Bob_Richter
01/10/02 11:30 AM
4.35.174.250
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IT HAS NO ARMOR....either that or it can't run worth crap.
Let me demonstrate.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Untitled 'Mech
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 90 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 270 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
4 Gauss Rifles
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Untitled 'Mech
Mass: 90 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 138 pts Standard 0 9.00
Engine: 270 XL 12 7.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 56 pts Standard 0 3.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 29 7
Center Torso (Rear): 2
L/R Side Torso: 19 5/5
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 2/2
L/R Arm: 15 5/5
L/R Leg: 19 7/7
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Gauss Rifle RA 1 32 11 19.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 Gauss Rifle LA 1 7 15.00
1 Gauss Rifle RT 1 7 15.00
1 Gauss Rifle LT 1 7 15.00
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TOTALS: 4 69 90.00
Crits & Tons Left: 9 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 18,060,260 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,703
Cost per BV: 10,604.97
Weapon Value: 1,280 / 1,280 (Ratio = .75 / .75)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 44; MRDmg = 43; LRDmg = 28
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 1/3
Damage PB/M/L: 5/5/5, Overheat: 0
Class: MA; Point Value: 17
Normally, I would consider 3/5 movement MINIMUM, even for a max-weight assault 'Mech.
There's NO WAY you can fit four Gauss Rifles (Inner Sphere) on an effective Battlemech.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 11:33 AM
4.35.174.250
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Munchkinism is, in general, behaving like an immature n00b.
This can include
1) Whining
2) Designing 'Mechs based around the obvious strategies created by the imbalaces in FASA's creation and combat system and then talking like they're the greatest, most original concept ever.
3) Designing 'Mechs and playing battles with no concern for the general roleplaying elements of the game or the vast, deep Universe in which it is set.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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KamikazeJohnson
01/10/02 01:32 PM
209.202.47.12
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>>There's NO WAY you can fit four Gauss Rifles (Inner Sphere) on an effective Battlemech.<<
But since when do Munchkins design or pilot IS 'Mechs? Wouldn't they use Mixed Tech so they can have Clan LRMs with C3?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Nightmare
01/10/02 02:04 PM
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But of course you can fit some more Gauss rifles on a IS
mech chassis. I remember there was a really horrible Assault
Mech built by the Word of Bob, presented on RGM.
This was posted by someone calling himself Ives100 at
15/05/2001. Enjoy!
Just when you thought it was safe...
LCK-1-BOB Lucky Bob
Tonnage: 100
Tech Base: Level 3 Inner Sphere Custom
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 10.0
Engine: 100 compact 4.5
Walking MP: 1
Running MP: 2
Sprinting MP: 3
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 single 0.0
Gyro (compact): 1.5
Cockpit: 3.0
Armor Factor: 64 4.0
Internals Armor
Head 3 5
C. Torso 31 10
C. Torso(R) 5
L/R Torso 21 7
L/R Torso(R) 5
L/R Arms 17 5
L/R Legs 21 5
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
L.R. Targeting System H 0 0
Gauss Rifle CT 7 15
Gauss Rifle RT 7 15
Gauss Rifle LT 7
15
Gauss Rifle LA 7 15
Gauss Rifle RA 7 15
Ammo (Gauss) 8 LL 1 1
Ammo (Gauss) 8 RL 1 1
Notes:
After the renegade Word of Bob faction split off from the Word of Blake and
fled Terra, they found that they were short on Assault 'Mechs to serve as the
linchpins of their planetary invasions as they fought to capture worlds to use
as an industrial base. Word of Bob Precentor Marital Bob McBob decided that
what the Bob Militia needed was (sound familiar?) a 'Mech that could enagage an
entire company in seige operations. WoBob scientists studied the problem
thoroughly, finally settling on a design derived from a Technical Readout
obtained on Tukkayid. The readout provided specs for a Clan Doom Munchkin
prototype known as the Gausszilla. Working feverishly, Word of Bob was able to
rework the design using Inner Sphere technology and renamed it the Lucky Bob.
Capabilities:
The Lucky Bob is little more than a (barely) mobile seige machine. Its anemic
engine has to strain to push the 'Mech to 32 KPH, and its armor does little
more than keep out the wind and rain. In the words of Bob McBob, however, "Who
needs armor? This thing has FIVE GAUSS RIFLES!" The Lucky's Bob's ammo stores
are more than sufficent for thirty whole seconds of combat action, and a long
range targeting system prevents possibly catastrophic misses.
Deployment:
Two lances of Lucky Bobs were used in beseiging the city of New Podunk on the
planet Wayne's World in the Periphery. The Lucky Bobs, firing from
entrenchments, destroyed a number of pickup trucks and a single 3025 Spider.
One of the Lucky Bobs was lost when the Spider got off a weapons salvo before
it was destroyed, hitting the machine's arm and causing a catastrophic Gauss
Rifle explosion that destroyed the 'Mech.
Another Note: Thanks to whoever originally came up with the BattleTech Player
Type Quiz for giving me the idea for Word of Bob. Due credit is given.
Jeff Dougherty
Ad Astra pro Humanae Generis
Advice for Evil Overlords:
My legions of terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.
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Greyslayer
01/10/02 02:13 PM
137.172.211.9
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Ah you see you have limited understanding of the munch mentality.
Munch : My Inner Sphere mech defeated a couple of Clan scum in a single battle!
Real Answer: My Clan Modified Inner Sphere-based mech ambushed two lighter mechs than me and they were stock. Boy I was lucky as they didn't even have good variants! Not to mention my pilot was better than either of them and more skills than my character has years of life.
The truth though is the munch probably had a good time and had his/her ego well fed, but what of the opponent? I've seen many players pushed out of games due to the 'me me me' mentality of certain players. Gaming sessions are usually dominated by what they want to do, if that is the case then why not become a GM and do something productive ... but rarely can they manage that ... they are selfish not selfless. This is what characterises a munch for me. A game is for more than one to gain enjoyment from if one player sucks the enjoyment from the game what else is keeping the other players there?
Greyslayer
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:14 PM
4.35.174.250
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Um. You may have a point. The Clan Gauss is, however, one of the less effective weapons in their arsenal.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:16 PM
63.173.170.4
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Sounds like the Gausszilla thing Nystul came up with...and a friend of mine put four Clan Gauss rifles and a Large Pulse Laser on Clan tonner...needless to say it didn't take running a battle to figure out that was munchy.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:16 PM
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Why would anyone ever use Gauss OVER ER PPCs?
Gauss AND ER PPCs is just disgusting, but I can't ever see using just Gauss and calling it a Munch 'Mech.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:22 PM
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You have such LOW standards of munch. Gausszilla isn't munchy -- it's funny. That thing wouldn't last any significant amount of time in combat. This Lucky Bob thing wouldn't last even that long.
*FOUR* GRs and *ONE* LPL?
That's hardly munchy at all. Vaguely painful, but I've seen 'Mechs that could stomp it and not break a sweat.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Greyslayer
01/10/02 02:26 PM
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Under the old rules where it seems to suggest to Munchies that they can fire everything they have but gain no greater heat than 30 thus automatically shutting down but with say 30 heat sink be back on 0 heat the next round. A mech similar to the Gauzilla but made up of multiple ER PPCs could do far greater damage the problem being the unit would have to shut down for a round to do so ;). Personally though something similar to the Kodiac would be far nastier due to speed, armour and close-in firepower. Of course Fasa did finially clarify the heat rules .... eventually.
Greyslayer
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:26 PM
4.35.174.250
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You wouldn't know Munchy if it walked up and smacked you in the face. I've designed level one 'Mechs that could blast that thing to scrap, no questions asked.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:30 PM
63.173.170.4
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I am glad you have seen worse or better however you want to look at it...and I am sorry that the way I define munchkin and munchy is not up to your high standards.
Guess you will have to live with that or not, your choice as seeing how this thread is an opinion based one on what we EACH think munchkinism is.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:32 PM
63.173.170.4
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Once again you are trying to tell that I should be following your take on what munchy is...and that is NOT what this thread is about.
So can you please stop tell folks that we don't know what a munchkin, since you don't have the finial say on what is a munchkin.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:38 PM
4.35.174.250
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Actually, that's a Munchkin Favorite. Thanks for reminding me.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: One-Shot Wonder OSW-101
Tech: Clan / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: LooneyTech OSW Composite
Power Plant: 100 LooneyTech XXL Fusion
Walking Speed: 10.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 21.6 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: LooneyTech Laser Reflec.
Armament:
12 Clan Mk. XVII ER PPCs
Manufacturer: LooneyTech
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: LooneyComm
Targeting & Tracking System: LooneyBird
==Overview:==
Designed by LooneyTech Incorporated in 2655, the One-Shot Wonder was immediately rejected by the SLDF purchasing bureau.
This didn't stop LooneyTech from building over 70,000 of the poorly-designed monstrosities (and driving itself well beyond bankrupcy), however, or some wiseacre Clanner from refitting it with advanced Clan weaponry.
==Capabilities:==
The One-Shot Wonder was designed to deliver maximum firepower at maximum range. Once. It was hoped this devastating initial volley would cripple or kill an enemy 'Mech even as the OSW's own pilot ejected to escape the raging inferno his cockpit would become.
==Notable 'Mechs & MechWarriors:==
Looney VonStrange once piloted the One-Shot Wonder into battle. Remarkably, both he and his 'Mech came back. When asked wherein lay the secret of success, he beat our reporter soundly with a stout stick.
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Type/Model: One-Shot Wonder OSW-101
Mass: 100 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Composite 0 5.00
Engine: 100 XXL 14 1.00
Walking MP: 1
Running MP: 2
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 6 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT)
XL Gyro: 6 .50
Small Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 4 2.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 307 pts Laser Reflec. 5 19.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 46
Center Torso (Rear): 16
L/R Side Torso: 21 32/32
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 17 34/34
L/R Leg: 21 42/42
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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2 ER PPCs RA 30 4 12.00
3 ER PPCs LA 45 6 18.00
2 ER PPCs RT 30 4 12.00
2 ER PPCs LT 30 4 12.00
1 ER PPC HD 15 2 6.00
1 ER PPC LL 15 2 6.00
1 ER PPC RL 15 2 6.00
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TOTALS: 180 75 100.00
Crits & Tons Left: 3 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 37,588,666 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,609
Cost per BV: 23,361.51
Weapon Value: 666 / 666 (Ratio = .41 / .41)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 10; MRDmg = 7; LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2: MP: 1, Armor/Structure: 8/4
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 4
Class: MA; Point Value: 16
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:39 PM
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Similarly, you will just have to deal with me pointing out just how wrong you are every time you call some clearly non-munchy thing Munchkin.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:44 PM
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To you based on your opinion it may not be munchy, so what does that prove? That you want to argue over nothing...thank you for telling us that.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
01/10/02 02:49 PM
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No, Karagin.
I don't want to argue over nothing.
What I'd REALLY like is for you to stop calling everything under the sun that you don't like "munchy."
Words MEAN things, as my buddy Rodney is fond of pointing out.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/10/02 02:55 PM
63.173.170.4
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If you say so, I forgot your opinion is law....
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
01/11/02 01:24 PM
63.173.170.117
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you fit in all the same as well, since you think YOUR opinion is one we all should be following...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
01/11/02 01:26 PM
63.173.170.117
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You need to go and take an English course or something, if I have to explain that to you it is very sad to know you have no grasp on how words work...
Oh but I forgot your opinion is what I should be taking as fact and Bob's is the other end of the law..
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
01/16/02 08:00 PM
134.121.247.162
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Dead is dead. It doesn't matter why. And that thing is dead the second it runs out of its six rounds.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
01/30/02 04:16 AM
63.173.170.42
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One, who, on being told that this is a game about politics and intrigue in 17th century Italy, asks to play a ninja.
The above came from a friend of mine, he was telling us about this guy who did something very similar to the above comment in a D&D game. I think it fits.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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KamikazeJohnson
01/30/02 12:24 PM
209.202.47.12
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lol good one
I remember one from my HS days...a bunch of us were playing "Axis & Allies" (WWII strategy) and this one guy kept insisting that nearly every coastline has at least one major river, and these military superpowers have the machinery and manpower for portages, so yeah, sure his battleship actually can go overland if he really wants it too. He stalled the entire game until we let him do it, too. (his entire purpose in trying was to see if he could make us let him do it) The game ended not long after that...
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Hellbringer
02/09/02 04:12 PM
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A munchkin does not under stand that he/she can only do so many different things in a turn. They cannot punch one mech, kick another, turn half way around and fire all their weapons on yet another mech, then finally walk behind a boulder for cover.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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TRYCORP
02/20/02 06:09 PM
205.188.197.166
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What mental stability..
"Machine Guns! Thats a Summoner out there! Do you plan to punch little holes in it, and have it fall down from too much ventilation!?!"
TRYCORP
Clan Nova Cat
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novakitty
02/20/02 10:27 PM
24.240.246.16
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That alone is reason onough to use the 50 point heat scale where at 50 heat, the engine destabilizes and leaves a nice crater where the mech was standing.
meow
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