Karagin
04/14/07 01:31 PM
24.26.220.4
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BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Urbanmech UM-R90
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design
Mass: 30 tons
Chassis: Republic-R Standard
Power Plant: 60 Leenex Fusion
Walking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 2 Pitban 6000 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor Type: Durallex Medium Standard
Armament:
2 Di-Tron Armory PPCs
1 ChrisComp Small Laser
Manufacturer: Orguss Industries
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Dalban Interact
Targeting & Tracking System: Dalban Urban
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Type/Model: Urbanmech UM-R90
Mass: 30 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 51 pts Standard 0 3.00
Engine: 60 Fusion 6 1.50
Walking MP: 2
Running MP: 3
Jumping MP: 2
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 8 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 HD, 1 LT, 2 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Gyro: 4 1.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 96 pts Standard 0 6.00
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 10 11
Center Torso (Rear): 8
L/R Side Torso: 7 8/8
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 5 10/10
L/R Leg: 7 12/12
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 PPC RA 10 3 7.00
1 Small Laser LA 1 1 .50
1 PPC LT 10 3 7.00
2 Standard Jump Jets: 2 1.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 CT)
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TOTALS: 21 44 30.00
Crits & Tons Left: 34 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,721,525 C-Bills
Battle Value: 507
Cost per BV: 3,395.51
Weapon Value: 218 / 218 (Ratio = .43 / .43)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 6; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 2J, Armor/Structure: 2/3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1, Overheat: 1
Class: ML; Point Value: 5
Not sure if this would be a very worth while design change or not, and yes it would be a lot better with double heat sinks, so it has some hope...but the question is this would it be effective as the normal Ubrie?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Askhati
04/14/07 02:10 PM
196.208.94.65
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Hmm, think the dual PPCs will have some trouble with only ten single sinks to manage them. What about a LAC and some ammo instead of that second PPC?
Evolve or DIE!
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Tripod
06/08/08 12:04 PM
12.49.227.75
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mmm...how about 2 LG and some heat sinks?
TBA
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Dester
06/09/08 11:06 AM
216.57.96.1
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I think the PPC variant wouldn't be very good. The reason the original urbie has an AC-10 is for the heat/ no min, good damage ration of the weapon. Now normally im all for PPCs over AC-10s but The designer of the orginal Urbie chose well considering the mission of the urban mech. It has ok range so it can shoot down a street, yet no min range so it can get up close and personal or jump just behind someone. There are no heat conserns with an urbie using an AC-10 so it can blast away untill the ammo bin runs dry. The large laser version that someone suggested above would probably be more appropriate (and I hate IS large lasers).
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
06/18/08 12:17 PM
70.6.164.63
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Sorry, but the PPC Urbanmech will just shut down from over heating. It would be more of a target than the original Urbanmech is. Why change something that was a bad idea in the first place. Urban fighting is best for light tanks and PBIs. A mechs in cities are just targets. But if you really want a urban fighting mech say with med lasers. You don't need the range that long range weapons give you.
I would dump the small laser add .5 ton of armor. Change out the rest of the weapons for 7 med lasers and add 14 heat sinks. that will give you a hard hitting urban battlemech.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Karagin
10/24/08 02:50 PM
72.178.75.99
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The change was suppose to be step in the right direction to making it better.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Zandel_Corrin
11/05/08 06:16 PM
123.2.140.247
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Guys this is a Level 1 design.... no RAC or LG at that time....
Interesting idea.... don't see the point of 2 PPCs when can only fire 1 safely.... go for som short range weaps to fire into the PPCs min range instead and that should fix it....
Use energy as well and you could clain it's for extended city fighting where the 'old' design would run out of ammo.
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 07:40 PM
205.202.120.139
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Guys this is a Level 1 design.... no RAC or LG at that time....
He means Large Lasers, and there are those in level 1.
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Interesting idea.... don't see the point of 2 PPCs when can only fire 1 safely.... go for som short range weaps to fire into the PPCs min range instead and that should fix it....
Not really. It still overheats terribly, and with that level of damage a player would want to stay at that range.
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Use energy as well and you could clain it's for extended city fighting where the 'old' design would run out of ammo.
True. But I would thank that (like they said) an LL would be better than a PPC for it's lack of min. range.
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Lafeel
11/05/08 07:48 PM
157.157.106.160
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Not to mention the fact you'd gain four tons (usefull for extra heat sinks), and lose four points of heat.
Still usefull, if only for the whiskey tango foxtrot factor.
Edited by Lafeel (11/05/08 07:49 PM)
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 07:52 PM
205.202.120.139
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What is a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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Lafeel
11/05/08 07:54 PM
157.157.106.160
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What is a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
"What the f**k?", just potting it more politely.
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 07:58 PM
205.202.120.139
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Like FUBaR?
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Lafeel
11/05/08 08:00 PM
157.157.106.160
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Like FUBaR?
No, I'd reserve that to some of the frankenmech's I've seen in the novels..Like this one Warhammer that had the bottom of a Rifleman.
Or was that the other way around.. 
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 08:01 PM
205.202.120.139
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Well, in the old images/minis, that would go together too badly...
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Lafeel
11/05/08 08:12 PM
157.157.106.160
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Well, in the old images/minis, that would go together too badly...
The ten ton difference between the mech's would make for some interesting times for the pilot and gyro though.
And that one was not helped by the fact that the guy that offered to help him keep it going actually sabotaged it (last seen in the novel torso twisting through 360°, reapeatedly)
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 08:14 PM
205.202.120.139
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360 repeatedly?!
What IS this book?
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Lafeel
11/05/08 08:20 PM
157.157.106.160
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360 repeatedly?!
What IS this book?
Star Lord. Highly reccomend it.
edit: and trust me, that was not a good thing, I'm fairly sure the pilot got woozy after a while, seeing as no one was shooting at him at the time. 
Edited by Lafeel (11/05/08 08:21 PM)
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 08:23 PM
205.202.120.139
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I'm readin' Far country right now.
It's so bad it's good 
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Lafeel
11/05/08 08:27 PM
157.157.106.160
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I'm readin' Far country right now.
It's so bad it's good
Read it, meh, I've read worse..Some of Gressham's work is *diplomatic* uneven..Like when he forgot what class of warship the SLS (or CSV) Ranger was..(classified her once as a Congress, while she had been classified loads of times before as a Lola..)
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/05/08 08:30 PM
205.202.120.139
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Lolz.
Oh, before I forget...
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Zandel_Corrin
11/05/08 09:58 PM
123.2.140.247
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Ok so back on trak.... my idea was:
drop 1 PPC -7 tons
add 4 MLas +4 tons (12 heat)
add 3 extra HS
so PPC could fire even while you run (not very fast but still a run) or jump
and in close twice the damage (20 or 23 with SLas vs 10)
Done
Tho that defeats the original point of the Urbie (low cost city fighter..... PPC expensive last time i checked) but gives it a good shot at long range.....
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/06/08 12:16 AM
205.202.120.139
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That would be a good idea, actually, and an odd idea for a light 'mech- try not to move.
I wonder why I didn't think of that...
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Venom
11/19/08 07:03 PM
75.167.204.181
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PPCs were getting too hard to come by in 3025 to put one on an Urbie, much less two. Stick a couple of Large Lasers and heatsinks and you have an improvement over the origional, but an Urbie is still an Urbie.
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Zandel_Corrin
11/19/08 09:59 PM
123.2.140.247
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what makes you say PPCs are hard to come by? They're one of the most common weapons of the 3025 battlefield.
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
11/24/08 10:46 AM
24.6.54.109
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No one has said why you need a long range weapon for city fighting yet. I still say say with medium ranged weapons like the Medium laser or SRM and so on.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Prince_of_Darkness
11/24/08 12:32 PM
205.202.120.139
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No one has said why you need a long range weapon for city fighting yet. I still say say with medium ranged weapons like the Medium laser or SRM and so on.
Well, I think it is because many cities are based like checkerboards- i. e. while there are a lot of corners, there are also long roads between buildings. However, because they can be fired without LOS and *technically* can rise above them, I would go with missiles, like LRM's.
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Lafeel
11/24/08 01:20 PM
85.220.115.86
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Plus, there are times you might be forced to fight outside of a city, and you are kind of screwed if all you have is short ranged stuff. (and a Urbie's speed)
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Zandel_Corrin
11/24/08 06:57 PM
123.2.140.247
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Too true.... longer range is not a bad thing.... sure MLas is beast 3025 weap Heat/Weight/Damage wise but if you get ranged by anything that can move faster then you (Read ANYTHING else) then your screwed.
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Lafeel
11/24/08 07:16 PM
85.220.115.86
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Not quite anything else, you can just about match the ground speed (and have better maneuverability than, due to the jump jets) of a Behemoth, and a Anhialator.
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Zandel_Corrin
11/26/08 08:21 AM
59.101.218.107
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Ok point taken.... they will still crush you tho.... especially if you have no long range punch.
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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