His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
01/16/09 05:51 PM
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Mac has a point.... he may be lacking some common sense and logic (ok a LOT of both)
Man your the optimist! I don't think that he has the capacity for either common sense or logic.
Come now, with a name like yours you have to respect him for being more stubborn than a mule..(even if you don't agree with a word he says) 
I have a grater respect for mules than to compare then to him. Even though there half breeds.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Newtype
01/17/09 12:23 PM
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Kitworking means your kit of miniature parts is worked with till its complete. I've interpreted kitbashing as a word that degrades kits. I remember Randall Bills saying that BattleTech was created for money. When I get enough money I'll invest in BattleTech (paying the ruletypists money) to improve CBT - there will be new LAM rules. + Check this out for a to-hit modifier:
+1 dual cockpit
+7 jumpglided +25 hexes
+10 at extreme range with Null Signature System
+7 Excellent Evading (my version of skilled evading with advanced ability of evading)
+2 prone and partial cover by having LAM crouch lay against hillside
+2 intervening heavy woods
equals +29 to-hit modifier
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Zandel_Corrin
01/18/09 06:11 PM
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you are never gonna it anything.... no point using a LAM.... if thats your def then what's you atk mods?
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
01/19/09 08:26 PM
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Kitworking means your kit of miniature parts is worked with till its complete. I've interpreted kitbashing as a word that degrades kits. I remember Randall Bills saying that BattleTech was created for money. When I get enough money I'll invest in BattleTech (paying the ruletypists money) to improve CBT - there will be new LAM rules. + Check this out for a to-hit modifier:
+1 dual cockpit
+7 jumpglided +25 hexes
+10 at extreme range with Null Signature System
+7 Excellent Evading (my version of skilled evading with advanced ability of evading)
+2 prone and partial cover by having LAM crouch lay against hillside
+2 intervening heavy woods
equals +29 to-hit modifier
And let me guess you going to use your +50 magic + 100 against battalmech sword. And if the GM says no, your going to throw a temper tantrum.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Lefric
01/20/09 11:14 AM
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Kitworking means your kit of miniature parts is worked with till its complete. I've interpreted kitbashing as a word that degrades kits. I remember Randall Bills saying that BattleTech was created for money. When I get enough money I'll invest in BattleTech (paying the ruletypists money) to improve CBT - there will be new LAM rules. + Check this out for a to-hit modifier:
+1 dual cockpit
+7 jumpglided +25 hexes
+10 at extreme range with Null Signature System
+7 Excellent Evading (my version of skilled evading with advanced ability of evading)
+2 prone and partial cover by having LAM crouch lay against hillside
+2 intervening heavy woods
equals +29 to-hit modifier
Kitbashing is a model railroad (well, that's where I heard it) term that means combing structure models to make a new one that combines the two.
The only negative connotation in in your mind.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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Newtype
02/07/09 11:12 AM
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It is ironic that new LAM artwork and improved LAM rules aren't published. CBT products are supposed to be produced for money. New LAM artwork and improved LAM rules could bring forth more money for FanPro/WizKids.
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Zandel_Corrin
02/08/09 05:30 PM
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that's not gonna happen.... mainly cause it's not fanpro/wizkids now.....
no wonder you like LAMs so much... your living in the passed!
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Kovax
02/09/09 10:10 AM
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The other problem with LAMs is that every one of those designs was an "unseen" lawsuit 'Mech. They can't do any artwork for the "past" of LAMs, so continuing with them in the present setting of the game presents more than the usual difficulties.
I'm of "mixed" opinion on them, since they typically don't make great 'Mechs, and don't make great aerospace fighters. Unless you're trying to take advantage of quirks in the rules to turn them into something that was never intended (Uber strafing machines that essentially ignore heat rules by firing the same weapon at EVERY target in line of fire), they're pretty marginal, although not entirely useless.
Since they can be "exploited", I can see why Newtype (or whatever he calls himself today) would want them. He seems to have a thing for wanting to push every broken game mechanic out there to its absolute limit.
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Lefric
02/09/09 11:15 AM
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It is ironic that new LAM artwork and improved LAM rules aren't published. CBT products are supposed to be produced for money. New LAM artwork and improved LAM rules could bring forth more money for FanPro/WizKids.
Sigh. Here I am feeding the troll.
Just because you want a product doesn't mean anyone else does, or that it will make money.
Take the issue of Babylon 5 episode DVD's. For years, Warner Bros. would not realease them, as there was "no money in them." OTOH, they would not sell them to a third party for publication, becuase "if anyone was going to make money on them, they were" (Straight from the mouth of JMS at GENCON 2000, FYI).
So, just because money can be made off of something doesn't mean it will.
and, in the case of LAMs, you have 1) Unseen legal issues, 2) the fact that they were ripped off of mecha, and have no place in the flavor text as it has evolved, and 3) are, IMO, LAME. If I wanted to play with transformers, I'd pull out my toys from when I was a kid.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/09/09 10:17 PM
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It is ironic that new LAM artwork and improved LAM rules aren't published. CBT products are supposed to be produced for money. New LAM artwork and improved LAM rules could bring forth more money for FanPro/WizKids.
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Fang
02/10/09 08:54 AM
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It was my understanding that FASA actually won those lawsuits, but Harmony Gold kept suing to the point of driving FASA into the ground financially. So in order to avoid that, the "unseen" images were thus pulled. And I am sure I misspelled something in there. Personally, I like the idea of LAMs when used in moderation. GM should nvr allow more than say one or two at most in a game. and nvr in tournament play.
One by one, the rabbits are stealing my sanity.....
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Kovax
02/10/09 10:02 AM
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From my understanding of the lawsuit (which is shaky at best), Harmony Gold technically "lost" the suit, but FASA certainly didn't win.
Harmony Gold didn't really own the rights to the artwork. It appears that they had purchased them from some company that claimed to hold the rights, but didn't, or something to that effect. The outcome was that BOTH companies had to discontinue use of the images, since neither of them had any legal right to them.
At this point, I have no idea who actually DOES hold the copyrights, but it might be interesting to find out, and why FASA or Harmony Gold didn't go back after the fact and license them from the actual owner.
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Newtype
02/12/09 10:32 PM
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It wouldn't hurt to try to publish new LAM rules & new LAM artwork. They could at least be published in a revised edition of TW. How about giving a revised edition of TW containing new LAM rules & new LAM artwork at least one year? If after a year and a portion of players purchase CBT products because of new LAM rules & new LAM artwork, then keep those rules & artwork in TW revised, otherwise those rules & artwork can be moved to TO revised.
Also, Big West owns the copyrights to the Unseen.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/13/09 02:09 AM
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Because no one cares other than you.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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MaiShirunaiispretty
02/13/09 04:01 PM
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That's not true. There are others that do care. Use Google search if you want to know about others that like LAMs. Here I discovered 95,300 websites pertaining to Land Air Mechs:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Land+Air+Mechs&aq=f&oq=
BattleTech websites result in about 1,160,000 websites:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BattleTech
That means that about 9% of potential CBT customers like Land Air Mechs. That's alot of customers not being satisfied since TW currently doesn't have LAM rules. In fact I'd say there's probably more than 9% potential customers that like LAMs because many of those BattleTech websites are probably computer game websites.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/14/09 01:53 PM
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That's not true. There are others that do care. Use Google search if you want to know about others that like LAMs. Here I discovered 95,300 websites pertaining to Land Air Mechs:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Land+Air+Mechs&aq=f&oq=
BattleTech websites result in about 1,160,000 websites:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BattleTech
That means that about 9% of potential CBT customers like Land Air Mechs. That's alot of customers not being satisfied since TW currently doesn't have LAM rules. In fact I'd say there's probably more than 9% potential customers that like LAMs because many of those BattleTech websites are probably computer game websites.
Newtype, just because you find comments about LAM's on the net that does not mean that anyone cares about then other than you.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/17/09 10:31 AM
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That's not true. There are others that do care. Use Google search if you want to know about others that like LAMs. Here I discovered 95,300 websites pertaining to Land Air Mechs:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Land+Air+Mechs&aq=f&oq=
BattleTech websites result in about 1,160,000 websites:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=BattleTech
That means that about 9% of potential CBT customers like Land Air Mechs. That's alot of customers not being satisfied since TW currently doesn't have LAM rules. In fact I'd say there's probably more than 9% potential customers that like LAMs because many of those BattleTech websites are probably computer game websites.
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Newtype
02/20/09 11:21 AM
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Newtype, just because you find comments about LAM's on the net that does not mean that anyone cares about then other than you.
Or maybe His Royal Highass Donkey, you're just frustrated that LAM's are getting so much attention.
Also, how about +1 to-hit modifier for dawn and +1 to-hit modifier for fog giving a total of +31 to-hit modifier? Wow, that's a very high to-hit modifier against my LAM.
Edited by Newtype (02/20/09 11:40 AM)
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MaiShirunaiispretty
02/20/09 11:40 AM
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Hmm,
+0 gunnery
-3 anti-aircraft & long range targeting
-10 precision cluster flak proximity fused ammo
-2 bracing
-2 weapon specialist (LB-20XAC shooting above ammo)
-1 careful aim (I presume you'll go to a position that blocks LOS during "second careful aim attempt"
-18 total to-hit modifier
+31+-18=+13 total to-hit modifier against your LAM, Newtype
Wow, those bracing maneuvers sure do come in handy when firing proximity fused precision cluster flak ammo at a Balancer LAM. Unfortunately they make my 'Mech an immobile target for that LAM. Oh well, at least I'm getting partial cover.
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Newtype
02/20/09 11:40 AM
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Yeah, that LAM is undefeatable. Glad you're here at this library, MaiShirunaiispretty. Hopefully we can get some tournaments started.
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Lefric
02/20/09 11:46 AM
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It seems Newtype and his alter ego are carrying on a lively discussion with themselves.
you know, Newtype, that talking to yourself - and ansering yourself - is a sign that you've lost your mind.
Of course, your obsession with crappy-ass LAMS proves that all by itself.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT LAMS EXCEPT THE FIVE ITERATIONS OF YOU, NEWTYPE.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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Newtype
02/20/09 11:54 AM
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MaiShirunaiispretty is my new friend here at this library. I guess you're frustrated also that LAMs are becoming more and more popular and/or frustrated that I've discovered a means to win indefinitely with this Balancer LAM. Had I enough money, I'd hire Randall Bills to publish new LAM rules. Hopefully I'll win the Powerball Jackpot this Saturday night. I saw two signs I could win: a flock of birds shaped like the letter W (for win?) next to and above another flock of birds shaped like a Valentine's Day heart last Saturday on Valentine's Day and a wingstube apparently not moving high in the air. I want to donate lots of money to help Kat Swift Green Party presidential candidate in 2012, The Smile Train, Kristi Yamaguchi's foundation, and more.
Edited by Newtype (02/20/09 11:58 AM)
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MaiShirunaiispretty
02/20/09 12:12 PM
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Uh, Newtype, the woods hex could be destroyed dropping final to-hit modifier down to +11. And Lefric, how can I be an alter ego of Newtype since it takes a different library card to operate each computer here at the library? Each of us here at this library only gets one useful library card at a time.
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Newtype
02/20/09 12:12 PM
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Uh, oh. Hopefully I can get a head critical MechWarrior hit. No, that won't work because LB-20XAC ammo could be indirectly shot at woods hexes.
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Lefric
02/20/09 01:23 PM
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Newtype, you sir, are one of the biggest idotic egomaniacs I have ever met, and I will henceforth ignore everything you say. No matter how much your drivel irriates me from here on out, your simply not worth the noise coming from a monkey's rear CT.
Too think I've lowered myself by feeding your trollish ways. I feel ashamed.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/20/09 03:57 PM
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Too think I've lowered myself by feeding your trollish ways. I feel ashamed.
Remember, we are not laughing WITH newtype we are laughing AT newtype.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Kovax
02/20/09 04:28 PM
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95,300 websites pertaining to Land Air Mechs:
60,000 of them pertain to Land, 40,000 to Air, and 5,300 to Mechs????
....and of the 5,300, Newtype and his multiple aliases posted at least 2000 of them, I'll bet.
Don't worry about him losing his mind, it's not like it's being used for anything worthwhile.
Edited by Kovax (02/20/09 04:31 PM)
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Newtype
02/21/09 03:12 PM
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Actually there's a MechWarrior RPG trait in a MechForce Quarterly issue called Phantom Combat. I think it can raise that +11 final to-hit number. Seems like it worked sort of like Null Signature System to-hit modifiers or maybe it increased to-hit modifier on each attack against that unit (I'm not sure). Heavy Metal forums could perhaps have info on this trait. And I take back saying that my Balancer LAM is undefeatable. A very fast Clan 'Mech could close to short range and could significantly damage my Balancer LAM into defeat. That's ok, my Mole Assault Tank could probably defeat such a Clan 'Mech.
Lefric, you're just jealous because I found a way to defeat Clan units at very long ranges.
Kovax, I never posted any of those webpages. I don't even have the means to do so.
Edited by Newtype (02/21/09 03:48 PM)
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/21/09 06:15 PM
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Have any of you noticed how people who make LAM's always want to put physical weapons on them? I wonder why...
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Christopher_Perkins
02/21/09 10:21 PM
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It wouldn't hurt to try to publish new LAM rules & new LAM artwork. They could at least be published in a revised edition of TW. How about giving a revised edition of TW containing new LAM rules & new LAM artwork at least one year? If after a year and a portion of players purchase CBT products because of new LAM rules & new LAM artwork, then keep those rules & artwork in TW revised, otherwise those rules & artwork can be moved to TO revised.
LAMs do not belong in Total Warfare or Tech Manual, they are too complex
LAMs belong in Tactical Operations Manual... But because the PTB dislike LAMs they will be put in a tertiary Product
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Also, Big West owns the copyrights to the Unseen.
True..
However the artwork for the LAMs could easily have been replaced like the rest of the Unseen
Christopher Robin Perkins
It is my opinion that all statements should be questioned, digested, disected, tasted, and then either spit out or adopted... RHIP is not a god given shield
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