orionredwing
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Pace of Game
#59837 - 05/07/03 04:37 PM (192.146.1.30)
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I've been playing Neveron for about 3 months now, and am only a lvl 3 empire w/ daily income of $170K net. I focus on economic expansion (no LW or arenas). Is the game supposed to be this sloooowwwww? If so, how do the rest of you put up with it? I have had 4 RL friends of mine quit the game, and only check once every few days myself.
Granted, it's fun when you get to higher lvls, but why so long to startup for a new player?
Does Neveron have any statistical data on # of new player retention vs old? E.g. columns showing # of players with empires at lvl ??, frequency of logins, first login date, etc. It'd be something interesting to look at.
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Aciddog
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Re: Pace of Game
#59838 - 05/07/03 05:24 PM (12.82.86.30)
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How many empires you have cause if you dont have 5 make empires up to that many.
Also try using 1 or 2 for LW you can get very big very quickly.
And LW small emp's can be fun sometimes more fun than LW larger empires.
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Neveron_Liason
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Re: Pace of Game
#59844 - 05/07/03 06:59 PM (4.61.237.22)
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Neveron has very many tables. Heh. If you ever catch Randy in chat, sometimes he lists some interesting tables.
It is a good idea to max out your 5-Empire limit.
Landwar is the fastest way to grow-- Also the most fun. The experience gained is also valuable indeed. You can even shuffle the infrastructure to other empires if you wish.
The game is indeed paced very slowly compared to other games. This has its upsides and its downsides, but the major upside is that this allows us to keep empires persistent over the years, which very very few other empire-building webgames do. In fact, I, personally, don't know any other persistent empire-games. The vast majority are based off of relatively short 'games', though those may vary greatly in length.
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Vapor
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Re: Pace of Game
#59870 - 05/08/03 06:43 AM (202.128.83.143)
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I agree with what he said, though. There is very little in Neveron to keep new players from getting bored and giving up.
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#59959 - 05/09/03 05:01 PM (128.125.250.48)
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You think it's slow now? It's slow when you get big too. The only thing to keep interest (and risk getting your empire wiped out) is to LandWar. Research is a joke, so is production, hoping to be one of those big multi-million nev-dollar a RL day making empires is practically impossible unless you can keep your Morale up (e.g. LandWar).
If you decide to not go the LandWar route, you'd better find yourself a really good faction because you're going to become a target once you get "big" (experience talking). And if you don't have protection you can kiss all your hard work (or is it easy work?) good-bye in a night.
So yes, it gets boring, you might get sick of it, it might even make you depressed, but hey, whatever.
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Sintares
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Re: Pace of Game
#59970 - 05/09/03 09:00 PM (195.92.168.173)
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True, landwar is nasty and can be permanently fatal!
Got an empire to lv 5 and morale was 2 , so decided to attack a neighbouring level 5 that was unfactioned and no one in my faction had heard of .. Great success in the lw and contacted my opponent and arranged terms , letting him keep a couple of cities etc
All good I thought .. week went by , offline .. logged on to see his friends in a v large and very violent faction had dropped on me and total wipout .. Even managed to take out my remote back up cities .. Now level 0 , kicked out of faction.. and no one in my ex faction wanted to help and get a kicking them selves..
Sigh .. over a year down the drain..and Randy and Wayward keep saying how fun LW is .
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#59974 - 05/09/03 10:05 PM (24.164.25.57)
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theres an old saying. never leave an fortified enemy behind your lines.
You should have wiped him out.
Frankly I don't think the pace of the game has slowed at all. Cecil said you cant get multi million dollar income w/ out LW, thats not true. Also some, not all but some peacefull emps are not targets. You have to be political or you will be a huge target.
But I took a lvl0 and went to lvl 6 in a matter of 4 months so don't say its slow or dangerious. 12 empires wiped out with only 20 dp in the begining. Easy and cheap.
Since I'm tired I'm going
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#59978 - 05/10/03 01:06 AM (128.125.250.48)
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Ahh, the good ole DP boost. Of course if you have DP the game gets more interesting, but then you actually have money riding on your empire. I've been playing for a long time and have never donated. I thought about it a couple of times to make the game go a bit faster, you know, buy some research or new mechs, etc. but I knew that I'd be pretty sore if I lost it all in a night.
Yes, diplomacy is all well and good, but when you have some player out there just looking for a juicy target, they'll hit you and hit you hard regardless of how "diplomatic" you are. And wiping out an empire entirely doesn't always guarantee that you won't be retaliated upon.
About the multi-million nevdollar a day empire comment: if you start an empire now, especially with the recent changes to the basic empire building aspects of the game, it is really hard to make a lot of money a day after your morale has gone down the tubes without donating.
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#59989 - 05/10/03 09:58 AM (24.164.25.57)
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I used 20 DP, thats nothing for that empire. I have 2 others started the same time that used 0 DP and are lvl5.
Your wrong cecil neveron is all about who you are friends with and they will protect you. Your not a good target when 1 mill bv stands beside you as your friends ready to defend you.
I have 3 empires under lvl7 all making over 1 mill not including my main. Its all how you build your empire. Plain and simple.
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xiahoudunofwei
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Re: Pace of Game
#59999 - 05/10/03 12:07 PM (128.216.1.8)
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My Political Rules for Nev-
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Choose your enemies wisely and know who are your true friends.
Mercy is for the weak.
Nothing gets your point across like a MAD-4A...
All glory and victories fleeting, all are ultimately, enemies. 
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Krait
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Re: Pace of Game
#60050 - 05/11/03 02:07 AM (172.183.132.233)
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Part of the dilemma is that LW is only quick and fun when you are warring a 'victim' rather than an 'opponent' (at least fo me). If you war someone who is prepared and knows what he is doing, you will probably spend 90% of the time fighting with your 12/24/36 mechs against one jeep that he sends in over and over to delay you and fatigue you. That is no fun and takes ages. Finding an equal strength force in a city that can be reached directly and is on AI on the other hand is fun coz noone harresses you with jeeps, the timer ends when YOU are done, and AI is stupid so you got a good chance to win without losses.
Thats why you become a prime target if you look like a high level noob. And non-factioned lvl6+ (and even those that are in non-prominent factions) are just that....
The things that are in existance to counter quick empire loss for active defenders (and at the same time making LW boring as hell) cause quick empire loss for passive defenders (because theyre the ones where you can find quick and exciting LW).
And face it, pirates do attack fat merchants usually. If they attack warships they don't live long 
Will stay that way as long as there are fat merchants around...
Lata
Krait
Edited by Krait (05/11/03 02:09 AM)
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xiahoudunofwei
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Re: Pace of Game
#60089 - 05/11/03 03:03 PM (128.216.1.8)
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That's why I like Krait, always has thoughful posts, unlike mine. I always read his... 
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#60119 - 05/12/03 12:39 AM (128.125.250.48)
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My question to you then is simple since I'm so wrong:
What good is 1 million BV when your empire gets wiped out while you and your friends are asleep?
Sure they can rally and retaliate in your name, but the fact remains: you still got wiped out since the crappy AI doesn't know how to properly defend against large-scale assaults.
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#60120 - 05/12/03 12:46 AM (128.125.250.48)
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I guess this game will get VERY boring if everyone starts making their empires like warships, which is what I presume Krynn suggests that everyone do when building their empire.
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#60121 - 05/12/03 12:47 AM (24.164.25.57)
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If you place good enough defences then that won't happen.
That is possiable.
I've seen defences where it takes me 20 min to wipe out an emp. Then I've seen defences where it takes 2 hours per zone.
Plus I have a network of people that we all battle play for each other and that way some one is allways on. Some even have the logins.
Thats the benifits to knowing people.
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#60122 - 05/12/03 12:52 AM (128.125.250.48)
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Thats good that you have such a network. Now if all players in neveron had that (or rather made the effort to get that) then everyone would be in business and my point would be moot, but until I see that happen, I still stand behind my statements.
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#60123 - 05/12/03 12:58 AM (24.164.25.57)
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Most everyone here has no clue how to amount effective defences. Those that do can survive a direct assult.
I'm guessing that by your answer you had no clue how to amount a good defence and got wiped out.
Its not just having a network set up of players but also massing a real defence. You have to put the right units in the right places and in the right amounts.
Look at what Sly and Rox have been saying about defence for months, yet no one listens.
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Cecil
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Re: Pace of Game
#60125 - 05/12/03 01:12 AM (128.125.250.48)
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Bad guess: I do know about defenses. I've followed what Rox has said many a time and yes, it does work. My main empire has been through a few assaults and still came out if it intact due to a mixture of defense, diplomacy, and retaliation. So why such a cynical doom-and-gloom-game's-so-boring attitude? I see people getting wiped out left and right and like you, I wonder what's going on. From what I've discerned is that since this is an empire-building game, people like to try out different things taking different paths with their empires. It seems to me that all those people who choose not to go the route of war machine (or at least on the defensive) get wiped out, and since it takes longer for an empire going the non-war-related route a longer time to really get anywhere when compared to a war-related empire, when people start anew, they're more likely to go the war-related route. Sure this will keep your empire from getting wiped out and what not, but throughout neveron if this occurs, LW wont even be fun anymore as Krait has already posted.
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#60126 - 05/12/03 01:24 AM (24.164.25.57)
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Sorry I guessed wrong. Well not really sorry for it sucks to loose an empire so I'm happy you still have yours.
I totally agree it takes way longer to build an empire rather then steal one through LW. But when you start an empire you have to concern yourself with defence if you don't then you will be eventually attacked and because you havn't prepared you will get wiped out. I don't think this is bad. I think every empire over a certain level should be ballenced between defence and building its not hard to build an effect defence you just have to have the right knowledge.
Most people that land war think a BV heavy empire with good defences is a heck of a lot more fun then an infa farm. Its no fun rolling over a bunch of cities defended by jeeps in your mechs. This is why I say its not bad or less fun for everyone to have good defences.
Krait was talking about a spacific tactic that you have to be online while you get attacked in order to use that tactic. I have faced that tactic before and it sucks but now you can avoid even that by running past the jeep and going to the next zone.
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Krait
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Reged: 06/22/02
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Re: Pace of Game
#60136 - 05/12/03 01:59 AM (172.178.194.117)
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Running past the jeep would still take a loong while. And just before you make the border the jeep could retreat and attack again, so you have to run for the border again too..
Still an efficient and annoying tactic. Which would be employed by most active players, which is one reason why there is so little high-lvl LW, and thus so much low level slaughter...
Lata
Krait
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Rigadel
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Re: Pace of Game
#60137 - 05/12/03 02:04 AM (65.217.124.9)
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No offense but Rox is a moron who does not know his hand from his @$$...
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Krynn
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Re: Pace of Game
#60139 - 05/12/03 02:08 AM (24.164.25.57)
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he may be but if you listen to the things he says about defence you will probably lean a few things. All most all younger palyers will learn something if they did and even some of the older.
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Krait
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Reged: 06/22/02
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Re: Pace of Game
#60144 - 05/12/03 02:40 AM (172.178.194.117)
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While you are right R3PO, so is Krynn...
Heeding Roxes advice would make life a lot harder for pirates...
So please don't listen to him
Lata
Krait
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Krynn
Major
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Re: Pace of Game
#60145 - 05/12/03 02:42 AM (24.164.25.57)
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lol, you rule krait
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