Clan Bidding suggestions

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KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 10:53 PM
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I'm planning on setting up a challenge scenario with my local BT group. What I have in mind is a city defense where I defend with a predetermined IS 3025 force and the others bid to see who gets to attack with Clan attackers.

1 mapboard city, plus a 1 mapboard approach

I'm thinking of defending with:
2 lances of UrbanMechs
1 lance of heavy tanks
1 lance of medium tanks
10 platoons of mixed Conventional Infantry
2 AC/10 Gun Emplacements

I'm thinking of opening the bidding at a Trinary of Daishis (which would stomp me flat without breaking a sweat) and seeing how far down it gets bid before they pick a winner.

Any thoughts on where the bidding ought to stop to make it an even force?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
Retry
03/02/14 10:59 PM
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It really depends on what your heavy and medium tanks are, along with your INF. If the Daishis only consists of Daishis, and you have multiple platoons of heavy laser infantry, they'll have a hell of a fight. This is the turf of the infantry.
ghostrider
03/02/14 11:02 PM
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I would think a star of heavy/mediums should take care of this defense. Though that would depend on how you run sensors and detection. It would be a tough fight..
KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 11:06 PM
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It really depends on what your heavy and medium tanks are, along with your INF. If the Daishis only consists of Daishis, and you have multiple platoons of heavy laser infantry, they'll have a hell of a fight. This is the turf of the infantry.



Thinking of going primarily with LRM tanks, and doing a lot of indirect LRM fire. Probably go easy on them with mostly Rifle Infantry, a few SRM, maybe a few with Anti-'Mech training.

I'm expecting my opponents to badly underestimate both my Infantry and effectiveness of UrbanMechs in their natural habitat. For a long-established group, most of the members seem to have remarkably little familiarity with the finer points of strategy.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
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Retry
03/02/14 11:17 PM
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Let's see, 8 urbies, 4 heavies, 4 mediums, 2 turrets, 10 conv platoons.

Will the clans be using just first-liners or will second-liners and solahma forces be considered as well?
KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 11:22 PM
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Let's see, 8 urbies, 4 heavies, 4 mediums, 2 turrets, 10 conv platoons.

Will the clans be using just first-liners or will second-liners and solahma forces be considered as well?



For simplicity, I'd restrict it to anything from TRO:3050. For bidding purposes 'Mechs are ranked by tonnage, with the lowest being a point of BA.
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Retry
03/02/14 11:25 PM
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Perhaps a squad of IIC lights and mediums, plus 2 or 3 lances of light or medium clan tanks.

Don't have TRO:3050, sorry.
ghostrider
03/02/14 11:26 PM
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its the book that has the primary omni mechs the clans invaded with. Including stats on elemental armor.
Karagin
03/02/14 11:39 PM
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It is a very good TRO to get, the original of is even better.

I say stop it the bidding if they fall below 1 star of mechs and 3 of elements.
Karagin

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ghostrider
03/02/14 11:40 PM
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I didn't even think of using a nova. I was thinking just mechs..
ghostrider
03/02/14 11:45 PM
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They didn't list any tanks for clans in that tro.
They also don't list any second line mechs the clans use.

I don't think retry would like it. EVERY omni mech in it uses xl engines.
Retry
03/02/14 11:49 PM
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I have no problem using XL engines. I just don't like them on my Zombies.
ghostrider
03/02/14 11:58 PM
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I bid:
Hellbringer prime
Warhawk c
Timberwolf d
Nova prime
Maddog a
the star of elementals might be an option. I would need to know if you are using one point of damage to infantry from non pulse energy weapons..
KamikazeJohnson
03/03/14 10:40 AM
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I bid:
Hellbringer prime
Warhawk c
Timberwolf d
Nova prime
Maddog a
the star of elementals might be an option. I would need to know if you are using one point of damage to infantry from non pulse energy weapons..



Hmmm...I'll have to look those up...my TRO:3050 lists them by their IS names.

Let's see,
Nova = Puma
Timber Wolf = Mad Cat
Don't know the rest lol.

I'll be using the up-to-date rules from TW, so yeah, lasers suck vs Infantry, Pulse Lasers and LB-Xs do better, MGs, Flamers, and SPLs are the way to go.

I wouldn't recommend going in there without at least a few points of MG Elementals.
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ghostrider
03/03/14 03:13 PM
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Nova should be the 50 ton black hawk
warhawk is the masakari
Hellbringer is the loki
maddog is the vulture.
and as you know the timberwolf is the madcat.
anyone that thinks the clans are so honorable and don't use ecms, well the primary loki/hellbringer has both a probe and ecm in it.
ghostrider
03/03/14 03:28 PM
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wolfclan sourcebook page 23 has the omni names

The adder is the clan name for the puma.
The nova is the black hawk.
KamikazeJohnson
03/03/14 03:49 PM
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Nova should be the 50 ton black hawk
warhawk is the masakari
Hellbringer is the loki
maddog is the vulture.
and as you know the timberwolf is the madcat.
anyone that thinks the clans are so honorable and don't use ecms, well the primary loki/hellbringer has both a probe and ecm in it.



That Loki also has a-pods, doesn't it?
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ghostrider
03/03/14 03:51 PM
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yep
ain't that nice as well.
KamikazeJohnson
03/03/14 04:57 PM
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yep
ain't that nice as well.



Generally inferior to MGs or SPLs, but they certainly discourage Anti-Mech platoons from entering the hex.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
Retry
03/03/14 06:52 PM
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I think the fact that you have to make a stupidly hard roll just to swarm even an unarmed super slow truck in the best of circumstances have, at least for me, discouraged me using the so-called anti-mech platoons at all.
TigerShark
03/03/14 07:06 PM
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Nova should be the 50 ton black hawk
warhawk is the masakari
Hellbringer is the loki
maddog is the vulture.
and as you know the timberwolf is the madcat.
anyone that thinks the clans are so honorable and don't use ecms, well the primary loki/hellbringer has both a probe and ecm in it.



They don't use ECMs in duels to prevent LOS*, but they do use them in combat. Not all Clan combat is under zellbrigen.

* Even this varies from Clan-to-Clan.


Edited by TigerShark (03/03/14 07:11 PM)
ghostrider
03/04/14 12:47 AM
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technically ecm isn't to prevent los. It is to make sure the high tech stuff like artemis and streaks don't work.

I wonder if it would mess with a targetting computers solution.
Retry
03/04/14 12:49 AM
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ECM messes with sensors I believe.
TigerShark
03/04/14 02:24 AM
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Its primary function is to conceal a precise signature. It's designed to mask the location of itself and all friendly units. So in a roundabout way it was intended to hide a unit from direct LOS, potentially for an ambush, escape, concealed approach, etc.
KamikazeJohnson
03/08/14 03:23 PM
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So general consesus is that a Star or Medium/Heavy plus some Elementals should provide a fairly even fight? I would of course have terrain, tactical experience, and the likelihood of being massively underestimated in my favour.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
Retry
03/08/14 03:45 PM
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Well, the elementals will obliterate all your infantry platoons if they have the right equipment.
KamikazeJohnson
03/08/14 04:10 PM
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Retry writes:

Well, the elementals will obliterate all your infantry platoons if they have the right equipment.



In theory. My infantry can still overwhelm them if the odds are right. Will all come down to tactical manoevers.

Without the elementals, my infantry turn the city into a death trap for those 'Mechs.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
ghostrider
03/08/14 11:30 PM
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I would think a great battle would have little to no elemental support. That would force the mechs to hit and run, or destroy buildings. Maybe force them to reneg on the bid. Would shame them for doing so.

This depends on what they bring with them.
ATN082268
03/11/14 01:57 AM
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KamikazeJohnson writes:

I'm planning on setting up a challenge scenario with my local BT group. What I have in mind is a city defense where I defend with a predetermined IS 3025 force and the others bid to see who gets to attack with Clan attackers.

1 mapboard city, plus a 1 mapboard approach

I'm thinking of defending with:
2 lances of UrbanMechs
1 lance of heavy tanks
1 lance of medium tanks
10 platoons of mixed Conventional Infantry
2 AC/10 Gun Emplacements

I'm thinking of opening the bidding at a Trinary of Daishis (which would stomp me flat without breaking a sweat) and seeing how far down it gets bid before they pick a winner.

Any thoughts on where the bidding ought to stop to make it an even force?



Although it depends a little on the vehicles and the Daishi configurations chosen, I think a Clan Commander would be executed for an opening bid in excess of 10 Daishis for this scenario. This assumes the Inner Sphere has skills of 4 for Gunnery and 5 for Piloting and the Clan has skills of 3 for Gunnery and 4 for Piloting. An interesting final bid against that Inner Sphere force would be 2 Daishi Prime, 2 Daishi A and 1 Daishi S.
KamikazeJohnson
03/11/14 02:21 AM
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ATN082268 writes:

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KamikazeJohnson writes:

I'm planning on setting up a challenge scenario with my local BT group. What I have in mind is a city defense where I defend with a predetermined IS 3025 force and the others bid to see who gets to attack with Clan attackers.

1 mapboard city, plus a 1 mapboard approach

I'm thinking of defending with:
2 lances of UrbanMechs
1 lance of heavy tanks
1 lance of medium tanks
10 platoons of mixed Conventional Infantry
2 AC/10 Gun Emplacements

I'm thinking of opening the bidding at a Trinary of Daishis (which would stomp me flat without breaking a sweat) and seeing how far down it gets bid before they pick a winner.

Any thoughts on where the bidding ought to stop to make it an even force?



Although it depends a little on the vehicles and the Daishi configurations chosen, I think a Clan Commander would be executed for an opening bid in excess of 10 Daishis for this scenario. This assumes the Inner Sphere has skills of 4 for Gunnery and 5 for Piloting and the Clan has skills of 3 for Gunnery and 4 for Piloting. An interesting final bid against that Inner Sphere force would be 2 Daishi Prime, 2 Daishi A and 1 Daishi S.



You also have the option of bidding down from a Daishi to a lighter 'Mech or even BattleArmor. No need to stick with just Daishis.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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