Karagin
01/07/02 10:24 PM
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On support ships that would be used in Battletech universe. Like Merchant ships that are not Dropships per say, something like the Falcon from SW or the numerous support vessels in Traveller.
Anyone have any ideas for merchant ships for Battlespace??
Karagin
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NathanKell
01/08/02 12:22 AM
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What period are we talking--SL / 1st SW, 3025, modern?
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Karagin
01/08/02 02:57 AM
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All of them.
Karagin
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Acolyte
01/08/02 01:51 PM
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The Mule or some such. The Buccaneer, the Mammoth, and the Behemoth are also cargo carriers like the Mule. The Mule is the most common, and is a spheroid. The Bucaneer is a small aerodyne. The Mammoth and Behemoth are progressivly larger than the Mule and are both Spheroids.
There is also the Monarch which is a passenger liner.
The DropShuttle, the Long-Range Shuttle and the Mark IV Landing Craft are all civillian or support small craft. In addition, Escape Pods are sometimes retrofitted to act as short range shuttles between vessels or stations in space.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Karagin
01/08/02 02:06 PM
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Those are good places to start...but I was looking more for the tried and true space frieghters...like some of the ones in B5, SW etc....not dropships...
Karagin
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Acolyte
01/08/02 02:15 PM
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Hmmmm.... Don't think there are any, really. The main problem being that pesky thing about Jumpships being needed to go from system to system.
You'd need to make your own design based on WarShip construction to get the Falcon.
The other option is to consider the JumpShip to be the transport and the DropShips to be components of it.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Karagin
01/08/02 02:36 PM
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I hadn't forgotten about the Jumpship part...just trying to get a fresher look on things and to get away from the just dropship as merchant ships idea...
Plus I have ton of Traveller ships I would like to use in the game...as merchantmen and such...
Karagin
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Karagin
01/08/02 02:57 PM
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So you are suggesting that I take the Warship rules and use that as starting point for these types of ships...interesting...
Any ideas on were to start?
Karagin
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Acolyte
01/08/02 03:07 PM
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Try the lighter ships such as the Bug-Eye, and take off the Naval weapons. Maybe replace them with regular sized weapons. Use the tonnage left over for cargo.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Bob_Richter
01/09/02 04:31 AM
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Use Dropships.
That's my idea.
Anything else is a waste of a KF Drive...or simply isn't allowed by Btech rules.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/09/02 01:23 PM
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Read the post again...I don't want to use dropships...
Karagin
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NathanKell
01/09/02 05:07 PM
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You don't even bloody need to remove the weapons, they have enough cargo capacity as it is.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
NathanKell
01/09/02 05:26 PM
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3025: only really rich merchants have their own jumpships, and these are mostly Merchants or Invaders. In other words, stock (3025) era ships from DS&JS (which I don't have, I just assume they're in there) and TRO 3057.
New Era: It might be worth designing a few ships based on Froggie's Light Core or Sub Compact Core. Otherwise, you're pretty much stuck with 3025-era stuff with upgraded armaments (see TRO 3057), as compact cores are still too expensive to be used in anything but government warships.
Star League Era (or even AoW): This is where things get interesting. Everyone and his brother had a compact core, and the two of them often formed little shipping companies ;)
Ships like the Carrack (Explorer Corps) and Volga (TRO 3057) but with less weaponry (after all, there were big honking SL navies to take care of the merchants) were common. See below
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
NathanKell
01/09/02 05:31 PM
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Galleon-class Transport (SL Era)
Basic:
Mass: 650,000t
Thrust: 2/3
Fuel: 4,000t
SI: 32; Armor: 416t, 74/73/72/70 (or even less if not LFC)
4 Dropship Collars
2 Large Grav decks
Complement:
12 Fighters, 48 Small Craft
108 Pilots, 108 techs
1 Platoon Marines
Crew:
45 Pilots
28 Engineers
65 2nd Engineers
(158 7t, 40 10t quarters, 82 lifeboats)
Weapons:
6x4 Large Lasers
6x2 LRM-20-AIVs with 4t ea Ammo
6x4 Gauss Rifles with 3t ea Ammo
6x9 Small Lasers
64t FCS
529 Double Heat Sinks
225,774t Cargo
NB: This was done with a Battlespace spreadsheet, with the FCS tonnage added manually. Any other differences between BS and AT2 I have forgotten.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Karagin
01/09/02 09:49 PM
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While I follow you on this, I am trying to get out of the locked in system of the aerodyne and spheriod shapes...
Even if I give something a KF drive who says it has to carry any other ships?
Karagin
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Acolyte
01/10/02 05:28 AM
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It doesn't. That's why I suggested the Bug-Eye. No ship carrying capacity.
Sides, it's your universe. Change it how you like. I know I do.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Acolyte
01/10/02 05:29 AM
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Ah, but what civilian ship carries naval class weapons?
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 11:37 AM
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I addressed that issue already.
The Battletech Universe simply has NO OTHER ACCOMODATION at present. Live with it.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 11:42 AM
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>>>Even if I give something a KF drive who says it has to carry any other ships? <<<
OOH! I DO!
Seriously, Karagin, I think you already KNOW what you want to do: Build Freighters on Warships chasis. If that's the sort of thing that floats your boat, you go right ahead. Just don't tell ME about it, and don't try to shoehorn it into the existing Universe. It won't fit. (Remember the Medical Ship)
>>>While I follow you on this, I am trying to get out of the locked in system of the aerodyne and spheriod shapes... <<<
The definitions of "Aerodyne" and "Spheroid" are EXTREMELY loose.
Aerodyne: Lands like an Airplane.
Spheroid: Lands like a rocketship.
And if it DOESN'T land....it doesn't really matter all that much.
FASA terminology isn't 100%
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 12:04 PM
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Actually, that doesn't totally hold up. Most Aerodynes re-orient their crew stations, etc. for system transit, so the engines are pretty much always under your feet rather than at your back....unless you're in atmospheric ops.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 12:35 PM
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Right...I was just pointing out the nonrigidity of the definitions.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:19 PM
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If you say so, I forgot you are the expert on the rules and finding loop holes in them for your own stuff...as I told Bansee, you play your way and the rest of us will play our way.
Karagin
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:43 PM
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...it'd be REALLY NICE if FOR ONCE you would actually READ MY POST and THINK ABOUT IT before responding.
Not only does this not make any sense, it simply has nothing at all to do with what you're responding to. Try again.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:48 PM
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And how about you read mine, think about them before posting your self...oh wait that would take away from your begin right all the time.
If you don't like the idea then don't read the topic or the posting to it...
Karagin
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:51 PM
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Hurling insults at me and repeating yourself will not help.
You make no sense.
Fix it.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 03:00 PM
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And your comments help how? You know you remaind me of someone who use to post here, I can't recall her name right off the top of my head, but she had the same attitude you do that everything you say is right and nothing anyone else suggest or offers as an idea in this game is going to be right UNLESS you thought of it or had some hand in it come about.
So can you kindly keep your non-helpful comments to yourself and if you don't have anything constructive to offer or better useful, then don't comment at all please, because I am sure folks are tried of your slams and such and the petty arguements you engage if you don't like the idea and the post is not interested in dropping it just be cause you say so.
So if you can't do that at least learn some tact and stop being a jerk.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 03:20 PM
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Again, I see you didn't read my post. *sigh*
For what you want, just make a Warship with a lot of cargo. Is that so hard?
Or, hell, just convert Travellyr ships straight across (I have no idea how to do this, BTW,) see if I care!
You'll just never get my endorsement on such a stupid idea.
>>>So if you can't do that at least learn some tact and stop being a jerk. <<<
Do you have any idea how funny that sounds coming from you?
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 03:24 PM
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Glad to see you are letting your true feelings out and it is good to see I was on track with my comments....
And if you don't why are you so bent on telling me my idea is wrong in your opinion?
Karagin
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 03:30 PM
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That's it, Karagin. Drop the damned negativity.
You want intersystem commerce craft that aren't Dropships, right?
Build a BLOODY WARSHIP. Then take off the guns and armor. There you go!
It's not like it's hard or something.
Sheesh.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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NathanKell
01/10/02 03:33 PM
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Or just use the one that was posted on the previous page of this thread if you don't want to build one yourself.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |