Drasnighta
04/03/15 06:11 PM
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model: Janus Ambush PPC JN-05-2
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 35 tons
Power Plant: 85 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 PPC
1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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==Overview:==
The Janus Ambush Vehicle is designed to be a Cheap, Effective ambush unit in
medium to rough terrain, the Janus has formed to be a flexible fighting unit.
==Capabilities:==
Armed with a Ceresarms Smasher PPC on its relatively light frame, the Janus is
capable of putting the hurt on BattleMechs of its approximate tonnage,
however, it is certainly designed to hit them from Range, from a protected
position, as it lacks both the armour for an extended slugfest, and the speed
and motive system to shoot-and-scoot.
==Variants:==
Two Main and two Sub variants exist of the Janus on the Drawing board.
The Main version of the Janus packs the PPC along with an Anti-Missile System
designed to protect it from missile armed light 'mechs such as the Jenner and
Commando - striking them from a favourable position and putting a hole in
them, hopefully getting them to turn around and go home.
The secondary variant switches the PPC out for a Large Pulse Laser, for
reduced damage and range, but massively increased accuracy.
Both sub-variants are the same as above, however, the Janus switches out the
Anti Missile System for a pair of Machine Guns to disperse approaching
infantry.
JN-05-2 (PPC, AMS) - BV2 450 - CBills 576,435
JN-05-2A (PPC, MG) - BV2 419 - CBills 468,923
JN-05-3 (LPL, AMS) - BV2 393 - CBills 547,060
JN-05-3A (LPL, MG) - BV2 362 - CBills 439,548
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Type/Model: Janus Ambush PPC JN-05-2
Mass: 35 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 16 pts Standard 0 3.50
Engine: 85 I.C.E. 0 5.00
Power Amplifiers: 0 .70
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 10.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 2.00
Crew: 3 Members 0 .00
Armor Factor: 80 pts Standard 0 5.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 4 29
Left / Right Sides: 4 19/19
Rear: 4 13
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 PPC Front 10 1 7.00
1 Anti-Missile System Front 0 12 2 1.50
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TOTALS: 10 3 34.70
Items & Tons Left: 9 .30
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 576,435 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 450 (old BV = 286)
Cost per BV: 1,280.97
Weapon Value: 141 / 141 (Ratio = .31 / .31)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 8; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 3W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 5
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ghostrider
04/03/15 07:12 PM
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It might be me, but an ambush unit sounds like something that hits hard from a close range. It is nice to see a ppc armed tank.
It is a shame that you need all those heat sinks to fire it.
One minor thing with the fluff. A jenner isn't as bad with missiles as a valkyrie is. But that is nitpicking. 
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Drasnighta
04/04/15 01:59 AM
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The experiment really started with what the smallest vehicle I could fit a PPC on to...
Originally, it was Tracked - but it ended up being more expensive with less armour... Curse that terrain coverage versus suspension!
The PPC certainly makes it mid-range. Able to ambush a Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Commando and really threaten them... Of course, their option at that point is to close to point blank, where hopefully, your backup Infantry become a menace.
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ghostrider
04/04/15 03:45 AM
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There should be a slight amend to the smallest vehicle. The smallest ice vehicle.
It does have a good punch with light mechs. Very possible to drop the lightest mechs with a single shot to a leg.
And curse the ice weighing so damn much.
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Drasnighta
04/04/15 10:26 AM
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I was going for under half a million cbills of I could, too... AMS is now the luxury package
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Retry
04/05/15 08:14 PM
76.7.225.145
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The PPC is a mid-to-long range weapon at intro-tech actually. The AC/10 is more of a mid-range weapon.
The problem with ICE vehicles mounting heavy energy weapons is that so many heat sinks are required to operate them, as well as power amplifiers. The net result is that many canon designs can be installed with a SFE engine, be downsized due to the regained heatsink and power amp weights(and further downsized as both the inherent lightness of the fusion engine and a decreasing engine rating for it's speed decrease weight as well), and end up cheaper than the ICE vehicle.
While not cheaper than your vehicle(yet not incredibly more costly), I made a design that fits the design specifications a bit better than the Janus. With a tracked motive system for operating in worse terrain, and a turreted PPC and superior speed makes it more versatile and effective.
SuperScorpion Light Tank
IS Introductory Box Set
25 tons
BV: 612
Cost: 654,167 C-bills
Movement: 5/8 (Tracked)
Engine: 125
Internal: 15
Armor: 112
Internal Armor
Front 3 34
Right 3 20
Left 3 20
Rear 3 12
Turret 3 26
Weapons Loc Heat
PPC TU 10
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Drasnighta
05/14/15 11:19 AM
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS
Type/Model: Janus Ambush H-PPC JN-05-4
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Mass: 35 tons
Power Plant: 85 DAV Fusion
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor Type: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Heavy PPC*
1 HPPC Capacitor*
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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A More radical redesign of the original Janus ballooned its cost almost up to double.
Replacement of the ICE with a Fusion Engine at the same rating, removal of the
Auxiliary mount, and switching the armour to Ferro Fibrous of the same rating managed
to free up enough tonnage and heat sinks to seriously upgrade the main weapon.
The Ceresarms Smasher PPC was replaced with a Defiance 980 Heavy PPC and
corresponding bank of Capacitors.
This gives the Janus an immense amount of first-strike firepower - equivelant to
two-thirds of a Shrek tank at a third of the cost of the larger machine.
The Janus itself still suffers from the problem of being, well, a Janus... But the
massive particle weapon is purposefully designed to help Militia commanders
feel like they are overcoming their inadequacies.
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Type/Model: Janus Ambush H-PPC JN-05-4
Mass: 35 tons
Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 16 pts Standard 0 3.50
Engine: 85 Fusion 0 2.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 1.50
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 20 Single 0 10.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 2.00
Crew: 3 Members 0 .00
Armor Factor: 80 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 4.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 4 29
Left / Right Sides: 4 19/19
Rear: 4 13
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
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1 Heavy PPC* Front 15 1 10.00
1 HPPC Capacitor* Front 5 1 1.00
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TOTALS: 20 4 35.00
Items & Tons Left: 8 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 896,917 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 603 (old BV = 444)
Cost per BV: 1,487.42
Weapon Value: 206 / 206 (Ratio = .34 / .34)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 12; MRDmg = 10; LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2: MP: 3W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/2, Overheat: 0
Class: GL; Point Value: 6
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
05/14/15 12:14 PM
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I would dump the PPC and replace it with a Gauss Rifle and use the weight savings to up the engine.
Another idea is since this is a ambush vehicle put the weapon in the rear so it can retreat and still fire at targets.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
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Drasnighta
05/14/15 02:09 PM
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I *did* consider making it Rear armed and armoured in its original configuration. I may still do that.
The core makeup is keeping the primary weapon Energy Only. Ancilliary weapons can be ammunition dependant, but the Primary Weapon must be Energy Only so it doesn't need to stop and reload - it can be used in a protracted guerilla campaign.
Its the design concept. Its flawed in and of itself.
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Karagin
05/14/15 06:39 PM
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Different and not many would expect a PPC on an ambush vehicle.
Karagin
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Retry
05/14/15 06:55 PM
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Quote:
Its the design concept. Its flawed in and of itself.
Could you explain how? A PPC SPG doesn't seem inherently flawed at all, actually seems like a perfectly sound design concept with the right configuration on par with the Hetzer.
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Drasnighta
05/14/15 08:39 PM
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Most that, Tracks would be better. A Turret would make it more flexible, those sorts of things...
Especially since as well, I was looking at what I could feasable put a PPC on the ground for... It would be better to be faster, so it can Shoot+Scoot, etc, etc, etc.
I'm liking the Janus, but I don't know if I could rely on it as a cornerstone.
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Retry
05/14/15 10:59 PM
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Ah, I see. Although, that wouldn't really be the concept being inherently flawed as much as it is a natural limitation of it's role.
A fundamentally flawed concept would be something like the SFE Assault Recon Mech "Charger" which has so much weight invested in it's engine that a well designed high-end light mech would probably be able to solo it. Or, perhaps, a slow WiGE.
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