astland
07/07/05 10:40 PM
68.22.153.138
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What is the highest battle value anyone has seen for IS or Clan using level 2 technology?
Is there anyone that doesn't love the Heavy Gauss Rifle 
Only surviving member of Clan n00b
---"what's in a name anyway"
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Wraith
07/08/05 12:35 AM
68.67.32.212
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I hate the Heavy Gauss. Would much rather use standard gauss rifles.
Lost all my custom designs last time I changed hard drives, will try to dig some up.
-Wraith
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astland
07/08/05 07:25 PM
68.22.153.138
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3 extra tons, 10 extra damage..... it'll go internal on any location for mechs under 50 tons (standard armor dispersal assumed)
~only~ downside I see is the number of criticals, but if your low on crits, what the heck are you even thinking gauss (standard or heavy)
Only surviving member of Clan n00b
---"what's in a name anyway"
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Kanil
07/09/05 12:14 AM
69.171.193.112
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I prefer the Light Gauss Rifle, and don't really like the other two...
Highest BV:2,671 (Not trying very hard here)
Lowest BV:-1,064 (Again, not trying very hard)
"The better news is that we are outnumbered, four to one."
- Clanners, and their whacked view of the world.
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astland
07/13/05 12:34 AM
69.208.87.86
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How about if I throw in the LBX-20 vs Ultra AC20 question?
Personally, I love the AC20, but I have this nack for rolling snake eyes when trying to use it.
To be on the safe side, I usually go with the LBX and carry both cluster and slug ammo.
Only surviving member of Clan n00b
---"what's in a name anyway"
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Kanil
07/15/05 07:05 PM
69.171.193.112
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I dislike both weapons, instead prefering the Ultra AC/5, (or Rotary AC/5, but) and the LBX-10.
But this is a conversation about battlevalue, quiaff?
Lowest BV: -1,086. ('Improved' since last posting.)
"The better news is that we are outnumbered, four to one."
- Clanners, and their whacked view of the world.
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astland
07/18/05 12:58 AM
69.208.87.86
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Actually, I was looking for the highest battle value. Using Drawing Board I can almost get to 3,000.
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LordChaos
07/19/05 10:50 AM
68.115.86.108
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Using Drawing Board, I can hit 3265 bv and just over 23 million cbills with clan tech.
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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LordChaos
07/20/05 10:02 PM
68.115.86.108
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While it's not as high as the 3.2K monster I mentioned ealier.. I've also managed to hit 3011 on 95 tons clan... and I'd HATE to fight against it...
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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Wraith
07/21/05 01:06 AM
24.255.140.173
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Just made a 100 ton Clan monster, 3712 BV. 5 ERPPCs, ECM Suite, 3/5(6)/3 movement, endo, Tcomp, 20 DHS, max armor.
-Wraith
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LordChaos
07/21/05 10:11 PM
68.115.86.108
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My 100 tonner was 3265.
Clan
3/5/3
19 double HS
XL engine
19 tons armor
2 Gauss Riffles
2 ER PPCs
1 Heavy Small Laser
4 tonns ammo
It's actualy playable!
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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Wraith
07/21/05 11:30 PM
24.255.140.173
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Exact heat efficiency is over-rated 
Drop 3 DHS, add endo, replace the HSL with an ERML, add a TComp, ups the BV to 3479. Overheating by 8 is not a big hinderance.
And my 5 ERPPC version is playable, it just has very redundant weapon systems  Get someone in PC, odds are good that you can take off their head or at least deal some major damage, who cares if you shut down LOL
-Wraith
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LordChaos
07/22/05 08:25 PM
68.115.86.108
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But I like standing in fire....:D
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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Wraith
07/22/05 08:42 PM
24.255.140.173
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50 tons, 7/11/7, 10 Flamers, 2 ER-ML, 16 DHS. That'll set you on fire
-Wraith
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Greyslayer
07/28/05 01:03 AM
216.14.198.54
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We mucked about with something similar to this a few years back... came to the conclusion that higher defensive bv was more important than offensive bv for higher bv.
We eventually went onto level 3 Tactical Handbook Stuff and ended up with this rediculous mech:
http://www.sarna.net/w3t/showthreaded.ph...=true#Post26769
much of that thread is hard to trace nowadays 
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Wraith
07/28/05 08:36 AM
24.255.140.173
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doesn't look like level 2 tech to me However, converting that design to level 2 and using standard Clan ECMs does still result in a ridiculous BV
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Untitled 'Mech
Tech: Clan / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: 3 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
45 ECM Suites
1 ER PPC
1 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Untitled 'Mech
Mass: 100 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 300 Fusion 6 19.00
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 112 pts Standard 0 7.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 14
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 21 11/11
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 17 12/12
L/R Leg: 21 15/15
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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10 ECM Suites RA 0 10 10.00
10 ECM Suites LA 0 10 10.00
9 ECM Suites RT 0 9 9.00
1 ER PPC RT 15 2 6.00
11 ECM Suites LT 0 11 11.00
1 ECM Suite CT 0 1 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser HD 5 1 1.00
2 ECM Suites LL 0 2 2.00
2 ECM Suites RL 0 2 2.00
3 Standard Jump Jets: 3 6.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 20 78 100.00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 26,740,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 4,604
Cost per BV: 5,807.99
Weapon Value: 1,019 / 1,019 (Ratio = .22 / .22)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 20; MRDmg = 15; LRDmg = 7
BattleForce2: MP: 3J, Armor/Structure: 3/8
Damage PB/M/L: 4/2/2, Overheat: 0
Class: MA; Point Value: 46
Specials: ecm
-Wraith
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Greyslayer
07/28/05 05:57 PM
216.14.198.54
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I did say we got onto level 3 stuff though, but the basic concept was covered in level 2 equipment before we refined it in level 3 equipment.
Generally it was believed to be illegal to mount more than 1 ECM on a mech, this though would be overriden if you were to say that you were using ECM and ECCM rules (thus he with the most ECMs win ).
I could just imagine a home-rule with something like, each ECM slaved into a main ECM adds +1 hex radius to ECM jamming range. 
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dramazing
10/26/05 02:46 PM
144.35.254.5
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Well I was able to construct a perfectly useable clan 100 tonner on drawing board that had a BV of a little over 3,600. It moved 3/5/3 and had 2erppc's and 2 gauss all linked to a targeting computer and only overheated by 1 when firing all weapons and jumping. I also got a 75 tonner to a little over 3,000 by using an erppc, 4mpl's, and a erml all linked to a targeting computer; move was 5/8/5. That mech I like!
That being said, high BV is only a good, not a great, indicator of a mechs potential for destruction. When designing a 100 tonner for my elite pilot to sit in, I eventually went with a modified Diaishi with a UAC/20 and 4 LPL's.
However, the importance of being able to do big damage at long range (the way BV is rated) goes down when you get up close and personal (yes, we mean you IS punks) an erppc isn't any better at 7 hexes than it is at 1, but medium laser sure is!
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WizWom
10/28/05 10:06 AM
24.12.102.2
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Hopgun
Tech: Clan / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Type/Model: Hopgun
Mass: 100 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Endo Steel 7 5.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 1 RT)
Engine: 300 XL Fusion 10 9.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 17 Double [34] 10 7.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt.: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 304 pts Standard 0 19.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 46
Center Torso (Rear): 15
L/R Side Torso: 21 32/32
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 17 34/34
L/R Leg: 21 41/41
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
1 ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
1 Gauss Rifle LA 1 8 7 13.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 Gauss Rifle LT 1 6 12.00
1 ER Small Laser CT 2 1 .50
1 Medium Pulse Laser HD 4 1 2.00
1 Targeting Computer RT 8 8.00
3 Standard Jump Jets: 3 6.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 38 78 100.00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 23,486,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 3,472
Cost per BV: 6,764.54
Weapon Value: 6,344 / 6,344 (Ratio = 1.83 / 1.83)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 58; MRDmg = 52; LRDmg = 36
BattleForce2: MP: 3J, Armor/Structure: 8/6
Damage PB/M/L: 8/7/5, Overheat: 1
Class: MA; Point Value: 35
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