Hairbear541
06/27/14 11:54 AM
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what are the ratios for the three jumpcore.
1- standard/civilian
2- compact/military
3- subcompact/military
since I finally got the stats on the much alluded to aquilla class I want to do a little reworking to it to further militarize it as a lite escort for standard jumpships .
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Cray
06/27/14 06:39 PM
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Hairbear541 writes:
what are the ratios for the three jumpcore.
1- standard/civilian
95% of ship mass.
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2- compact/military
45.25% of ship mass.
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3- subcompact/military
50% of ship mass.
The Aquilla uses a primitive KF core outside the above rules. I believe its core, with a 15 light-year range, is 50% of ship's mass, but that's specific to the Aquilla.
Note that the Aquilla is unlikely to be around in the 31st and 32nd centuries to escort ships, as it is a 22nd Century ship. Standard KF cores are a product of the 24th and 25th Centuries. However, a WarShip of the same size would be plausible in many eras.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hairbear541
06/27/14 07:24 PM
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since the MoC now has a shipyard they are supposed to be building more Aquilla's along with other jumpships. so , l would assume they would now use 0ne of the three jumpcore sizes , depending on weither its a civilian yersion or a militarized version . it would give them a choice of a freighter/exploration vessel or a commerce raider/escort vessel for standard jumpships . for the militarizes version use compactcore , uprate the drive , use modern armor , sub-cap weapons ,4 asf , 4 sc or bus,s . you would have a decent q-ship . thanks for the info , most of my books are still in storage 700 miles away
cray you always give well thought out answers to our questions, but since the main bt site says the MoC now is building jumpships , one would assume the Aquilla would be a good bet to be built but with modern innovations incorporated into the build. so that is the assumption I am going on. thanks again for the help.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
06/27/14 09:15 PM
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I have wondered why 45 and a that quarter. BT loves round numbers and then they went and throw in that quarter of a percent. What not just have it at 45%?
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
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Cray
06/28/14 08:21 AM
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey writes:
I have wondered why 45 and a that quarter. BT loves round numbers and then they went and throw in that quarter of a percent. What not just have it at 45%?
I have no idea. I work with the aerospace crew on upcoming BT publications, and that's never been explained. I'd guess it was some attempt to work backwards from the TR:2750 WarShips (which were written with no stats) to some sort of rules for WarShips in Battlespace.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
06/28/14 03:03 PM
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Hairbear541 writes:
since the MoC now has a shipyard they are supposed to be building more Aquilla's along with other jumpships. so , l would assume they would now use 0ne of the three jumpcore sizes ,
What book(s) or links indicate that the Magistracy of Canopus is building Aquillas in the modern era? Objectives: Periphery lists every significant item that the major Periphery states are building and Aquillas are not one of them. All the Technical Readouts and Experimental Technical Readouts are quiet on the Aquilla and MoC in the current era, as is the "Major Periphery States" handbook.
Aquillas do get a mention with MoC in XTRO:Primitives I, but that was during the Reunification War in the 2500s. The (first) Star League stripped the Periphery of their major aerospace facilities after winning that war and never let them rebuild. The major Periphery states were enslaved to Inner Sphere industry during the Star League, so they fell hard when the Succession Wars nuked the Inner Sphere's industry.
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cray you always give well thought out answers to our questions, but since the main bt site says the MoC now is building jumpships , one would assume the Aquilla would be a good bet to be built but with modern innovations incorporated into the build.
MoC is building standard core JumpShips, yes. it is not building anything like compact cores or the Aquilla, which are very different beasts. Do you have a link to the part of the main website that says the Aquilla is being built in the modern era in MoC?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
Edited by Cray (06/28/14 05:29 PM)
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Hairbear541
06/28/14 06:52 PM
151.213.99.64
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cray i'll have to go to the main BT site forums , but I think it was either in the aerospace section or periphery where it was being talked about . let me do some more checking back there and i'll let you know who it talking about the subject .
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Cray
06/28/14 10:53 PM
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Hairbear541 writes:
cray i'll have to go to the main BT site forums , but I think it was either in the aerospace section or periphery where it was being talked about . let me do some more checking back there and i'll let you know who it talking about the subject .
Please do, and please provide a link, but note that the Periphery and Aerospace forums of bg.battletech.com are fan forums, not official. My own searches of those forums have turned up some threads of people speculating that MoC (and other Periphery states) could build those ships, but fan speculation is not canon.
An official answer may be had by perusing the books (see the titles I named earlier), or by asking on the bg.battletech.com's Ask the Line Developer forum.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hairbear541
06/30/14 10:23 PM
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evening cray , it has taken me a while to go back through the the periphery section on the main bt site , you were right m, it was just speculation on what was being built by the MoC . sorry about getting your dander up , but I still think the aquilla class would make nearly the perfect jumpship escort or lite commerce raider if uprated with modern tech , ie ,compact jumpcore , uprated transit drive , a whole new weapons suite so forth and so on . being ex-navy I can see it's potential .
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ghostrider
07/01/14 03:29 AM
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Why not put up your version in the designs area? Might give them the extra push needed to look it over.
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Cray
07/01/14 06:17 PM
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Hairbear541 writes:
but I still think the aquilla class would make nearly the perfect jumpship escort or lite commerce raider if uprated with modern tech , ie ,compact jumpcore , uprated transit drive , a whole new weapons suite so forth and so on . being ex-navy I can see it's potential .
Oh, I agree. It'd be a perfect chassis for a corvette.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hairbear541
07/01/14 10:26 PM
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cray have you ever been to a naval shipyard when they do a FRAM(fleet rehabilitation and maintence) evolution on one of the older combatants . it is truly amazing watching the old girl getting stripped down to her bare bones and being rebuilt from the ground up . these full conversions will give her another 40 to 50 years of life as basically a brand new class of ship . all new com gear , propulsion plant(COoG) ie combination high pressure oil fired boilers for cruising/ with gas turbine for high speed maneuvering , new weapons suite dual 5in/38 cal main gun ,box launchers for sea scimming cruise missles ,and a single arm standard ARAM/AAM launcher ,target acquisition gear ,another box launcher for ASROC . it' a beautiful sight .
that is why I see so much potential in a lot of the older BS designs to be sent through their own FRAMming . get the most out of the older vessels you have got .
now if I could just get all my books out of storage up in ohio and get them here to nc i would show you what I mean .
been nice throwing ideas your way . time is now 2124 hrs , about time to check quarters and sign of for a while .
have a blessed evening all
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Cray
07/02/14 06:39 PM
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Hairbear541 writes:
cray have you ever been to a naval shipyard when they do a FRAM(fleet rehabilitation and maintence) evolution on one of the older combatants .
15 years of working for defense contractors, including a Navy contractor who worked with shipyards and...no, no I haven't been to a shipyard. I also missed a chance to see the huge drag tanks at Carderock and a tour of a nuclear sub despite offers. "Next time, next time, I'm busy today." Then I had a different job in a different state with no chances to crawl around cool Navy ships and facilities.
I have been to an Air Logistics Center (Oklahoma, Tinker) where they were stripping down old B-1's, B-52s, and KC-135s for inspections. Getting to stand on the back of a B-52 and look down a row of warbirds in a big hangar for overhaul was pretty cool, but probably not as awesome as a shipyard.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hairbear541
07/02/14 11:07 PM
71.30.111.116
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cray , so you are familiar with what i'm talking about just on a smaller scale . one of my uncles retired a lt gen from sac in thr 70's after 35 yrs of first test piloting buff and then with one of the strategic bomber wings . so i'm familiar with the af , army and navy . it is nice to chat with someone familiar with the military ,up close and personnel and not just a book bound tech type , but someone who has laid hands on the equipment that helps to keep us free . you can't be every where you might want to be , but that's life . but you still know more about things than the average joe blow down the block . i'll chat with you again on the morrow .
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
07/03/14 12:20 AM
172.56.30.63
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If you want to talk shop with military personal talk with Karagin he is in the army. I think he is a non commissioned officer. I could be wrong on that.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
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But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Hairbear541
07/03/14 10:30 AM
69.40.62.69
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to HMRHD , when people have certain areas of commonality of knowedge you can tell when your being feed a line of BS or fact . so i'm not trolling , just expressing thoughts about the game in general and some life experiences that might have relevance to the game when trans posed into it . it makes the game more life like and interesting when said life experience is applied to the game . and yes i'm sure there are other vets or active duty personnel who browse this site but just haven't said word one yet . officers , ncos and enlisted all know one thing , there all the same at the most basic level and all can get their buts blown away .
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
07/03/14 01:53 PM
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HUH!?! I have no idea where you got the idea I was accusing you of trolling from me pointing out someone on list that is in the military and you two might have common interest to talk about.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Hairbear541
07/03/14 10:01 PM
151.213.98.198
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to HMRHD , i'm sorry if i misinterpreted what you were talking about , and maybe some of what i said was inappropriate and i apologize . lets both of us cool our jets and go back to square one . in the post you made a comment about all i was trying to say was it is good to have someone who knows you aren't trying to blow smoke up their minus x because they have some common experiences that are translatable to some of their own . and yes i'm familiar with kagarin : he makes quite afew very good warships though a little bit to top heavy in main armaments and not enough secondary , tirsiary or quadrary batteries to keep those annowing assault ds or buzzing asf at a respectable distance , but generally good solid designs . so i apologize again and hope you don't come out swinging again , it would be bad for both of us to be banded from this site over a stupid misunderstanding , so how about it , peace and all that or war and banishment for both of us .
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