Revenant
06/19/04 08:33 AM
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I have never liked the way that the Yakuza regiments raised by Theodore Kurita after the 4th War continue to be referred to as the Ghost Regiments (even by themselves)...the term 'Ghost' Regiments was an intelligence appellation given to them by the enemies of the Combine due to their actual name being unknown outside of the DC. They should imo have a name of their own, which might become known as time went on. I came up with the following for use in my campaign and thought I'd share it here;
I decided to use the title 'Ryo no Tomo' (Friends of the Dragon) which is used in the Heir to the Dragon novel as their collective name. They wear the badge of a black moon on a night sky, superimposed with the japanese character for Dragon. Individual regiments within the formation do not have regimental badges, but do retain 'honour titles' derived from their Yakuza origins, these are as follows at 3040;
1st Ryo-no-Tomo : Kuroi Kiri (Black Mist)
Combat Rating - Elite
2nd Ryo-no-Tomo : Torafuyu (Winter Tiger)
Combat Rating - Regular
3rd Ryo-no-Tomo : Ryugawa (Dragon River)
Combat Rating - Regular
4th Ryo-no-Tomo : Kenkage (Shadow Sword)
Combat Rating - Regular
5th Ryo-no-Tomo : Tsuiteikujingi (The Followers of Jingi)
Combat Rating - Regular
6th Ryo-no-Tomo : Akatsuki (Red Moon)
Combat Rating - Regular
7th Ryo-no-Tomo : Ongyo-no-mono (People of Hidden Form)
Combat Rating - Regular
8th Ryo-no-Tomo : Bishamoni (Servants of Bishamon)
Combat Rating - Regular
9th Ryo-no-Tomo : Otokodate (Chivalrous Fellows)
Combat Rating - Veteran
10th Ryo-no-Tomo : kuma-Ishi (Stone Bear)
Combat Rating - Veteran
11th Ryo-no-Tomo : Hakadai (Great Hawk)
Combat Rating - Regular
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Nightward
06/19/04 07:55 PM
203.134.41.242
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Eh.
I'm staring at my copy of the 20-Year Update right now. All it says is that WolfNet refers to them as "ghost regiments".
This could very well be the name the DCMS gave to them.
In Japan, death is a very taboo subject- never discussed in polite company. Mentioning it is thought to bring disgrace and poor luck. Ghosts only ever return from beyond death to restore honour to a family or prevent a grave tragedy from occurring.
In English, a ghost is the soul of a dead person, back to haunt the living. It doesn't really exist, can pass through solid objects, but becomes horrifyingly real to its targets.
Yakuza likewise are taboo. Dishonourable scum. This fits with the Japanse ethos- but viewed in English, it also fits the bill for the way the Ghost Regiments were concieved and used. Theodore ahd a fair relationship with the ISF via Subhash Indrahar, so it's not too unlikely that he would have known that outside intelligence groups were calling them the Ghost Regiments. That probably would have appealed to Theodore.
In Japanese, the terms Dragon and Friend are both very important. Dragons are powerful creatures, who bring luck and protection to their allies and terrible destruction to their foes. Friends are highly valued and highly trusted.
In the Combine, the Coordinator is the Dragon. The DCMS are the Arm of the Dragon, the Pillar of Steel which supports and protects society at large.
Calling a bunch of rabble, dishonourable scum "Friends of the Dragon" would insult the DCMS at large and stain the honour of the Combine as a whole. This would be seen as a bad thing, especially by the hard-core extremists who opposed every move the then-Kanrei Theodore Kurita made.
These opponents would likely have seen the formation of a unit called the Friends of the Dragon to be a very direct challenge and insult to Coordinator Takashi Kurita. Calling them the Ghost Regiments, which in their eyes would denigrate the Yakuza units, would have substantially less of a sting.
I'm thinking the term "Ghost Regiment" isn't such a bad one to apply. The way the DCMS works, it could be that someone made a joke of it, and it then stuck- after all, the Yakuza are honourless dogs who should be happy they were given a name at all.
Regarding the Regiments themselves:
First Ghost Regiment: The Many-Coloured Winds of Fate
Created by the Kuromaku (liason between the various Yakuza factions and the DCMS) back in '33, the First Ghost are fanatically loyal to Theodore Kurita personally and to the Draconis Combine only by default. Composed of many different Yakuza factions, the 1st Ghost are shunned by the rest of the Yakuza (and by extension the other Ghost Regiments) because they have turned their backs on their former Oyabun to better serve the Dragon. Formidable fighters, the First Ghost Regiment was given Veteran status at its inception.
2nd Ghost: Destroyed wholesale by the Clans. No information.
3rd Ghost: Tribute of the Many Rains of Spring
Formed from the Nezumi (Rat) Yakuza faction, the 3rd Ghost Regiment suffered massive reversals in 3040 after Yasir Nezumi, Oyabun of the Clan decided to have Takashi Kurita assassinated in the mistaken belief it was what Theodore wanted. Theodore prevented the attempt, and the Kuromaku of the time, Piotr Hitsu, killed Yasir Nezumi. Following this, the 3rd Ghost fell spectacularly from grace with the DCMS as they were all tarred with the same brush. This suspicion did little to endear the DCMS to the 3rd Ghost, who have since pursued as isolonationist a policy as possible. The 3rd Ghost are ranked as Veteran.
4rth Ghost: Destroyed wholesale by the Clans. No information available.
Fifth Ghost: The Mirrored Edge of Dedication
Similar to the First Ghost, the Fifth were formed from many Yakuza factions and have all-but turned their backs on their criminal past. Since they are stationed on the appropriately named backwater planet of Nowhere, the Oyabun can't be bothered to return them to the fold, judging it a waste of time and effort to do so. The Fifth Ghost has entered into an odd relationship with the DCMS and the Bureau of Administration: they perform above and beyond the call of duty and provide additional intelligence to the DCMS in the expectation that the DCMS will then provide them with better facilities, training, and equipment. The ISF regards the 5th as Fanatically loyal because of their devotion to the Combine and Theodore- as long as they recieve the appropriate treatment in reward.
6th Ghost Regiment: Life Through Service
A regiment primarily composed of women and heimin- people of the lower classes- the 6th Ghost Regiment is perhaps the only unit in the DCMS that can equal the legendary adaptability of the Ryuken-Ni. The Regiment fights in highly cohesive, yet bizarrely unpredictable style, and has been classified as Veteran in experience and Fanatical in loyalty. However, its composition and lack of honour in combat means the Bureau of Administration is somewhat less than willing to provide it with the equipment it needs to become a truly deadly force.
Seventh Ghost Regiment: Cleansed by Dragon's Dark Passing
The Seventh Ghost is composed of the least desirable Yakuza. Far from seeing this as a problem, however, the Seventh Ghost refuses to dwell on the past and makes it clear to its personell that enlisting in the DCMS has stripped them of what they used to be and re-made them into honourable men. Each member of the Seventh Ghost is judged solely on thei performance as a member of the DCMS. As one might expect, the Seventh Ghost is a varied lot, bringing an incredible array of personal skills to any battle. The Seventh Ghost have performed well above expectations, and specializes in seige warfare. They disdain camoflage, instead painting their 'Mechs pure white with steel grey accents. A silvered chain begins at the 'Mech's right wrist and coils around the 'Mech, shattered over the 'Mech's heart where a large Kurita crest resides.
Eighth Ghost, Ninth Ghost: Destroyed wholesale by the Clans. The Eight Ghost was integrated into the Thenth Ghost.
Tenth Ghost Regiment: Flames of Kindred Spirits
After the Eight Ghost was almost destroyed and the TYenth Ghost badly damaged during the Clan War, the DCMS decided to combine the two units to bolster the Tenth back to full strength. The DCMS had thought that the Ghost Regiment's staus as former Yakuza members who had survived the horrors of the Clan War would mak them amenable to the process; however, they had not reckoned with the formidable blood feud that raged between the two rival Yakuza factions from which the Regiments had been drawn. Predicatably, the two factions have gone at it hammer and tongs since the integration; every trooper wants to do things the way they did it in their old regiment. Additionally, a third of the unit was composed of Yakuza from yet another faction; the DCMS had hoped these might be a stabilizing force, but instead they rejected the overtures of the first two groups- and their bribes and threats- and refused to have anything to do with the situation. The DCMS responded to the situation by infiltrating the command chain with hand-pciked agents. These men are all instructors from the prestigious Sun Tzu School of Combat, and have given the three factions a fourth faction to unite against- the command staff. The rifts are slowly healing, but the unit is regarded as Regular in experience and Questionable in loyalty.
Eleventh Ghost Regiment: Bringers of Light and Life
The Eleventh Ghost was formed after the Rekara Oyabun decided he might be able to fleece the DCMS and increase his own profits. He offerred to provide 25% of the necessary equipment and 'Mechs to form a new outfit. Theodore Kurita immediately spotted Rekara's true motives, and fleshed the unit out with ISF moles and assigned them to a backwater planet where the damage they might cause would be limited. The Eleventh Ghost Regiment are defensive specialists and masters of ambush; they have been known to dig 'Mech-sized mantraps and line them with Thunder rounds. So far, the Regular unit has had a sucessful relationship with the DCMS, though it strains the relationship at all times by constantly feuding with the neighbouring 12th Ghost Regiment. The DCMS suspects they might also be attempting to open trade with the Clans, and that their lack of success is primarily explained by their battle of attrition with the Twelfth.
Twelfth Ghost Regiment: Slow Death of the Moon
Theodore formed the Twelfth Ghost to act as a brake on the Eleventh. This experiment has, unfortunately, worked a little too well. Since its inception, the Twelfth Ghost has cut off its relationship with its parent Yakuza Clan, limiting its source of supplies and support. The unit is rated as Green, and with the Miyodo Yakuza attempting to assassinate the unit's command structure, this situation is highly unlikely to improve in the near future. Also not aiding the situation is the fact that a small core of the unit wants to return to the Yakuza, and is formenting unrest within the unit and making life difficult for the DCMS liason.
I like 'em the way they are. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Alshain Avengers. Berzerker fury in the best available 'Mechs? Pure PWNAGE.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/19/04 10:58 PM
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I agree with you except on one point and must comment on another.
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In English, a ghost is the soul of a dead person, back to haunt the living. It doesn't really exist, can pass through solid objects, but becomes horrifyingly real to its targets.
I'm going to have to bring of the case of Casper the Friendly Ghost. Casper was not there to haunt people, he was friendly and helpful; and therefore all ghosts cannot be assumed as haunting images.
 just had to add that in
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Personally, I'm a big fan of the Alshain Avengers. Berzerker fury in the best available 'Mechs? Pure PWNAGE.
The Ghost Bears handed them their @$$es when they tried to retake Ashlain, they made that strike without authorization and woke the ghost bears from their sleep, leading that entire border of the DC into a war. They also had a regiment that was not able to participate in the ashlain assault and ended up fighting the Nova Cats, a potential long time ally of the DC, both are dishonorable actions.
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Nightward
06/20/04 12:59 AM
202.138.40.101
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JStallion, either learn to create a defensible position and protect it with a coherent argument, or stop wasting our time with your trollish posts.
An idiotic children's show entitled "Casper: the FRIENDLY Ghost" does not provide a valid argument to defend your position. The fact that it was even called the FRIENDLY Ghost indicates they were doing so to run against the grain of tradition.
The Alshain Avengers were a plot device.
Much of the BT timeline is.
The Alshain Avengers attacked the Bear's new homeworld of Alshain, and got slapped for it. That is what happens when you attack two full Galaxies of Assualt and Heavy Clan OmniMechs on their home ground.
The DC/NC war is also completely understandable. Mere years before, the Nova Cats joined the Smoke Jaguars in invading and enslaving the noble citizens of the Draconis Combine.
Let us assume that someone attacks Michigan, using a nuclear device. Then they come and say they have had a vision encouraging them to integrate with US society. Do you trust them? No. Do you want them anywhere near you? No. Would you attack them if given a chance? Yes.
Furthermore, the Nova Cat units in question were antagonizing the Combine units. As always, it takes two to tango.
Either submit something useful, or get off the thread.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Revenant
06/20/04 05:45 AM
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>>>Calling a bunch of rabble, dishonourable scum "Friends of the Dragon" would insult the DCMS at large and stain the honour of the Combine as a whole. This would be seen as a bad thing, especially by the hard-core extremists who opposed every move the then-Kanrei Theodore Kurita made.<<<
That the hardliners in the dcms regard the yakuza formations as scum goes without saying. However the yakuza themselves would regard themselves as saviours of the Dragon (as they undoutably were). They are not treated as scum by the Kanrei and his supply services and as of 3040 (when I am playing) they are amongst the best equipped units in the DCMS. Theodore would need to give them a name that showed he valued them (even if the Coordinators samurai fanatics didn't).
In my campaign one character was involved in the creation and training of the regiments and had the unpleasant job of liasing between regular dcms units and the RNT ('Ghost').
I always took the Ghost appelation to be something others referred to them as simply because they didn't know their actual title. That they had to have a name of their own is surely without question.
>>>I like 'em the way they are. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Alshain Avengers. Berzerker fury in the best available 'Mechs? Pure PWNAGE. <<<
Hey, each to their own. I was just sharing my alternate take. Bear in mind I wont be using the Clans either so I will also need to detail the Alshain Regulars at some point.
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Nightward
06/20/04 07:51 PM
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Theodore was busy reconstructing the Genyosha and Ryuken Regiments at the time, as well as negotiating with ComStar for SLDF-era designs. The underground market can only do so much; even by 3058 the vast majority of the Ghost Regiments are still languishing at Priority F. Only a few- the veteran First, Third, and Sixth, recieve good treatment, and that's because Theodore (as Coordinator) has issued direct orders to the Bureau of Administration not to mess with them.
I thinkTheodore was probably pushing things as far as possible to form the Regiments. The Ghosts would have been given clunky 'Mechs by their parent Yakuza outfits, and the DCMS would have handed over the crappiest units available to keep the good stuff for the DCMS. Their Tech corps would likewise have been abysmal.
For mine, I like "Ghost Regiments". As I said, I reckon that could well have been the name they were given by the DCMS. If they did have their own name, by 3058 it has been shelved in favour of "Ghost".
As for the District of Alshain Regulars, if you don't bring in the Clans, they'll stay in the same position they were in before. The DCMS used them like the District of Galedon Regulars- a mobile reserve to help protect the Deiron border, and stationing the lesser-skilled Regiments out in the Periphery to discourage Pirate activity.
IMO, without the arrival of the Clans, the LC/FS Civil War probably wouldn't have taken place. With Victor still at home, Katherine wouldn't have had the oppurtunity for her political monkeywrenching.
Since I'm a fan of power balance (and also since the DC would undoubtedly have been the next target of the FC's wrath), I'd reccommend assassinating Melissa Steiner-Davion early, say 3048 or so. Hanse then sends Victor over to keep things sane and stable; Katherine goes with him to keep him company, help out, or whatever other lame reasons she can come up with. Once there, she plays her little games, screwing up things for Victor.
Hanse recalls Victor, putting Katherine in charge. Katherine declares the FedCom over in about 3052; some units go rogue, but you don't see the same scale of warfare as the Civil War.
Comstar would probably end up the same way it is now; Anastasius was forced to act by Operation Scorpion, which Mindless Waterly would undoubtedly still have pursued, probably during the breakdown of the FedSuns.
The Inner Sphere returns to its 3040s state of cold war and boder clashes. Without the FedCom, there's no one power who can dominate the Sphere, but nobody is strong enough alone to make a major bid for power, either.
What happens next depends on what you want to see. ComStar started to hand out tech manuals and train the rest of the IS after the Focht Revision. This could still happen, but without the Clan War for impetus, the technical rennaisance would be much slower.
Alternatively, the Succession Wars continue unabated and by 3075 or so, everyone's living in caves.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/21/04 01:55 PM
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JStallion, either learn to create a defensible position and protect it with a coherent argument, or stop wasting our time with your trollish posts.
An idiotic children's show entitled "Casper: the FRIENDLY Ghost" does not provide a valid argument to defend your position. The fact that it was even called the FRIENDLY Ghost indicates they were doing so to run against the grain of tradition.
woah little lady, calm down. it was just a joke.
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trollish posts.
Have you ever met a troll that posts things on forums? no? then you shouldnt use one as an example because thats just silly.
About the DC/NC war, did you ever read "Path To Glory"? Obviously not because if so you would know the Nova Cat units had not been antagonizing the DC units at all. The way the war started was the Nova Cat units trying to stop one of the Ashlain units from leaving and attacking the Ghost Bears. There had been no antagonizing. If anything wouldn't it be more likely for combine troops to antagonize those they just had to defend their home planet from? instead of the invaders coming in, hoping to join them, then trying to find ways to fight them? no, because thats not how the clans work.
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Revenant
06/21/04 07:28 PM
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Theodore was busy reconstructing the Genyosha and Ryuken Regiments at the time, as well as negotiating with ComStar for SLDF-era designs. The underground market can only do so much; even by 3058 the vast majority of the Ghost Regiments are still languishing at Priority F. Only a few- the veteran First, Third, and Sixth, recieve good treatment, and that's because Theodore (as Coordinator) has issued direct orders to the Bureau of Administration not to mess with them.
I thinkTheodore was probably pushing things as far as possible to form the Regiments. The Ghosts would have been given clunky 'Mechs by their parent Yakuza outfits, and the DCMS would have handed over the crappiest units available to keep the good stuff for the DCMS. Their Tech corps would likewise have been abysmal.
For mine, I like "Ghost Regiments". As I said, I reckon that could well have been the name they were given by the DCMS. If they did have their own name, by 3058 it has been shelved in favour of "Ghost".
As for the District of Alshain Regulars, if you don't bring in the Clans, they'll stay in the same position they were in before. The DCMS used them like the District of Galedon Regulars- a mobile reserve to help protect the Deiron border, and stationing the lesser-skilled Regiments out in the Periphery to discourage Pirate activity.
IMO, without the arrival of the Clans, the LC/FS Civil War probably wouldn't have taken place. With Victor still at home, Katherine wouldn't have had the oppurtunity for her political monkeywrenching.
Since I'm a fan of power balance (and also since the DC would undoubtedly have been the next target of the FC's wrath), I'd reccommend assassinating Melissa Steiner-Davion early, say 3048 or so. Hanse then sends Victor over to keep things sane and stable; Katherine goes with him to keep him company, help out, or whatever other lame reasons she can come up with. Once there, she plays her little games, screwing up things for Victor.
Hanse recalls Victor, putting Katherine in charge. Katherine declares the FedCom over in about 3052; some units go rogue, but you don't see the same scale of warfare as the Civil War.
Comstar would probably end up the same way it is now; Anastasius was forced to act by Operation Scorpion, which Mindless Waterly would undoubtedly still have pursued, probably during the breakdown of the FedSuns.
The Inner Sphere returns to its 3040s state of cold war and boder clashes. Without the FedCom, there's no one power who can dominate the Sphere, but nobody is strong enough alone to make a major bid for power, either.
What happens next depends on what you want to see. ComStar started to hand out tech manuals and train the rest of the IS after the Focht Revision. This could still happen, but without the Clan War for impetus, the technical rennaisance would be much slower.
Alternatively, the Succession Wars continue unabated and by 3075 or so, everyone's living in caves.
Well, some of my ideas for the years '40 to '50 (and they're only ideas at present) are;
1) ComStar invent the OmniMechs and Elementals and begin equipping the CG with them slowly but steadily.
2) The ComGuards step up military operations against the Periphery raiders beginning around '42. Over the following years they start actually taking out and occupying first the pirate havens, then independent worlds and even actual states (such as the Marian Hegemony), using the excuse of bring peace and order to the 'barbaric Periphery'. The Successor States are wary of this move by ComStar and hate having ComStar bases outside their borders, but the Periphery pirates begin to fall and thus raiding is decreased. Various rumours about ComStar refounding the Star League from 'the outside inwards' trouble many in the IS.
3) The Fed Com must be a nightmare to hold on to and run. The Lyran and Davion governmental systems are not really that similar, Dav's is a Federal superstate, Steiner's a freer Commonwealth of nations. There must be three different governmental bodies at work on every little thing (the Fed Com, Lyran and Fed Suns), escpecially with the military and that can only create havoc. In real terms at the planetary level it must be chaos. Thus (tho the 20 year update glosses over probs, except the Skye and Sarna regions) I think that the Fed Com military must exist in a state of constant 'little wars' (like the British Empire did). Noone can conquer them, but plenty of neighbours and conquered subjects are ready to spit in the Fox's eye and the AFFC cant be everywhere at once, guerilla campaigns (especially on ex-Liao worlds) are ongoing and border raiding along the Kuritan border must be constant. Marik I think would be quiet, but perhaps the old Steiner nobility are spoiling to have their new allies take cracks at their old foes in the FWL and there are flare ups now and again.
3) I don't plan on any major changes from the 20 year update 'till at least '50 on leadership of the major states. However I do see Hanse as a much harder man than the pro-Davionista novels tend to portray him - this guy made a joke of starting a war that cost 100, 000, 000 lives; he is not a nice man. Sure Takashi Kurita and Romano are worse, morally speaking, but still it makes for a more interesting setting to play up Hanse's cold, ruthless side.
4) Hanse and ComStar's spies are locked in a cold war, the Fed Suns intel services are also engaged in the decades long 'Great Game' in the Hyades Rim and Outer Sphere, where Hanse seems to be searching for something (Wolf's Dragoon's homeworld possibly...) and is clashing with the freedom loving Periphery independents, House Kurita, the Taurians and now ComStar's militarily active ComGuards and elements of the AFFS are making probing strikes following the War of '39.
If I want to go 'BIG WAR' after '50 (which is a way off), I would have ComStar regroup the bulk of it's military on Terra (ostensibly having completed their ops in the Periphery), then without warning strike at the old Terran Heg planets around Sol occupied by the Fed Com, claiming Davion has attempted to assassinate the Primus or something. As ComStar inderdicts the Fed Com and is only striking at them, Kurita could launch a devastating attack on the Draconis March, Marik (under the ComStar adept Thomas) working in collusion with ComStar could drive into Steiner space and Liao would be free to strike at St Ives. The Fed Com might well then collapse like a house of cards, especially if the Primus made it known she'd cease actions against Lyran space if Ryan Steiner is put in charge and the Fed Com alliance disolved...a Lyran civil war might then ensue.
At the end of this war Dav would be in a bad way, Steiner would be divided, ComStar would rule 'the Second Hegemony' and perhaps would then move against the Kuritan held ex-Hegemony worlds.
The Fed Com is weaker than many think in the '40s...
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Nightward
06/22/04 04:03 AM
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Though not as trong as people think, the FedCom (if given time) would have been able to wipe the floor with its enmies. The Combine would have been next on the Hit List if the Clans hadn't arrived.
The FedCom didn't fall apart because Hanse ruled from the Federated Sons and Melissa ruled from the Lyran Commonwealth. Those two were the most charismatic and able of the House leaders at the time (the fake Thomas Marik notwithstanding). Once they were gone, however, things were pretty messed up. If Hanse and Melissa had more time to prepare their Realms for Victor taking power, and Victor hadn't been tied up with the Clans, the future would have been even brighter for the FedCom.
Something that is important to note is that if ComStar hadn't had the benefit of the Clan War and Anastasius' maneovering, Operation Scorpion would have united the Inner Sphere against the Star. In alternate history, Anastasius would have bumped off Mindless Waterly earlier, and/or prevented her from launching it at all.
Underneath the eadership of the Hammer, the CSGM were greatly improved, and less prone to making dumb-arse decisions.
Oddly, the Free Worlds League might well emerge as the new superpower without the Clan invasion. Assuming the clone Thomas makes the same moves in no-Clan history, creates the Knights of the Inner Sphere, and unites the FWL and the FWLM, things start looking real good for the Eagle. After all, it was Marik manufacturing power that let the IS catch up to the Clans, and the FWL was exporting a huge chunk of the new 'Mechs it was making. Turning that force towards re-equipping and revitalising the FWLM would make them a much more potent threat.
OTOH, however, Thomas Marik is still depending on SAFE...
And while it occurs: The ComGuard would be the only outfit who ould create OmniMechs. They had the original "Omni"- the Mercury. And SLDF manufacturing power.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Nightward
06/22/04 04:22 AM
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"woah little lady, calm down. it was just a joke."
And this is supposed to defuse my temper just how, exactly? If you want to joke, either indicate that you're doing so with j/k or sarcasm notes. Better yet, use smileys- you're not a newbie to the 'net or to this forum, and you shouldn't need to be taught good netiquette. Further, insulting me further whilst claiming you're not a troll (see below) is an easy way to hamstring yourself.
"Have you ever met a troll that posts things on forums? no? then you shouldnt use one as an example because thats just silly."
If you arrive on a forum, launch personal attacks against longstanding members of its community, and post baseless opinions which you claim to be correct, yes. I do consider it trollish.
And OF COURSE there are trolls that post things on forums. Things like I just described above. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TROLLS, NOT LURKERS.
"About the DC/NC war, did you ever read "Path To Glory"? Obviously not because if so you would know the Nova Cat units had not been antagonizing the DC units at all. The way the war started was the Nova Cat units trying to stop one of the Ashlain units from leaving and attacking the Ghost Bears. There had been no antagonizing. If anything wouldn't it be more likely for combine troops to antagonize those they just had to defend their home planet from? instead of the invaders coming in, hoping to join them, then trying to find ways to fight them? no, because thats not how the clans work. "
Path *OF* Glory was written from a pro-Nova Cat POV. Of course it did not reveal the full truth.
Same as I Am Jade Falcon does not show how Joanna's act in dishonourably killing a woman who had accepted her plea to end her life in honourable battle was actually a bad thing. It's called "Editorial Bias".
Go read Field Manual: ComStar. The Nova Cat section in general and Victor's letter at the start as well. It hints that reactionary Nova Cat elements are less than impressed with being a part of the DC, and were doing something about it.
As for the second part, the Nova Cats were ordered by the First Lord to stay put in the Irece Prefecture. The Nova Cats are an odd Clan in more the one way- and besides, the Clans DO NOT work well with each other. Witness the way the Falcons and Vipers "worked together" or the way the Bears/Sharks alliance went. Or how the Cats/Jaguars alliance went. Only a handful of Clans have alliances, and even then it's more of an "I won't attack you if you don't attack me" kind of thing- the Wolf/Coyote, Wolf/Horses, Wolf/Scorption, Adder/Cobra, and so on being my basis for this.
The Cats would not have attacked the Bears unless the Bears threatened the Star League, and/or they got a Vison telling them to do so. The Cats would not have aided the Avengers for any other reason, since it was not a strike sanctioned by the Star League.
You'll note that I specifically said that it took two to tango. The Draconis Combine units were acting unduly by antagonizing the Cats- who were ALSO acting unduly by responding in kind. Attacking the Alshain Avaengers to stop them from attacking the Ghost Bears is about as dumb an idea I've heard since Romano Liao stopped talking.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/22/04 03:24 PM
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If you want to joke, either indicate that you're doing so with j/k or sarcasm notes. Better yet, use smileys
so what do you call it when i put " just had to add that in " after i said the casper stuff? if youd so kindly scroll up you would notice i did some of the things you mentioned.
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launch personal attacks against longstanding members of its community
???? i didnt launch any personal attacks, i commented on the avengers and made a joke about casper. so unless youre really casper in disguise... (j/k              hopefully thats enough smiles)
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Path *OF* Glory
yeah i realized that after i said it...
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Path *OF* Glory was written from a pro-Nova Cat POV
I cant think of a book that focuses on a certain group that isnt from their POV.
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Go read Field Manual: ComStar. The Nova Cat section in general and Victor's letter at the start as well. It hints that reactionary Nova Cat elements are less than impressed with being a part of the DC, and were doing something about it.
so did path of glory, zane, zed or whatever the main character's name is talked about how he couldnt stand being with the dcms, but thats the way the khan wanted it and so he'd go by it.
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Clans DO NOT work well with each other
I dont see why youre arguing that, i never said they did. Although you could argue against that from the bear/raven standpoint or the blood spirit/fire mandrill one that used to exsist.....
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The Cats would not have attacked the Bears unless the Bears threatened the Star League,
i never said they would have.
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Attacking the Alshain Avaengers to stop them from attacking the Ghost Bears is about as dumb an idea I've heard since Romano Liao stopped talking.
in a universe all about war and fighting and killing, how would you have rather ended the book, which didnt have any BIG battles in it, instead of the two groups fighting? the NC didnt want the avengers attacking the GB. theyre not going to hold up a "STOP" sign in front of them, the avengers change their minds about retaking their home planet and turn around.
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Nightward
06/22/04 08:25 PM
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This: :P indicates you are poking your tongue out. This would have been far more appropriate.
As for the personal attacks, what do you call your verbal assualt on Cray, just for one example?
"in a universe all about war and fighting and killing, how would you have rather ended the book, which didnt have any BIG battles in it, instead of the two groups fighting? the NC didnt want the avengers attacking the GB. theyre not going to hold up a "STOP" sign in front of them, the avengers change their minds about retaking their home planet and turn around. "
Without that, there's no novel. I just think that the book was BS. Mind you, I think that about a lot of the recent BT fiction. Have a look at *Shudder* "Roar of Honour" to see dumb BT fiction at its highest (lowest?) point.
One Trinary of untested Ghost Bears take down the Blood Drinkers Cluster from Can Wolf. By fighting dishnourably, cheating, and lying. I never really worked that one out- the Wolves fought honourably (albeit at MUCH lower skill and tactical levels than an Elite, Trueborn Cluster with many Bloodnamed should fight) against the Bears. The Bears, meanwhile, had two Bloodnamed warriors and a bunch of reject warriros, and they were all Kai Allard/Aleksandr Kerensky hybrids with respects to fighting and tactical skill, which allowed them to "win". The mind boggles.
Depending on author bias, and "what the story demands", it's possible that if we saw the trend continue, the AFFS would have been reduced to hitting the invincible Mega-Mechs of the CapCon with pointy sticks whilst the chivalrous, honourable warriors of the Xin Sheng movement used the glorious, fair, and brave tactics of nuking their enemies from outer space.
Yes, I'm bitter. Almost everything published after the Twighlight of the Clans is BS. Archer's friggin' Avengers, my left foot...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/22/04 11:02 PM
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This: :P indicates you are poking your tongue out. This would have been far more appropriate.
regardless of you personal preference for smilies, you yourself said to put them when i already had.
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As for the personal attacks, what do you call your verbal assualt on Cray, just for one example?
i said at the time that i didnt mean any offense out of it and i made my point based off of what id asked him. he didnt take any offense and our arguement came to a quicker conclusion because of what i asked. He didnt take offense, i didnt mean offense, but youre the one bringing out an unintended side when you wrent even involved in it anyway.
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Without that, there's no novel.
exactly, which is why they do things that way. without war, killing etc. we'd have no battletech.
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One Trinary of untested Ghost Bears take down the Blood Drinkers Cluster from Can Wolf.
I completely agree but remember that they didnt face the whole cluster at a time, the wolf leader brought his remaining troops in after he saw possible defeat on the horizon.
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By fighting dishnourably, cheating, and lying.
dishonourably, yes. cheating, how so? lying, i'll give u misleading but how lying?
they fought dishonourably because they fought like the I.S. and made it last much longer which the bear force could easily adapt to while the wolves were caught offgaurd by that tactic (rightfully so since it was clan vs clan). I like the wolves more than i like the bears, but youve gotta root for the underdog. Plus in the book they stated how the wolf commander was a dishonourable kinda leader anyway, i forget what he previously did because i read the book so long ago but yeah; so i figure the wolves are better without him.
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Archer's friggin' Avengers, my left foot...
woah woah woah. whats wrong with his avengers? they gave you at least 2 novels about them and gave how they were formed and everything, steiners were already made out to be the bad guys so they have to be put as good, plus they killed his sister
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Nightward
06/23/04 08:33 PM
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Archer's Avengers were just another deus ex machina unit in the mold of the Somerset Strikers. Archer was a fair enough commander, but the way they completely PWNED!!!11oneone everything they fought and had access to such great technologies...urg.
is a smiley used to insult, not to make it clear you're joiking. Correct use of them is most important.
Star Colonel Dirk Radick was fine. All he did was refuse Freebirths entry to his Cluster, and refused to do battle with anyone not a Truebirth. He also fought without any mercy, refusing to grant anyone hegira, but that's not so unusual for an extreme Crusader warrior in any case. The Blood Drinkers should have annihilated the Bears, but Angela used fire, performed un-Clanlike acts of sabotage, lied about the disposition of their forces, and also broke the terms of the trial by promoting an isorla warrior to combat status. Had the Pouncing Bears faced the Wolves in Clan-standard combat and fought honourably, they'd have been demolished. But the book was written from a "Ghost Bears RULZ FOREVAR!!" standpoint, so it was A OK for them to break the Clan ROEs, but not for the Wolves. Go figure.
As a side note, all of the "MechWarrior" novels both sucked and blew at the same time.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/24/04 02:16 AM
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yeah the mechwarrior ones never really lived up to battletech.
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is a smiley used to insult, not to make it clear you're joiking. Correct use of them is most important.
you can interpert these smilies in so many ways.
for example, it says "crazy" by it. but to me i tihnk of a guy waitin in a long line needin to take a piss or something along those lines.
and reminds me of a guy i knew always makin this stupid face when he tried to hit on girls, but theyd never go for him.
this is more of a surprised face than a blushing for embaressment one
its a chucky doll comin to kill you, u can just picture the little yellow body to go with it, knife in hand and all.
unibrow, but i can see the mad face
anyway, there plenty of ways to interpert smilies.
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