TheDeadlyShoe
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 06/22/02
Posts: 1621
Loc: Redmond, WA
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Vehicles
#58588 - 04/22/03 06:00 PM (4.61.234.131)
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All vehicle and tower stores in a zone when a zone is captured are now destroyed. There has been far too much abuse in the passing of equipment from one empire to another. Perhaps in the future we will reinstate this option.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Edited by ShadowMasterCM (03/03/08 05:22 AM)
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Krynn
Major
Reged: 01/31/03
Posts: 1327
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Re: Vehicles
#58589 - 04/22/03 06:11 PM (24.164.25.57)
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i agree TDS
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Manowar
Recruit
Reged: 06/29/02
Posts: 40
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Re: Vehicles
#58592 - 04/22/03 08:36 PM (68.1.196.167)
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oh well, just another sacrifice we all have to make to the cheaters. 
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crusader523
Sergeant
Reged: 01/27/03
Posts: 398
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Re: Vehicles
#58593 - 04/22/03 08:37 PM (67.8.16.221)
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cheaters F*** everything
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davion76
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 08/07/02
Posts: 1605
Loc: Ridgecrest CA, USA
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Re: Vehicles
#58595 - 04/22/03 08:45 PM (12.219.245.15)
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they suck the big one.... I'll miss this feature...
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Krynn
Major
Reged: 01/31/03
Posts: 1327
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Re: Vehicles
#58596 - 04/22/03 08:48 PM (24.164.25.57)
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there was nothing better then taking a zone and getting a free beemer
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Tien_Lung
Lieutenant
Reged: 06/27/02
Posts: 506
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Re: Vehicles
#58597 - 04/22/03 08:58 PM (161.184.143.108)
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Well war just become much less profitable. 
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Vapor
Lieutenant
Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 699
Loc: Guam
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Re: Vehicles
#58605 - 04/23/03 02:28 AM (202.128.71.251)
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This is probably the single worst move the admins have made so far. They tell us that they have the ability to see who owns which empires, and then they go and take away one of the features that made LW profitable. Why don't they do their damn job and leave these features alone? If they were doing their job, they could tell who was cheating and who wasn't, and they wouldn't have to do something like this.
Know what really steams me about this? Someone could attack my fully-stocked repair bay and capture it. I take it back 10 minutes later, and have to pay to restock it yet again. That is ridiculous. Or what about when I purchase a heavy vehicle on the market and it arrives when I am offline. After it arrives, but before I login to commission it, someone attacks that zone and captures it. Poof, there goes the vehicle. If I recapture the zone the next time I login, I will still have to pay to get another vehicle.
I agree, it is about time that something is done to stop cheaters. However, I believe that this is something that the admins should be doing, since they say they can tell who owns what empires, and the only thing we the players should know about what is going on is when we see notices that empires are getting fined/deleted. When they make a move like this, I start doubting that the admins really do have the ability to see who owns what empire, and if that is the case, the 5-empire limit is completely bogus.
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"The evil that can come, from the heart of a man, must be answered in kind 'till it disappears, and we're safe." - Kansas
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Krait
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 06/22/02
Posts: 1639
Loc: Krautland
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Re: Vehicles
#58612 - 04/23/03 03:02 AM (172.179.157.90)
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I think it has to do with the time it takes to track the people doing this down, and the sheer amount of empires doing it.
Besides, if someone indeed took a zone where you stored something, it would be gone if you take it back anyway (it would have to be a very stupid pirate who does NOT send the booty home where its safe).
The change sucks for honest pirates, but it was probably necessary if they don't want to spend the next few months weeding out players (ab)using this feature...
Lata
Krait
P.S. Shoe you sure screwed up the formatting of this thread good 
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Stalker17
General
Reged: 06/24/02
Posts: 2581
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Re: Vehicles
#58616 - 04/23/03 04:05 AM (68.159.6.62)
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"I think it has to do with the time it takes to track the people doing this down, and the sheer amount of empires doing it."
Yea, it's probably escalated with people trying to get down to 5 empires(thinking, I probably won't get caught, why not?). I think maybe they should've just legaliased it for a few months, let the cheaters take advantage of it, but let us profitably get rid of our empires.
"Besides, if someone indeed took a zone where you stored something, it would be gone if you take it back anyway (it would have to be a very stupid pirate who does NOT send the booty home where its safe)."
very true
"The change sucks for honest pirates"
Like me  (err, 1 of my empires)
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Tien_Lung
Lieutenant
Reged: 06/27/02
Posts: 506
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Re: Vehicles
#58633 - 04/23/03 07:41 AM (161.184.143.108)
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Why not just legalize it? If everyone only has 5 empires let them transfer vehicles between them. Not like you can start 100 empires and send money to your main with all of them on the first day like in the old days. I don't see this as a problem. So long as people only have 5 empires.
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Kit_fox
Colonel
Reged: 09/16/02
Posts: 3054
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Re: Vehicles
#58648 - 04/23/03 08:47 AM (129.138.32.68)
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Honest Pirate? lol
Anyway, I think that maybe pirates would find that the sacking bonus they added in might balance it out a little.
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Krait
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 06/22/02
Posts: 1639
Loc: Krautland
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Re: Vehicles
#58654 - 04/23/03 11:11 AM (172.179.157.90)
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The bonus for building destruction is a poop compared to the value of captured vehicles...
As for legalizing it.... So you think a lvl10 empire leaving a regiment of uncommissioned Cockatrice in a zone for his new lvl1 empire to take is desireable?
Lata
Krait
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Protagoras
Captain
Reged: 08/04/02
Posts: 1131
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Re: Vehicles
#58660 - 04/23/03 11:22 AM (161.114.1.185)
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I agree Tien.
The abuse was in allowing someone to create 100 empires and funnel all that money to a single empire.
There is also the problem of the large empires with nothing to do sending tanks to small empires that those smaller emps could never afford. But to deny the rightfull booty of conquest
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davion76
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 08/07/02
Posts: 1605
Loc: Ridgecrest CA, USA
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Re: Vehicles
#58662 - 04/23/03 11:48 AM (138.163.0.42)
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maybe we could put some kind of limit on the number of vehicles captured in a zone, like maybe one per lvl of attacking empire....
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Tien_Lung
Lieutenant
Reged: 06/27/02
Posts: 506
Loc: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Re: Vehicles
#58667 - 04/23/03 01:13 PM (161.184.143.108)
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In reply to:
As for legalizing it.... So you think a lvl10 empire leaving a regiment of uncommissioned Cockatrice in a zone for his new lvl1 empire to take is desireable?
I don't see a problem with it. So the empire hits lvl 7 within 24 hrs. So what? You can do that with DP to. If I attack it I'm dead either way because the lvl 10 will hire a merc. if all else fails. It doesn't effect the dymanics of the game. Just a pain in the butt. Again assuming everyone is limited to 5 empires.
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xiahoudunofwei
Sergeant
Reged: 03/01/03
Posts: 291
Loc: Imperial Palace, Kingdom of We...
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Re: Vehicles
#58672 - 04/23/03 02:05 PM (128.216.1.8)
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Who? All I want to know is who... I want to pay them a visit. Making use of LW extensive comunication forum, allowing to voice my displeasure with their behavior. 
I think the Admins should post who is cheating, on the updates screen, how they cheated; this way we can all voice our collective displeasure.
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"The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army... We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die."
George Washington, August 27, 1776
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Flameseeker
Major
Reged: 07/18/02
Posts: 1304
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Re: Vehicles
#58686 - 04/23/03 03:27 PM (66.82.9.12)
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I would rather enjoy seeing the maintenance costs for a regiment of Coakcatrices drive a level 0 down to -395838029 nevbucks in two days. Attack me now.
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Mazer
Colonel
Reged: 01/24/03
Posts: 1622
Loc: Margaritaville ;)
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Re: Vehicles
#58703 - 04/23/03 04:50 PM (68.60.12.112)
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They should list people who get caught doing major cheating, they deserve to get blacklisted.
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Manowar
Recruit
Reged: 06/29/02
Posts: 40
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Re: Vehicles
#58716 - 04/23/03 06:32 PM (68.1.196.167)
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I agree about posting the names of the cheaters. I've always said they are actually encouraging cheating by protecting the cheaters identies. But they protect them though for the same reason they just don't delete them... $
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Manowar
Recruit
Reged: 06/29/02
Posts: 40
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Re: Vehicles
#58717 - 04/23/03 06:40 PM (68.1.196.167)
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I'd rather see them working on new features than spending all their time chasing down cheaters. If people would just play the game and stop trying to "get around" everything, the world would be a better place.
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Vapor
Lieutenant
Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 699
Loc: Guam
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Re: Vehicles
#58748 - 04/24/03 01:28 AM (202.128.71.250)
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I don't agree at all. However, I also don't agree with their new method of deterring cheaters either. Since they claim to be able to tell that the person who owns lvl 10 empire is the same person who owns the lvl 1 empire, then they can punish the person accordingly. All they would have to do is put flags in each of the empires, and when an empire attacks another empire with an identical flag, it notifies them that someone is potentially cheating. They can then go and verify whether it is a simple land/infra transfer, or if vehicles/parts/etc. were transfered as well.
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"The evil that can come, from the heart of a man, must be answered in kind 'till it disappears, and we're safe." - Kansas
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Vapor
Lieutenant
Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 699
Loc: Guam
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Re: Vehicles
#58750 - 04/24/03 01:30 AM (202.128.71.250)
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That isn't enough. I say that they also prevent any restrictions from being applied to the empires on the list for a certain time period (24 RL hours should be more than enough).
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"For those about to rock, we salute you." - AC DC
"The evil that can come, from the heart of a man, must be answered in kind 'till it disappears, and we're safe." - Kansas
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Krynn
Major
Reged: 01/31/03
Posts: 1327
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Re: Vehicles
#58757 - 04/24/03 04:15 AM (24.164.25.57)
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Thats a ton of time I'd rather see them fixing bugs and coding.
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Stalker17
General
Reged: 06/24/02
Posts: 2581
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Re: Vehicles
#58768 - 04/24/03 05:18 AM (68.159.6.62)
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tien, i'd rather legalize that too, I had somethign in another thread. Heck, even emprie farming might be able to come in again, since they have the 5 empire limit.
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Dios
Newbie
Reged: 04/01/03
Posts: 6
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Re: Vehicles
#58870 - 04/24/03 10:58 PM (203.117.33.23)
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Heck, buildings get destroyed, stuffs are destroyed too now...war is just lame now...
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Vapor
Lieutenant
Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 699
Loc: Guam
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Re: Vehicles
#58873 - 04/25/03 01:01 AM (202.128.69.204)
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heh If I thought anyone would actually listen, I would call for an immediate boycott of LW's. 
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"The evil that can come, from the heart of a man, must be answered in kind 'till it disappears, and we're safe." - Kansas
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xiahoudunofwei
Sergeant
Reged: 03/01/03
Posts: 291
Loc: Imperial Palace, Kingdom of We...
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Re: Vehicles
#58918 - 04/25/03 11:35 AM (128.216.1.8)
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No LW? Then why would we play this game...? The Admin update did say, it might be brought back?
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George Washington, August 27, 1776
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Vapor
Lieutenant
Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 699
Loc: Guam
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Re: Vehicles
#58999 - 04/27/03 12:51 AM (202.128.69.204)
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Yeah, it might be brought back. I doubt we'll see it again any time soon.
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"For those about to rock, we salute you." - AC DC
"The evil that can come, from the heart of a man, must be answered in kind 'till it disappears, and we're safe." - Kansas
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Fiache
Corporal
Reged: 12/03/02
Posts: 130
Loc: Hawaii
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Re: Vehicles
#59658 - 05/04/03 02:03 AM (158.252.199.37)
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They don't need to add any new flags. When an empire looses a zone with uncommissioned vehicles that empire looses an amount of morale equal to the loss of those vehicles as if they had been destroyed in combat. So if they set a log point when an empire looses X amount of morale, that logs zone location, and what caused the morale loss, that would do it.
Basicly what this new rule is, is that the admins have no clue how to really control this thing they have created. So they take wacks in the dark at trying to control it and we suffer the results. All the resent controls are just desperate attempts to control a thing that has gotten way out of their control. But until they get their act together it won't change, and the game will only get more restrictive and less fun.
Oh well maybe I'll have to go back to playing games offline. Or maybe I should go try MegaMek, oops did I just say a bad word?
Fiache.
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