Rex_Regis
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Could a New Alliance begin?
#88638 - 04/01/04 08:14 AM (204.187.76.3)
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Do you people think a new alliance could be formed and last for a while at least with all the major alliances going after them like we do independents?
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88643 - 04/01/04 08:45 AM (211.26.51.10)
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short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Probably not, unless they are politically savvy enough to ally with people without owing them, Lw experienced enough to fight off probes, and respectable enough that people don't want them wiped out.
I honestly beleive though, that a group of fourty close friends, that have a lot of time on their hands could own this game. Even starting from level one. Today.
tomorrow, they LW to level 2, then a few days, level 3. a week or two and someone starts a faction, everyone joins, before you know it, you've got a highly active, totally loyal facion of 40 memebrs who look out for each other, and no one wants to hit.
After that, it's plain sailing.
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davion76
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#88647 - 04/01/04 08:56 AM (138.163.0.42)
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One weakness would be that they are all from the same time zone (since you said tight friends). If they are reasonably spread out over the world, I'd have to agree with you.
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crazyguy832
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#88648 - 04/01/04 08:56 AM (142.161.231.224)
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If that happened, I'd SO want to be in it. 
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: davion76]
#88661 - 04/01/04 11:08 AM (204.187.76.3)
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I mostly agree. Save tight friends can be over the internet but has to be well chosen people atleast. I feel the cahnces are slim. I started the STA and it lasted 6 months independent and fought off all attackers till we decided to join Gen but much more then that would be impossible. The Kizo war forced everyone to choose sides. Big wars do that in neveron.
If any would be new alliance leaders would like ot tlak I would be glade to but will not give out alliances or anything from the FedCom. I can give pointers and maybe a defense contract or two for a small price. :P -Wesley{G}
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Fubar
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88706 - 04/01/04 11:19 PM (12.150.89.122)
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I think it would depend mainly on the person who founds it. If they were fairly well known and had good friends in most of the major established alliances they could make a go of it. They would also need to have firm control over the other people in the faction.
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Zartek
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Fubar]
#88715 - 04/02/04 06:00 AM (195.92.168.176)
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The only reason FedCom exists to this day, is because it is allied to Genyosha, it then adopted many of Gen's allies as its own without many of their knowledge, and since virtually everyone is allied to everyone these days amongst the large alliances, FedCom was spared being torn to pieces. Take the Gen alliance away, and it would not last 2 months.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Zartek]
#88726 - 04/02/04 07:36 AM (204.187.76.3)
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Zartek we are not a seperate allaince from Gen. We have held our own thus far. You just hate me :-) So I don't care what youror anyone negative says. We have done well and will continue to. If you have a problem with that you will have to give it up, were not going anywhere. -Wesley{G}
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88727 - 04/02/04 07:53 AM (204.187.76.3)
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thats not the point anyway the question is could there be a new alliance
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88729 - 04/02/04 08:48 AM (211.26.122.41)
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In competition with the big boys? No. They would die. Simple as that.
If, however, they managed to be respected by the big alliances, without owing them (or being considered an extension by them) then they would have a chance. They;d still be attacked though, so they'd have to be good LWers.
In short, it'd be a lot easier to be just another op for a major faction. Just another cog in the machine.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#88742 - 04/02/04 12:08 PM (204.187.76.3)
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true or be valuable to the larger gorups maybe mercenaries would work but then Cult has the monoply mostly and Ryuken has its own
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Zartek
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88743 - 04/02/04 12:17 PM (195.92.168.177)
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LOL, did i miss the bit where you removed FedCom from being a FULL member of Genyosha, to my mind this means you are Genyosha not a seperate alliance on you own. Nothing to be ashamed off mind you, many of the exiting alliances today existed as part of each other for a while.
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LiRa
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Zartek]
#88747 - 04/02/04 01:07 PM (65.92.120.7)
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The answer is no. (Merc excluded possibly)
The only way for a faction of any size to exist is to ally itself to one of the big alliances. Sure you can create one and ally it. But it will never be independant. The lw hungry empires that have been restricted by having no targets would have a feild day with an unallined faction.
I would like to see someone try though.
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: LiRa]
#88756 - 04/02/04 07:17 PM (211.26.126.88)
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Kuraku did it.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#88805 - 04/03/04 07:40 PM (24.146.1.128)
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Ya now there being smashed by LIFE it seems Sinsear
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Flameseeker
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88806 - 04/03/04 08:03 PM (66.82.9.30)
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Smashed?
That's an interesting word for it.
For the past few days a Kuraku member has been on the front page most of the time. Silver, Kuin, Ironholm, and the rest are all trading spots around.
Also, Life isn't the main aggressor. Kizo is, Life and Ryuken aren't hitting us as much as they are.
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88815 - 04/04/04 12:17 AM (211.26.126.57)
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I don't think smashing Kuraku is as easy as that.
Kuin and Silvertown have been on the front page as most BV killed and most kills for a couple of days now.
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Nimon
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Flameseeker]
#88823 - 04/04/04 08:06 AM (172.202.127.98)
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Kizo is the agressor? Please, for 1 Kizo is no more as it was an idea started by Kuin that was carried on by me and it failed. and 2 no Nev Com member is attacking Kzk.
get your facts straight FS.
Plus FS if we were at war with Kuin it would be a lot diffrent as I learned a fair amount from Kuin and how he fights.
Edited by Nimon (04/04/04 08:08 AM)
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Nimon]
#88826 - 04/04/04 10:09 AM (24.146.1.128)
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People, I just state what I heard from people I trust. For hwo the war LIFE vs. Kzk is going. LIFE is larger its just simply impossible for KzK to win unless LIFE wimps out. As for kizo taking part I don't care. This is way off topic. So I wonder if anyone out there has any ambition of there own who is not a alliance leader already. -Wesley{G}
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Flameseeker
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Nimon]
#88827 - 04/04/04 10:42 AM (66.82.9.24)
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Nimon, all I know is what I've been told. Some upper level Kizo empires have been hitting us, and I know that Planck was battleplaying.
I'm not a big expert on the Kizo attacks, because I've been busy fighting off Ryuken and Life. The big Kizos were involved, so I'm not messing with them.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Flameseeker]
#88893 - 04/05/04 10:21 AM (204.187.76.3)
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Lets look at this through the view we don't care whats ahppening to the little KzK, they stand alone then they die sadly. Now back to the topic. lol Who else thinsk all the allainces would smash a new one pretty quick?
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88937 - 04/05/04 05:25 PM (211.26.118.56)
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Quote:
Lets look at this through the view we don't care whats ahppening to the little KzK, they stand alone then they die sadly. Now back to the topic. lol Who else thinsk all the allainces would smash a new one pretty quick?
um Wesley, you are seeing the exact event of which you were wondering.
Kuraku is a new alliance compared to some others. It has one faction, is independant, but has many skilled players. They have survived this long despite everyone having a go at them at one stage or another.
So the answer is Yes, and new faction can survive, if they point out that it'll cost someone hitting them a lot more than they'll gain. If the attack is an infra grab, that will stop them.
However, if the attack is personal, then it's a whole different story. Personal attacks mean someone's out for blood regardless of what it costs them, and a small alliance can't destry a bigger one, it can only hope to damage them enough that they cannot wage war.
Besides, I would not go dancing on Kuraku's grave yet. I have not seen anyone from LIFe claiming victory, so obviously they are not underestimating them that badly.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#88939 - 04/05/04 06:04 PM (24.146.1.128)
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Sinsear no new alliance is gonna start like kizo or kzk which was kizo for a while. I have the faction info from that time saved. I think new alliances will be with small factions and members.
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Nimon
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#88975 - 04/06/04 07:30 AM (65.240.118.50)
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KzK was never part of kizo, True Kuin was the leader of Kizo for a while until I was asked to lead the faction. Then after a while Kuin went off on his own and a few people that were still loyal to him followed.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Nimon]
#88991 - 04/06/04 10:32 AM (204.187.76.3)
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kizokuin lol whatever you want to call it, it started the same orgnaization
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#89030 - 04/06/04 06:05 PM (211.26.126.53)
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No it didn't.
The KzK leader was originally part of Kizo (Hence the name) but left under less than amicable circumstances, and war broke out between portions of KzK and Kizo, though it seemed to be personal animosity more than factional the precipitated it.
KzK also recruited people from other alliances who were friends, a majoirty in fact, so it's not like they were an op of Kizo and just declared independance. Kuin (The leader of KzK) went out on his own and had friends join him from all over. They became completely independant, and many people tried to take them over, but so far no success.
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Flameseeker
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#89036 - 04/06/04 08:07 PM (66.82.9.32)
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Sinsear, your knowledge of Kuraku is very nice, but I don't think you're getting through.
Wesley is convinced that we're doomed, dying as I post this. And we're just some Kizo wannabes.
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Rex_Regis
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Flameseeker]
#89065 - 04/07/04 06:20 AM (24.146.1.128)
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not true flameseeker, just this has nothing to do with my question. Anyone who would be starting a real new alliance won't have anything bigger then a level 7 casue anything bigger cause attraction ot you and you become a major target forall those in need fo LW in the upper levels.
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sinsear
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: Rex_Regis]
#89090 - 04/07/04 01:59 PM (211.26.126.32)
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well what's a 'real' new alliance by your standards?
could a level 5 start a new faction, fill it with strangers and survive? Hell no.
I define a 'new' faction as a faction that forms without tying itself to any current faction politically, economically or militarily. Hence Kuraku qualifies.
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Red_Death
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Re: Could a New Alliance begin?
[Re: sinsear]
#89119 - 04/08/04 02:08 AM (217.137.173.19)
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I personally wouldn't count KzK as a New alliance, theres a difference.
KzK is a faction of LW lovers, we are anti-alliance as it would give us less targets and the only way we survive is through making a reputation. The amount of people we hit who say they cannot match us in someway shows we've already won as they are thinking negativly. This is a major advantage but KzK is not an alliance.
An Alliance is, to me, a group of factions that defend themselves and work together. I think a new alliance could survive without other ties. It just needs to communicate, get to know prominant figures in Nev without allying to them, just be friends. The hardest thing would be that they'd have to war. Make defence paramount but just defending creates a negative reputation. Attacking others and making a name for yourself is the only way to survive in Nev.
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