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Chat: General Q & A #2 - Wayward Son
#73650 - 10/03/03 05:08 PM (4.41.51.27)
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This is the chat log from Friday's chat. Thanks TheDeadlyShoe. If anyone has a log from the earlier chats, please PM me.
Joins and Exits were edited out.
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Session Start: Fri Oct 03 15:13:12 2003
Session Ident: #questions
* Logging #questions to 'logs\#questions.AfterNET.log'
<TheDeadlyShoe> logging active
<Wayward_Son> are the units still in your units list?
<x2c> nope
<x2c> i don't understand how I lost them if no enemy units were there to oppose me
<Wayward_Son> well if the zone you attacked said unit present then there were enemy units there
<Wayward_Son> so presumably you attacked and went into battle
<Wayward_Son> did you fight the battle?
<x2c> no1 was there 2 fight
<Wayward_Son> well if it said "units present" there was
<Wayward_Son> you don't detect units in the battle unless you see them or pick them up on sensors
<Wayward_Son> so often when you go into a battle your map will be void of enemies
<Wayward_Son> you have to hunt around for them
<Wayward_Son> so I assume what happened is that you left the battle
<Wayward_Son> if you actually WIN a battle, the game kicks you out and gives you a victory message
<Wayward_Son> it sounds like you left the battle
<x2c> Another easier ? i have is how do u stop a research facility from researching...their killing my multiplyer
<Wayward_Son> which means that 30 min late the ABR (auto-battle resolution) kicked in and fought the battle for you
<x2c> Yea I left
<Wayward_Son> and you lost
<x2c> But I left them on auto piolit
<Wayward_Son> yes exactly
<Wayward_Son> but the force they were up against was too much for them
<Wayward_Son> so they got killed
<x2c> ight
<x2c> ty
<Wayward_Son> got it? <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<x2c> look at my ? a few lines up
<x2c> got it
<x2c> ty
<Wayward_Son> a facility researching does not kill your mult
<Wayward_Son> you need more workers to fill your jobs
<Wayward_Son> build more residentials to get your multiplier up to 100%
<x2c> I was just 99%...now it's 64
<Wayward_Son> right you need more workers
<x2c> how do i get them?
<Wayward_Son> build residential
<Wayward_Son> buildings
<Wayward_Son> for every 4 civpop one of them becomes a worker
<x2c> ight
* x2c thx wayward
<Wayward_Son> np
<Wayward_Son> anyone else?
<JamesDale> question: ettiquette for factions
<Wayward_Son> go ahead
<JamesDale> is there some kind of information to send that faction leaders need
<JamesDale> or some method of speaking to use?
<JamesDale> 1I
<Wayward_Son> well most faction leaders are looking for a description of your goals and attitudes about the game
<Wayward_Son> some are looking for peaceful people, others want warriors, others want a mix
<Wayward_Son> mostly people are looking for good natured, active folks who are going to be playing a lot and able to defend the rest of the faction
<Wayward_Son> your best bet is to apply
<JamesDale> mmhmm
<JamesDale> and hope
<Wayward_Son> and ALSO send the faction leader a DR (diplomatic relations) treaty
<Growf> why a DR?
<Wayward_Son> that will allow him to ask you questions and whatnot
<Growf> ah
<Wayward_Son> the application is a one way thing
<Wayward_Son> you just give him a blurb'
<Wayward_Son> he cant say anything back
<Wayward_Son> so its a cold guess for him if you are some jackass or a player with promise
<JamesDale> lol
<x2c> lol
<Wayward_Son> the DR will let him know you are really interested in his faction as well, and not just blindly applying to all fo em
<Wayward_Son> anything else?
<JamesDale> thanks, I understand better
<Wayward_Son> coool
<Wayward_Son> cool
* Bonk{LC} has joined #questions
<Wayward_Son> any other questions?
<Bonk{LC}> if i take a zone with weapons or other parts in the armoury do i get them?
<JamesDale> how long before I can research and build mechs?
<Growf> can you give us some advice about arena combat, how do we pick more than one unit, which are best, etc.
<x2c> a long time
<Wayward_Son> yes bonk you do. If they are vehicles you only get a fraction of them (20%)
<Wayward_Son> other parts you get all of them
<Bonk{LC}> cool thanks
* x2c thx Wayward...x2c leaves...
<Wayward_Son> JamesDale research for the most part is somethign for large empires only. Smaller empires can research some things with time and patience, but mechs take a long, long time and an immense research base
<Wayward_Son> it is not something that anyone but the biggest empires can do if they invest a lot of time and energy
<Wayward_Son> smaller empires can research tower designs, which are very important
<JamesDale> so its better to build commerce in the beggining?
<Wayward_Son> as well as building sizes
<Wayward_Son> yes absolutely
<Bonk{LC}> i have two factories that can produce vehicle armour if i do not have a production run going what do those workers do?
<Bonk{LC}> will they transfer to a com or research?
<Wayward_Son> nothing bonk, they sit there and you get tax income from them, but no products
<Wayward_Son> neither bonk
<Bonk{LC}> so i still get tax money from them?
<Wayward_Son> yes cause they still count as being 'employed', but they are not producing anything
<Wayward_Son> technically they should probably be 'unemployed'
<Wayward_Son> but they arent
<Bonk{LC}> so if i don't want to spend the money on resources i can just leave them idle
<Wayward_Son> correct
<DL> ok to add on to that
<Wayward_Son> anyone else?
<Wayward_Son> yah
<DL> if i take a zone with factories
<DL> but i myself have no research anything
<DL> do i get the ability to build them?
<Wayward_Son> no
<Wayward_Son> but you can use them
<DL> only what was built before me
<Wayward_Son> you need to have 50cf buildings researched to get factories
<Wayward_Son> to build factories that is
<Wayward_Son> if you capture them and you have workers for them you can use them to make products
<DL> damn im finding it hard to build a 4:1 comm to redidentail ratio let alone throw a research facility in the mix
<Wayward_Son> why hard to build 4:1?
<Wayward_Son> everything is 4:1
<DL> well im lv 0
<DL> and i get 220k a day
<DL> so in 24 hours id get 2.2 mil
<Wayward_Son> yup
<DL> 625 for residential
<Wayward_Son> the fastest and most fun way to grow is to war
<DL> 700k for commercial
<DL> yeah i battle
<DL> in areans
<Wayward_Son> attack costs are very cheap for small empire
<DL> arenas
<Wayward_Son> no in war
<DL> war/
<Wayward_Son> but arenas are good too
<DL> ?
<DL> ok who do i war with and how
<Wayward_Son> yes, attacking other small empire
<Wayward_Son> there is a good forum post about war from a tips mail i made
<Wayward_Son> let me find it
<DL> ok
<DL> cause im hyped up about attacking people
<DL> i want big infastructure!
<Bro> Grr i had 1 to many #'s hehe
<Wayward_Son> lol good dl
<Wayward_Son> hang on
<DL> im waiting till im lv 1
<Bro> m8
<DL> then ill join jsdc
<Bro> best at lvl 0 <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Bro> DL
<DL> why ?
<DL> unexpected?
<Bonk{LC}> i don't want to be the one getting attacked i kinda want to build and have some border battles but not be totally taken over
<Wayward_Son> http://www.sarna.net/w3t/showthreaded.ph...;o=&fpart=1
<Bro> 2 things ??
<Wayward_Son> double click that lin
<Wayward_Son> link
<Wayward_Son> that is a big explanation of war
<Bro> save up Coin and buy Vehicles
<Wayward_Son> not everything
<Wayward_Son> but enough
<Bro> ppl Canny atk u when ur a 0 until u hit them 1st
<DL> um ok
<DL> really?
<DL> currently i have no vehicles
<DL> but i can get them
<DL> now lets say a lv 2 empire is nearby
<Wayward_Son> you can get infantry too
<Bonk{LC}> i had a level 2 destroyed in one night it even had an even BV to POP
<DL> no way they will have mechs or even heavy vehicles
<Wayward_Son> and the abr is a good war tool when you are low level
<Wayward_Son> cause you dont actually have to fight yourself
<Wayward_Son> unlikely that they will
<DL> abr?
<Wayward_Son> Automatic Battle Resolution
<DL> cool
<Wayward_Son> if a battle is idle for 30 mins
<DL> well ive onlt ever played 10x10 arena s and 20x20
<Wayward_Son> the game does a quick and dirty auto-battle and determines kills and the winner
<Mr_Bro> 2 it Cost a Fkin packet for them to hit u even when u do hit them 1st <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> id rather develop some skills <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> why does it cost them alot?
<Wayward_Son> well sometimes the abr helps if you cant find your enemies
<DL> cause they are a higher level?
<Wayward_Son> your sensors suck at low level cause you buy cheap units
<Bonk{LC}> not if they just retake the zones within 3 days
<Bonk{LC}> it is free
<Wayward_Son> no they still need to pay
<DL> hold on
<Wayward_Son> after they pay it is free for 3 days
<DL> if i conquer a zone
<Bonk{LC}> oh.
<DL> they have to claim it by 3 rl days or 3 nev days
<DL> what units should i take into battle?
<DL> is 1 company enough ?
<Wayward_Son> neither DL
<Wayward_Son> they can attack you whenever
<Wayward_Son> but if you pay to attack a zone
<Wayward_Son> you get 3 RL days to attack it for free
<Wayward_Son> reattack it
<Wayward_Son> and at low level you dont need a whole lot
<Wayward_Son> you can eve just hunt around for undefended zones
<DL> the enemy is lv 2
<Wayward_Son> and thake those
<DL> unlike arena
<DL> i can have 2/2 vehicles and face 4/5 vehicles ?
<Mr_Bro> how many cities does he Have DL ??
<DL> lemme check
<DL> the closest enemy is a lv0 2 spquares away
<DL> an then there is a lv 2 7 squares south 3 squares west
<Mr_Bro> and cities ??
<Mr_Bro> how many ??
<Mr_Bro> 1 2 etc ??
<Mr_Bro> the more he has and the bigger they r ??
<DL> yeah
<Mr_Bro> means he has Less Units <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> hes got a lovely 200 building city
<Mr_Bro> and More to Guard <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> hes lv 3 actually
<Mr_Bro> how many buildings in it ??
<Mr_Bro> claim upto him ??
<DL> i can't tell exactly but 200-300
<Wayward_Son> DL there are no unit limits in war
<Mr_Bro> and click attack ??
<Wayward_Son> it is all about your War Level
<Mr_Bro> it'll tell u all the Info u need <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> i have my connection for vehicles and infantry now
<DL> all i have to do is train them
<Mr_Bro> only if its Defended <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> if not just go in
<Wayward_Son> any other questions?
<Mr_Bro> hit the Blighter and then Chk his Armoury <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> hes Crews
<Mr_Bro> his Parts <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> send em alll home <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> hehe
<Mr_Bro> <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> and ??
<DL> well i dunno about level 3
<Mr_Bro> also
<Wayward_Son> please check out that link I posted earlier about war
<Wayward_Son> it really will giv eyou a lot of help
<Wayward_Son> Cerro Torre hits 7th JEP-SRM with a charge on the right side for 240 points
<Wayward_Son> Cerro Torre was hit by a charge on the front side, location LL for 60 points
<Mr_Bro> always Chk for Mines and minerals
<Wayward_Son> oops
<Mr_Bro> lol ww <img src="/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
<DL> levelk 3 means hes either got 1000bv + and a mediocore economy
<DL> or hes got 5000 pop and a small army
<Wayward_Son> most likely the latter but he could also have a balnce of each <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> 240 points?!
<DL> the most damage ive seen is 20?
<DL> anyways thanx for the help
<Loopie> same here
<Wayward_Son> it is a twinked mech
<Wayward_Son> i made him a 30/50 move imp
<Wayward_Son> so it was a 24 hex charge
<Bonk{LC}> are there still jeeps just running around and not fighting?
<Wayward_Son> no they are engaging pretty well
<Wayward_Son> i am hovering around them with my imp
<Wayward_Son> so they know if they avoid it too much i'll wreck em
<Bonk{LC}> i got 3 kills but then could not move and was finished off
<Loopie> i got 1 kill but 2 people teamed up on me.
<Bonk{LC}> are the quests going to start to be for individual empires and at a lower level?
<Bonk{LC}> i would like to LW but hate to destroy someones months of hard work
<Wayward_Son> yes bonk, the quest system is currently being worked on
<Wayward_Son> all the quests are just tests right now
<Wayward_Son> eventually it will be completely automated
<Wayward_Son> and there will be quests of all types for all elvel
<Wayward_Son> levels
<TheDeadlyShoe> do quests take place on custom or randomly generated maps
<Wayward_Son> all maps are random right now
<Bonk{LC}> yeah i know ya'll are still working and i think it is cool just wanted to know the direction they were going
<Wayward_Son> but our big goal for the year is to implement a gamewide terrain system
<TheDeadlyShoe> so like a neveron-wide "map"?
<Wayward_Son> we will put in mountains and rivers and plains and deserts on the global map
<TheDeadlyShoe> nifty
<Wayward_Son> and then the battle maps will correspond to those
<Bonk{LC}> real nifty
<Wayward_Son> and there will be more continuity between the maps
<Mr_Bro> ww ??
<Wayward_Son> so you wont usaully have such a dramatic shift between maps in war
<Wayward_Son> sometimes of course, just not as much
<Bonk{LC}> will the current zones change and we have to re place units and towers?
<Mr_Bro> is there any thing in the Future with Water Crossin Vehix ??
<TheDeadlyShoe> sure but it's worth it bonk *g*
<Wayward_Son> yes bonk
<Wayward_Son> but then after that they will stay fixed
<Mr_Bro> Oil Rigs etc hehe <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> we Need Oil for our Vehicles ?? <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Bonk{LC}> yeah, i say so, just curious
<Wayward_Son> but you will also get the option to custom make your cities
<Loopie> i know this is off topic but r there going 2 be any more newbie tourneys?
<Wayward_Son> you will be able to place your buildings
<Wayward_Son> build walls
<Wayward_Son> moats
<TheDeadlyShoe> So that bit will be part of this same system>
<Wayward_Son> shift hills around
<Wayward_Son> etc...
<JamesDale> sweet!
<TheDeadlyShoe> Will cities be before or after the nev-map
<Wayward_Son> after
<Wayward_Son> the macro-terrain needs to happen first
<Wayward_Son> since everyone maps will change
<TheDeadlyShoe> right
<Wayward_Son> if you made a city and then the terrain change youd be pissed
<Bonk{LC}> wow that would make defense alot better
<Loopie> What is the timetable 4 all of these cool things?
<DL> damn
<TheDeadlyShoe> "this year" :P
<Bonk{LC}> we can make fortresses that even the AI can't screw up
<DL> the guy near me went lv 1 today
<Wayward_Son> it is our end of the year goal
<Loopie> ok
<Wayward_Son> we have to get the quests done first
<Wayward_Son> and there are plenty of bugs yet to be fixed
<TheDeadlyShoe> What can we look forward to for the Month of the Newbie?
<Wayward_Son> it is a massive project
<Wayward_Son> and we need to get lots of help in as well
<Wayward_Son> additionally new terrain types will be introduced
<Wayward_Son> desert
<Wayward_Son> water
<Wayward_Son> tundra
<TheDeadlyShoe> cool
<Wayward_Son> swamp
<Wayward_Son> all with new effects
<DL> hey wayward should i be worried with a lv 1 empire nearby?
<Wayward_Son> water will reduce movemtn, but also reduce heat
<Wayward_Son> no dl
<Wayward_Son> you should attack him <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> hes an arena regular
<DL> but with infantry
<Wayward_Son> remember as a new empire you have nothing to lose
<Wayward_Son> fear nobody
<Wayward_Son> start 5 empries
<DL> hehe
<Wayward_Son> and use em all
<Loopie> What r his coords.
<DL> lol
<DL> i couldn;t be bothered
<DL> 1 is enough
<TheDeadlyShoe> Will the Macro-Terrain tie into the Farms system?
<Wayward_Son> having 2 or 3 is nice
<Wayward_Son> ause you always have something to do
<DL> okok
<DL> ill make 1 more
<Wayward_Son> yes and resources as well
<DL> but i have uni
<DL> no time to play nev:(
<Wayward_Son> uni?
<Wayward_Son> oh school
<DL> must do damn programming
<Wayward_Son> lol yeah well tahts fine
<DL> yeah
<Wayward_Son> its just a suggestion <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> what did you write this game in?
<Bonk{LC}> oh yeah anymore word on the mines running out like was posted in the forums?
<Wayward_Son> not yet
<Nero1> could someone tell me why the level of an empire on the map changes sometimes? is this a known problem?
<Wayward_Son> other stuff to do first
<Wayward_Son> yes nero
<Wayward_Son> please read the admin updates
<Nero1> oh, ok
<Nero1> sorry
<Wayward_Son> np <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> what language is the game written in?
<Mr_Bro> Yo nero <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> English
<TheDeadlyShoe> j/k
<TheDeadlyShoe> <img src="/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="" />
<JamesDale> will there be wet navies when water comes into play?
<Bonk{LC}> lol
<DL> ....
<Nero1> hi bro
<Mr_Bro> <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Mr_Bro> water was mentioned once ??
<Dobie> How can I transfer DP to another login?
<Mr_Bro> pass ??
<TheDeadlyShoe> You cant
<TheDeadlyShoe> DP is completely tied into logins.
<Bro> yip
<Dobie> Hoiw do you sell it then?
<TheDeadlyShoe> You have to sell DP *before* you send it in
<Dobie> ahh
<Bro> lol
<Dobie> k thanx
<Nero1> oh, i have a question. can a unit shoot over an enemy unit to the unit behind it?
<Bonk{LC}> yes
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ Nero, yes, units do not block los
<Bro> yes
<TheDeadlyShoe> that includes towers
<Wayward_Son> we do not officially condone or support the "selling" of DP. What people typically do is find someone who wants DP and then they donate with their login
<Nero1> ah... ok
<TheDeadlyShoe> be careful when selling dp
<TheDeadlyShoe> you NEED to be in a faction
<Bro> if it comes up on ur windows as able to be hit
<TheDeadlyShoe> also if you are low level, it is difficult to receive the $ in any reasonable period of time
<Bro> u can shoot it
<Bro> no LoS no hit <img src="/w3timages/icons/frown.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> if you are level 3 or below, it is generally better to directly convert
<Bonk{LC}> ww, any suggestions for a flat zone defense tower for a low level emp.
<Wayward_Son> well currently srm-2's are cheap as hell
<Bonk{LC}> i was thinking an LRM tower but should i double the range or leave it single?
<Wayward_Son> i would use an srm-2 design with modified range
<Bonk{LC}> oh
<TheDeadlyShoe> Mind, though, that that DOES increase the cost.
<Wayward_Son> srm's get more crits and are highly effective against infantry
<Wayward_Son> make it with a low armor amount
<Wayward_Son> and then you can afford to make more of them
<Wayward_Son> they will die easy
<Bonk{LC}> it will still take a while to research so i can't really decide on prices now cause they will surely change before i can build it
<Wayward_Son> but do lots of damage before they do
<Wayward_Son> you can count on srm-2's staying pretty cheap
<TheDeadlyShoe> if you have no towers no, generally you want to research a stealth/sensor tower
<Bonk{LC}> cool
<TheDeadlyShoe> * no towers now
<Wayward_Son> yes exactly
<Bonk{LC}> got one of those
<Nero1> someone once mentioned a flamer tower design that if you lined your zones with it would kill 90% of anything entering your zone... is that a rumor, or true?
<Wayward_Son> a 5 ecm 5 stealth 25 cf tower is invaluable
<Wayward_Son> rumor
<Nero1> ah... oh well : )
<Bonk{LC}> yeah but i did not jack up the sensors so it costs me lots of armour
<TheDeadlyShoe> Well, it's true, but no zone can possibly justify the cost of such a defence
<TheDeadlyShoe> It would take more towers than 90% of empires have units
<Bonk{LC}> it would be cool to see though
<TheDeadlyShoe> of course its all moot with ABR <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Wayward_Son> not really
<Wayward_Son> what made it moot was preplacing units
<Wayward_Son> towers on the edges maps are easy to kill with ARF
<Wayward_Son> preplaced
<Bonk{LC}> Thanks for all the help WW and TDS. Love the game. See Ya'll later.
<TheDeadlyShoe> That's true... damn! <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Nero1> why are infantry units good for destroying towers?
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ Range Zero, they do 1000 damage
<TheDeadlyShoe> o.O
<Nero1> do they really?
<Nero1> that's great
<TheDeadlyShoe> yep <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Nero1> why don't people start using them with the armed vehicle things?
<TheDeadlyShoe> APCs?
<Nero1> yes
<Wayward_Son> only 100 damage TDS
<Wayward_Son> not 1000
<TheDeadlyShoe> whaaat
<TheDeadlyShoe> only 100?!
<Wayward_Son> but still usually enough
<TheDeadlyShoe> i've been telling newbies its 1000 for a year
<TheDeadlyShoe> o.o
<Nero1> is that for machine gun or assult rifle?
<TheDeadlyShoe> soo
<TheDeadlyShoe> topic change!
<JamesDale> what makes a good dueling unit?
<Nero1> hmm... do you admins have your own empires?
<TheDeadlyShoe> A good dueling unit..
<Wayward_Son> ok I have been here since 8 and its past 4 and Ive had no lunch
<TheDeadlyShoe> Well, it's mostly opinion
<TheDeadlyShoe> lol
<Wayward_Son> So I am going to boogy out
<TheDeadlyShoe> cya wayward <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Nero1> bye, thanks for hte help
<Wayward_Son> TDS you mind staying and answering some q's?
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ nero1, they do, but you'll have to DIE before knowing their names
<TheDeadlyShoe> Yeah, I'll go for it
<Wayward_Son> thanks man
<JamesDale> thanks wW
<TheDeadlyShoe> NP. Cya.
<Wayward_Son> actually i gota wait for this tourney to end
<TheDeadlyShoe> lol
<Bro> ditto wub wub <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Wayward_Son> so i'll hang for a few
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ JamesDale, a good dueling unit is generally one in which you can earn money in the arena
<KOOLAID> Is this the place for newbs to ask the newb questions?
<Nero1> ok, what about hte "Do not attack--Admin testing empire" (or something like that) empire?
<Wayward_Son> yes KOOLAID
<KOOLAID> Thank you
<Wayward_Son> that is my old empire yes
<TheDeadlyShoe> That's for special events like this tourney.
<TheDeadlyShoe> AFAIK.
<Wayward_Son> it has mostly been used for testing for the past couple years
<Nero1> oh... wasn't sure if it was a fake or not...
<Wayward_Son> but it was the first empire i ever had
<JamesDale> I heard that vehicles are not making money in the arenas, is it true
<KOOLAID> What is the fastest way to get money?
<Wayward_Son> yes but only because vehicle prices have shot up so much. It is not true with all vehicles
<Wayward_Son> you need to do the math on each one to really know
<TheDeadlyShoe> If you win every time, they can, james. <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Wayward_Son> KOOLAID I think that war is
<Wayward_Son> it gets your morale way up
<Wayward_Son> and you can get infra very fast
<JamesDale> that's not happenin wit me :}
<Wayward_Son> both of which increase your income dramatically, especially at low levels
<KOOLAID> Makes sense... that's been the only thing I haven't been doing...
<TheDeadlyShoe> A good dueling unit.. generally... has a good prize value for its cost, excels at one purpose, has no huge weaknesses that are easily exploited, and maintains a reasonable or low BV for its effectiveness....
<KOOLAID> cool
<JamesDale> examples?
<Wayward_Son> mostly it takes experince to learn which ones are doing well and why
<Wayward_Son> each unit has its weaknesses
<TheDeadlyShoe> Correct.
<Wayward_Son> so an excellent dueler in a flat arena will foten suck in a hilly one
<Wayward_Son> and vice versa
<Wayward_Son> learning how to duel is an artform
<JamesDale> that costs a lot
<Wayward_Son> and your best bet is to join a faction that has good duelers in it
<Wayward_Son> also starting out small
<Wayward_Son> with infantry
<KOOLAID> In terms of vehicles. Which one is the most versatile? Also is there any page that has a list of all vehicles?
<Wayward_Son> and then working your way up through the vehicles
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ Koolaid... hol don
<Wayward_Son> its cheaper
<Wayward_Son> and you learn patience and good techinque
<KOOLAID> take your time
<Wayward_Son> if you are good at dueling you can win lots and lots of cash
<TheDeadlyShoe> I should finish that list.
<TheDeadlyShoe> Darn...
<Nero1> oh, so if i attack someone and lose, can i now attack them again for free for up to 3 rl days?
<DL> vehicles do not make good profit dueling
<Wayward_Son> yes nero
<Wayward_Son> only that one zone
<Nero1> ok... thanks
<Wayward_Son> i often will go scout a zone
<Wayward_Son> and see what is in there
<Wayward_Son> if i think i can take it i'll go back and get more units i will need
<Nero1> i tried that once, and i guess at the time it wasn't implemented yet... so i had to repay another attack
<Wayward_Son> if not i go around it
<TheDeadlyShoe> Bah, i lost the list.
<DL> hey ww
<DL> i can declare war on a zone
<TheDeadlyShoe> okay. if you go to the donate page and select to list all vehicles it will list every vehicle in nev <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> go scout it then attack if i feel im capable of taking it?
<TheDeadlyShoe> here it is
<TheDeadlyShoe> http://www.neveron.com/help/vehicletable.htm
<TheDeadlyShoe> that's an old list
<TheDeadlyShoe> it does not have any of the newer vehicles on it
<TheDeadlyShoe> however it does give an overview
<Wayward_Son> i am working on a better newer list
<KOOLAID> Thank you
<Wayward_Son> you can find that list by going to the general help under the help tab
<TheDeadlyShoe> i tried to make a database of a list and post it up on the web but i suck at sql so it doesnt work
<TheDeadlyShoe> *g*
<KOOLAID> What technologies are best to research for defenses?
<Wayward_Son> defense towers
<Koenma> is this the question and answer thing?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Yes... but it'smostly over.
<Wayward_Son> primarily a "speedbump" or "sensor" tower
<Wayward_Son> 25 cf 5 ecm and 5 steakth
<KOOLAID> What are those?
<Wayward_Son> stealth
<Theseus> what's a good defensive tower?
<KOOLAID> well the sensor I can figure out...
<Koenma> could anyone tell me if there is a way to pay another empire to repair a damaged mech?
<Wayward_Son> you need to be in a faction Koenma
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ Koenma, unfortunately no, unless you join a faction.
<Koenma> that is the only way?
<TheDeadlyShoe> DP or faction.
<Nevyn> Adding 3 power 5 range or 5 range 3 power onto a stealth tower can also be good, as armour isn't very important for them
<Wayward_Son> yes Koenma unless you have your own facilities
<Wayward_Son> no Nevyn, armor is not important at all.
<Koenma> ok, thanks
<TheDeadlyShoe> In fact, the less armor on a stealth tower, the better.
<TheDeadlyShoe> It makes them cheaper.
<Wayward_Son> correct
<Nero1> wait, someone once said that they let others who weren't in the faction use their repair facility if they left parts when they were done.... is that allowed?
<Wayward_Son> vehicle internal structure can be quite expensive for smaller empires
<KOOLAID> Do we choose where the placement of the towers go?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Yes, you can choose the placement of towers.
<Wayward_Son> you can let them attack the zone
<Wayward_Son> but there is a chance the facility will be destroyed
<Nero1> is there a percent chance?
<KOOLAID> So a good combo would be extended range say LRM 10's with a combo of stealth sensor towers?
<Wayward_Son> 10%
<Wayward_Son> there are many good combos
<Wayward_Son> but stealth towers are the most important
<Nero1> for every building regardless of CF?
<Wayward_Son> because they slow the attackers down
<Koenma> how do you get a stealth tower?
<Wayward_Son> ideally you should have a couple stealth towers in every zone you have within 5 zones of a city
<TheDeadlyShoe> Mind that extended range does greatly increase the maintance cost of towers.
<Wayward_Son> further if you can afford it
<Koenma> do we have to research a lot of stuff to get a stealth tower?
<TheDeadlyShoe> no, it costs only 1 RP
<TheDeadlyShoe> and there are no prerequisites
<Wayward_Son> correct
<Koenma> what do I have to do? just make it all sensors or something?
<Wayward_Son> yes 5 ecm and 5 stealth
<TheDeadlyShoe> to give you an idea, it takes just under a nevyear for 6 25 cf 4 floor w/basement Research Facilities to research 1 RP....
<Koenma> ok, that will help a lot
<KOOLAID> What does the 5 to sensor power do?
<Koenma> I have 75 CF
<KOOLAID> as to 5 for sensor range?
<Koenma> how many of those would it take to get the tower?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Power increases its effectiveness against enemy Stealth and ECM
<TheDeadlyShoe> Range increases teh range at which you can detect enemy units
<Wayward_Son> http://www.neveron.com/sensors.htm
<TheDeadlyShoe> as a general rule, range is more important..
<KOOLAID> so if I made a tower with 5x5x5x5 that is a good combo?
<Wayward_Son> read that to learn about sensors
<TheDeadlyShoe> No, because you cannot fit 5x5x5x5 on a 25 cf tower
<TheDeadlyShoe> and anything above 25cf for a stealth tower is a waste of cash and research
<Nevyn> 5/5/5/5 doesn't quite fit in a CF 25, 3/5/5/5 or 5/3/5/5 is the most you can fit
<Koenma> would 5/5/5/5 work on a 50 CF?
<TheDeadlyShoe> It would, but, again, it is not a good idea to build stealth/sensor towers above 25 cf.
<Wayward_Son> yes Koenma
<Nevyn> Yes, but CF 50's are bigger so easier to detect, so it works against it staying hidden
<Wayward_Son> but part of the nice thing about a 25 cf is its low profile
<Koenma> ok, why won't my tower page load? it says something about insufficient supplies
<KOOLAID> it's in the research tab
<Koenma> oh, I was in the wrong one, thanks
<Wayward_Son> any other questions?
<Koenma> yes
<KOOLAID> Which would you suggest building an empire on first. Research or Commerce?
<Koenma> how do I set it for 5? there aren't any boxes
<TheDeadlyShoe> Anything we can look forward to For Month of the Newbie?
<TheDeadlyShoe> You are in Research-->Towers, correc,t koenma?
<Koenma> yes, and it only has a box next to ECM
<TheDeadlyShoe> It could be that your memory is full.
<Koenma> would I need to close down programs?
<Wayward_Son> commerce commerce commerce
<cyan|de> does small empire subsidy incone decrease with pop increase only?
<Wayward_Son> research is for big empires only with the excpetion of a few bulding to get you a sensor tower
<TheDeadlyShoe> Small Empire Subsidy decreases with income
<Wayward_Son> and the capacity to build larger buildings
<DL> ww a quick question, if i press the declare war button on the maps page does it declare or ask for a confirmation?
<TheDeadlyShoe> for every $2 that you earn via tax/commerce income
<Wayward_Son> it should ask for a confirmation
<TheDeadlyShoe> your subsidy goes down by $1
<DL> ok
<KOOLAID> I'm at 100cf for buldings... rather I will be in 2 more days
<Wayward_Son> oh thats plenty
<TheDeadlyShoe> it asks
<Wayward_Son> i never build bigger than 100cf
<Wayward_Son> except towers
<DL> i looked at the costs to just attack a built zone
<DL> and it was 28 million!!
<TheDeadlyShoe> Mind, that the more CF a building is, the less cost efficient it is
<TheDeadlyShoe> WIth a DoW, it's only 2.8 million.
<Wayward_Son> you will want to declare war then
<KOOLAID> I want to build a tower that has an lrm 20 3x range and lots of sensors
<DL> but there is a empty space between us
<Wayward_Son> KOOLAID a good idea is to put no sensors on your weapon toers
<Wayward_Son> towers
<KOOLAID> ok
<Wayward_Son> and then just put a good sensor tower in the same zone
<KOOLAID> Sounds good to me
<DL> if i claimed up to his border will the attack price drop?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Koolaid, first consider the cost of LRM20s, the amount of research that would take, and then how many zones can effectively use a 3x sensor tower
<Wayward_Son> the game uses the best sensors of all your units in that zone
<Koenma> for stealth towers, can we put weapons on them?
<TheDeadlyShoe> er 3x lrm tower
<Nevyn> Yes DL
<Wayward_Son> lol
<Wayward_Son> yes DL
<Wayward_Son> you were looking at the price for a hotdrop
<DL> oh damn
<Wayward_Son> that is, jump units being dropped out of the sky on it
<TheDeadlyShoe> price of a hotdrop is price + $25 million
<TheDeadlyShoe> <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> + transit costs
<DL> ok what would it be ?
<Koenma> can I put weapons on stealth towers?
<Wayward_Son> so it will cost you 25 million LESS if you are adjacent
<DL> if i were adjacent
<DL> oh ok
<TheDeadlyShoe> You can, but it's generally a waste
<KOOLAID> I was just looking at a 3x so that it would take less of a roll to hit them close up
<TheDeadlyShoe> However, with ABR, sometimes a Machine Gun is worthwhile
<DL> so its 2.8mil to attack and 280k to declare war
<TheDeadlyShoe> Don't forget, tho, that placing a weapon on the tower sacrifices sensor ability
<Wayward_Son> so if you dow
<Wayward_Son> it will cost you 280k
<DL> good
<DL> thast reasonable
<Wayward_Son> but then the attack cost will only be 280k
<DL> i can sustain a war of that cost
<Wayward_Son> but you dow will last for 3 real days
<TheDeadlyShoe> Close up, you still have minimum range, and the maintenance cost is TERRIBLE
<TheDeadlyShoe> <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<DL> ok
<Wayward_Son> and he gets to attack you for 10% cost as well
<KOOLAID> hmm hadn't thought of that
<DL> does the cost include all military uit used?
<Koenma> the tower page won't load any boxes other than weapons and ECM
<DL> what determines cost?
<KOOLAID> Appreciate the time! Thank you for a great game!
<Theseus> but doesn't a dow mobilize all vehicles and mechs?
<Wayward_Son> it is determined by the size of your military and against how much of his total infra you are taking
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ Theseus, only if you arn't in a faction
<Wayward_Son> so if he only has one city it will be very pricy
<Wayward_Son> but not so bad with dow
<DL> his main 50 building base <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<Gumbo{DCMS}> The nood stater pack, what variant mechs are they?
<DL> hes level 1 remember?
<Gumbo{DCMS}> starter pack that is
<DL> and since he levelled so quick im sure hes got 25cf 4:1 ratio res/comm
<TheDeadlyShoe> We have a winner!
<DL> thast anothe 20kincome bonus if i take it
<DL> plus morale boosts if i win
<DL> could be making a small fortune quick
<TheDeadlyShoe> yep
<Koenma> can anymore explain to me why my tower page isn't working right?
<DL> morale is currently very high since im only lv 0
<DL> around 200
<Wayward_Son> ok guys i have to blitz
<Wayward_Son> thanks for the help TDS
<DL> now orries
<Wayward_Son> gl to you all
<DL> thanks for the help
<JamesDale> You guys have created a great simulation and I thank you for my newest addiction <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> Any questions remaining?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Koenma- try closing other applicationss
<Theseus> vehicle design: you have to research the requirements and then each individual design, right?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Yes
<JamesDale> do mass infantry attacks work in LW?
<TheDeadlyShoe> However-
<TheDeadlyShoe> before researching any variant, you must first research the base design
<TheDeadlyShoe> @ James, no
<TheDeadlyShoe> unless MAYBE in ABR
<Theseus> damn, that's a lotta RP
<Zat{G}_afk> anyone know the wl of a 0/0 rhino?
<TheDeadlyShoe> tell me about it <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> No clue @ Zat
<TheDeadlyShoe> let me think
<Zat{G}> k...
<TheDeadlyShoe> whats the bv on that
<TheDeadlyShoe> i can guesstimate for ya
<Zat{G}> ummm....
<TheDeadlyShoe> ballpark
<Zat{G}> some where like 6k mabey...
<JamesDale> Thanks for the help, and again for the addiction <img src="/w3timages/icons/smile.gif" alt="" />
<TheDeadlyShoe> 4.5 - 5
<Zat{G}> a 4A's more than that i'm pretty sure
<Theseus> what's wl?
<Terris> I have a question: Is there any easy way to locate empire that has attacked me? I mean other than jumping around map searching for sectors belongig to that empire?
<TheDeadlyShoe> WL is War Level
<TheDeadlyShoe> Terris: there a couple ways
<Zat{G}> if it is in a faction, check the directory for his cities
<TheDeadlyShoe> if the empire is in a faction, you can go to the relevant faction's page and locate his largest city
<TheDeadlyShoe> of cours eyou can locate any attacks he has done in the war log
<TheDeadlyShoe> other than that, you will have to look around or ask around
<Zat{G}> u can ask him if he's stupid enough to answer
<TheDeadlyShoe> it is easier if you can color his empire on the map ~
<Terris> He attacked one of my sectors that is inside my borders (not border sector) and he does not seem to be close to me...
<Terris> color him on the map how?
<TheDeadlyShoe> Probably a paradrop
<TheDeadlyShoe> if you select an empire on the map, you can click on their name, and it brings up a dialog in which you can enter a RGB color code
<TheDeadlyShoe> all that empires zones will be displayed in that color from now on in the level 1, 2, and 3 maps
<TheDeadlyShoe> (Not the level 4 map, though.)
<Terris> OK, thanks...
<TheDeadlyShoe> np
<TheDeadlyShoe> Any further questions?
<Terris> hmmm...
Session Close: Fri Oct 03 16:44:18 2003
Edited by ShadowMasterCM (03/29/13 11:02 PM)
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Re: Chat Log
#74117 - 10/10/03 01:10 AM (4.41.51.27)
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Here's another, later chat log, though this one is only partially complete. Thanks Silpheed!
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[15:58] *** Topic is: Welcome to the new player Q/A session. All questions should be about current gameplay.
[15:58] *** Topic set by Wayward_Son on Tue Oct 7 3:09 PM
[15:58] <Wayward_Son> all yall vets out of here
[15:58] <TheDeadlyShoe> cya 
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[15:58] <Kappa7> I am assuming you need 2000pop/BV to become level two and 3000pop/bv to become level three, right?
[15:58] <Brolcher> ugh i guess ill try and bug randy
[15:59] <Rianna_Rose> no its logrithmic Kappa
[15:59] * Brolcher throws some papres around
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[15:59] <Wayward_Son> 2k for level 2, 5k for level 3, 10k for 4 20k for 5 50k for 6 100k for 7...
[15:59] <Surge_[Kizo]> 1,25
[15:59] <Kappa7> i hate math
[15:59] <Rianna_Rose> hehe
[15:59] <Rianna_Rose> there ya go
[15:59] <Kappa7> thanks i think i got it now
[15:59] <Kappa7> see ya guys
[15:59] <Rianna_Rose> see ya
[15:59] <Wayward_Son> Gunner_DPpool, Rianna_Rose, Loyalis[LIFE-OP], Tad_Ghostal out out out. Tired of yall hijacking my new player Q/A's
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[16:00] <Rianna_Rose> hey I'm a new player 8) I'm the perpetual new player 8)
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> lol
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> just cause you're a n00b doesnt mean you're a new player 
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[16:00] <Wayward_Son> ok so what other questions do the rest of yall have?
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> no PlanckThePinkSquirrel, out
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> leave
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> no vets allowed
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> skedaddle
[16:00] <PlanckThePinkSquirrel> vets?
[16:00] <Rianna_Rose> hey thats not nice 8)
[16:00] <PlanckThePinkSquirrel> lol
[16:00] <Wayward_Son> no
[16:00] <PlanckThePinkSquirrel> everyone calls me a noob
[16:00] <PlanckThePinkSquirrel> in chat
[16:00] <PlanckThePinkSquirrel> lol
[16:01] <Tad_Ghostal> me too
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[16:01] <Rianna_Rose> actually I'm just tring to be brought back up to speedd on all that I missed while I was away
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[16:01] <Wayward_Son> thats cool Rianna_Rose
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[16:01] <Wayward_Son> so no one else has any questions?
[16:01] <Rianna_Rose> I'll just sit and listen
[16:01] <Wayward_Son> i dont mind if you ask
[16:01] <Tad_Ghostal> would where do babies come from be not apropreate?
[16:01] <Wayward_Son> its just that vets keep coming in and turning it into a FFA Q/A session
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[16:02] <LDegrelle> sorry, arena question way earlier was about 2 empires on 1 empire battle
[16:02] <Rianna_Rose> From Bio engineers
[16:02] * Warrior[LIFE]{DI} is a newbie. I'd like to know how to delete Randy.
[16:02] <Tad_Ghostal> that makes so much sence now
[16:02] <Wayward_Son> you have to come to Arizona and live for a week in the hole next to randys house
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[16:02] * Warrior[LIFE]{DI} shudders
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[16:02] <Warrior[LIFE]{DI}> No Thank You
[16:02] <Wayward_Son> hi guys
[16:02] <Rianna_Rose> oh can I ask something 8)
[16:02] <Wayward_Son> any Q's I can answer for ya?
[16:02] <KingZeus> Hi
[16:03] * Rianna_Rose raises hand REALLY high
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[16:03] <Rianna_Rose> what's the deal with the English major?
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[16:03] <Surge_[Kizo]> ya
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[16:03] <Rianna_Rose> I have a friend who is a creative writing major...
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[16:03] <Wayward_Son> i'm all set Rianna_Rose, thanks though
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[16:03] <Rianna_Rose> ok 8)
[16:04] <Egwene> pls don't kb me WW, i am still relatively new, just got lucky in BF choice and who he knew
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[16:04] <Wayward_Son> lol
[16:04] <Wayward_Son> np
[16:04] <Wayward_Son> Q"s?
[16:04] <KingZeus> I have one...
[16:05] <LDegrelle> having trouble scrolling up without updating and getting focus to the bottom - was the 2 on 1 doable in arena?
[16:05] <Rianna_Rose> thanks for the tip on attacking people right away WW 8) my new empire is about to take its first zone
[16:05] <Egwene> which are better? commercials or factories?
[16:05] <KingZeus> Are infantry actually any good?
[16:05] <Wayward_Son> LDegrelle you have to have the 2 units in a lance together
[16:05] <Wayward_Son> and then the ther 2 units in that lance either need to be missing or in transit or something
[16:05] <Wayward_Son> its complex
[16:05] <Surge_[Kizo]> Will empires ever be able to produce DP only mechs?
[16:05] <Wayward_Son> but you have the option to attack with lances and companies
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[16:06] <Wayward_Son> Egwene commericals are unless you produce something of profitable nature
[16:06] <Wayward_Son> KingZeus infantry are very specialized at the moment
[16:06] <Wayward_Son> they are good for certain things but not others
[16:06] <Wayward_Son> for the most part, no they are not any good
[16:06] <Slord> I have one:
[16:06] <Wayward_Son> infantry will be getting an overhaul most likely this fall
[16:06] <Slord> a question i mean
[16:06] <Egwene> but in order to produce you need factories
[16:06] <Wayward_Son> yes Egwene
[16:07] <Surge_[Kizo]> Will empires ever be able to produce DP only mechs?
[16:07] <Prowler> Q: can you plz put in PPC or LRM inf
[16:07] <KingZeus> ah... because i have a company of infantry... can I still convert them to builders?
[16:07] <Wayward_Son> the amount of research that it would take to produce a mad-4a is still years off for kizo major, much less any other empire
[16:07] <Egwene> i plan on overtaking Kizo in producing one of these days
[16:07] <Wayward_Son> its not something I'm even going to worry about right now
[16:07] <Rianna_Rose> hehe
[16:07] <Slord> =/ can i ask my question now
[16:07] <KingZeus> :-D Lol
[16:08] <Wayward_Son> lol Egwene, well you better get an alliance together to attack kizo major then, cause nobody will catch him unless someone takes a bite out of his ass
[16:08] <Surge_[Kizo]> how did I know that was gonna be the answer
[16:08] <Rianna_Rose> hehe a REALLY big bite
[16:08] <Wayward_Son> mad-4a's arent even donation only
[16:08] <Surge_[Kizo]> I know, but a Nem for instance
[16:08] <Egwene> well being as how he bought all of HoC just about, and those of us left have a CF with him til like April, thats unlikely 
[16:08] <Wayward_Son> would take like 30 RL years for Kizo Major to research
[16:09] <Wayward_Son> any other new player gameplay related questions?
[16:09] <Slord> i had one but you wont answer me
[16:09] <Rianna_Rose> hehe plus they will probably take a huge stockpile of Neveronium to produce 8)
[16:09] <Pirates1> is there a help for Mark II weapons?
[16:09] <KingZeus> I heard something about a gauss Urbie... what was that about please...
[16:10] <myn> hey about the newbie tournament in a couple hours...
[16:10] <myn> i assume i can't enter units that are training....
[16:10] <myn> right?
[16:10] <Rianna_Rose> there's a tourneyment?
[16:10] <Egwene> 0-3 lvl only
[16:10] <Egwene> lance only
[16:10] <Wayward_Son> when Genyosha Prime became the first empire ever to produce mechs we allowed them to produce 10 Urbies with gauss rifles on them as a kind of prize
[16:11] <Wayward_Son> these mechs were given to 10 different empires at random
[16:11] <Wayward_Son> myn that is correct
[16:11] <myn> oh.
[16:11] <KingZeus> ah thanks..
[16:11] <myn> too bad. all my guys are busy.
[16:11] <Rianna_Rose> wow thats cool
[16:11] <Wayward_Son> there will be lots more myn, dont sweat it
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[16:11] <myn> ok.
[16:11] <Pirates1> i dont know what AC/5 MkII does or a LRM-10 mkII
[16:11] <Prowler> Q: can you plz put in PPC or LRM inf
[16:12] <Wayward_Son> infantry will be getting an overhaul of sorts in the coming months. I doubt they will get ppc's or lrm's but they will get cool stuff
[16:12] <Rianna_Rose> satchel charges?
[16:12] <KingZeus> they'd be cool... but they might crisp themselves on the PPC... lol... and probably v. expensive... :-(
[16:12] <Wayward_Son> ok i have like 10 more mins
[16:12] <FMBOT2K> they getting armor?
[16:12] <Wayward_Son> if you have anything you would like to ask now is the time
[16:12] <AcidDog> Could u change the prize of low lv tournies
[16:12] <Wayward_Son> they will get armor eventually, yes
[16:12] <Prowler> ELEMENTALS
[16:12] <Prowler> PLZ
[16:13] <Egwene> prowler hush
[16:13] <Pirates1> Q: what are mk II weapons doing?
[16:13] <Egwene> ty WW for your time
[16:13] <Rianna_Rose> I say satchel charges... a bonus on damage against Mecha and vehicles in the same zone
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[16:13] <Wayward_Son> it varies pirate, some have better range or increased damage
[16:13] <Rianna_Rose> keep the little guys from getting stepped on so much 8)
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[16:13] <Pirates1> is there a help for that?
[16:13] <Wayward_Son> no, sorry
[16:13] <Wayward_Son> we are working on that though
[16:14] <Prowler> Q: WW can you put in Elementals?
[16:14] <Wayward_Son> best thign to do is look at a vehicle with them
[16:14] * Pirates1 nods
[16:14] <Wayward_Son> Prowler I answered that question already
[16:14] <Prowler> i didnt see it
[16:14] <Wayward_Son> anything else folks?
[16:14] <Prowler> :/
[16:15] <Wayward_Son> Prowler infantry will be getting an overhaul and getting all kinds of nifty stuff
[16:15] <Prowler> power armour ?
[16:15] <Prowler> lol
[16:15] <Wayward_Son> anyone?
[16:15] <Wayward_Son> Bueler?
[16:15] <Surge_[Kizo]> Q:can you make research better, lol
[16:15] [Silpheed] when, roughly, are player owned dropships going to be added, if at all?
[16:16] [Silpheed] random question...
[16:16] <Wayward_Son> player owned DS's are not currently on list
[16:16] <KingZeus> Dropships would be devastating.... but cool... and very expensive... i would imagine...
[16:16] <Rianna_Rose> While conquering this city your troops looted $72,000!
[16:16] <Rianna_Rose> You have captured 0 Basic Metals, 0 Combustables, 0 Precous Metals, 0 Rare Earth, 0 Radioactives 0 Neveronium from your target's factories.
[16:16] [Silpheed] ah, ok. just heard something about that on the forums.
[16:16] <Rianna_Rose> hehe
[16:16] <KingZeus> lol
[16:17] <FMBOT2K> are landmines going to be working soon? i've been back from not playing for six months..
[16:17] <KingZeus> Landmines existed? cool...
[16:17] <Surge_[Kizo]> no
[16:17] <Surge_[Kizo]> they can be researched
[16:17] <FMBOT2K> they are reserchable
[16:17] <Surge_[Kizo]> I'm not sure if they have ever worked yet
[16:17] <Surge_[Kizo]> not coded in
[16:17] <FMBOT2K> *researchable bah spelling ^_^
[16:18] <KingZeus> argh... I haven't got the hang of research yet... :-(
[16:18] [Silpheed] what are "inferno rounds" ?
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[16:18] <Wayward_Son> no FMBOT2K we are not currently working on land mines
[16:18] <Wayward_Son> inferno rounds and land mines are currntly just prereq's
[16:19] <Surge_[Kizo]> Ya, but are they like flaming bullets
[16:19] [Silpheed] they sound awesome
[16:19] <KingZeus> *burnnnny*
[16:19] <Surge_[Kizo]> burninate!
[16:19] <Wayward_Son> they are incendiary rounds that start fires
[16:19] <Wayward_Son> fire is not coded yet
[16:19] <Surge_[Kizo]> could do wonders for building plunders
[16:19] <Wayward_Son> ok anything else?
[16:20] <FMBOT2K> should i be getting tax if i have no commecials
[16:20] * Pirates1 thanks for the answers
[16:20] <Surge_[Kizo]> Q: How much does Neveron make annualy, and no, I really dont expect a stright answer from this
[16:21] <Denikin> nimon gives about 100k/RL year alone
[16:21] [Silpheed] that's not all to the admins though, is it?
[16:23] <Wayward_Son> Surge_[Kizo] we are a private company and we do not disclose our earnings. We spent many years deep in debt and are just realizing a profitable business. Nimon does not give 100k/year and has, to my knowledge, only been playing for about 6 months.
[16:23] <FMBOT2K> hehe
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[16:23] <Denikin> lol his estimated rate
[16:24] <FMBOT2K> i've heard mines will go out once overused, will new mining areas be radomly placed?
[16:24] <Wayward_Son> please read the admin update
[16:24] <Surge_[Kizo]> hehe
[16:24] <FMBOT2K> hehe
[16:25] [Silpheed] i know this has probably been answered several times already, but what is the difference between the levels of repair facilities?
[16:25] <Surge_[Kizo]> they do diffrent things
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[16:25] <FMBOT2K> figures i'd miss that part hehe
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[16:27] <FMBOT2K> how much of an ore can we expect to mine before it expires, or does that vary too much
[16:27] <KingZeus> excellent. Thats some more commercials building.
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[16:28] <Rianna_Rose> its a 1% chance each day of expiring
[16:28] <Surge_[Kizo]> and about 100 real days till they will expire for sure
[16:28] <dracs> how does the research thing work? i can't seem to get the hang of it.
[16:28] <Rianna_Rose> you may have it for a few ours or a few years... its random
[16:28] <Surge_[Kizo]> it is?
[16:29] <Rianna_Rose> I wouldn't say that Surge
[16:29] <Rianna_Rose> thats what Randy said yesterday
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[16:29] <Wayward_Son> on average they will expire in 100 days
[16:29] <Rianna_Rose> but as soon as it poofs another appears somewhere on the map
[16:29] <Surge_[Kizo]> oh
[16:29] <LDegrelle> any chance of this Q/A session being available as a Download on your site afetr the fact?
[16:29] <Rianna_Rose> hehe which is a 1% chance each day 8)
[16:30] <Wayward_Son> usually TDS logs them and posts them to the forums
[16:30] <Wayward_Son> but he left
[16:30] <LDegrelle> ahhh
[16:30] <Crazyjeep> question, I got attacked, and have been building population, but my research has never come back
[16:30] <Wayward_Son> most of this information can easily be found in the forums, admin updates, help or just asking someone
[16:30] <Wayward_Son> you need more pop
[16:30] <Surge_[Kizo]> I'm just mad that I missed that 20 DP starter thing
[16:30] <LDegrelle> well heck, what am i doing wasting my time here
[16:30] <Crazyjeep> wayward, built like 3000 pop so far, still nothing
[16:30] <Wayward_Son> Surge_[Kizo] the 20 DP starter pack is a permanent item
[16:30] <Rianna_Rose> wow what 20 DP starter thing?
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> its 2nd on the list on the Donate page
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> Crazyjeep look at your finance page
[16:31] <Surge_[Kizo]> I know, I'm level 4
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> if you employent in 100% then you need more workers
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> ahh i see
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> well you can always start another empire
[16:31] <Rianna_Rose> wow thats really cool
[16:31] <Surge_[Kizo]> You'd like that woulden't you
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[16:31] <Wayward_Son> sorry if it is less than 100%
[16:31] <Crazyjeep> it is. about 80%
[16:31] <Wayward_Son> ack
[16:32] <Wayward_Son> i keep mixing this up
[16:32] <Wayward_Son> ok so 80% employment
[16:32] <Wayward_Son> what is your research mult at?
[16:32] <Wayward_Son> should be 100%
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[16:32] <Surge_[Kizo]> have you tooled all of your facilities?
[16:32] <LDegrelle> any easy way to upgrade building to new CF levels? or just knock em down and rebuild em?
[16:33] <Wayward_Son> currently you must delete em and rebuil;d
[16:33] <Wayward_Son> but you are better off building new ones elsewhere
[16:33] <Crazyjeep> hold on
[16:33] <LDegrelle> no $$ back for recycling materials ?
[16:33] <dracs> could anyone tell me how to get my research multiplier to go up
[16:33] <Crazyjeep> so ur saying those 20 or so research facilites i have are worthless?
[16:33] <LDegrelle> 1) join faction
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[16:33] <LDegrelle> 2) 100% employment
[16:33] <Pirates> bog, open the forum page closed my chat
[16:33] <TheDeadlyShoe> It's always been that way, unfortunately
[16:34] <Surge_[Kizo]> I hate that thing
[16:34] <TheDeadlyShoe> they use the same popup target
[16:34] <LDegrelle> need that 4/1 ratio for population to jobs
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> no Crazyjeep, I was asking what your researchmult is
[16:34] <Surge_[Kizo]> All you need to do is right click on the link and hit open in new window
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> ok i gotta get back to work
[16:34] <Pirates> ahh
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> so TDS here is going to take over
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> thanks for coming yall
[16:34] <Surge_[Kizo]> We'll all miss you
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> there will probably be another on Thursday
[16:34] <LDegrelle> ok, does population cross zones?
[16:34] <Surge_[Kizo]> yes
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> and look out for tournies
[16:34] <Wayward_Son> yes LDegrelle
[16:35] <LDegrelle> i.e. excess in one zone can fill jobs in other zone?
[16:35] <KingZeus> thanks
[16:35] <LDegrelle> great - thx
[16:35] [Silpheed] alright, there's this pic at http://www.dunmire.us/Combat.jpg, is that a planned interface, or what?
[16:35] <Wayward_Son> sort of
[16:35] [Silpheed] it looks cool
[16:35] <Wayward_Son> that was an early prototype
[16:35] * Pirates has never been on forum site before, is that new?
[16:35] <Wayward_Son> i will be putting the new battle skin in soon
[16:35] <Wayward_Son> no Pirates
[16:35] <Denikin> how soon?
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[16:35] <Crazyjeep> multiplier is 0%
[16:35] <Nabby> you need more pop
[16:36] <Nabby> to get your multiplier up to 100%
[16:36] <Prowler> lol
[16:36] <Rianna_Rose> I have one request when it comes to the arena windows
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[16:36] <Nabby> also
[16:36] <Wayward_Son> Forgot my hat
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[16:36] <Nabby> if you join a faction
[16:36] <LDegrelle> how many residential bldgs do you have and how many research blgds you have?
[16:36] <Nabby> you will go over 100%
[16:36] <Nabby> you have to have
[16:36] <TheDeadlyShoe> Hey Guys, Randy is searching for tourney ideas, anyone have a preference?
[16:36] <Rianna_Rose> can we please be able to drag the top frame so the scroll bar doesn't cover the names of the units when we have more that 4 people selected
[16:36] <Nabby> 4:1 res to research
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[16:37] <Nabby> 1/4 of pop actually works
[16:37] <Rianna_Rose> a locust 1M tourney would be fun 8)
[16:37] <LDegrelle> i hate to be a royal pain the butt waywardson - another arena question
[16:37] <Nabby> for everyone building that needs men to work at
[16:38] <TheDeadlyShoe> I see no wayward son..
[16:38] <Nabby> you need 4 resident builds
[16:38] [Silpheed] there is only shoe...
[16:38] <Rianna_Rose> haha Wayward left
[16:38] <LDegrelle> okie doke
[16:38] <Nabby> what is the question?
[16:38] <FMBOT2K> swift wind tounrey!
[16:38] <Nabby> someone might know the answer
[16:38] <Nabby> lol
[16:38] <LDegrelle> will we be able to bring in mixed units in future or can we now?
[16:38] <LDegrelle> infantry and vehicles etc
[16:38] <Nabby> you can now
[16:38] <Nabby> but
[16:38] <LDegrelle> well all right then
[16:39] <Nabby> they have to be in groups
[16:39] <Rianna_Rose> depends on the tourney
[16:39] <LDegrelle> have to be in group - right
[16:39] <LDegrelle> for lance - is it any 4 units?
[16:39] <Nabby> yeah
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