Karagin
12/21/03 09:08 AM
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Okay I was wondering...would it have been possible or is it possible for the Dragoons to have built Clan verisons of the Warhammer and other older mechs after the Clans showed up? Or would they have just update their existing mechs?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
12/21/03 10:03 AM
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Y'know, I'm just not sure.
As I recall...didn't the Dragoons give Victor a Daishi? If so, then, yes, they can upgrade and completely build Clan tech from scratch.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Spartan
12/21/03 10:28 AM
67.64.149.89
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But did they build or capture and repair that Daishi?
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
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marlin
12/21/03 01:36 PM
62.104.208.76
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Outreach has complete Battlemech Productions. Therefore, the 2 Daishis for Hohiro and Victor were produced there.
Also they gave a licence to Blackwell Industries, who are able to build specific machines for the WolfDragoons and other Units.
They brought the stuff from the Clans. As well as their iron wombs.
The Gallowglass WD is from Blackwell, I think. It has got Clan weapons.
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Nightward
12/21/03 05:51 PM
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Welcome back.
Outreach has a number of Star League-era 'Mech factories built underground that were forgotten about by everyone except the Clans (and thus Jaime Wolf). The Wolf Pack can build Clan equipment; they manufacture their own OmniMechs and the "WD" model of the Gallowglas, which is equipped with Clan gear.
So, yeah. They can. They could even build War Hammer IICs if they want to. Even though the 'Hammer IIC isn't that great. Personally, I would rather upgrade a WHR-Whatever War Hammer with Clan PPCs than pilot a 'Hammer IIC, but that could just be me.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Ghost
12/22/03 12:17 AM
64.123.20.67
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To me, it would depend on which era you are refering to. Currently, yes they can produce that model and several others. However, before the Clan Invasion, no they couldn't or wouldn't. I say the wouldn't simply because a sudden new model like that tends to draw attention to you.
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Nightward
12/22/03 03:48 AM
211.26.64.10
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LOL.
The Wolf Dragoons showed up out of nowhere, equipped with 5 regiments of Star League-era 'Mechs, a giant orbital manufacturing platform (Hephaestus) and a WarShip (Black Lion-Class). Why not go the whole hog?
Ahh. The story of the Wolf Dragoons is indeed entertaining reading...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Spartan
12/22/03 10:13 AM
67.64.149.89
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I know they have full mech production facilities but that does not necessarily mean that they can build Daishis. Yes they brought equipment from the clans but what they brought was older equipment not the newer front line omnimechs. Why would they even have the blueprints for them?
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
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tgsofgc
12/22/03 10:26 AM
67.4.194.214
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I didn't think they had any production facilities of their own till they were given Outreach. Granted they had techs and plenty of spare parts, not to mention a number of resupply runs back home. As to clan equipment production, I guess since they invaded there is no reason for them not to anymore, plus its been at least hinted at that they have been producing some clan weapons for quite a while to repair their mechs (read as since Outreach). About the Daishis I was always under the impression that they were salvage (or left overs from one of those supply runs) that was just returned to like new condition, namely they dumped clan weapons they could produce into it etc... If they could produce the clan's premier assaut class omni mech at factories that they haphazardly restored with little help from any IS powers that is a little bit beyond the suspension of disbelief right?
I'd say since they have Outreach the dragoons can produce clan versions of most weapons and some types of equipment, however their production facilities are currently limited to producing Battlemechs (not omni mechs and omni pods), and especially those that aren't built on a clan chasis (ie not clan fusion xl engines, no clan endo steel, etc.).
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Nightward
12/22/03 03:55 PM
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"I didn't think they had any production facilities of their own till they were given Outreach."
They had Haphaestus for a while, then it turned out that no-one in the Inner Sphere had anything like that, so it got disappeared. They bought Blackwell Industries even before they were given Outreach; Blackwell built them Hoplites, Annihilators, and Marauder Mark IIs.
"As to clan equipment production, I guess since they invaded there is no reason for them not to anymore, plus its been at least hinted at that they have been producing some clan weapons for quite a while to repair their mechs (read as since Outreach). About the Daishis I was always under the impression that they were salvage (or left overs from one of those supply runs) that was just returned to like new condition, namely they dumped clan weapons they could produce into it etc..."
Nope. All-new 'Mechs produced on Outreach from the specifications they got from their last Suply Run to the Clans. It's in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy.
"If they could produce the clan's premier assaut class omni mech at factories that they haphazardly restored with little help from any IS powers that is a little bit beyond the suspension of disbelief right?"
The Wolf Dragoons had the knwoledge of the Clans on their side, though. It's be different if, say, the Gray Death Elgion or McCarron's Armoured Cavalry tried it, but with Clan Techs and mothballed Star League-Era factories, anything is possible. Look how fast the Com Guard rebuilt after Tukayyid and how quickly the Word of Blake has grown.
"I'd say since they have Outreach the dragoons can produce clan versions of most weapons and some types of equipment, however their production facilities are currently limited to producing Battlemechs (not omni mechs and omni pods), and especially those that aren't built on a clan chasis (ie not clan fusion xl engines, no clan endo steel, etc.). "
The Wolf Dragoons only really fought the Clans on Luthien, although they did raid Clan Wolf to get Christian Mansdotter back from them as well. Though the Dragoons certainly have the cash to fling around and buy Clan gear, the sheer number and quality of Clan equipm,ent in use by the Dragoons (including Elemental armour) is incredible. Plus they built the Dire Wolves given to Hohiro and Victor, so at the least, they can do that.
It'll be intereesting to see in the updated Mercs book what the Wolf Pack has been up to of late. I'm predicting retirement from Jaime and Maeve having taken over; they may have grown some, too. But as long as the Black Thorns make a return, I'll be happy. Jeremiah Rose is t3h 0wn.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Nightward
12/22/03 03:58 PM
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As it says in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy, they got the OmniMech specifications during their last supply run to the Clans. The Wolf Dragoons hadn't even seen the Clans when the leaders arrived on Outreach, and no-one had stopped the Clans (except for the Combine, and you can bet they didn't hand their Dire Wolves over to Jaime).
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Ignorant_Savage
12/22/03 10:28 PM
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i definatly remember a mention of the dragoons being supplied with omnimech blueprints during one of their supply runs.
i also remember some mention of them being able to produce clan mech on outreach.
sorry i can't cite some specific examples. i've been digging through all my source material.. when i get ahold of something solid i'll let you know... i know it's out there, it's just finding it.
- Savage
"Those who trade away essential freedoms for a little saftey deserve neither freedom or saftey."
- Benjamin Franklin
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Spartan
12/24/03 01:56 AM
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Then I stand corrected. Sorry, my timeline isn't up to speed, guess I need to get my sourcebooks back out and reread them, check dates, etc.
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
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TenakaFurey
12/24/03 01:31 PM
128.147.28.1
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Well, the Dragoons have spent the better opart of the last forty years on Outreach.
During that time, they've revitalised and rebuilt many of the worlds factories. They are fully capable of building Clan tech and were capable of doing so by 3050.
However, there is a problem. Production levels are, for various reasons, low. This is partly why they developed the LE. Its easier to produce. Add in that they may not have the blueprints for the older Mechs and various updates are more likely.
EJL
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Thor_Mech
02/20/04 12:18 PM
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Yeah, the Dragoons in The Blood of kerensky Trilogy were unable to build the highest Clan tech. Instead, they could produce things a bit better than Star League Originals. But remember, Thomas Marik still sold his Field Mod packs to the Dragoons (Battle of Luthien). If they could produce Clan-Level tech, why would they buy second-rate junk? Clan tech weighs less, fires faster, and hits harder than their direct IS equivalent. i.e. A Clanner PPC is eons ahead of even the most advanced IS PPC with greater range, power, weight reduction...
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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