Newtype
04/07/09 02:05 PM
207.160.205.13
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Above laser in previous message is a pulse laser for 12 heat, 50 extreme range.
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Newtype
04/21/09 11:44 AM
207.160.205.13
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Here's the BV formula for my updated Balancer LAM.
DEFENSIVE BATTLE RATING CALCULATION:
Total Armor Factor x 2: 13 x 2 = 26
Total Internal Structure Points is 51 now x 0.375 / 2 = 9.5625
Defensive Weapons: Heat:
0.28 tons of fuel 0.52
1 Other control area 0 25
Total BV of all Defensive Equipment 86.0825
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86.0825
Hinderances of Balancer LAM
Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 74.155 * 0.5 = 26.0825
Heat Sink Capacity dissipates all of 'Mech's internal heat.
At a full jet booster jumpglide of 45 with dual control area and skilled evading, Movement Modifier probably is + 2.4.
Add +5 to Movement Modifier (.5 to Factor) for Null Signaturen = +29
Multiply by Defensive Movement Factor of 2.9 is * 26.0825* 2.7 = 75.63925
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DEFENSIVE BATTLE RATING = 75.63925
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OFFENSIVE BATTLE RATING CALCULATION:
'Mech's Tonnage BV 30
Offensive Weapons: Heat:
1 pulse laser at 1 damage point 50 hex range with gunnery 0: 62.5 BV
Base Weapon Battle Rating 62.5 and 12 Max Heat Points of 12
Adjust Base Weapon Battle Rating for 'Mech's Heat Efficiency
X = (Total Heat Sinks x Base Weapon Battle Rating) / Max Heat Points
(1 x 62.5) / 12 ~= 5.20834
Y = (Base Weapon Battle Rating - X) / 2 is (62.5 - 5.20834) / 2 ~= 28.64583
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Modified Weapon Battle Rating = X + Y ~= 33.85417
Calculate Speed Factor
Add Running MP + Jumpgliding MP (in AirMech Mode) 12 + 45 = 57
Speed Factor (based on table or calculation) = 8.93
Offensive Battle Rating = Modified Battle Rating x Speed Factor
33.854167 x 8.93 ~=
OFFENSIVE BATTLE RATING = 302.31771
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Total BV for 'Mech = Defensive BV + Offensive BV: 75.63925 + 302.31771 ~= 377.957
TOTAL BATTLE VALUE FOR 'MECH ~= 378
Edited by Newtype (04/21/09 11:52 AM)
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GiovanniBlasini
04/22/09 05:39 AM
64.183.4.46
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Wow, this thing breaks so many rules, I'm not even sure where to start. But, I might as well start with the whole "no gyro" thing you just mentioned. You realize that, since a LAM is a 'Mech, your Balancer is completely rendered incapable of moving at all, right?
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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Lefric
04/22/09 09:34 AM
216.120.184.66
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Wow, this thing breaks so many rules, I'm not even sure where to start. But, I might as well start with the whole "no gyro" thing you just mentioned. You realize that, since a LAM is a 'Mech, your Balancer is completely rendered incapable of moving at all, right?
Please! Don't spoil his fantasy world. Reality makes his head hurt.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/22/09 06:44 PM
24.5.141.133
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Wow, this thing breaks so many rules, I'm not even sure where to start. But, I might as well start with the whole "no gyro" thing you just mentioned. You realize that, since a LAM is a 'Mech, your Balancer is completely rendered incapable of moving at all, right?
Please! Don't spoil his fantasy world. Reality makes his head hurt.
Wait a minute, since when did newtype have something in his head to cause his head to hurt?
Oh wait, its the out side air pressure that is trying to take up the void that is in his head that is causing his head to hurt.
I stand corrected.
Come on, even us smart as... I mean donkeys can be wrong every once in a great while
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
Edited by His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey (04/22/09 06:50 PM)
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Fang
04/23/09 09:00 AM
12.54.128.7
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And why is this still a topic of discussion?
One by one, the rabbits are stealing my sanity.....
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/23/09 10:51 AM
205.202.120.216
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And why is this still a topic of discussion?
Hell if I know.
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GiovanniBlasini
04/23/09 03:05 PM
64.183.4.46
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And why is this still a topic of discussion?
Active thread, plus referenced ad nauseum in another active thread.
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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Newtype
04/23/09 08:31 PM
207.160.205.13
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Here's a theorized estimated components list and BV formula for my newest updated Balancer LAM:
3 small dual cockpit (conventional vehicle one extra crew member style)
3 composite structure for 20 thrust
3 aeroequipment
1.5 conversion equipment
9.5 fusion 300 XL engine
0.03 Null Signature System
6.0 two pairs of jet boosters
5 ten jump jets
2.3125 laser with single heat sink & 1 point of standard armor (hand held), emits 12 heat, extreme range of 50, 1 damage point
0.75 armor (12 locations including backpack)
0.52 fuel pump & 30 points of fuel
30.9259 tonnage total of above
DEFENSIVE BATTLE RATING CALCULATION:
Total Armor Factor x 2: 13 x 2 = 26
Total Internal Structure Points is 51 now x 0.375 / 2 = 9.5625
Defensive Weapons: Heat:
0.28 tons of fuel 0.52
1 Other control area 0 25
Total BV of all Defensive Equipment 86.0825
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86.0825
Hinderances of Balancer LAM
Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
Heat Sink Capacity dissipates all of 'Mech's internal heat.
At a full jet booster jumpglide of 45 with dual control area and special ability skilled evading of +12, Movement Modifier is +7 + +1 + +12 = 21.
Add +5 to Movement Modifier (.5 to Factor) for Null Signaturen = +36
Multiply by Defensive Movement Factor of 3.6 is * 26.0825* 3.6 = 93.897
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DEFENSIVE BATTLE RATING = 93.897
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OFFENSIVE BATTLE RATING CALCULATION:
'Mech's Tonnage BV at piloting 1: 36
Offensive Weapons: Heat:
1 pulse laser at 1 damage point 50 hex range with gunnery 0: 62.5 BV
Base Weapon Battle Rating 62.5 and 12 Max Heat Points of 12
Adjust Base Weapon Battle Rating for 'Mech's Heat Efficiency
X = (Total Heat Sinks x Base Weapon Battle Rating) / Max Heat Points
(1 x 62.5) / 12 ~= 5.20834
Y = (Base Weapon Battle Rating - X) / 2 is (62.5 - 5.20834) / 2 ~= 28.64583
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Modified Weapon Battle Rating = X + Y ~= 33.85417
Calculate Speed Factor
Add Running MP + Jumpgliding MP (in AirMech Mode) 12 + 60 = 72
Speed Factor (based on table or calculation) ~= 10.73
Offensive Battle Rating = Modified Battle Rating x Speed Factor
(36+33.854167) x 10.73 ~= 749.5352
OFFENSIVE BATTLE RATING = 749.5352
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Total BV for 'Mech = Defensive BV + Offensive BV: 93.897 + 749.5352 ~= 843.4322119
TOTAL BATTLE VALUE FOR 'MECH ~= 844
Edited by Newtype (04/23/09 08:36 PM)
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Zandel_Corrin
04/23/09 10:27 PM
123.2.140.247
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
Your BV no longer matters as you are nothing more then a turret that has fallen over..... unless you never move that is and then your total to hit mod is -4 for stationary target + and random terrain and possibly your random cloaking thingy....
Either way your great and all powerful 'Balancer'!!! LAM is aptly named because that's all it will ever do... balance... in one spot.... and be ignored.... or destroyed by bored infantry.
In conclusion your whole design FAILS!!!!
(You have to have a gyro on all mechs (including LAMS).
There I have 'Put Up' so now YOU can 'Shut Up'............. or down as the case will be when you realise your piloting something that cannot move.
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/23/09 11:53 PM
205.202.120.216
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Either way your great and all powerful 'Balancer'!!! LAM is aptly named because that's all it will ever do... balance... in one spot.... and be ignored.... or destroyed by bored infantry.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/24/09 01:37 PM
24.5.141.133
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There I have 'Put Up' so now YOU can 'Shut Up'............. or down as the case will be when you realise your piloting something that cannot move.
That would be the day! To bad he can not shut up.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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GiovanniBlasini
04/25/09 05:46 AM
64.183.4.46
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Here's a theorized estimated components list and BV formula for my newest updated Balancer LAM:
3 small dual cockpit (conventional vehicle one extra crew member style)
Not legal under current construction rules.
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3 composite structure for 20 thrust
Internal structure doesn't determine thrust.
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3 aeroequipment
Could you explain what this is supposed to be?
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1.5 conversion equipment
Also illegal, as 1.5 tons of conversion equipment would only work on a 15 ton LAM, which this is not.
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9.5 fusion 300 XL engine
First legal thing on your LAM thus far.
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0.03 Null Signature System
Null Signature Systems take up no mass, only critical slot locations, and adds 10 heat when in use.
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6.0 two pairs of jet boosters
Jet boosters are not permitted on LAMs, as they are not permitted on BattleMechs. Superchargers are permitted on BattleMechs. Further, you don't get two, just one.
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5 ten jump jets
Also legal. We're up to two things so far.
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2.3125 laser with single heat sink & 1 point of standard armor (hand held), emits 12 heat, extreme range of 50, 1 damage point
Nope. Nonexistent house rule, and unbalanced at that. Not legal.
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0.75 armor (12 locations including backpack)
What backpack?
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0.52 fuel pump & 30 points of fuel
Under the last published set of rules, you can't add fuel to a LAM.
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30.9259 tonnage total of above
Not a legal 'Mech, ASF or LAM tonnage, either, which must be in increments of 5 tons.
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
Balancer LAM lacks a gyro and, therefore, under Battletech rules, would amount to a statue. It would be completely incapable of movement.
Thus, completely illegal, utterly useless. I'd recommend starting over, and actually conforming to the game's construction rules.
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/25/09 05:18 PM
24.5.141.133
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I'd recommend starting over, and actually conforming to the game's construction rules.
Why would he do that? He could not cheat. As long as he can cheat he might have a chance at wining.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Christopher_Perkins
04/26/09 12:51 AM
24.127.68.31
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Here's a theorized estimated components list and BV formula for my newest updated Balancer LAM:
3 small dual cockpit (conventional vehicle one extra crew member style)
Not legal under current construction rules.
True... Limit to either Command Console OR Double Cockpit, not both, not Multiples
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3 composite structure for 20 thrust
Internal structure doesn't determine thrust.
True
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3 aeroequipment
Could you explain what this is supposed to be?
not sure either
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1.5 conversion equipment
Also illegal, as 1.5 tons of conversion equipment would only work on a 15 ton LAM, which this is not.
humm... 3 + 1.5 Tons would allow for a 45 tonner... Whats the mass of the LAM?
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0.75 armor (12 locations including backpack)
What backpack?
yup... no idea
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0.52 fuel pump & 30 points of fuel
Under the last published set of rules, you can't add fuel to a LAM.
needs a change
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
Balancer LAM lacks a gyro and, therefore, under Battletech rules, would amount to a statue. It would be completely incapable of movement.
Is this supposed to be a LAM or is it supposed to be a VTOL?
if a VTOL, no gyro...
Yeah Found the thread....
Christopher Robin Perkins
It is my opinion that all statements should be questioned, digested, disected, tasted, and then either spit out or adopted... RHIP is not a god given shield
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/26/09 02:37 PM
24.5.141.133
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
Balancer LAM lacks a gyro and, therefore, under Battletech rules, would amount to a statue. It would be completely incapable of movement.
Is this supposed to be a LAM or is it supposed to be a VTOL?
if a VTOL, no gyro...
Yeah Found the thread....
The question is not if he is making a mech or a VTOL. The question is will he ever find a brain, if he does then will he ever use it?
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Fang
04/27/09 08:45 AM
12.54.128.7
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It was originally designed to be a custom LAM using the creators house rules or some such.
One by one, the rabbits are stealing my sanity.....
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Newtype
04/27/09 12:09 PM
207.160.205.13
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Here's a theorized estimated components list and BV formula for my newest updated Balancer LAM:
3 small dual cockpit (conventional vehicle one extra crew member style)
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Not legal under current construction rules.
I used both qualities of small cockpit and dual cockpit to create small dual cockpit. Think Tank Life Path enabled me to design such a cockpit.
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3 composite structure for 20 thrust
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Internal structure doesn't determine thrust.
True. I decided that the thrust determined how much internal structure was needed like a spacecraft.
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3 aeroequipment
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Could you explain what this is supposed to be?
It's basically the conversion equipment structure that makes up the Balancer's aerofighter/AirMech wings & other structural parts.
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1.5 conversion equipment
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Also illegal, as 1.5 tons of conversion equipment would only work on a 15 ton LAM, which this is not.
That's why there's three tons of aeroequipment structure.
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9.5 fusion 300 XL engine
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First legal thing on your LAM thus far.
Actually that's supposed to be a 6.3333 ton fusion 300 XXL engine
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0.03 Null Signature System
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Null Signature Systems take up no mass, only critical slot locations, and adds 10 heat when in use.
I use a formula in which Null Signature System masses an amount equal to 1% of unit's tonnage.
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6.0 two pairs of jet boosters
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Jet boosters are not permitted on LAMs, as they are not permitted on BattleMechs. Superchargers are permitted on BattleMechs. Further, you don't get two, just one.
In theory jet boosters could be used on an AirMech (they're used on VTOLs and AirMechs use VTOL movement rules). In theory multiple pairs of jet boosters could be on 'Mechs and VTOLs (they're powered like weapons).
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2.3125 laser with single heat sink & 1 point of standard armor (hand held), emits 12 heat, extreme range of 50, 1 damage point
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Nope. Nonexistent house rule, and unbalanced at that. Not legal.
The other 11 single heat sinks were stolen from Balancer. Not unbalanced, BV can be calculated for such a weapon.
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0.75 armor (12 locations including backpack)
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What backpack?
Backpack attached to center rear torso location. Think Tank life path enabled me to create a 'Mech sized backpack made out of armor.
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0.52 fuel pump & 30 points of fuel
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Under the last published set of rules, you can't add fuel to a LAM.
Tactical Handbook makes no reference to prohibitions on adding fuel to a LAM; that book merely says that a LAM merely "starts with 30 points of fuel". Also fuel tonnage along with fuel pump is supposed to be 0.5167 tons
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30.9259 tonnage total of above
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Not a legal 'Mech, ASF or LAM tonnage, either, which must be in increments of 5 tons.
Actually tonnage seems to be recalculated at 31.35 tons Hand held weapon is carried like cargo. If necessary arm locations can carry cargo.
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro and, therefore, under Battletech rules, would amount to a statue. It would be completely incapable of movement.
Symmetrically tonnaged Balancer LAM doesn't have to have a gyro; its sensors and actuators maintain physical balancing.
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Thus, completely illegal, utterly useless. I'd recommend starting over, and actually conforming to the game's construction rules.
Think Tank life path provides improvising to unit construction rules (not illegal) and not useless. Balancer LAM can defeat many Clan 'Mechs. I suppose you could use a Think Tank life path event to design a much greater ranged artillery system, i.e., Super Thumper, to defeat my Balancer. A 50 hex range multiplied by 5 damage points divided by 2 is about 125 BV. By the way, artillery systems are frowned on by Clanners (artillery systems violate Clan honor).
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Whats the mass of the LAM?
Mass of Balancer is 30 tons.
Edited by Newtype (04/27/09 12:55 PM)
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MaiShirunaiispretty
04/28/09 06:52 PM
207.160.205.13
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Newtype, how would your Balancer fair up against Clan ELRMs?
http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/154743/Main/154743/#Post154743
Wow, those bracing maneuvers sure do come in handy when firing proximity fused precision cluster flak ammo at a Balancer LAM. Unfortunately they make my 'Mech an immobile target for that LAM. Oh well, at least I'm getting partial cover.
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Newtype
04/28/09 06:54 PM
207.160.205.13
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My Balancer LAM could very well be defeated, MaiShirunaiispretty.
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MaiShirunaiispretty
04/28/09 07:02 PM
207.160.205.13
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And defeated due to a Clan or Inner Sphere Think Tank designing LB-XAC weapons that have Clan ELRM ranges and firing proximity fused precision cluster flak ammo.
Wow, those bracing maneuvers sure do come in handy when firing proximity fused precision cluster flak ammo at a Balancer LAM. Unfortunately they make my 'Mech an immobile target for that LAM. Oh well, at least I'm getting partial cover.
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Newtype
04/28/09 07:06 PM
207.160.205.13
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Good thing I found an easy way for the Rim Collection to defeat the Clans.
http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/152387/an/0/page/0#152387
I suppose I could trade with Inner Sphere Houses.
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GiovanniBlasini
04/28/09 11:29 PM
64.183.4.46
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Here's a theorized estimated components list and BV formula for my newest updated Balancer LAM:
3 small dual cockpit (conventional vehicle one extra crew member style)
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Not legal under current construction rules.
I used both qualities of small cockpit and dual cockpit to create small dual cockpit. Think Tank Life Path enabled me to design such a cockpit.
Wrong - it does not. Further, what the RPG does and does not permit has no bearing on what is or is not legal for Battletech play.
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3 composite structure for 20 thrust
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Internal structure doesn't determine thrust.
True. I decided that the thrust determined how much internal structure was needed like a spacecraft.
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3 aeroequipment
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Could you explain what this is supposed to be?
It's basically the conversion equipment structure that makes up the Balancer's aerofighter/AirMech wings & other structural parts.
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1.5 conversion equipment
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Also illegal, as 1.5 tons of conversion equipment would only work on a 15 ton LAM, which this is not.
That's why there's three tons of aeroequipment structure.
Which is a bizarre way of doing it. LAM conversion equipment is 10% of overall mass. Period. You've got two different sets of equipment, one of which masses 10%, the other 5%. Why?
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9.5 fusion 300 XL engine
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First legal thing on your LAM thus far.
Actually that's supposed to be a 6.3333 ton fusion 300 XXL engine
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0.03 Null Signature System
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Null Signature Systems take up no mass, only critical slot locations, and adds 10 heat when in use.
I use a formula in which Null Signature System masses an amount equal to 1% of unit's tonnage.
That's fine. That doesn't make it legal.
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6.0 two pairs of jet boosters
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Jet boosters are not permitted on LAMs, as they are not permitted on BattleMechs. Superchargers are permitted on BattleMechs. Further, you don't get two, just one.
In theory jet boosters could be used on an AirMech (they're used on VTOLs and AirMechs use VTOL movement rules).
No, there's no theory here - they can't. LAMs spend MPs to move in a fashion similar to VTOLs, but they're not VTOLs.
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In theory multiple pairs of jet boosters could be on 'Mechs and VTOLs (they're powered like weapons).
Again, no theory here. That's illegal under the design rules.
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2.3125 laser with single heat sink & 1 point of standard armor (hand held), emits 12 heat, extreme range of 50, 1 damage point
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Nope. Nonexistent house rule, and unbalanced at that. Not legal.
The other 11 single heat sinks were stolen from Balancer. Not unbalanced, BV can be calculated for such a weapon.
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0.75 armor (12 locations including backpack)
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What backpack?
Backpack attached to center rear torso location. Think Tank life path enabled me to create a 'Mech sized backpack made out of armor.
Again, no, it really doesn't.
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0.52 fuel pump & 30 points of fuel
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Under the last published set of rules, you can't add fuel to a LAM.
Tactical Handbook makes no reference to prohibitions on adding fuel to a LAM; that book merely says that a LAM merely "starts with 30 points of fuel". Also fuel tonnage along with fuel pump is supposed to be 0.5167 tons
If that were true, then you'd have no trouble telling me what page in Tac Handbook establishes the number of criticals per ton for fuel on a 'Mech or LAM, right? But, you can't, because 'Mechs (which a LAM is a subset of) are prohibited from carrying additional fuel, and have had no rules to specify to the contrary.
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30.9259 tonnage total of above
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Not a legal 'Mech, ASF or LAM tonnage, either, which must be in increments of 5 tons.
Actually tonnage seems to be recalculated at 31.35 tons Hand held weapon is carried like cargo. If necessary arm locations can carry cargo.
Which still doesn't help in the slightest, since, after all, it's still not a legal design, and that's still not a legal unit mass.
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro so 86.0825 - 60 = 26.0825
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Balancer LAM lacks a gyro and, therefore, under Battletech rules, would amount to a statue. It would be completely incapable of movement.
Symmetrically tonnaged Balancer LAM doesn't have to have a gyro; its sensors and actuators maintain physical balancing.
Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Not even remotely correct under the rules of Battletech.
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Thus, completely illegal, utterly useless. I'd recommend starting over, and actually conforming to the game's construction rules.
Think Tank life path provides improvising to unit construction rules (not illegal) and not useless.
Completely illegal because, as usual, you've chosen to misinterpret rules in order to allow you to cheat. Useless because, the way you've constructed it, it's rendered completely unable to move in any fashion.
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Balancer LAM can defeat many Clan 'Mechs.
The Balancer LAM would have trouble fighting its way out of a paper bag, as the best it could hope to do would be to set the bag on fire around it.
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I suppose you could use a Think Tank life path event to design a much greater ranged artillery system, i.e., Super Thumper, to defeat my Balancer.
Nope. That's as illegal as the balancer.
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A 50 hex range multiplied by 5 damage points divided by 2 is about 125 BV. By the way, artillery systems are frowned on by Clanners (artillery systems violate Clan honor).
Who cares what the Clanners frown upon? They're not too thrilled about LAMs, either. Of course, this one would probably just elicit a snicker as they called in the Arrow IVs from outside 1500 meters.
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Whats the mass of the LAM?
Mass of Balancer is 30 tons.
For extremely large values of 30, given that, as you've already stated, it's actually 31.35?
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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