EvcRos
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We would like to buy this game
#154039 - 03/19/09 04:24 AM (86.121.32.97)
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Hello,
we are interested in purchasing this game, can the owner get in touch with us ? PM here, using the email of this account or responding to our mails sent to neveroncontact at hotmail.com
Best regards
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Toten
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Reged: 03/18/08
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: EvcRos]
#154040 - 03/19/09 04:50 AM (118.208.21.148)
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You'll never get a response to your e-mails or a PM here.
Find ShadowMaster in chat. He seems to have a hotline to our so called Admin.
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Fang
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: EvcRos]
#154041 - 03/19/09 05:14 AM (12.54.128.7)
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If I remember correctly, offers have been made before, even good offers, and all were turned down.
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<Dawg_of_war> can you research the Stone rhino design??
<jaggeh> sure but mankind will be extinct and the cockroaches will be playing nev and making fun of chet
http://s2.bite-fight.us/c.php?uid=167703
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Rodon
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Loc: Augusta, Ga
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Fang]
#154043 - 03/19/09 06:55 AM (76.125.18.152)
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Yes, Very good offers have been made in the past. Negotiations were started then dropped with no explaination. A complete failure to communicate on the part of the present owners killed all prospects of getting nev in responsible hands. Since that time Nev has become more and more unstable. To my knowledge no more offers have or will be made. Due to this lack of communication and frequent bugs and down-time donations have and will continue to plummet. Without intervention I think nev will not last much longer. A shame really.
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ChargerIIC
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Reged: 03/19/09
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Rodon]
#154047 - 03/19/09 09:02 AM (162.135.0.6)
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Why does everyone want to by this game? Wouldn't it be more productive to volunteer as an admin and lend your technical skills to the sever?
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bingo
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: EvcRos]
#154049 - 03/19/09 12:36 PM (118.208.155.65)
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Purchasing neveron is a very poor commercial decision:
Its assets, i.e its servers are over 5 years old now and are ready to die
Its codebase stinks, and only works in Internet explorer 6, which is flawed beyond belief.
It has burned through the community, pretty much every battletech player has been and gone.
Its got nothing unique, there are other and better games out there in the same genre
Imagine someone else trying to understand all the programming thats been done and needed to be fixed? ZOMG.
Randy had several offers to buy it, but they wanted several million dollars for it. just shows how greedy they were/are.
I've got two words for potential investors
START AGAIN.
or buy another product, there is stacks of great games out there that need investors.
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Toten
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: ChargerIIC]
#154051 - 03/19/09 03:24 PM (203.202.144.223)
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First you'd need an active Admin to grant you access to the server. That's never going to happen. We don't have an active Admin, nor does he give a shit.
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Katrar
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: ChargerIIC]
#154052 - 03/19/09 04:11 PM (24.19.231.129)
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Quote:
Why does everyone want to by this game? Wouldn't it be more productive to volunteer as an admin and lend your technical skills to the sever?
WWS (and Randy before him) refuse to let anyone help. They wouldn't even give the PA's access to the ticket system (tickets have to be manually forwarded to them from WWS). There are MANY players that have generously offered their time and technical skills over the years.
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GwB
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Reged: 11/30/08
Posts: 20
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Katrar]
#154056 - 03/19/09 07:26 PM (76.217.197.37)
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WWS hates BT
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EvcRos
Newbie
Reged: 03/18/09
Posts: 7
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: GwB]
#154059 - 03/20/09 01:14 AM (86.121.32.97)
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If the game sucks so much why are you guys still paying for it ? That's the only reason the game is not sold, it produce cash while investing almost nothing.
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Katrar
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: EvcRos]
#154061 - 03/20/09 03:12 AM (24.19.231.129)
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I'm an ex player but I think I can sum up people's basic reasons for you:
1. They've made good friends over the years that they don't want to abandon.
2. They play in the past, using the good times as justification to continue playing in the bad times. (I was guilty of this when I was still playing)
3. They have a lot of real money invested in their empires and can't swallow the bitter pill of simply walking away. Some have invested thousands of dollars in Neveron over the years.
I don't think many of the people that use sarna forums still donate. Its new players that come in, think it looks cool, drop a couple bucks, then end up leaving a couple days or weeks later. Rinse and repeat.
The old timers simply play out of habit, and because they have established themselves in the community. Both of those are very hard to break away from, at least it was for me (though I eventually did, except to troll the forums).
I know you have just found Neveron, but you have to understand that this game has been around since 2001 and there were many good times.
There is a hoc archive link on my posts, feel free to take a look at what Neveron used to look like, if you are curious.
Regards
Kato
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Harbingers of Chaos
"Come war with us!"
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The HoC Archive
And remember, Rick Astley will NEVER: 1. Give you up 2. Let you down 3. Run around 4. Desert you 5. Make you cry 6. Say goodbye 7. Tell a lie 8. Hurt you
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cbtgod
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Katrar]
#154062 - 03/20/09 06:48 AM (97.102.64.60)
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correction EvcRos , the game it self dsnt suck nor most of the players. wws and randy do. people have offerd free code help? refused. buy the game refused?. bottom line wws and randy put together have a 98 IQ.
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GwB
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Reged: 11/30/08
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Katrar]
#154075 - 03/20/09 02:18 PM (76.217.197.37)
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Quote:
3. They have a lot of real money invested in their empires and can't swallow the bitter pill of simply walking away. Some have invested thousands of dollars in Neveron over the years.
Regards
Kato
I think this is the reason nev is still running, there are players who have full factions but are the only active BPers in it. these guys have thrown lotsa molla into it. the anwser is not simple but open.........Sue WWS/Randy for custody, then divorce nev from them!!!!!!
GwB
P.S. and make them pay palomonyor whatever its called(never been divorced.me shrugs)
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Fang
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Reged: 10/22/04
Posts: 1066
Loc: North Carolina, USA
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: GwB]
#154109 - 03/24/09 09:59 AM (12.54.128.7)
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LOL! ....Palimony...hee.
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One by one, the rabbits are stealing my sanity.....
<Dawg_of_war> can you research the Stone rhino design??
<jaggeh> sure but mankind will be extinct and the cockroaches will be playing nev and making fun of chet
http://s2.bite-fight.us/c.php?uid=167703
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The_Great_Evil_Lord_Ovie
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Posts: 6
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Fang]
#154112 - 03/24/09 11:21 AM (71.96.157.190)
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I personaly whould love to see the game sold to somebody that'll pump some life back into her, I have been a Nev player since the early days of the game. I have ruled over an Alliance that was the Only REAL Enemy HoC could never bully. Yet here i am almost totaly unable to play now because the game dosent work correctly in IE 7 and IE 6 wont work correctly on my computer. Will i quit because of that no, but it sure is a real pain in the arse.
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rantamplan
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Reged: 03/26/03
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Dont be that bad...
nev in deed is the best strategy game i have ever played, and so i played it for 5 full years.
And nev do have some unique features, like having in the same game a full economic game, a player made maket, a full strategical game, a full tactical game and a real political game in one.
All adorned by research stuff, arenas and the like.
the problem with nev is that is abandoned but im sure, (and im sure most of you think that too) that with A LOT of fixing most old nev players would come back to the game.
It will require work (no doubt of that) maybe it requires a reset but fix the stuff that its wrong and nev will be the great game it used to be.
If that happens with the close comunity it used to have the new would spread in no time and most players would get notice of it.
Im sure it can be done, although its true that depending on randy and wayward codding maybe it worths to start it form zero.
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Toscotto
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: rantamplan]
#154138 - 03/25/09 10:28 PM (67.212.96.108)
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well said
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cbtgod
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Toscotto]
#154139 - 03/26/09 09:40 AM (97.102.64.60)
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agreed well said but sadly falls on greedy deaf ears?
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yes its a toad, if you didnt know that you dont know anything about cbt
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mattbuck
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Reged: 02/13/04
Posts: 2853
Loc: UK
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: cbtgod]
#154826 - 05/02/09 08:39 PM (90.241.225.227)
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I wish someone could buy nev. The admins are hated by the players, and for good reason. Randy, the original admin, stated publicly that he didn't give a crap about old players as long as new ones came along. That is bad because you need the old players to provide help and support for new players as there is no help or support from the admins.
As was mentioned earlier, the servers are ancient. The coding is second to every single bit of code ever written by anyone on the entire planet. There is no documentation, the admins themselves, who haven't been active for 2 years, never knew what they were doing when they did it, and never had a plan.
As was mentioned, almost every cbt fan has been through Nev. Nev was a great game. It was brilliant in fact. Back in the day. But the admins were greedy (to wit they put donation money on the craps tables in Vegas) and didn't give a shit about the players. They would announce whole new systems with no warning, which required empires to be completely rebuilt. They turned a blind eye to cheating and abusive behaviour, because the people doing it were donators. And most importantly, they never fixed a problem. Instead they would slap another layer of lousy code on top.
Here's an example.
Donators wanted an advantage, so they coded in uber-mechs, such as the stone rhino, which use clan tech. This allows them to sit out of range of any standard mech.
To combat this, towers were introduced. They outranged rhinos.
Towers were too powerful, they could kill anything before it got close enough to hit. So they added IDF.
IDF was too powerful, and people would go into battle armed with just IDF and kill everything because the standard IDF unit had an LRM for "close" range backup and had a fuckton of armour. The IDFs it carried could easily crit kill towers or enemy vehicles before they had a chance to get close, and the massed LRMs would kill any mech.
Now, IDF is no fun for either side. The way to solve this problem would simply to have removed stone rhinos and the like, but instead they add crappy system after crappy system. Then when they start running low on funds they decide to make people war more so they need to donate more to rebuild. But rebuilding is a long long process, and often people quit rather than keep going. They made wars more protracted and costly, removed the ability to come to a diplomatic solution, and generally removed any player interaction. Players became bitter and less likely to help anyone. They split into two camps, and if you weren't in either then you would be destroyed because neither side could attack the other, as while huge alliances they didn't have enough players anymore to support a full blown war with one lvl13, let alone an entire alliance. It became the norm to do anything to win, because otherwise you lose RL $.
In short, if you want to buy the game, don't expect an answer, the admins have been claiming that "this time I'm coming back and things will be better" for 2 years now, and it's always been lies. They won't respond to us at all. And frankly, you'd be better off creating a new game. It would be easier to recode it from the ground up than to fix all the shit.
(Oh yeah, nothing was ever removed properly, just disabled.... that leads to more bugs)
rant off
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Katrar
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: EvcRos]
#154959 - 05/08/09 01:52 PM (24.19.231.129)
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That pretty much sums it up, mb.
Sometime, someplace, someone will code a game that builds on the fundamentals we loved from old school Nev. Who knows when, maybe in 10 years, but I still believe it will happen. And when it does happen, that person will be wealthy.
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"Come war with us!"
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And remember, Rick Astley will NEVER: 1. Give you up 2. Let you down 3. Run around 4. Desert you 5. Make you cry 6. Say goodbye 7. Tell a lie 8. Hurt you
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GundamMerc
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Katrar]
#155257 - 06/03/09 09:47 AM (216.48.130.13)
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they already have, go to alloutwar.com
It is the same basic gameplay (unfortunately not battletech, but still fun), much easier to start an empire and has an largely active player base
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Tzu_Theory
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Posts: 522
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Katrar]
#155265 - 06/04/09 10:19 AM (96.255.248.86)
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If any of the orignal admins see this or the current owner. I will buy Neveron if you are looking to sell. Please contact me via PM and I will send you my contact information. This is a serious offer and I will try to contact ShadowMaster in chat to see if I can bridge the gap.
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bingo
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Reged: 06/04/07
Posts: 64
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#155266 - 06/04/09 04:06 PM (121.44.204.49)
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Perhaps one of the most stupid things a person could possibly do.
why would you buy it? what does it offer? what does it have?
Whatever your purchase price your going to pay just invest it in making a game from scratch, your buying old hardware, code that works in a browser nobody uses anymore, no documentation, god knows whats left of the playerbase etc etc, the list of issues is bigger than randy's ego.
I'd love to see your detailed business plan to turn it around, LOL
The decision to buy the game would put you in the same catagory as Randy.
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: bingo]
#155276 - 06/06/09 06:15 PM (96.255.248.86)
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Thanks Bingo, you have contributed a ton to the conversation. Please return to playing your game and sipping on kool-aid.
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cbtgod
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#155278 - 06/06/09 10:24 PM (173.171.168.17)
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even if you bought it tzu and turned it around i wouldnt support it untill my 2 yr old legit tickets get answ i dont care who owns it than you buy nev you buy all the bs with it. good luck either way.
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buc
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: cbtgod]
#155362 - 06/15/09 02:56 PM (122.57.193.88)
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GL Tzu - although I'm quitting now, I still love this game, and would try to come back if you did get it. No bs coming back from me!
buc`
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Toscotto
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: buc]
#155447 - 06/22/09 09:16 PM (67.212.96.108)
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needs more cowbell Tzu.
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Toscotto]
#155576 - 07/05/09 09:00 AM (71.126.180.133)
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I have no means of contacting Randy or Greg, so if anyone can pass them this message- please have them contact me. It is a serious inquiry.
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Toscotto
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#155592 - 07/06/09 06:34 AM (67.212.96.108)
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Tzu, Shadowmaster in chat would be a good contact. I know that I saw that Randy was selling a home in AZ so getting in touch with him may be even harder. sry cant help- would love to see you or someone that wants to keep this alive take it. it would be a reason to play again 
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: We would like to buy this game
[Re: Toscotto]
#155731 - 07/17/09 05:58 PM (173.79.187.103)
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I found WWS MySpace but he hasn't logged in since March =/
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