ATN082268
06/04/13 11:58 PM
69.129.18.69
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Type/Model: Bullseye
Tech: Clan / 3072
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Mass: 100 tons
Power Plant: 300 XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
3 Large Pulse Lasers
2 Streak SRM 6s
1 Angel ECM Suite
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Bullseye
Mass: 100 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 50 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 300 XL Fusion 1 9.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 4.75
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 30 Single 0 20.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 5.00
Crew: 7 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.80
Sponson Turret Equipment: 0 .60
Armor Factor: 335 pts Ferro-Fibrous 1 17.45
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 10 75
Left / Right Sides: 10 70/70
Rear: 10 60
Turret: 10 60
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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3 Large Pulse Lasers Turret 30 3 18.00
1 Streak SRM 6 Lf_Spon 0 10 2 3.67
1 Streak SRM 6 Rt_Spon 0 10 1 3.67
1 Angel ECM Suite Body 0 1 1.50
1 Targeting Computer 1 4.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment Body 0 .00
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 .00
1 Trailer Hitch Rear 1 1.00
Cargo Bay Capacity Body 1 .07
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TOTALS: 30 13 100.00
Items & Tons Left: 12 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 20,454,800 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,654
Cost per BV: 12,366.87
Weapon Value: 4,121 / 3,799 (Ratio = 2.49 / 2.30)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 50; MRDmg = 37; LRDmg = 21
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 0 / 13
Damage PB/M/L: 6/6/4, Overheat: 0
Class: GA; Point Value: 17
Specials: ecm
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Reiter
06/05/13 01:20 AM
142.11.67.185
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thumbs up, not bad. I kind of like this one. Armor is just a few tons lighter then would I would prefer but at least its not a 200 ton monster again with a hunchback worth of armor on it.
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ATN082268
06/05/13 10:40 AM
69.129.18.69
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Thanks. I could have gotten rid of the secondary weapons for more armor but I like at least some weapons that aren't in the main turret.
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ATN082268
06/05/13 11:43 AM
69.129.18.69
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OK, downgraded the Streak 6s to Streak 4s to add a little more armor and some anti-infantry guns.
BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Type/Model: Bullseye II
Tech: Clan / 3072
Config: Tracked Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Mass: 100 tons
Power Plant: 300 XL Fusion
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
3 Large Pulse Lasers
2 Streak SRM 4s
2 Light Machine Guns
1 Angel ECM Suite
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Bullseye II
Mass: 100 tons
Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 50 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 300 XL Fusion 1 9.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 4.75
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 30 Single 0 20.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 5.00
Crew: 7 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 1.80
Sponson Turret Equipment: 0 .45
Armor Factor: 373 pts Ferro-Fibrous 1 19.43
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 10 90
Left / Right Sides: 10 74/74
Rear: 10 65
Turret: 10 70
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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3 Large Pulse Lasers Turret 30 3 18.00
1 Streak SRM 4 Lf_Spon 0 10 2 2.40
1 Light Machine Gun Lf_Spon 0 20 2 .35
1 Streak SRM 4 Rt_Spon 0 10 1 2.40
1 Light Machine Gun Rt_Spon 0 20 1 .35
1 Angel ECM Suite Body 0 1 1.50
1 Targeting Computer 1 4.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment Body 0 .00
1 Trailer Hitch Front 1 .00
1 Trailer Hitch Rear 1 1.00
Cargo Bay Capacity Body 1 .07
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TOTALS: 30 16 100.00
Items & Tons Left: 9 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 20,375,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,608
Cost per BV: 12,671.27
Weapon Value: 4,063 / 3,830 (Ratio = 2.53 / 2.38)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 44; MRDmg = 35; LRDmg = 21
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 0 / 14
Damage PB/M/L: 5/5/4, Overheat: 0
Class: GA; Point Value: 16
Specials: ecm
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Karagin
06/05/13 11:44 AM
50.36.82.183
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Okay having done a similar armed tank before you are paying WAY to much for the heat sinks, now granted that is a failing of the rules, but still it is a noticed defect. Same reasons I try not to use the ER Large Laser if I can avoid it. You can shave the armor down to about 8 tons and still have decent protection and possible use the saved weight to give this thing some secondary weapons. MGs or AMS or something. Angle ECM is nice, but given how crappy the ECM rules are in BT it's not the end all of close in defense.
Streaks are nice, but this one would do better with the standard SRM launchers vs the Streaks, mainly because of the ability to use infernos and possible NARCs, which an IS user would indeed want to use. Also check the rules, TargComps and Pules lasers no longer work together as they once did so you lost the ability to alpha with this thing and get all the extras of a -3 to the hit roll. So dropping the TargComp might be a good idea or if you want it changing out the main weapons to say Autocannons or something lower in heat.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
06/05/13 11:45 AM
50.36.82.183
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It doesn't need more armor again same comments as above that I made about the Pulse lasers and the targcomp and the heat. You can still ditch the streaks and have better flexibility with the launchers.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
06/05/13 11:46 AM
50.36.82.183
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What secondaries? Your vehicle has 3 lasers and some SRMs, what secondaries? The second posting has some, but you drop any of them you are back to the basic vehicle. Let me ask this what is your design theory when you make your vehicles?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ATN082268
06/05/13 12:19 PM
69.129.18.69
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Quote:
Okay having done a similar armed tank before you are paying WAY to much for the heat sinks, now granted that is a failing of the rules, but still it is a noticed defect. Same reasons I try not to use the ER Large Laser if I can avoid it. You can shave the armor down to about 8 tons and still have decent protection and possible use the saved weight to give this thing some secondary weapons. MGs or AMS or something. Angle ECM is nice, but given how crappy the ECM rules are in BT it's not the end all of close in defense.
Streaks are nice, but this one would do better with the standard SRM launchers vs the Streaks, mainly because of the ability to use infernos and possible NARCs, which an IS user would indeed want to use. Also check the rules, TargComps and Pules lasers no longer work together as they once did so you lost the ability to alpha with this thing and get all the extras of a -3 to the hit roll. So dropping the TargComp might be a good idea or if you want it changing out the main weapons to say Autocannons or something lower in heat.
Noted. I believe that you still get the bonus of -1 to hit with a targeting computer when using it with Pulse Lasers but you cannot target a specific location. If that has changed, please let me know 
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ATN082268
06/05/13 12:24 PM
69.129.18.69
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Quote:
What secondaries? Your vehicle has 3 lasers and some SRMs, what secondaries? The second posting has some, but you drop any of them you are back to the basic vehicle. Let me ask this what is your design theory when you make your vehicles?
For me, I consider the main weapons the 3 Large Pulse Lasers and the secondary weapons are the Streaks (and MGs in the second version).
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Karagin
06/05/13 12:42 PM
50.36.82.183
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Okay guess if it works for you.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
06/05/13 12:44 PM
50.36.82.183
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From what I understand it's either the -2 for the pulse with location or just the -1 for the targeting computer no location targeting. Will double check, either way the rules changed so the idea of this thing lazing the battlefield is not going to happen with any sense of the old munchkin ideal of targ-pulse combos.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
06/22/13 08:46 PM
208.54.39.150
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The tank is WAY to heavy. I would ditch two of the LPL and heat sinks and instead of one tank buy three tanks with one LPL in each. Yes you will need more crews to man them but heck life is cheap weapons cost money!
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Karagin
06/22/13 09:00 PM
72.178.85.122
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Three does work better
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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