Requiem
07/16/18 07:44 AM
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One can only wonder how Yvonne Steiner-Davion formed her dark psychological state over time, that of her self-esteem / opinion, and as a result Yvonne’s self-esteem / opinion began to change for the worst.
Though when your older siblings are Katherine and Victor and ‘your’ achievements are constantly compared to them both privately and publically it is a wonder she didn’t turn out to be more like Kali Liao.
It is also a wonder that no one picked up on her lack of self-esteem / opinion and attempted to “help her” overcome this growing problem. Did not one of her siblings or parents pick up on her changing personality?
What also surprises me is Victors decision that his younger sister, on her own, should be his Regent whilst he was off fighting the Clans in Operation Bulldog and then following them to rescue operation Serpent on Huntress – with no idea of how long or if at all he would return to the Inner Sphere.
One can only presume that when it came to Yvonne, Victor has a very large blind spot.
Clearly Victor erred in not ensuring that Yvonne was surrounded by people that could protect her and provide her with reliable information and suggestions on how to deal with running an empire.
Clearly there was a need for not one regent (based solely upon Victor’s immediate family) but for a triumvirate of regents (three regents) who could support each other – and ensuring the stability of the realm.
Though as it was Katherine noticed her short comings and used the media to crucify her sister in an incredibly vindictive and public move so as to break her psychologically – and in so doing ensuring that Yvonne would relinquish the Federated Suns to her in what can only be described as a masterful bloodless coup when Yvonne abdicated.
Again it is a wonder that no one attempted to convince Yvonne as to the error she was making and the ramifications this would have upon her brother Victor (Losing his thrown as well).
Did no one spot what Katherine was doing with the media?
Though one could argue he had no place in travelling to Huntress – he the ruler of a vast empire – did he never read what happened to Napoleon when he did the same thing?
Thus the Steiner-Davion children can be considered to be quite dysfunctional ….
It is therefore quite an amazing accomplishment that anyone would trust her again with the reigns’ of power for the Federated Suns in such a small time frame – even if they were given to her …. again …by her elder brother Victor.
Why anyone would trust her after all this is a complete surprise … perhaps the Federated Suns politicians thought they could manipulate her by this stage ….
And how she got around the pre-requisite of serving in the military to become the rightful ruler of the Federated Suns is also a question …
Though my question is this … after everything Yvonne has gone through would you trust her to rule the Federated Suns as your liege lord?
There is also one other point – I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall, (Post Civil War), when Katherine was taken out in shackles and brought before both Victor and then Yvonne – that would have been an interesting conversation to both write and read …. How many believe that Yvonne slapped Katherine and it went down- hill from there fast ….?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
Edited by Requiem (07/16/18 07:48 AM)
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ghostrider
07/16/18 03:30 PM
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Where does it say the pre-requisite for ruling the FS is to serve in the military?
The fact Katherine was a bad apple really didn't start until Victor went off to fight the clans. So the whole family was a blind spot for being dysfunctional. It could well be, Katherine was feeding Yvonne bad information or encouraging others to constantly put her down. The media manipulation is a good example.
I could see why others didn't bother trying to 'coach' Yvonne as she was temporary. Most believed Victor would be back and resume control, with Katherine being the next in line. Yvonne was after Peter as well.
And with her being so far back in the chain, the others would be getting the chances, while she was 'forgotten'. So there really isn't that big of a shock she was lacking in self esteem.
Media manipulation is good enough that they can make almost anyone sound like the savior, or the devil.
It was said a few times, the general public tends to forget things in about 6 months if not keep regularly informed about events.
Something as simple as a statement of 'Yvonne will be my voice to the people of the FS while I deal with other threats.'
Simply put. She is a figure head, with Victor making the important decisions.
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Requiem
07/16/18 08:36 PM
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QUOTE: Where does it say the pre-requisite for ruling the FS is to serve in the military?
Book #1623 – House Davion – The Federated Suns – Pg. 101 ….In discussing the First Prince under the title Principality …. “….the Davion’s believe that training in administration is as important as the five years the Heir-Apparent must also spend in the military.”
I agree she would have been overlooked by being distant to the line of succession and would have been seen a figurehead only …. But you still need to ensure she is protected.
In this case she was not, resulting in massive consequences
And then when she was put back on the throne along came the Jihad ….
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
07/16/18 11:11 PM
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Been a while since reading that book.
You did leave out a possible catch to this. Unless mentally or physically unable to perform.
Not sure if that would apply.
Also, she was appointed by a ruler currently alive. So more of a reagent, then actual first princess.
But again, this may not apply. Just possible ways around it.
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Requiem
07/17/18 03:09 AM
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I agree in all probability … Princess Regent until a child came of age and went through the military for a minimum of 5 years …. Then back to First Prince / Princess……
I find it very interesting how many times it comes to …. We’ll find a way around a rule / law that we already established so as to make the story go the way we want it to ….
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
07/17/18 04:49 AM
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That is how all stories go. Otherwise, you don't have one to continue with. Most forget little facts and it catches up with them.
Granted, it doesn't help when you change people in the middle of a project, or even who runs it.
Thinking about it, Katherine may had turned out the same way if she was further outside the line of ruling.
And there is another loop hole with the 5 year military commitment. Katherine didn't have it either.
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Requiem
07/17/18 07:10 AM
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another Regent then ... ?
But then you would have to ask .... Regent for whom? ..... Victor? ..... then it gets a little absurd when you begin a Civil War .... Your Regent (who cannot be Coroneted as First Princess because she hasn't completed her 5 years military Service) is engaged in a war for the thrown with the only legally viable First Prince....
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
07/17/18 10:58 PM
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Looks like the Stiener-Davion union has all but Victor breaking traditions. The issue with Peter and Adam is the third such break.
Thought that might make some interesting news.
And even that, he went to comstar instead of trying to keep his spot in the FC. Probably the first one to do so.
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Requiem
07/18/18 01:27 AM
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Royalty and ComStar have 'amalgamated' in the past, examples ....
Free worlds League - Thomas Marik
Draconis Combine - Necess Kuria - 2931
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
07/18/18 02:14 AM
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Was thinking from the FS.
The other two were not the rulers of their realms when they went in.
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Requiem
08/22/18 11:52 PM
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In addition, how can you respect a leader who – for financial reasons, post Civil War, declares that the FS will no longer be part of the Star League and which resulted in the disbandment of the Star League.
Would not a real leader, rather than worrying about the financial requirements, request a reformation of the Star League.
That is reforming the powers of its leader to manipulate the SLDF as well as how it operates etc as well as requesting a 'pause' on any financial obligations to the Star League due to the Civil War
But she only though of her realm and thus imploded the Star League.
(Though how can you have multiple wars when the majority of the combatants are all attached to the Star League was more to the point of disbanding the League)
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
08/23/18 02:50 AM
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If the League fell apart when one of the members ceded, then it wasn't the power that is should have been.
And the others let it fall apart?
That is even more stupid then Yvonne pulling the FS out.
It should have been running and allowed the FS back in, once it got it's economy back on track.
Or even offered to help get things moving along.
Good leaders worry about their people before some organization that is all show.
But I do agree that the story had to get the participants away from one big organization that would not allow more fighting.
But then Liao really showed just how bad it could be, with putting the League troops in the St. Ives Compact, then started taking back the lands under the guise of protecting the people.
Given what had already happened, the League was doomed to fail.
Yvonne was the last straw, but not the only one.
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Requiem
08/24/18 01:19 AM
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Yes, I agree the 2nd Star League was not the organisation it should have been – its inherent weakness by having multiple self-serving First Lords proved that it was not what it should have been
The 2nd Star League should have been similar to the Unites Nations Security Council (minus the vetos)
Though now without the League we are back to the succession wars (though now with Great House Lords + Clan Khans)
As for Liao, Katherine should have stepped on him at the First Star League Whitting Conference -
Katherine miss-stepped with that one … the meeting’s agenda should have been amended prior to the stat of the meeting to leaving the last agenda item regarding voting on whom the next First Lord would be to that of discussing and voting upon new Star League Members.
So that if Sun-Tzu didn’t vote the way she wanted she would then penalize him, by using this last agenda item to add St. Ives into the Star League.
She should have kept a political dagger over Sun-Tzu to ensure his voting compliance - she could deal with any other actions he might come up with thereafter.
Which shows the one attribute Yvonne was totally lacking in - the killer instinct when it comes to politics
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
Edited by Requiem (08/24/18 01:28 AM)
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ghostrider
08/24/18 01:51 AM
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The game will never have all under one roof for long. It just does not allow a war game to be played out like an all out war raging all over does. So any ideas of doing so died with the succession wars in the game.
Now, that being said, this seems to be the basis of how Stone got the IS to give up worlds to form the republic. It would dramatically cut down on border skirmishes, and the main planets that were fought over, are now under new rule, which all agreed to honor. Trying to get something like the League, without allowed each house to pervert the first lord position to do as they like. Granted, that meant trusting stone not to do so.
But greed shows it's head yet again. Both in and out of the game. New wars, new books, new tech.
But the question of how the League fell apart as one house left it remains unanswered. The other houses should well have been able to keep it together if it was really a good idea.
And they could well have condemned the FS and pulled the same thing they did on the periphery in the first League. Conquer it, and force it into the League. That would make the DC, CC, and maybe even the FWL happy to finally carve up some of the FS. The LA would not have been able to do much about it at this time. Except try to get some for themselves.
Yet that didn't happen. Why?
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Requiem
08/24/18 04:43 PM
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Yes, I agree the game designers cannot contemplate the idea of a Star League.
But in doing so the game’s history from Jihad to Dark age is …. stretching reality once more.
Though how does stones “Republic” cut down on border skirmishes when it is centred around Terra only – leaving the rest of the border as per normal?
And how can a world like Northwind be reduced to world with just two normal Battlemechs (one a Hatchetman) and a couple of agro mechs with light weapons augmented into them
This totally reduced the game to a ridiculousness!
Yes I also agree they should have been able to keep the Star League together – if the issue was just financial (special terms could have been discussed and implemented for those Realms undergoing financial hardship) –thus there was no need at all for a war for a weakened FS / LC
As for why the others didn’t attack – the other states were having their own internal problems at the same time as the FC Civil War
Liao – just wanting to get the realm back to pre 4SW status
Marik – building their worlds economy / military and didn’t want to go to war at that time
Kurita – own internal problems – Black Dragon Society etc.
Then came the Jihad – so everyone went to war against the new unknown …..
So timing and the will to go to war was the issue.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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