stretch_mf
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BPer Permissions
#162262 - 10/12/11 02:10 AM (76.246.254.176)
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in light of recent events, a rework of the bper permissions should seriously be looked at. i am posting a suggestion and the community in general is highly encouraged to make recommendations, additions, subtractions, or other ideas for bper adjustments.
my idea is in the form of quick selections. generally we add bpers in a time of war and do not have the luxury of going through the entire permissions list selecting things the bper can and cannot do.
so here is a rough draft of my idea.
1. Bper (lowest access) allows people to see units, move mobbed units only, and attack enemy zones.
2. lieutenant (includes BPer rights) also allows unmobbed unit movement, can mob units, claim zones, comm units/mechs using only available pilots.
3. Capt. (includes BPer & Lieutenant) this setting allows money transfers, access to stored pilots, unit scrapping with emperor consent (emperor would have a pop up opun logging in or opun page change or refresh)
4. General(full emperor access) this allows all access to the empire with no filters. except inactive emperor limitations.
please post any ideas i may have missed. i know there are 100's but im tired and cant think of any more.
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dieaready
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Posts: 74
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: stretch_mf]
#162265 - 10/12/11 08:07 AM (110.174.196.226)
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+1 to that idea, except remove the inactive emperor limitations. That way people going on long vacations can have other people running their emp properly without having to give them their main login.
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mattbuck
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: dieaready]
#162266 - 10/12/11 08:09 AM (128.243.253.125)
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It won't work. There already is a system for limiting access, and, surprise surprise, everyone sets it to emperor access because it's simply easier.
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stretch_mf
Newbie
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Posts: 19
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: mattbuck]
#162267 - 10/12/11 08:17 AM (76.246.254.176)
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It won't work. There already is a system for limiting access, and, surprise surprise, everyone sets it to emperor access because it's simply easier.
thats why i instead have 4 buttons as options. setting limits will be just as easy as setting all access.
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ghostrider
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Reged: 03/26/10
Posts: 522
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: stretch_mf]
#162268 - 10/12/11 09:34 AM (70.173.25.223)
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good idea, but from what Ive seen, most abuse comes from someone getting pissed at someone else they had good relationship with for a while.
Not trying to knock it but there are a few flaws with this.
1. there is an option to bp without having access to the empire. It allows faction members to fight in the battle going on. It only allows you so much bv in the current fight, and thats it. Once its over, your involvement ends. If they enemy hits another zone, or there is another battle, then you can get in there.
2. If you cannt mob units, then you can not hit enemy zones. That is a minor problem for the 1st entry.
3. Line 2 has been a problem with log in abuse with people moving units outside the target cities, or moving the mechs in so they can be destroyed.
4. Line 3 and up are the biggest problems. There is also a problem when people want to buy things from an empire and the owner isnt around/on.
As i said in other threads, some people hand other people their passwords, and never bother thinking of the empires they have access to might be tempting for others with their passwords to stay away from. I have kept from getting access because i am curious on how defenses are set up. Just looking may comm a large amount of costly units. And it would be real easy to sell myself units at extremely cheap rates, which is against the wishes of the owner. If they wanna sell them that cheap, then they would put it on the market as such.
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stretch_mf
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Posts: 19
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: ghostrider]
#162274 - 10/12/11 01:04 PM (76.246.254.176)
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Quote:
good idea, but from what Ive seen, most abuse comes from someone getting pissed at someone else they had good relationship with for a while.
Not trying to knock it but there are a few flaws with this.
1. there is an option to bp without having access to the empire. It allows faction members to fight in the battle going on. It only allows you so much bv in the current fight, and thats it. Once its over, your involvement ends. If they enemy hits another zone, or there is another battle, then you can get in there.
that option does not allow people to move units to slow/stall enemy hits, counter attack, or do anything but engage battles already underway. virtually useless imo
2. If you cannt mob units, then you can not hit enemy zones. That is a minor problem for the 1st entry.
this is for battleplayers you add for a short term, generally used for people just helping while the emperor is online and in need of assistance. the more trusted people with access and the emporer will know what they want used and can supply the units to the low end bpers
3. Line 2 has been a problem with log in abuse with people moving units outside the target cities, or moving the mechs in so they can be destroyed.
the more advanced/unrestricted settings are for more trusted people. not every option can be covered but i admit, some tweaks can be added. for instance the setting could include no removal of units below say 200 units
4. Line 3 and up are the biggest problems. There is also a problem when people want to buy things from an empire and the owner isnt around/on.
these settings are for your long term friends only. not more than 1 or 2 of these would be recommended for any level empire. and only under a vacation or deployment situation generally.
As i said in other threads, some people hand other people their passwords, and never bother thinking of the empires they have access to might be tempting for others with their passwords to stay away from. I have kept from getting access because i am curious on how defenses are set up. Just looking may comm a large amount of costly units. And it would be real easy to sell myself units at extremely cheap rates, which is against the wishes of the owner. If they wanna sell them that cheap, then they would put it on the market as such.
there is no perfect solution. but what im trying to do is add some simplicity to the battle player settings, if your in a war and need bpers now, this allows you four options for who your adding, generally, a rushed addition will likely be only a bper access. currently the fastest setting is all access, with limitations being a step by step proscess. this new system im trying to get set up makes all options just 1 click so there is no reason people cant manage thier login access a little better.
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please ignore my post count. i really hate forums and only post in them if absolutely necessary. that being said, i am a very experienced player that enjoys killing empires more than trolling forums. have a nice day.
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cbtgod
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 12/14/05
Posts: 1812
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: stretch_mf]
#162281 - 10/12/11 05:04 PM (173.171.168.13)
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the solution is no logins allowed but the owners period. no more crying, no more supposed login abuse anymore. l8rs DABOSS
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ghostrider
Lieutenant
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Posts: 522
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: cbtgod]
#162285 - 10/12/11 06:49 PM (70.173.25.223)
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honestly, there is an option that allows people to move units around. war access only. this is a great option that limits what people can do, but as it was said, most people dont want to take the time out to set the options for people.
I can understand the thinking about eliminating all log ins except the owners. It is a decent simple fix. It wont stop the problems with a few people abusing access, but would limit it to being the players fault for giving out that info. It will do nothing to actually stop the abuse from happening. I have been given a password or two from someone so i could get in and get units fixed while the owner went to bed/out to diner with family. I asked them to change the pass after i got done, and never tried to find out if they did. I hate having info like that just because others do abuse the privilege.
You said it yourself that you got burned before. Is it really something you want other people to experience? Not even sure if the person burned was the real target or not.
And as for the advanced options of log in for bpers. You can give access to a trusted person, and they hand out their info to another trusted person, though the first and third people hate each other. Thats part of the problem with giving out access.
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stretch_mf
Newbie
Reged: 10/07/06
Posts: 19
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: ghostrider]
#162293 - 10/12/11 11:31 PM (76.246.254.176)
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honestly, there is an option that allows people to move units around. war access only. this is a great option that limits what people can do, but as it was said, most people dont want to take the time out to set the options for people.
I can understand the thinking about eliminating all log ins except the owners. It is a decent simple fix. It wont stop the problems with a few people abusing access, but would limit it to being the players fault for giving out that info. It will do nothing to actually stop the abuse from happening. I have been given a password or two from someone so i could get in and get units fixed while the owner went to bed/out to diner with family. I asked them to change the pass after i got done, and never tried to find out if they did. I hate having info like that just because others do abuse the privilege.
You said it yourself that you got burned before. Is it really something you want other people to experience? Not even sure if the person burned was the real target or not.
And as for the advanced options of log in for bpers. You can give access to a trusted person, and they hand out their info to another trusted person, though the first and third people hate each other. Thats part of the problem with giving out access.
iirc sandol was set to wartime access only. the solution to that was simple, raid, login abuse, raid ends.
from now on people, use the thing between your ears BEFORE posting. we need ideas, not xxxxxx posts that offer no assistance!
Please remember to be respectful to ALL posters on this forum. Just because an idea seems silly to you doesnt make it silly to everyone. We want to encourage creative flow, not embarass players so they never provide feedback again!
ShadowMasterCM
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Edited by ShadowMasterCM (10/13/11 11:05 AM)
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Berith
Newbie
Reged: 07/14/11
Posts: 1
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Re: BPer Permissions
[Re: stretch_mf]
#162298 - 10/13/11 05:48 AM (143.238.231.17)
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The problem will never completely be gone, what we need is a set of simple tools to allow effective support during times of war (and empire/faction management) but that do not have sufficient means of allowing abuse.
Considerations, the tools currently available already do this if used correctly.
Pilot logins should always be restricted to war time - there should be no or restricted risk of abuse
I.e. limited or nil access to higher functions, armory, funds transfers, unit scrapping.
Management logins should only ever be given to trusted friends - they would allow potential abuse but this could be limited in such ways as;
time out, i.e. valid for 30 days
limits on funds transfers, limits on scrapping by either number or bv or both
Some valid points have been raised, while the current system works - making it simpler would be an effective improvement.
i realise one of the above suggestions included 4 options, but even 2 would be okay.
from what ive seen, there are people you let pilot your stuff, and people you trust enough to give full access more or less.
such are my thoughts on the matter, the above wouldnt really require any additions to the existing system - just grouping permissions and setting defaults for the 2 options.
The other additions wouldnt ( i think ) be to hard to code in.
Berith
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