PPC vs Large Laser in all their various versions.

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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
11/19/14 12:20 PM
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Heck why not start it now.

I see the advantages to both base modals.
Large Laser: lighter and no min range.
PPC: a little bit more damage at a little longer range.

With the IS ER modals.
I don't really like the ER PPC it does not improve anywhere as much as the ER Large Laser does.

Clan ER modals
ER Large Laser; a great deal more improvement in range.
ER PPC; better range than base PPC and you cant complain of doing just under a ton of armor damage with each hit.

So in Base modals it would be if I have the weight and heat sinks to have the PPC that would be a big deciding factor in which I go with.

In IS ER I would go with the ER Large Laser.

In Clan ER it would depend if I want the range of the ER Large Laser or the hitting power of the ER PPC.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
11/19/14 12:23 PM
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This should have been posted in the General thread board. I was not thinking straight.

Cray can you please move it to the General thread board.
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ghostrider
11/19/14 02:29 PM
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I guess the clan erll would be ok. Enough damage to eliminate an enemy mech in one hit, barring the hardened armor, which should never have come about.

And yes the normal ppc has the minimum range, so has that hole as well.
But as I said in another thread, the normal large laser just seems lackluster compared to other weapons.
The medium does 5 points for 3 heat, and small is 3/1. But the large is 8/8 with less range then it should have. Maybe some better range, or less heat might work, but as is, it just seemed like a poor choice that was forced on people at the time. With the erml's out, it really falls into a bad spot.

That is not to say the extra heat sinks needed to fire the ppc everyone is something everyone can get. The minimum is a real pain especially when it is the one main weapon you have, like the panther, and you deal with hard to hit mechs, like a jumping spider.
I don't know why, but the normal large laser had never really been a good choice in my opinion.

Now how about all the rest of the users weigh in.
KamikazeJohnson
11/20/14 01:23 AM
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The 3025 era suffered from a severe lack of "Medium" weapons; very little between the Medium Laser and "Heavy Weapons" like the PPC and Autocannons. The Large Laser was the closest, but at 5 tons, and more importantly, at 8 heat, it fell a lot closer to the "Heavy" category. IMHO, the Light PPC would have been a perfect bridge for that era. Still, the Large Laser provided a somewhat lighter alternative to the PPC or AC/5, making it a good Heavy Weapon for Light and Medium 'Mechs.

Overall, I feel the two are fairly well balanced; true, the PPC overshadows the Large Laser in Range and Damage, but taking into account the higher Heat and the extra 2 tons required, the Large Laser is clearly the better buy for close range. On a carefully-balanced 'Mech, the Large Laser (+ 2 tons) can result in a much more versatile design.

One of the biggest advantages of the Large Laser on a lighter 'Mech is the 8 Heat...LL + Run = 10 Heat...no additional Heat Sinks need to be installed to use the LL as the primary Long Range weapon on a 'Mech.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
12/12/14 01:30 PM
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I bet there would not be this argument of Large Laser to the PPC if the post 3050 weapons where a great deal more balanced to the 3025 weapons.

If there was no ER and pulse energy weapons or Double Heat Sinks in the post 3050 technology advancement would this discussion even be taking place?
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KamikazeJohnson
12/12/14 01:39 PM
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Quote:
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey writes:

I bet there would not be this argument of Large Laser to the PPC if the post 3050 weapons where a great deal more balanced to the 3025 weapons.

If there was no ER and pulse energy weapons or Double Heat Sinks in the post 3050 technology advancement would this discussion even be taking place?



That's kinda the point...the inspiration for this thread was a comparison between the PPC and the ER Large Laser...in many ways, the ERLL is actually superior.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
12/12/14 02:14 PM
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Quote:
KamikazeJohnson writes:

That's kinda the point...the inspiration for this thread was a comparison between the PPC and the ER Large Laser...in many ways, the ERLL is actually superior.



Comparing the PPC to the ERLL is like comparing a black power musket to an assault rifle. The newer technology will be superior in almost every way.
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ghostrider
12/12/14 05:54 PM
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It was supposed to be regular weapon to regular weapon, er to er. There were bound to be some cross over.

The er laser became a little better for range, and striking power upped to be decent. At least the clan versions. The innersphere ones the range is nice for both, but the heat without damage is crap.
I will concede the erll become a nice clan weapon. The pulse weapons can be very nice as well with the increased ability to hit. The range and damage are ok, but for striking power, the erppc still has it.
Now that the range is less, puts it in the less used pile, but still seems a favorite to alot of people.
Most omnis seem to use the erppc over the erll. If they were range specialist, this should be the other way around.
Akalabeth
02/04/15 02:45 AM
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The ER LL is superior to the PPC in many ways, I calculate it to be 23.6% more accurate than the PPC with an additional hex of range.

The one thing the PPC has going for it is the ability to pierce a mech's head armour. And also arguably the ability for a pair of PPCs to cause a piloting skill roll (or a PPC + AC/10). A Large laser paired with most weapons will need an additional two weapons to hit to cause a roll but a PPC is halfway there. Of course that's very situation but notable.

Still, I'd take the PPC over an ER LL.
His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/04/15 11:08 AM
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The idea behind this thread was to compare the base LL to the base PPC, or the IS ERLL to the IS ERPPC, or Clan ERLL to the Clan ERPPC and so and so forth.

Let us keep things on an even footing by comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges please.
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