XIBIOUS
11/03/05 02:31 AM
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I posted the below msg 2x in public mail and 2x in Neveron forums, they were deleted quickly. I now post here my orig post and the posts of replies ...
XIBIOUS
Recruit
Reged: 02/21/04
Posts: 44
Get Randy to Listen
#118624 - 11/02/05 08:31 PM (207.7.237.136) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
The following post was posted in public mail and deleted 2x by admins of Neveron, namely RANDY ...
http://mattbuck.sixwinter.com/?neveron-log-fwar2
As you read Randy says the numbers of logins is what he partially bases his success on, so aside from the current wars, or even with the warring parties here's a plan ... Just dont login.
Everyone can make a temp peace, if you dont like Randies changes do a PEACE RALLY this weekend, Only one person in each faction login every 6 hours, keep the page open for that 6 hours, then a new person logs in for the next shift.
Everyone aggrees to the PEACE RALLY, if someone hits anybody then they get GB'd by every mother lovin one of us come Monday.
So whos up for the 1ST NEVERON PEACE RALLY REVOLT !
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In addition here is his follow up msg to me in irc chat ...
< Randy > i guess you didn't get it after we deleted it twice that that post was not appropriate for pub mail
< Randy > if 0-ing your money doesn't get the point across let me know
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At the moment there is no alternative to nev, but I'd like you all to visit the link to the left about MECHWAR 3D.
They seem to have run into a snag with the game, seems they dont want to release a bug riddled game to the masses, please check it out ...
In addition to the above, Randy has thrown down the gaunlet just a day earlier, I post the log here ...
< Randy > wanna bet all your empires vs. 1000 DP that there will be more than "a handful of factions in a matter of months" ?
< XIBIOUS >sure wtf, im tired of your game
< Randy > ok how many months, and how many factions is a "handful" ?
< XIBIOUS >well 5 id guess
< Randy > 5 months or 5 factions?
< XIBIOUS >but ill prolly waste them before hand
< XIBIOUS > 5 months
< XIBIOUS > youll have half the factions
< Randy > ok, so you think less than 120 factions in 5 months
< XIBIOUS >u can count on my two
< Randy > ok why dont you announce the bet for them so we can't back out of it
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So April 1st would be my last day if I dont win the bet, but its looking like even money atm ...
Thanks for your time one and all, and if you're interested in making a point, then CF this weekend Nov 5th and 6th from Midnight Nov4th to Midnight Nov 6th, dont login, designate people on shifts and to have rats dealt with.
And Ive been made aware of add'l ways to help me win my bet with Randy, mmpog ... it's in the works as we speak, let your voice be heard ...
XIBIOUS
12th VEGAN RANGERS
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davion76
Major
Reged: 08/07/02
Posts: 1503
Loc: Ridgecrest CA, USA Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: XIBIOUS]
#118627 - 11/02/05 08:46 PM (138.163.0.43) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Oh man, thats AWESOME!!!! No RFDOW if there aren't any factions!!!! I might just have to disband my faction. I'm gonna go talk to the SoL guys.... We might just become a shadow faction.
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wixer
Sergeant
Reged: 09/13/05
Posts: 103
Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: davion76]
#118628 - 11/02/05 08:57 PM (128.210.50.167) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Im up for it.
Cant believe what I read in this link of yours. Its scary. I guess the appropriate term is Hybris.
Guess I have to teach somebody some statistics and that sometimes not one action causes a reaction but maybe another action.
How can he be so sure that FDOW invention increases DP? Maybe it was something totally different? Maybe the FFA or anything? Maybe it was even me advertising NEV like crazy?
If he really believes FDOW and DP is linked he will never back up from implementing the FFDOW.
Its sad but at least I will try to change something and JOIN THE PEACE RALLY
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Whalefsh
Captain
Reged: 01/31/03
Posts: 967
Loc: Dundee, Scotland Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: wixer]
#118629 - 11/02/05 09:00 PM (82.41.118.28) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Will have to read it tomorrow. Keeps timing out.
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Skycarp
Newbie
Reged: 06/24/03
Posts: 10
Loc: Minnesota/USA Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: Whalefsh]
#118630 - 11/02/05 09:04 PM (71.10.103.122) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Sounds Great....I'm in
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davion76
Major
Reged: 08/07/02
Posts: 1503
Loc: Ridgecrest CA, USA Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: XIBIOUS]
#118631 - 11/02/05 09:05 PM (138.163.0.44) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
After reading that discusion I REALLY have to respond.
Randy> Player Logins (past 24 hours): 4066
numbers like that, apart from the past few weeks, we haven't seen in over a year
I think the reason this has been so high is that people are scared to death they are going to get into a RFDOW. This number will likely go back down in a few days/weeks.
Unfortunately, your site went down before I could grab the other quote, but it asked why donations were up in October.
I think it was because you said that nev was in danger of going under. I donated $100 b/c of that and sci lvl 2 being implemented. I assume other people rose to the occasion of saving nev like me.
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superjuke
Sergeant Major
Reged: 09/15/02
Posts: 251
Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: XIBIOUS]
#118634 - 11/02/05 09:39 PM (195.238.39.246) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Two observations:
Randy: "old players leaving and not donating is having ZERO effect on our bottom line"
WTF... Randy basically admits here that he doesn't give a rats ass about community. Its all about, that's right, THE BOTTOM LINE. Well, how in the HELL does he expect to improve his bottom line if he doesn't give a rats ass (just as we suspected) about the players.
And the second observation... it is utterly ludicrous to measure the popularity of a change on the week's login count. My goodness, what kind of nonsense is that. Measure login trends by the months or quarters perhaps. But to say "Last week we had 4000 connections, people love the changes!" is just dumb.
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superjuke
Sergeant Major
Reged: 09/15/02
Posts: 251
Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: superjuke]
#118635 - 11/02/05 09:50 PM (195.238.39.246) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
I've just re-read that log a few times and I must say it is sad to see absolute proof that Randy is only out for the money. That phrase has been used as an insult, and an accusation, plenty of times. But there has always been this background notion that Randy and Wayward value their playerbase, and appreciate the community that has sprung up around their game. This has now been proven to be a complete fabrication.
It can't be put any more simply than this:
Randy does not care about Neveron's community. He only cares about the money. Period.
I know Neveron is a business, and that a business must make a profit. But that is an extremely cutthroat and unnecessary standpoint to take, especially in the games industry. Randy is a two bit shuckster out to make a buck, and he just said it himself.
I am sorry I have contributed to his overinflated ego and been hoodwinked into believing I was helping finance something special. I wasn't helping finance shit that was special. I was simply paying for part of a ski trip.
The community is special, but it is completely external of Randy and Neveron the company.
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Tigera
Corporal
Reged: 10/19/04
Posts: 88
Loc: Pacific Northwest Re: Get Randy to Listen [Re: superjuke]
#118637 - 11/02/05 10:27 PM (137.118.1.16) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
I am one player and I log-in over 9 times a day .( three empires , three times a day) Forget log-ins , how many new players do you have ?
FFDoW has been in effect for two whole days , how does that account for the numbers Randy quotes for the last month ? It has no bearing .
Edited by XIBIOUS (11/03/05 03:48 AM)
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Karagin
11/03/05 06:45 AM
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Okay shouldn't this be down in the Neveron section?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
11/03/05 08:43 AM
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There's Neveron forums further down this website for this sort of thing.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Auren_Shiro
11/03/05 09:23 AM
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Perhaps if you read the little foot note in the beginning, you'd understand.
He's already done this twice, but Randy went and nuked those posts.
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Pimpslap
11/03/05 12:08 PM
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The admin at neveron are deleteing all post that people are putting up, that dont agreee with teh new changes, so we have posted in this forum in hopes that it wont be allowed to be deleted here.
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davion76
11/03/05 01:37 PM
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Yes, but Randy/WWS are deleting posts they don't like - so we are trying here. Maybe they don't have admin access to this forum.
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coldwave
11/03/05 01:41 PM
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Well, I read through the transcript of the discussion, if you can call it such, between ArchAngel and Randy. It pretty much confirmed what I suspected about a year ago when I stopped playing Neveron in the first place. Although supposedly a free game, at that point, it was already reaching a stage where those who didn't donate were at a horrible disadvantage and unable to keep up. Now, it's blatantly obvious that Randy's sole goal is to turn this game into an unofficially pay-to-play game. Sorry, but I've got better things to spend my hard earned cash on, especially not something this unbalanced.
Good luck, but it's his game, and he'll see it crash and burn as he sees fit. He is obviously quite willing to turn his back on the elder's; those whom have stood by him time and again. To be frank, I'm not going to support someone that dishonest and unloyal. It's just not fun anymore, and hasn't been for some time. You're better off walking away now before you get anything more invested in it, be it emotionally or financially. With that in mind, go download MegaMek! :-)
- coldwave
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Cray
11/03/05 03:12 PM
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The admin at neveron are deleteing all post that people are putting up, that dont agreee with teh new changes, so we have posted in this forum in hopes that it wont be allowed to be deleted here.
Just to clarify, do you refer to the forums somewhat further down this forum index, like:
http://www.sarna.net/w3t/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/neveronnews
Or at some website other than Sarna.net?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Pimpslap
11/03/05 03:16 PM
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On the Neveron General Discussion board, post are being deleted that are from people expressing how much they dont like current changes, and are speaking out against them.
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mattbuck
11/03/05 03:47 PM
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Cray, if we had a choice we wouldn't post this here. But we want our opinions heard, not deleted.
I supported every major change Randy has made for the past year. Last month, I realised that every change was just hurting the game. I posted as such. I've been a loyal supporter and donator, maybe the fact that people like me are saying enough is enough should tell him that maybe he's going about this the wrong way... But no.
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Cray
11/03/05 04:21 PM
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Cray, if we had a choice we wouldn't post this here. But we want our opinions heard, not deleted.
I was just making sure this wasn't spilling over from another website. If the deletions are occurring on Sarna.net and you need to move here, I have no issues.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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tbird89
11/03/05 09:17 PM
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FIGHT the power! a few days ago i posted that i was unsure of who to support in this issue, randy or the "oldgaurd" as randy called them, but now it's been made blatantly obvious to me by the bannings and deletions occuring. and yeah, i don't think i'll be DPing anymore
why? becuase. jesus told me to. and you wanna know something else that jesus told me? he said that everytime it rains, it's becuase god is crying over something u did. because god hates you.
so does superman
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Egwene
11/03/05 09:26 PM
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Thank you Cray for giving the Neveron players a place to post that won't be deleted becuz they are wanting to be heard. But it seems as if now, if being heard disagrees with the admins thoughts, BOOM delete post. Really sad 
I've been a part of Neveron for over 3 yrs now, and have not always agreed with some of the changes but have never spoken negative about them to anyone but Randy. But his own actions over the last week have been just down right ABOMIDABLE! but he does not care he is driving away some of the BIGGEST players of the game and one of his LARGEST donating alliance.
Sucks to be him when he has to close down teh game in a few months
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
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mattbuck
11/03/05 09:27 PM
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Anyone who wishes to talk on IRC without fear of being banned is welcome in #kbed_by_randy_club
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Karagin
11/03/05 09:28 PM
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Okay...wasn't sure what all was going on.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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XIBIOUS
11/03/05 10:35 PM
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But his own actions over the last week have been just down right ABOMIDABLE! but he does not care he is driving away some of the BIGGEST players of the game and one of his LARGEST donating alliance.
Sucks to be him when he has to close down teh game in a few months
If you read the logs at mattbucks site, posted in the orig post here, you'll see that he dont care about the older players, many of them have empires large enough to buy DP for 50mil a crack vs his 10mil each. This black market if you will, disrupts his cash flow. Thats why he limited incomes on empires. It was a compromise I'm sure from what he really wanted to do.
If Randy gets rid of all the older players, he can mold the new players into what ever he wants, they wont know the difference. For him to get rid of the naysayers, and the older and larger empires is what he's looking for ... with them gone, its a Brave New Nev ...(from HELL)
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Karagin
11/03/05 11:47 PM
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You know this sounds really familar...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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mattbuck
11/04/05 06:56 AM
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How so?
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Cray
11/04/05 08:04 AM
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Thank you Cray for giving the Neveron players a place to post that won't be deleted
I'm just another poster. I don't have any way to prevent you from posting here other than dirty looks. 
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
11/04/05 08:07 AM
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How so?
Karagin is of the opinion that similar changes are occurring in Battletech with the Jihad.
I don't think I agree, though. The Jihad has won over old and new players alike, and the first Jihad product did pretty well. If the Jihad storyline pisses off some players...well, any change to a fictional universe will piss off somebody. I'm still unhappy about the Clans and War of 3039.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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tbird89
11/04/05 12:11 PM
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AAAH! BTECH!!! i've almost stopped playing thanks to nev. and the jihad. stupid wobbies. Comstar is supposed to win, not them
why? becuase. jesus told me to. and you wanna know something else that jesus told me? he said that everytime it rains, it's becuase god is crying over something u did. because god hates you.
so does superman
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Cray
11/04/05 02:15 PM
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stupid wobbies. Comstar is supposed to win, not them
Good God, why would you want Comstar to win? WoB is what Comstar was until 3052.
I'd want'em both dead.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Toontje
11/04/05 08:01 PM
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Comstar is entropic. Every change made them bigger. Good thing hand of god interfered and put new energy in, as well as removing S.
I stay by what I said: I won't quit nev over rfdow, but like it, big no.
Rather to blow up, then.
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XIBIOUS
11/04/05 09:11 PM
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I am really sorry to invade you guys's area of Battletech, but we would like to keep to the topic in the original post.
Please keep posts relevent to the NEVERON topic. We have to post here due to the admins deleting our posts from fear we might actually be right in our fight.
Thank you so much for understanding, and there has been several comments on how you guys treat the world of BT, we are all jealous of what you have in your game, and we wish it for ours ...There are many players of Nev that play CBT and are true BTU fans, we only hope that people comming here will gain from our and your experiences ...
XIBIOUS
12th VEGAN RANGERS
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Karagin
11/04/05 10:19 PM
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I would love to see where you or TPTB get these numbers from...but then again it doesn't matter since nothing stated by the fans is going to change anything in BT to prevent it from reaching the MWDA setting...so really it doesn't matter any more.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
11/04/05 10:21 PM
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Right okay...WoB fantics that go from small group UBERMESH in 20 years...right okay... 
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
11/04/05 10:22 PM
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Sounds good. We can help if we can.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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wixer
11/04/05 10:34 PM
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Just got the following in my faction mail.
The word spreads. You other guys can just copy paste it into your factions?
Mails to friendly empires can also be sent and so on. Come on get up spread the word.
and now one more change....with the recent changes Randy has imposed on neveron, im asking we all join in the general neveron CEASE FIRE this weekend. Most alliances are boycotting Donating, fighting and even logging in. Randy has been censering nevmail and even the forums, deleting pots, fining empires so they cannot afford to post.
so far the following alliances have agreed to this HoC,HP,NC,12th,DEST,GP,HAZY,Legion,SoL,WoB,GEN and now LC. If someone in this group starts fighting all the rest will destroy them utterly...or something along those lines. A few more groups will probably join in on this protest.If someone makes mistake and does make an attack there will be nothing i can do to save you, and you may bring destruction down upon us all. Please lets try to follow this CF. Im sorry if it interfers with plans made and such, but with current changes being implimented many many people will be leaving neveron.
as i write this you can add UDC,AMI and R-7 to the above list.
come to chat or check the entire sarna forums for more info. as randy cannot delete the regular BT sections only neveron parts.mp00
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XIBIOUS
11/04/05 10:51 PM
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UDC is in a battle with a non conforming faction, FWLM. their actions will be excused because FWLM would get to strong of a foothold if they attacked without defenders.
The people within those factions that wish a voice to be heard will comply, what is needed is to issue the threat of all out war to those that would attack us that are sleeping ...
All the alliance's have read this rule to the cf and the above mentioned have agreed, now we need to get this information out to the masses. Randy is still deleting posts in pub mail that refer to this event ... X
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Karagin
11/04/05 11:01 PM
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Silly question has anyone talked to Nic about all of this?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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