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VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth)
      #155654 - 07/09/09 04:52 AM (68.118.220.179)

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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name: Visigoth (Vigil) VG-2EX
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Aerospace Fighter
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 60 tons
Frame: Saab Visigoth
Length: 18 meters
Power Plant: Saab Starfire 300 Fusion
Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Armor Type: Saab Starfighter Standard
Armament:
1 Saab Paragon LRM 20+ArtIV
1 Saab Seeker Medium Pulse Laser
4 Saab Starfury ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Dominion Saab
Location: Rasalhague
Communications System: Saab Siren
Targeting & Tracking System: Saab Snooper
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==Overview:==
Based on the popular Visigoth Omnifighter, the VG-2EX Visigoth is a cheap,
rugged high-maneuverability dogfighter with more than a passing similarity to
its parent design.

Although the VG-2EX is marketed as a Visigoth, numerous deficiencies compared
to its frontline Omnifighter cousin have prompted both Ghost Bear and Inner
Sphere tacticians to refer to it by its original Dominion Saab project name --
Vigil.

One perk of exporting the VG-2EX outside the Dominion is that several outside
suppliers now exist for the common parts shared by the two designs, which has
reduced maintenance costs for the Visigoth Omnifighter considerably.




==Capabilities:==
Provided by a Saab Starfire 300 Fusion Engine, the Vigil's most impressive
capability is its phenomenal thrust. Generating a thrust of 330 kN at full
throttle, this nineteen-ton engine allows the Vigil a peak acceleration of 5.5
standard gravities, rarely matched in fighters of its mass.

Owing partly to this powerful system, the Vigil's weaponry is somewhat more
pedestrian. Long-range power is provided by a twenty-tube launcher for the
Saab Paragon 70mm Laser-Guided ATA/ATG missile. Additional firepower is
provided by two pair of Saab Starfury Extended-Range 5cm Lasers. Additional
power is provided at what pilots refer to as "knife-fighting ranges" by a Saab
Seeker 5cm Pulse Laser.

Potential buyers familiar with the superlative capabilities of Clan weapon
systems should note, however, that the Saab laser systems are an export model,
lacking the high-grade optics used on weapons produced for the Clan.


==Variants:==
Vigils exported to the Draconis Combine government are fitted with a
locally-produced version of the DC's own omnifghter systems. This version is
referred to as the VG-2DC. This increases the cost of the Vigil, but the
versatility of Omnifighter systems ensures that Draconis pilots will keep the
enemy guessing for decades to come.

Clan Ghost Bear may field a version of the Vigil with an upgraded sensor
system. This version would be nearly indistinguishable from the frontline
Visigoth, and is supposed to serve with the Ghost Bear merchant fleet.

==Deployment==
The VG-2 is widely sold and resold. Primary clients include the Draconis
Combine's DMCS and DCA fighter wings, The Outworlds Alliance, and a firm on
Harlech that resells the design to mercenaries sphere-wide.

Clan Ghost Bear is believed to field some of these craft itself, though these
reports remain unconfirmed.


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Class/Model/Name: Visigoth (Vigil) VG-2EX
Mass: 60 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant: 300 Fusion 19.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 7
Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 7 .00
Total Heat Sinks: 10 Double .00
Fuel: 5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters: 3.00
Armor Type: Standard (208 total armor pts) 13.00
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Nose: 71
Left/Right Wings: 46/46
Aft: 45

Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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1 LRM 20+ArtIV Nose 16 16 16 -- 6 11.00
Ammo (LRM 20) 18 --- 3.00
1 Medium Pulse Laser Nose 6 -- -- -- 4 2.00
2 ER Medium Laser RW 5 5 -- -- 10 2.00
2 ER Medium Laser LW 5 5 -- -- 10 2.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 30 60.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 3,960,580 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,345
Cost per BV: 2,944.67
Weapon Value: 1,896 (Ratio = 1.41)
Damage Factors: SRV = 26; MRV = 17; LRV = 3; ERV = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 7, Armor/Structure: 5 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/1, Overheat: 1
Class: FM; Point Value: 13
Specials: if



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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Bob_Richter]
      #155659 - 07/09/09 10:42 AM (24.4.97.143)

I have never been impressed by fast fighters. You have only so many thrust points and you will just use them up faster and be out of fuel sooner. The way I have seen it for a fighter to use the speed advantage you will need more fuel than the standard five tons.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey]
      #155661 - 07/09/09 01:18 PM (66.66.47.104)

This fighter has 1 more point of thrust, and 2 more of overthrust, than the average aerospace fighter. It's not exactly a raging speed demon, Donkey.

As for burning fuel faster? It's not like the fighter is obligated to spend more thrust points. It just has that extra point or two that lets it out-turn and out-accelerate many other fighters, a competitive edge that it doesn't have to use. In advanced space movement, an extra point to spin to face threats, adjust your vector, or both in the same turn without going into overthrust is nice.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Cray]
      #155664 - 07/09/09 06:36 PM (24.4.97.143)

My preference is to give up speed for size. I don't like any fighter lower than 90 tons. I am quite happy with a 100 ton fighter that moved 5/8 that had some good long range fire power.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Bob_Richter]
      #155665 - 07/09/09 10:59 PM (207.191.200.101)

Cheap and robust, just how they should be. Well built, if slightly under-armed.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey]
      #155713 - 07/14/09 12:38 PM (66.191.9.99)

Those unwavering basic tactical principles you were just talking about have always preferred speed over size for a dogfighter.

Why? If you're behind him, he can't shoot you.

Admittedly, those were rules thought up when any weapon carried by an aircraft could down another one in a single hit or only a few hits. With AT2's flying armor bricks, maybe a little less applicable.

Or maybe not. I know I've had good success with high-maneuverability craft in my games. I'm still learning how to use them, so I don't know that I might not do better with a lower-maneuverability profile.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Venom]
      #155714 - 07/14/09 12:40 PM (66.191.9.99)

Well, you can basically pick three from speed, armor, weapons, and reasonable expense. Since I was on a tech budget, it was firepower that suffered. I liked how I managed to squeeze in a high-tech targeting system and some advanced lasers.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Bob_Richter]
      #155717 - 07/14/09 02:56 PM (24.4.97.143)

Speed is not everything in BT now in the real world of jet fighters speed is a lot but not everything. A slower but more maneuverable fighter could get into another fighters 6 and down it.

With BT fighters having rear facing weapons and one shot one kill weapons having an enemy in your 6 is not a guaranteed death.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey]
      #155742 - 07/19/09 09:44 AM (66.191.9.99)

Yet rear-facing weapons are rare and low in power, where rear armor is generally a fighter's weakest. High maneuverability (the same as speed in BT) can be decisive if it allows you to keep to your opponent's (unarmed) sides and (weak) rear and attack with your own powerful nose weapons while defending with your strong nose armor.

Some quirks in initiative and physics* make this less than wholly plausible, but if it works enough of the time, the high-maneuverability fighter does indeed have the advantage. Of course, high-maneuverability craft are less advisable for attacks against large craft or massed engagements, as many kills will occur from the front and sides, and maneuverability offers only a limited defense against these.

*The physics of the situation allow a spacecraft to effectively turn on a dime, bringing its weapons to bear on a target more or less instantly, rather than using the lazy turns required of aerodynamic dogfighters. At the same time, initiative (which is a crapshoot) allows any fighter to gain an advantageous position if it's only close enough to the enemy. It should, however, be obvious that "close enough" varies based on the thrust of both craft.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: Bob_Richter]
      #155750 - 07/19/09 05:33 PM (24.4.97.143)

Another problem with using speed in space is to turn your self around and go the other way it requires more thrust than if your going slow. Now I know very little about playing with fighters so I am not sure if that is the case in BT.

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Re: VG-2EX Vigil (Visigoth) [Re: His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey]
      #155754 - 07/19/09 06:50 PM (66.191.9.99)

using the more realistic vector thrust system, facing and heading are independent. Craft turn on a dime at any speed.

The less-realistic cinematic system works as you describe, in favor of the high-maneuverability fighter (since speed is effectively unlimited in space.)

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