Victor_Creed
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Reged: 02/04/06
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New duel system so people can play more everyday!
#124978 - 02/04/06 01:14 PM (67.183.231.240)
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Basically, for smaller empires the ability to just login and play on a regular daily basis is limited. Eventually you lose in arena duels 2 times for all your mechs or fighting assets, and as a smaller empire it is not easy to replace mechs simply so you can duel them. Once you hit the state where all your mechs are red lined for dueling, Nev becomes alot less fun.
What I am suggesting is a new dueling system, which focuses on allowing players to have fun on a daily basis. The new system would basically be one where the player sets a specific BV level (and whther its vehicle or Mech), sets terrain settings, and places a Bet.
Now this arena is posted up awaiting another person to attack it. To attack the arena, the opponent simply matches the bet. Next Neveron will randomly assign each player a mech or vehicle provided by the NGC within thv selected BV range(similar to FFA) to duel with. Winner of the match wins the money bet.
The units Nev provides would be 1 time use only. There would be no added NGC bonus bet as the dueling empires are not risking personal assets, and even as much as 25 percent of the pool the players bet could paid to the NGC as a hosting fee. In this manner a 100 million bet per player for example, would net the winner 150 million, while Nev took 50 million as a handlers fee.
These new duels would allow players a way to practice and play neveron on a daily basis without risking loss to thier empires, all winnings earned would provide a continual money drain in Neveron, but it would still reward the winner.
This idea would use mostly existing code, combining aspects of the current arena and the FFA unit assignment functions, and you could even prevent outside betting, to further protect this new system from abuse and exploiting.
What do you think?
Neveron is a great game, larger empires can afford to replace units to duel on a daily basis, this new duel system would allow everyone to play daily.
Sincerely,
Victor Creed
PS:
Since the units provided would be NGC units, these new arenas could also be MOD free (no Empire would be risking its own assets so mods need not apply), so all empires would be on equal footing, for well... the first time ever I think.
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Wayward_Son
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Re: New duel system so people can play more everyday!
[Re: Victor_Creed]
#124982 - 02/04/06 05:02 PM (24.117.200.100)
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Creed, not that I don't appreciate the idea, but weren't you arguing for the old system back in which you would right now be mechless and complaining about how replacing mechs was too expensive and you can't duel beacuse you can't afford to replace your losses or repair your extremely damaged mechs?
WS
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Victor_Creed
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Reged: 02/04/06
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Re: New duel system so people can play more everyday!
[Re: Wayward_Son]
#124984 - 02/04/06 05:43 PM (67.183.231.240)
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WW, you took that argument the wrong way. Allow me to explain please.
It is not a matter of how much I earn per duel, it is not a matter of whether my mechs die each time or they get a few strikes. The sole driving force behind my arguments for or against various systems is that I get to play as much as I can, and by play I mean actually do something beyond simple empire management.
The above system is another suggestion to allow the Neveron players a means to actually hands on fight battles on a daily basis. The system above will allow level 2's to bet 100k for a 150k payout once someone takes the duel (mean while the system could take its 25% cut of 50k). That level 2 could fight pretty much anyone else in nev, and have fun using mechs or vehicles without worry that a few losses in a row will cripple thier empires.
Leave in the FFA and the current duel systems, so that larger empires can choose to risk large sums of money or actual empire assets for greater gains. The system I propose is simply so that players can actually play and enjoy thegame on a regular and daily basis.
Now onto the "argument" you cited. You did not understand my point, which is obvious from your reply. I did say things were better under the older duel system at the TIME it existed. You need to understand that 3 years ago it was not just damaged or dead units after 1 duel, it was balanced against the fact I could replace that Imp for 110 million 3 years ago as well. So compare dueling that imp 3 times and losing 3 times in a row to the system and replacement costs back then to the prices which exist now.
Today, each mech gets 3 arena strikes, so the Imp which costs 1.2 billion now means it would cost me 400 mil per arena fight (average numbers for easier review).
3+ years ago, imps were 110 mil to 120 mil on the market, so thats about 60% cheaper per duel in terms of cost to the empire, with 3 fights with losses end up costing me only 330 to 360 million rather then replacing that IMp 1 time at now a days cost of over a billion.
So thats why I said things 3 years ago, let me play more OFTEN, then I can play now a days. a level 7 empire having the same pop as one does now, is still surviving on the same nev dollars per day.
But inflation has been hell on the mech market, pushing the cost of mechs nearly out of reach for smaller empires, certainly I cannot replace an Imp.... or even if we go to a way cheaper unit like an Atlas or a KGC, its still hard to reach because Empire income has not increased at the rate which mech market costs have shot up.
Now I hope thats been clarified, the old system was no where near optimal, the new system is better, but the cost to replace mechs is a hell of alot more then it was 3 years ago, so as a player my Access to sit down and play every day has not increased so much.
I think you simply misunderstood my intent, inchat during the discussion your citing as for the most part you just appeared to have thought my gripe was about the ability to make money, when that is the farthest thing from my mind.
I just want to sit down and play Neveron on a daily basis..... piloting and fighting mechs is what battletech is mostly about, atleast for me, and heck it is the only reason I play Neveron now.... to sit down and enjoy fighting battles, preferably mech vs mech.
I would hope you and Randy can see that the goal of most people is to play the game... this suggestion is based around just that Wayward..... give us players the means to enjoy and play as much as we would like to.
under the proposed system if I had 25 mil I could afford to spend I could do 1 duel for 25 mil, or enjoy 25 duels at 1 mil, or heck even 100 battles at 250k each... No matter how much I won or lost, Nev would still be removing 25% of the funds bet out of the monetary market of neveron, creating a decent money sink, meanwhile the winner still profited.
I hope the Admin atleast seriously consider such a system which allows players to play, more easily and more often.
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Xia
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Re: New duel system so people can play more everyday!
[Re: Victor_Creed]
#125053 - 02/05/06 08:58 PM (67.9.125.113)
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Amen Brother. Support it. 
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I find that violence is a perfectly viable solution to most problems....
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The_Doctor
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Reged: 02/06/06
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Re: New duel system so people can play more everyday!
[Re: Xia]
#125117 - 02/07/06 12:43 AM (68.181.220.84)
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Don't be a tool WW!
I think creed has a point. In the system he's refering too, if I dueled an AWS-8Q and WON, I could buy a NEW 8Q, so that as long as I was a better-than-50% dueler, I could at least break even. Today, its nearly impossible to duel mechs and make back even 1/3 their market cost...
Why not make 1v1 arenas similar to the FFA system....the BV for each battle would be essentially random, but each unit in the battle would have the same BV? Hmmm.....maybe even give each player a choice of 2 units at that BV, so you don't get stuck with an 8/8 banshee very often.
Limit the payout to like +95% of whatever you entered for... so if you enter for 100k, you get paid 195k; and limit the max entrance fee to something relatively small so that you can't turn it into a giant cash cow. Maybe a 10m max entrance fee.
Then, to actually PROMOTE playing in these arenas by the big guys, give a *reasonable* reward to the top 10 dueling empires in this category. maybe some TP, or some morale, or you could even invent arena points, usable on a variety of items! whatever, the point would be that everyone could get in and play, everyone would be on even terms as far as unit (noone would have an elite stable of boxer mechs) and noone could turn it into a giant money-making scheme.
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Victor_Creed
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Reged: 02/04/06
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Re: New duel system so people can play more everyday!
[Re: The_Doctor]
#125120 - 02/07/06 01:13 AM (67.183.231.240)
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I appreciate the votes of support... I just want a way to play Nev everyday!
Right now I can only play everyday because of Chets Good graces.
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