Retry
05/28/14 02:08 AM
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Groundhog Tank Destroyer
IS advanced
55 tons
BV: 1,364
Cost: 6,757,483 C-bills
Movement: 4/6 (Tracked)
Engine: 220 XL
Internal: 30
Armor: 224 (Vehicular Stealth)
Internal Armor
Front 6 74
Right 6 40
Left 6 40
Rear 6 30
Turret 6 40
Weapons Loc Heat
Ultra AC/20 TU 8
Machine Gun FR 0
Machine Gun FR 0
Machine Gun RS 0
Machine Gun LS 0
Ammo Loc Shots
Ultra AC/20 Ammo BD 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo BD 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo BD 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo BD 5
Half Machine Gun Ammo BD 100
Equipment Loc
CASE BD
Guardian ECM Suite BD
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ghostrider
05/28/14 05:49 AM
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Curious, but ecm and stealth armor? Little redundant?
Other then that question, I looks like a nasty little tank.
10 rounds on full fire mode seems a little light, but then the range it would have to be in might be a little heavy on the ammo.
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Karagin
05/28/14 06:31 AM
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ECM has to be there for Stealth armor to work in BT, and why you would need stealth armor on a tank makes no sense, but hey this is Battletech...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
05/28/14 03:14 PM
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I thought it was already established that stealth armor isn't useless on vehicles.
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Cray
05/28/14 06:55 PM
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Hey, folks, I hope there's no resurrection of relatively recent arguments about stealth armor on vehicles.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
05/28/14 10:26 PM
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Now back to the vehicle, Ditch the 20 for a 10, you get more range and can add in other things to offer the vehicle, ditch the Stealth armor, not needed on this kind of vehicle.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
05/28/14 11:42 PM
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Had forgotten about the armor. Poor memory anymore...
I can see this vehicle being a city buster or something with lots of cover.
The ecm is good for not only it, but anything close to it, so it can be effective.
I like the 20, but a version with the 10 and maybe some lrms to back it up or even idf with might be a good idea. Pull the 10's back into the 20's.
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Retry
05/29/14 12:27 AM
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Counteroffer-For the increased range variant exchange the UAC20 for a gauss rifle and keep the stealth armor.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
05/29/14 02:44 AM
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It costs to much and you get to little for what your paying for.
I could buy a heavy mech instead of this for 6.75 mil.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Retry
05/29/14 03:11 AM
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You can't purchase an XL engine heavy mech of any value for 6.75 milion.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
05/29/14 03:22 AM
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No but you can buy a heavy mech that can have a Ultra 20 that moves 4-6 for around 6.75 mil
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Retry
05/29/14 03:25 AM
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Speaking of which, a mech with similar specs to the Groundhog would still cost about the same, even with a standard fusion engine. It lacks the machineguns and wastes a mech chassis, but...
(On a smaller note, if it jams it can't be unjammed by a mech. With vehicle crew advanced rules, it can.)
Warthog WTG-1A
IS TW non-box set
65 tons
BV: 1,632
Cost: 7,133,967 C-bills
Movement: 4/6
Engine: 260
Double Heat Sinks: 14 [28]
Gyro: Standard Gyro
Internal: 104
Armor: 211/211 (Stealth)
Internal Armor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 21 35
Center Torso (rear) 7
Right Torso 15 25
Right Torso (rear) 5
Left Torso 15 25
Left Torso (rear) 5
Right Arm 10 20
Left Arm 10 20
Right Leg 15 30
Left Leg 15 30
Weapons Loc Heat
Ultra AC/20 RT/RA 8
Ammo Loc Shots
Ultra AC/20 Ammo RT 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo RT 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo RT 5
Ultra AC/20 Ammo RT 5
Equipment Loc
Stealth
Guardian ECM Suite CT
CASE II RT
Edited by Retry (05/29/14 03:27 AM)
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ghostrider
05/29/14 07:26 AM
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The gauss rifle variant could work as well. No counter offer needed. It is your tank. I was just seeing if other possibilities could work with it.
I really dislike the ac 20 going out of favor because of the crappy range anymore. Too much weight, with too little range with the new weapons systems. The srms have not increased in range, but still very viable because of the lighter weights.
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