redesigning the Bulldog for Retry

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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
03/17/14 10:42 PM
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Removing the Large Laser from the Bulldog
Dropping the large laser, heat sinks, and power amp total 13.5 tons
You can drop 35 tons from the Bulldog doing this.

ICE engine 240 23 tons to 100 7 tons loss 16 tons
Large Laser loss 5 tons
Heat sinks loss 8 tons
Power amp loss .5 tons
Turret loss .5 tons
IS 60 to 25 loss 3.5 tons
Control 60 to 25 loss 1.75 tons
Grand total loss of 35.25 tons
That will give you .25 tons to add something.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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Retry
03/17/14 10:43 PM
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I'd rather take the normal bulldog and upgrade it with a fusion engine.
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
03/17/14 10:51 PM
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That would be more costly that the original design.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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Retry
03/17/14 10:53 PM
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So? It needs it to be effective anyways.
ghostrider
03/17/14 11:55 PM
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only time fuel became an issue is when the designers figured they had to do something to cripple tanks.
without the worry of carrying fuel, what does it matter if you use an ice or a fusion engine on a tank if they have the same stats?
Is the armor the same? distributed the same?
Same weapons? same equipment?
Having a smaller price tag on a smaller frame isn't the worse thing a tank can have.

Granted when you aren't worried about the economics side of the game, then having all the updated stuff with the extras isn't an issue.
Now with that, why not use xl engines with everything, since you aren't paying for it?
Same with ecm. Got room? Use it.
Retry
03/17/14 11:56 PM
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ICE and fusion engines don't have the same stats.
Karagin
03/17/14 11:57 PM
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Are they same rated engine? is a 300 rated ICE the same as a 300 rated fusion?
Karagin

Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
ghostrider
03/18/14 12:02 AM
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the weight and price would be different, but yes and ice 300 would require a fusion 300.
Retry
03/18/14 12:33 AM
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Well yes, engine ratings would remain the same.
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
03/19/14 01:54 PM
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Bulldog part 1

tech Inner Sphere post 3050
tank weight 35
chassis type track
engine 140 ICE 10t
cruse speed 4
Flank speed 6
Lift/rotor/other none
control 1.75t
IS 3.5t

Armor IS/Armor 92 5.75t

Front 6/30
LT/RT 6/15
Back 6/7
Turret 6/25

Weapons/ammo placement weight
Large Laser turret 5t
turret .5t
8 heat sinks 8t
power amp .5t

Cost 432,225 C-Bills

Bulldog part 2

tech Inner Sphere post 3050
tank weight 25
chassis type track
engine 100 ICE 6t
cruse speed 4
Flank speed 6
Lift/rotor/other none
control 1.25t
IS 2.5t

Armor IS/Armor 112 7t

Front 6/35
LT/RT 6/20
Back 6/12
Turret 6/25

Weapons/ammo placement weight
2 SRM-4 turret 4t
turret .5t
2 SRM-4 ammo 2t
MG .5t
MG ammo (50) .25t
Infantry 1t

Cost 413,646 C-Bills

I went and split the Bulldog into two vehicles a support tank with the Large Laser and a scraper with the two SRM-4s I was really surprised that the two tanks put together where as high as 68.8% of the cost of the original Bulldog. I would have thought there would have been a bigger gap between the two. I wanted to keep the grand total of the two tanks at the same weight as the original Bulldog
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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ghostrider
03/19/14 07:39 PM
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engines and weapons are the big expense for that particular tank.

And the price isn't that bad considering you have 2 tanks.
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
03/19/14 09:00 PM
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The weight modifier does not help with cost for bigger vehicles.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
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Retry
03/19/14 10:06 PM
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Decent budget tanks, but neither feels like a Bulldog.
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
03/27/14 10:13 PM
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By splitting the Bulldog Part 2s two SRM-4s into four SRM-2s I was able to save 100,000 C-Bills so the new cost is cut down to 313,646 C-Bills. That brings the two tanks to 60.9% of the original Bulldog price.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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TigerShark
03/28/14 02:51 AM
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5/8 Bulldog is possible with the Fuel Cell engine...

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Bulldog Heavy Tank (Fuel Cell)

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-D-D
Production Year: 0
Cost: 2,137,600 C-Bills
Battle Value: 741

Power Plant: 300 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor: Standard Armor
Armament:
1 Large Laser
2 SRM-4s
1 Machine Gun
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 30 points 6.00
Engine: Fuel-Cell Engine 300 23.00
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 8 7.00
Control Equipment: 3.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Power Amplifiers: 0.50
Turret: 1.00
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 120 7.50

Armor
Factor
Front 28
Left/Right 22/22
Turret 26
Rear 22

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine Gun FR 0 1 0.50
2 SRM-4s T 6 2 4.00
Large Laser T 8 1 5.00
@SRM-4 (50) BD - 0 2.00
@MG (1/2) (100) BD - 0 0.50

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 4 Points: 7
5 1 1 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: EE, SRM 1/1/0


TigerShark
03/28/14 02:59 AM
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Double the cost, but the survival rate goes up with increased speed. You could also reduce engine size and go for a PPC or Binary Laser variant...

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Code:
Bulldog Medium Tank (Blazer)

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-E
Production Year: 0
Cost: 1,874,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 665

Power Plant: 240 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor: Standard Armor
Armament:
1 Binary Laser Cannon
2 SRM-2s
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 30 points 6.00
Engine: Fuel-Cell Engine 240 14.00
Cruise MP: 4
Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 16 15.00
Control Equipment: 3.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Power Amplifiers: 1.00
Turret: 1.50
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 104 6.50

Armor
Factor
Front 24
Left/Right 20/20
Turret 20
Rear 20

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Binary Laser Cannon T 16 1 9.00
2 SRM-2s T 4 2 2.00
@SRM-2 (100) BD - 0 2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 7
4 2 2 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: EE


His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
12/16/16 03:23 AM
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After being gone for a good part of a year I decided to be a royal pain in the donkey by bringing up my old posts from the morgue and set loss some old post zombies. *Evil braying!!!*

I will see you again in another year or so
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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