cbtgod
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SOI yep is stoopid SM
#164188 - 02/19/12 02:08 PM (72.77.197.22)
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so in a recent phone conv with SM it was brought up about number of zones larger empires can or do have. a tent empire will not defend all its zones is not poss. and some empires will use whats called throw away infra they just dont care. so why is it i cant unclaim zones i will not be using again? so i have a zone with a city can be any size city dsnt matter. you took this in a war, and took lets say another 20 zones with it. you have no plans on burning the zone but now you have the 20 extra zones. you cant unclaim the zones due to you control the SOI in this area. so why are you complaining again about empires with too many zones when its SOI?
SOI is well stoopid if i want to leave no zones attached that again should be MY choice. it should be MY choice if i wnat to defend it or not. not only can i not get rid of the extra 20 zones now i eat Administrative Overhead on top of that. you need to take a long look at this games real problems, that are have still not be resolved. we are talking years now? these issues just didnt pop up. they didnt sneak up on neveron. code fest was supposed to fix things? it didnt. now every nev day we get booted out of wars and some nice laggggggggg. this was supposed to be fixed with the new hardware? so i guess if the dp pool didnt get refunded. players would be again going like what the hell?
work on the things that have been, and still are issues for neveron for yrs now and everything else will fall in place. add new units when poss. ask for player input and ideas since they play the game not you SM? we havnt had a new unit added to this game in how long? but we have had plenty removed. give players back what seems to be taken away with every new thing added freedom of CHOICE. going back to looking at pretty colors. my bv that dsnt update. and to make sure the handcuffs on my empire are still on? l8rs DABOSS the above of cutting zones was to try and met SM half way on this problem not make a more stoopid tent empire poss.
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ShadowMasterCM
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: cbtgod]
#164296 - 02/21/12 10:39 AM (24.103.210.226)
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the issue of unclaiming zones 'stuck' in your SOI is not a new one. The only way to address that is to change the SOI in the area of those zones. This means another empire has to increase its SOI power, or your empire has to decrease its SOI power.
In the case of random tented cities, you simply burn the one city, manually update SOI in the other 19 zones around it, unclaim the other 19 zones, and then rebuild the one city
that allows you to still have that city, but unclaim the other surrounding zones based on current rules
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cbtgod
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#164300 - 02/21/12 10:56 AM (72.77.197.22)
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like i said stoopid thanx for clearing up another stoopid suggestion. of me having to bend over again for things you either wont look at or fix? who said it was a tent city?. it was act a lvl 4 non turd tent empire. keep up the good work. *thumbs up* l8rs DABOSS
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Protege
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: cbtgod]
#164649 - 03/05/12 10:23 AM (65.87.39.230)
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wel i thinc thaht cuming onliin an bein rood iz stoopid to. SM gaiv u ah gud anser an u r rood too hem abot hiz anser. i gues u shuld maiby juzt foler teh rools liek wii al due.
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cbtgod
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: Protege]
#164652 - 03/05/12 10:36 AM (72.77.197.22)
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its not being rude its being blunt. and the answer was as always an SM one which just side steps any real way to fix the issue. the issue in a phone conversation was large empires are the reason for nevs lag. thats a quote. this is due to the amount of zones empires have. my complaint aboiut soi was to try and meet SM half way on the zone issue. not make more tents. no player should be forced to keep zones for units allowed if you dont plan to have units there? you then have to eat admin costs for nothing. SMs fix is to burn your builds then rebuild them after you unclaim you unwanted or needed soi zones? so lets say you have stacked tc zone with 8 tcs but its stuck in an old school block zone with around 100-150 zones but you really only need a 3rd of those for poss def for your tcs. so im supposed to uhhhhhhhhhhh burn 8tcs and redp and or build them right? lmfao *thumbs up* keep up the good work SM! l8rs DABOSS
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ghostrider
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: cbtgod]
#164656 - 03/05/12 12:29 PM (70.173.25.223)
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If you want to go into reality, no solvent nation would have zones scattered across the world. It would be like england claiming las angeles, paris, rome, and a few others, while the us claims london, bejin, normandy, and such, all the while, they dont own the suburbs. You would NOT be able to support those cities properly, especially if you didnt have claim to the land around them.
Maybe they should expand soi and start making cities LOSE pop and such as people start realizing that even with a good guard in the city, they are still extremely vulnerable to attack, or even criminals from the surrouding areas.This would be for the city that doesnt have soi. Think of the amount of land a zone is supposed to cover. Things like fresh water is and issue. Simply stopping any flowing water, or drilling wells in the area of the cities of another nation and draining their fresh water would be a good way of forcing the other nation to have to continue bringing in fresh supplies every day would really force the econonic question, is it worth it?
And since they game doesnt have anti air defenses or the ability to enforce a no fly zone, you can ship things in without interference.
I hate the idea of being forced into playing the game a certain way. I also understand that the game needs some forcing to avoid the current exploitation of the rules. People say things shouldnt be coded, but relying on them to do what right isnt working at all. I still havent seen people volentarily shrinking and condensing their empires. Until its coded, they wont.
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mattbuck
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: ghostrider]
#164661 - 03/05/12 02:04 PM (128.243.253.104)
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Ghostrider, you do realise how many little territories and things Britain still controls right? And don't get me started on all those US military bases...
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Phred
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: mattbuck]
#164665 - 03/05/12 02:40 PM (161.184.189.112)
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*** Post deleted by mattbuck, due to personal attacks. ***
Edited by mattbuck (03/05/12 03:56 PM)
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ghostrider
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: Phred]
#164686 - 03/06/12 12:45 AM (70.173.25.223)
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that is right matt. they have lots across the world.. How much is it costing them to use them? Now lets put in ones like in Pakistan right now. How much is it costing to get supplies into the bases in that area without a real friendly country to send them through.
Now sending in supplies to an air base isnt that expensive, since they have the runway. Without a runway, you need to paradrop stuff. To get supplies out without a run way, ground shipping or helicopters are needed. If surrounded by hostiles, both become that much more expensive. The more land around the base you have, the easier it is to move items. Even storage comes into effect.
And I think daboss has forgotten part of why the admins need to keep soi owned zones owned by the largest soi. To prevent mech zones in the middle of large empires, or even single city empires. This is but a piece of the needed coding to try to avoid this issue. Too bad people have found ways around it.
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cbtgod
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: ghostrider]
#164689 - 03/06/12 05:57 AM (72.77.197.22)
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no that wasnt my point ghost my point was we are not allowed the choice with out burning and rebuilding to get rid of unneeded zones with soi we dont plan to use. not to make it easy for turds to make tent empires. id be happy if i was charged some kind of fee per zone. so i cany get rid of the 25% of my 6600 zones i dont need but im forced to have due to soi? this would lower my admin costs and is supposed to errrrr lol help with nevs lag so ive been told lol? l8rs DABOSS
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Rodon
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: cbtgod]
#164697 - 03/06/12 05:06 PM (68.47.52.133)
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Kituwhaga is the largest land holder on Nev. I have tried to un-claim zones many times, but then I end up with a crazy quiltwork of scattered zones or nothing un-claims. SOI is broke, but do you really want SM making more sudden changes?
Think about it.
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ghostrider
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: Rodon]
#164717 - 03/07/12 10:43 AM (70.173.25.223)
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Ive got more then a few zones i cannt get rid of. They are too far outside someone elses soi to be effected. And since the game goes by the last person with soi to determine the ability to unclaim them, i am currently stuck with a few, or so it was the last time i checked them.
Yes, thats even clicking on them AFTER the city was burned.
From the way it sounds, you are describing the very begining of tents. Having only the city zone and nothing else around it.
Yes, it bites having to have x zones per city. It makes it harder for those that will to hd/core/tent but not that much harder.
Just wait. If sm implements the autoclaim zones like it was talked about, you will be owning even more zones.
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buc
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: ghostrider]
#164723 - 03/07/12 01:56 PM (219.89.140.105)
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Yup. We'll login one day to find we have had our zone numbers doubled. Then login to #neveron, and if we're lucky, there might be someone talking about that feature having been turned on.
SM will tell us, that he did mention it would happen some time in that past couple of years, and to stop complaining about it. Quit if you dont like it!
Of course, there will be no updates
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Rodon
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Re: SOI yep is stoopid SM
[Re: buc]
#164725 - 03/07/12 02:22 PM (68.47.52.133)
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LOL, If my zones double there won't be room for anyone else's to do so.
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