ErichRaulfestone
10/05/01 05:10 PM
141.211.174.236
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Hey Guys,
>
>Alot of people have different views of things that go on in this world, and
>some of them anger me and cause me to take action, while others I just
>ignore because they are just too far beneath me for a responce. But this is
>something I have had feelings on for years. I have read many things about
>what Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War and it saddened me to think that
>someone could be so blind to what was happening over there and allow
>themselves to be used in such a way. Now my father was a Marine over there,
>so I decided to asked my father about her this morning before he went to
>work. Now my father is a very mellow person these days and he has slowed
>down with age, but the look he gave me almost made me take a step back. He
>told me, in no uncertain terms, to never bring up the name of that traitor
>again in this house. I do not think Jane Fonda should should be on the list
>mentioned below and should be removed. I plan on following this up and
>finding out for certain about this planned event and if she will be
>honored.
>
>Larry "Highball" Leslie
>
>
>Subject: Re: Jane Fonda's Treason Not Forgotten
>
>I agree!!
>I usually don't forward stuff like this. Occasionally a joke, to evoke a
>smile. But this is not the first time I've heard this about Ms. Fonda. And
>the writer is correct, we should neither forget, nor honor such people.
>
>John
>
>NEVER FORGET!!
>
>Times change...Memories remain!
>Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."
>Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never
>known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific
>men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.
>
>The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
>Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former commandant of the USAF Survival
>School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a
>stinking
>cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in
>clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace
>Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms.
>Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, He
>fell
>forward upon the camp commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
>In
>'78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended
>his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a
>wooden
>baton.
>
>From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6
>years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action".
>His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the
>cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a peace delegation" visit.
>They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
>they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN
>on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
>cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
>encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are
>you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
>Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
>paper.
>She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once
>the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she
>Turned
>to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of papers.
>Three
>men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four
>but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that
>day.
>
>I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured
>by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for
>over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage
>in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese
>captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in
>a
>leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
>near
>the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My
>normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane
>Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if
>I
>would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to
>tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far
>different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and
>parroted
>by Jane Fonda, as humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days
>on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of
>steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms
>dipped.
>I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I
>was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She
>did not answer me.
>
>This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years
>of Great Women." Lest we forget... "100 years of great women" should never
>include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many
>patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but
>Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take
>the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will
>eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never
>forget.
>
>Charles (Skip) Klingman Asst. Professor of Music Southwestern Oklahoma
>State University, Weatherford, OK 73096 (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795
>
>If having Jane Fonda named one of the woman of the century bothers you
>as much as it does me, then mail this to everyone on your list
God and the soldier we adore, In time of danger, not before!
The danger passed, and all things righted, God is forgotten and the soldier slighted.
--unknown
Erich Raulfestone
Rangers, Lead the Way!
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
Isaiah 6:8
......and I went......
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DireWolf
10/07/01 02:05 PM
213.8.223.110
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-Private LeV "Dire Wolf" Arris, IDF.
"Fight hard for what you believe in. Because if you do not, you will wake up one day and realize that there is nothing left for you to believe."
-Lt. Lev (Res. Inf.) "Dire Wolf" Arris, IDF.
"What is it like fighting the Wolf ? Imagine a lightning with legs, an earthquake with arms, a catastrophe with genius or just pure hell on wheels".
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The_Nice_Guy
10/08/01 12:53 PM
137.132.3.5
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Such a sl*t should not be allowed to exist. Hang her.
How they selected the 100 greatest women of the century,Ill never know...
The Nice Guy
Beyond common courage. The mark of a true soldier.
Beyond common courage. The mark of a true soldier.
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Black_Phoenix
10/08/01 02:11 PM
207.252.105.204
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I've heard of some bad things done in history, but her actions are just F***ing sick. This is the first time I had heard of this and I find it to be one of the most horrific acts ever. God that makes me sick.
*There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved by a suitable application of Diplomacy, Compromise, and High Explosives or Tactical Nuclear Strikes.*
History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
-Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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Cray
10/08/01 02:30 PM
204.245.128.108
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Because of the particular earnest-I'm-telling-you-the-utter-truth writing style of this letter, the use of an explicit name on the letter ("look, you can verify me, so you don't need to look at all") and the way this particular post has ended up in my e-mail in-box before it was posted here, I'm inclined to look at this as an internet urban myth or internet slander until someone posts links to corroborating, unbiased sources.
***Don't get me wrong: I know Jane Fonda went to Vietnam on a peace-seeking visit and thereby ENRAGED a good portion of America. I know her actions came across as betrayal to many Americans, especially soldiers, because she sought peace and bad-mouthed the military for doing the job. But that same kind of anger is exactly the sort that leads to web slander about Nike (notorious for use of child labor) using the skin of human infants in its Air Jordans and Microsoft (evil for many reasons) will pay you $35 for forwarding a chain e-mail to a dozen of your nearest friends.
So, I suppose I should ask, did Jane Fonda actually visit POW camps?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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SoyBigHead
10/08/01 04:43 PM
24.7.190.124
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my father mentioned this to me when i was talking about how a ground war in afghanistan has potential to be another vietnam...
"no one, ever has the time, to listen to me, see right thru me, this is getting hard to face no one ever sees me fall, and no one cares at all, this will only make you strong" River City High, "No One Cares"
"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
-Mark Twain
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Cray
10/09/01 06:29 AM
204.245.128.108
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Thank you for the link. A fabricated chain e-mail like that seems so unnecessary - the truth about Jane Fonda is contemptuous enough.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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