Toro TR-A-15

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Karagin
04/12/14 03:18 PM
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               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Toro TR-A-15
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design

Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Humanoid Mk. VI TR Endo Steel
Power Plant: 210 Magna XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Ecto-Mineral Armorplate 2 Standard
Armament:
1 PPC
2 LRM 5s
2 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Taurus WarWorks
Location: Taurus
Communications System: VeraTech MilCom Suite 3
Targeting & Tracking System: VeraTech MechTnT XVT20S

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Type/Model: Toro TR-A-15
Mass: 35 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 58 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine: 210 XL Fusion 12 4.50
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 6 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA R: Sh+UA+LA+H 15 .00
Armor Factor: 104 pts Standard 0 6.50

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 11 14
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 8 10/10
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 10/10
L/R Leg: 8 14/14

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 PPC LA 10 3 7.00
1 LRM 5 RT 2 48 3 4.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 Medium Laser RT 3 1 1.00
1 LRM 5 LT 2 1 2.00
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00
CASE Equipment: LT RT 2 1.00
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TOTALS: 20 67 35.00
Crits & Tons Left: 11 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 5,357,880 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 986 (old BV = 837)
Cost per BV2: 5,433.96
Weapon Value: 878 / 878 (Ratio = .89 / .89)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 20; MRDmg = 12; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 6, Armor/Structure: 3/1
Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/2, Overheat: 0
Class: ML; Point Value: 10
Karagin

Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
ghostrider
04/12/14 09:27 PM
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better version of the panther mech. I like it. A fire support mech with some kick.
Retry
04/12/14 10:01 PM
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That's bound to occur, with the DHS and XLE and Endo-Steel and such.
Karagin
04/12/14 10:06 PM
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I wanted ARTIV on the LRMs but felt I had already gone way over board on the higher tech items.
Karagin

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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/13/14 08:54 AM
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Why not a ERPPC? You have the heat sinks for it.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.

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Karagin
04/13/14 12:13 PM
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Didn't feel it needed it. Was trying to improve the other areas over just upgrading the PPC.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 02:14 PM
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The two medium lasers would be made redundant with an ERPPC.
Karagin
04/13/14 02:25 PM
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And I don't feel it needs the ERPPC...
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 02:29 PM
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It technically doesn't *need* the PPC at all.
Karagin
04/13/14 02:48 PM
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Retry where are you going with this?

It has enough heat sinks to cover firing it's weapons and moving, it works out well enough given it's weight to allow the alpha strike without being munchy, as some designs tend to be with that ability and it has some drawbacks as well. So what is your point over all about going with an ERPPC and losing two lasers cause I can't see a logical need for that to happen, not saying it can't at some point but just not seeing it, since not every mechs needs to upgrade the weapons just because it uses double heat sinks.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 02:50 PM
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It wouldn't be detrimental and would in fact benefit the mech. Just admit that at the least.
Karagin
04/13/14 02:56 PM
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No it would not benefit the mech, I did not want to go the route of swapping out weapons just because I used DHS. IF you want to use an ERPPC, then build your own version.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 02:57 PM
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Own Version:
Install ERPPC. Voila. Better mech on demand.
Karagin
04/13/14 02:58 PM
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And that is nice, but I doubt you could build given the issues with your design program, so moving on to other things do you have anything useful to add to the design?
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 03:00 PM
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You doubt my capabilities of swapping one component with a superior yet similar component?
Karagin
04/13/14 03:03 PM
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I doubt a lot of things and the one I do doubt is the design program you are using, but seeing how that and your comments are not adding to the topic here, I suggest we move on.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 03:05 PM
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Along with everyone else who agreed, it has added the revelation that making the PPC an ER version would drastically improve it's capabilities at a cost of only making it a bit hot.
Karagin
04/13/14 03:10 PM
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And as I said Retry, in case you missed it, which it sounds like you did, I did not want to go the route of using the ERPPC, which you can refer to my reasons as to why above, which I suggest you actually read versus going with your own singular opinion.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 03:16 PM
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Quote:
Karagin writes:

No it would not benefit the mech



This is a blatant lie.
Karagin
04/13/14 03:19 PM
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In your opinion Retry in your opinion and I am going to ask one time, stop with this now. If you don't like that I am not taking your opinion as the sole way of doing things, then I suggest you get over it, but if you want to continue down this road, well I am sure you can figure out that it won't end well and if you feel you need to challenge anyone I suggest you fire up your computer and play your anger out against the AI in your flawed game of MegaMek.
Karagin

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Retry
04/13/14 03:41 PM
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How hypocritical of you. Whatever I say is irrelevant because you don't feel like it and you just wave it off as opinions no matter how rational or reasonable it is. Of course, you don't honor your own words, as you've done so yourself countless times yourself, even if your method was based faultily.(Example:That Mk.I Eyeball crap making VSS stealth irrelevant? Cray himself had to intervene to set the thread straight.)
KamikazeJohnson
04/13/14 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Retry writes:

The two medium lasers would be made redundant with an ERPPC.



On a heavier 'Mech, it's almost always worth upgrading a single PPC to an ERPPC, because the increased heat won't affect short-range capability (enough dedicated short-range to max out the heat sinks). In this case however, the ERPPC comes with some major tradeoffs. In Karagin's original version, the PPC goes "both ways"; heat dissipation is sufficient to handle the PPC and lasers at close range. This 'Mech is well advised to avoid close combat if possible, but even so, the PPC is still good at range 3, decent at 2 (no worse than at 7-12), really only getting "bad" at range 1. The ERPPC improves long-range performance, but in close loses the ability to sustain use of the ERPPC and lasers together; in fact, one of the lasers may as well be removed if an ERPPC is used. I think the ER still would come out on top, as this 'Mech should be fighting primarily at range, but the close-range versatility helps offset that.

I'd actually be more likely to trade the PPC for an ERLL if I decided to upgrade the weapons...the superior range brackets help make up for the reduction in damage (compared to the standard PPC), and frees up 2 tons for other uses.
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CrayModerator
04/13/14 04:49 PM
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Quote:
Retry writes:

The two medium lasers would be made redundant with an ERPPC.



With 20 heat capacity, 2 medium lasers would be a nice supplement to an ER PPC for close-in fighting.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer

Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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