Toscotto
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[Re: Tien_Lung]
#148828 - 12/01/07 03:52 PM (12.215.87.252)
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someone who has not posted in a year has Zero credibility.
go away, stay away 
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cbtgod
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[Re: Toscotto]
#148829 - 12/01/07 05:17 PM (97.97.246.88)
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tien lung again has showed us a double digit response to what wasnt even the act subject in the above posts. if you dont like neveron then dont play it there are plenty of other online games out thier. you people act like some one puts you in a hammer lock and hand cuffs you to a desk with only neveron on a computer. bottom line go play in traffic when its dark in a black shirt with no street lights on. 
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Katrar
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148836 - 12/01/07 11:58 PM (24.17.223.10)
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cbtgod obviously has no idea why the majority of people stayed with Neveron, or why anyone has returned to Neveron (and that it had little to do with the game itself). Sadly, I think this shines a light on why HE plays, which sadly, seems to have nothing to do with the community or friendships.
I guess to each their own.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Katrar]
#148838 - 12/02/07 01:16 AM (97.97.246.88)
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as always another person who knows me you must be god himself? if i hated the game i wouldnt play it? as always katrar a bow down to you one of the great neveron gods *sigh* yes yes you are the greatest of neverons players. because you said it it must be law. why bother to even try to explain it you are the master of all knowing. *sigh* since you know everything can i get some winning lotto numbers?
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Katrar
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: cbtgod]
#148840 - 12/02/07 03:11 AM (24.17.223.10)
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Well, cbt, you have demonstrated that (a) you like Neveron the way it is and (b) you would stop playing if you didn't like the game. This shows me that you don't have enough or any friendships within the player community strong enough to keep you playing for their sake.
That's fine, why you play is your business. But you show your shallow view of the Nev community by suggesting people that don't like what has happened to the game quit and go elsewhere.
If you don't understand why and how its possible for people to play despite not liking the game, I guess any number of additional threads or responses won't help educate you.
And btw, while I don't claim to be god, I can share some winning lotto numbers:
4 8 15 16 23 42
Have a nice day, and enjoy your winnings.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Katrar]
#148850 - 12/03/07 12:19 AM (97.97.246.88)
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lol omg stop it the only reason i play is for the freinds ive made you cant know someone by the bitching its a family trait lol. i cant judge you via your posts either lol. we are allowed are opinions but yours dsnt make yours right nor mine does it? my post was act trying to be funny lol omg. since im a faction mate was trying to be funny with you. well all stop all the trying to have fun in a game thing yesh.
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sdog
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: cbtgod]
#148851 - 12/03/07 06:30 AM (139.174.165.206)
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isnt' this flame between still neverionians and ex neveronians rather pointless?
I mean part of you people who left complained about the disgracefull communication and conflicts in the community. You leave, maybe as a consequence of this, and now when you return you get drawn in a flame war with the same old forum trolls.
And for the people who're still playing, you see that some veterans of nev still have enough interest in the game and the community to visit this forum, and post here, but you bash them over the head and attack their game in a rather silly way. Where's your sense of hospitality?
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Utopian
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[Re: Tien_Lung]
#148852 - 12/03/07 10:15 AM (138.163.0.44)
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I disagree with TL. I play Nev because the people I deal with are a good group of guys that I enjoy talking to. On top of that, while the game has it's issues, it's still fun. (BTW I'm still trying to figure out why Ring Around the Collar (STB) stopped short of knocking out my lvl2....(must have run outta gas))I've tried invasion, and I do have an empire there. But I don't like it all that much, and barely pay attention to it.
Let's sum this up. Many people are upset that Nev hasn't been given any attention by the admin(s) lately. I'm concerned as well. However, WWS does have a life. He's only one person and can do only so much. If I could, I'd invest directly to the game and get WWS the help he needs to get Nev where it needs to be. (Unfortunately, i can't seem to find that winning lottery ticket.) Have some patience, offer to help, and I bet things will get better. Don't come down on a guy who gave us a great game but who also may be a little overwhelmed by R/L issues. It's just plain rude.
WWS, I'm not sure what skills I have that could help, but please, I VOLUNTEER to help out. Just let me know what I can do.
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Katrar
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[Re: Utopian]
#148859 - 12/03/07 03:47 PM (24.17.223.10)
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Certainly if WWS would accept help the situation would substantially improve for him. But for some unfathomable reason he rejects any and all offers of help, no matter how qualified. And though the help ticket assists are a good show, they won't fix the game.
I'd certainly love to see Wayward take you up on your offer, Utopian. You and the many, many well intentioned and very capable others that have offered their time and enthusiasm for the love of the game.
Unfortunately, every such offer has been rebuffed in the past, and will most likely be rebuffed in the future. I suspect the core of the problem is that WWS simply does not trust anyone that plays his game, except in the most superficial of tasks (such as screening help tickets). This level of trust is unfortunate, as selfless players of HUGE technical acumen have left the game that could have been enlisted to help save it.
And, it may be a bit tasteless but I must comment on the "Wayward has a life" bit that comes up now and again as an excuse for his absence.
I'm going to call a spade a spade and say bullshit.
Its all about priorities. I don't personally believe that Neveron is any longer anything more than residual income. Most people think this is the case. Keeping it alive just enough to keep trickles of DP income to pay for the servers and maybe buy a steak dinner now and again.
Being a father does not consume so much time as to make you incapable of performing any other tasks. Just ask anyone else who has children.
I find it impossible to fathom that WWS's fatherhood has consumed so much of his life that he has had no time whatsoever for Neveron for... half a year now?
It's simply a matter of priorities. Neveron is not a priority. And likely will never again become one.
All that it would take for Neveron to recover would be for it to again become important to Wayward, and important as something OTHER than simply a source of income (that is ALL it ever was to Randy, he didn't give one shit about the community). If it became important he would again contribute meaningful time to it. He would take an active interest in cleaning up the community. He would pay attention to the almost universal agreement on the part of the playerbase regarding certain changes.
Please, don't make excuses for Wayward's lack of stewardship. If he cared about Neveron as much as you do, he'd be on point fixing it. And it CAN be fixed. It just requires someone wanting to fix it.
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Bear21
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: Katrar]
#148861 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (59.167.103.130)
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Well said.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Bear21]
#148862 - 12/03/07 06:44 PM (97.97.246.88)
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ok xeno is a player admin do you guys know of anyone else. and i do rember 5-6 people that are code writers that offerd to help and he said no? maybe he dsnt have full control of neveron like every one thinks? the biggest thing is his lack of letting us know whats going on. bottom line would we be willing to donate for the revamp of neveron? and would wws be able to get it done? 
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Katrar
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148864 - 12/04/07 03:05 AM (24.17.223.10)
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My personal feeling is that if WWS really demonstrated his intent to fix Neveron, there would be a response in the form of DP purchases.
I mean, Neveron appears to have less of a future than your average sub-prime home mortgage yet people still apparently donate enough (just) to keep the boat afloat.
If WWS doesn't really care about Nev, I guess there's your answer. But if he does care about it, and hasn't tapped into his incredibly stubbornly loyal playerbase that is still around, quite frankly I'll call him an idiot.
Some bullets:
- Beyond Xeno I havn't heard of anyone else.
- More than 5-6 have offered to help code or anything else. Probably 5-6 major talents. I can tell you for instance that Dogmatic offered to put Randy & WWS in touch with world class database gurus that he works with daily down in SoCal, free of charge, for consultation or idea generation, and he got shot down too. One of the people that had expressed a willlingness to Dogmatic to talk with Randy/WWS was Patrick Naughton, who CREATED JAVA. Yes.
- About full control of Neveron, ultimately nobody knows because WWS is in next to zero contact with his players, but generally it is believed that Randy is out of the picture, leaving exactly 1 person left with any control or influence over Neveron: Wayward.
- I fully 100% agree the biggest thing is WWS failing to communicate with his playerbase. Failing. Miserably. And. Completely. Period. End of Statement.
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NeverSayNever
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[Re: NeverSayNever]
#153371 - 01/22/09 01:38 PM (78.55.197.14)
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If you want to check if gaming history - and or BattleTech-MMO-RPG related community development - really tends to repeat itself you might want to read a couple of threads at "that other game's forums":
E.g. like the epic debate about the excessive use of Clan Large Pulse Lasers (Custom ClanTech "Munch" Mechs / Large Pulse Laser Boats for example like the "Redback" or the "Crimson Blade" customs, crammed up to the max with Clan Large Pulse Lasers, Clan Double Heatsinks - and max armor of course) ...
Or the apparently currently ever increasing use of Arrow IV equipped heavy artillery units at "that other game" ...
[Old IDF ("nerf") / Sniper debates at Sarna / Neveron anyone?]
Or the apparently ongoing discussions about player behaviour related issues (rampant "Munchkinism"?, general "win at all costs - and or by all means - attitude"?, "cheating/loophole exploitation/rules lawyering" - "anything goes" -"it's a war game" attitude?, "violation of the spirit of the game"?, etc.) at "that other game" ...
The list could go on and on, but please feel free to check out on your own, some rants at "that other game" tend to be kind of highly amusing / entertaining - and or oddly familiar ..., at least in my very humble opinion ...
Any Neveron-related déjà-vu feelings?
Welcome to "that other game" - and welcome to the same - or at least pretty similar -, problems as well ... 
Have a nice day / night ...
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Cluster
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[Re: NeverSayNever]
#153372 - 01/22/09 01:52 PM (84.175.70.163)
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Lol unbeliveable. It's still around.
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ShadowMasterCM
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[Re: Cluster]
#153373 - 01/22/09 02:01 PM (66.67.55.200)
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OK just to clarify...
we dont need to say 'that other game'
that is a totally childish / ridiculous antic that is not needed here.
you can talk about any topic here really but your comments must remain civil and hopefully has a point
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[Re: NeverSayNever]
#153376 - 01/22/09 03:34 PM (121.44.202.90)
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If you want to check if gaming history - and or BattleTech-MMO-RPG related community development - really tends to repeat itself you might want to read a couple of threads at "that other game's forums":
E.g. like the epic debate about the excessive use of Clan Large Pulse Lasers (Custom ClanTech "Munch" Mechs / Large Pulse Laser Boats for example like the "Redback" or the "Crimson Blade" customs, crammed up to the max with Clan Large Pulse Lasers, Clan Double Heatsinks - and max armor of course) ...
Or the apparently currently ever increasing use of Arrow IV equipped heavy artillery units at "that other game" ...
[Old IDF ("nerf") / Sniper debates at Sarna / Neveron anyone?]
Or the apparently ongoing discussions about player behaviour related issues (rampant "Munchkinism"?, general "win at all costs - and or by all means - attitude"?, "cheating/loophole exploitation/rules lawyering" - "anything goes" -"it's a war game" attitude?, "violation of the spirit of the game"?, etc.) at "that other game" ...
The list could go on and on, but please feel free to check out on your own, some rants at "that other game" tend to be kind of highly amusing / entertaining - and or oddly familiar ..., at least in my very humble opinion ...
Any Neveron-related déjà-vu feelings?
Welcome to "that other game" - and welcome to the same - or at least pretty similar -, problems as well ...
Have a nice day / night ...
your missing the key points as you always do.
1. Its got an active admin
2. help tickets get answered
3. They are disucssions by the community, then something actually happens about it and things get changed for the better, look at the C-LPL outcome, everyone in the whole game thinks its a great idea, its been implemented and the game moved on.
4. The community while they do have arguments (its a war game) is far superior to that of nevs, after all how many noobs have made it off noob islend here of late?
5. You dont play it.
Bingo
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NeverSayNever
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[Re: bingo]
#153378 - 01/22/09 05:28 PM (78.55.197.14)
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1. Its got an active admin
I got to admit that much is true, but Neveron used to have up to three active admins, you know, back when it still had a much larger playerbase for financial support.
Then an "Exodus" occured at Neveron - as predicted / feared by quite a lot of people who dared to voice their concerns at the sarna forums early on, and if I recall correctly many people simply left Neveron shortly after the introduction of (forced) faction wars.
It looks like quite a lot of these former Nev gamers migrated to the new "promised land" for BT-related MMO RPGs - sometimes also known as "that other game" -, of course including quite a few people who used to spend a more or less large part of their disposable income at Neveron (for some donation points, and or subscriptions, etc.).
Apparently it looks like the rise in donations at "that other game" might have caused a decline in donations at Neveron, because some former Nev gamers simply decided to vote with their wallet / credit card in order to express their dissatisfaction with recent changes at Neveron (like (forced) faction wars, skills and multipliers degrading over time, etc.) ...
With decreasing income from donations Neveron as a gaming "company" / "business" had no choice but to adapt and reduce its costs which kind of inevitably lead to reductions in admin personnel (Bill (Randy too?)) and in "service" (Seth, the underpaid help / bug ticket box man).
less people coding / maintaining code and or servers / bugfixing = more bugs stay alive, new ones emerge, etc. = more bug / help tickets = more time till a user gets an answer = more frustrated users = more people quitting and or decreasing their donations = slowly shrinking player- and or donatorbase = less money, but with pretty much the same basic fixed costs to pay = less money left to maintain / upgrade hardware and or replace aging hardware = probably more system quirks / "hickups" and or lag due to aging hardware = more bug tickets = more frustrated users ...
less admins answering bug tickets, or processing subscriptions and or donations, etc. = less service = more annoyed customers = less happy and or satisfied customers = less will to donate some more = less money to pay admins, maintain servers, fix bugs, answer tickets, etc. ...
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2. help tickets get answered
Sure, but Neveron's players used to get an answer too, back when there were more admins available, sometimes one even got a fairly fast reply on a bug or help ticket.
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3. They are disucssions by the community, then something actually happens about it and things get changed for the better, look at the C-LPL outcome, everyone in the whole game thinks its a great idea, its been implemented and the game moved on.
Only partially true, as far as I know it looks like quite a few people were much less than happy about the C-LPL debate and "nerfs" / BV adjustments / bracket adjustments / etc. that happened / followed - and some players might have left "the promised land" / "that other game" due to these changes.
Apparently another game mechanics related hot topic at "that other game", the ongoing Arrow IV artillery debate ...
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4. The community while they do have arguments (its a war game) is far superior to that of nevs, after all how many noobs have made it off noob islend here of late?
I don't know, haven't seen any and or many 'survivors' making it from "Noob Cannibal Island" to one of the continents recently, sorry, please simply ask the Noobs who actually made it - or the Noob killers - about it. I never maintained or supported any Noob hunting operations on "Noob Cannibal Island", but other veterans might know more about this topic.
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5. You dont play it.
Yes, and ain't it funny?, I'm really glad about it, because Neveron never let me down when it came to satisfying my hidden minor "masochistic tendencies / needs" and there simply was not enough "demand" to increase the daily dose of masochism to make me wish to join "the promised land" and its natives ...
By the way, you don't necessarily have to put your hand too close to a campfire twice in order to know that this might hurt, usually once is enough to know about it - and remember it for the future ...
Have a nice / day night - and don't get to close to the campfire ...
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