CYBRN4CR
05/12/12 05:35 PM
67.204.151.83
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Hey guys, long time no see! 
A lot has happened between my last post and now. I've been hanging around the CBT forums. I've had my hard drive wiped of all my previous designs. I've been playing with a new way to test designs, and I finally managed to play a few actual board games (first with someone else, and several by myself) with the new 25th anniversary edition board game set. Very enlightening. Really makes you consider mech weaknesses and strengths.
So with actual experience under my belt, and a better way to test designs, I would like to see what you guys think of my revisits of the Clan invasion Omnis. If any of them can be improved (variant or whole chassis) I humbly ask for input within the constraints below.
The first thing you might notice is that I finally got the hint with Clan ammo levels. They are now significantly reduced from my previous levels. I decided to normalize all missile ammo except ATMs to one per launcher or less. AC2/5s get one per weapon or less, and AC10/20s GRs and HAG20s get 2 per weapon - with LBXs getting equal cluster and slug ammo. HAG30s and 40s are the only weapons that have an allowance for more ammo (since they don't explode) with 3 tons for HAG30s and up to 5 for HAG40s.
The second thing I did was completely reorganize Clan weapon and equipment logistics. In the canon designs, there never was any real consensus between Narcs, Artemis, or neither. Well, taking a look at Clan philosophy and culture, Narcs would be considered dishonorable for obvious reasons. Even if they were used on a personal basis, they really would only be good with SRMs. So I reallocated them to the second-liners. As for Artemis, that fits in perfectly with Clan warfare, and for only one ton and one crit more, why would you even go without one? All LRM10s LRM15s and LRM20s were given to front-liners with Artemis attached. LRM5s are inefficient with Artemis, so they were given to the second-liners to answer their cries for LRMs. As for SRMs vs Streaks, Streaks always impressed Clan warriors with their ammo-saving ability, so this meant second-liners would get the more flexible, and Narc-capable, SRMs. I try to pretend One-Shots don't exist, and naturally second-liners get the even more dishonorable AIV and accompanying TAG.
This would be the missile scene until ATMs were developed. I tried to make the ATM variants be simple field exchanges for the new launchers in most variants, so that if warriors didn't like the new missiles, they could switch to the familiar LRM variants. Also, I decided that two ammo tons were enough for ATMs without asking for an ammo explosion. Front-liners would get ER and standard ammo, reflecting their need to reach out and touch enemy forces, and second-liners would get standard and HE ammo, giving them upgrade options for the SRMs.
Next in line are the ACs. While there is a lot of flexibility with LBXs, charictaristically I feel Clan warriors (especially Crusaders) would pick Ultra ACs for the extra damage in their trials, even with the 1/36 chance of jamming. So second-liners get the LBXs where they can apply their alternate uses to full effect. UAC2s are the only Ultras that might be among second-line forces for its low damage despite the range.
When HAGs enter the scene, they would replace most of the UAC10 variants and some of the UAC20 and Gauss rifle variants, allowing second-line forces to have variants with heavier UACs and spare gauss rifles for any explosions.
MGs are standard among front and second-liners. When the Smoke Jaguar MGs arrive, front-liners get the light MGs and second-liners get the heavy MGs. When the Arrays arrive, in typical Diamond Shark style, they become available to everyone and upgrade every variant with the appropriate MGs with Arrays.
All energy weapons are standard among front and second-liners except Heavy Lasers which don't become available to second-liners until Plasma Cannons hit the scene.
All remaining equipment is standard among front and second-liners.
The next thing I did with the Omnis was make arms and legs interchangeable to a degree, so that you can simply swap them between mechs that can mount them. An example of this is, say you have the hip and legs from a Mad Dog, a functional Timber Wolf torso and two Hellbringer arms from salvage. With this concept you can merge all three seamlessly to create a working Timber Wolf variant, provided you have the additional weapons to go inside the torso.
This concept is a bit like treating Omnis like frankenmechs, except most of the nuances of frankenmech building are side-stepped for simplicity, and instead revolve around locked crits and armor on the base chassis to determine the ease of swapping limbs. Using the example above, you can swap arms between a Hellbringer and a Timber Wolf because they both are arms with the same level of locked FF and ES. You can do the same with the Mad Dog and Timber Wolf legs, but not the Hellbringer's legs, for the same reason. I also tried to represent this further by having the same armor levels for the legs between similar-looking Omnis if possible.
And finally, I gave naming conventions to all Omnis, with uninterrupted variants from A to H. I tried to give roles to the variants, like A for assault, B for ballistics, brawler, or bombardment, C for city, and D for defense - though this isn't a hard and fast rule, as some variants I simply made to house a new weapon combo that worked. E variants would have the next major upgrade - which typically involve ATMs. F variants involve Plasma Cannons, G variants HAGs, and H variants as you know have Heavy Lasers. For the mechs that have missiles, I generally have the variants that come after 3055 have ATMs by default to show the Clans pushing ATMs as the new standard. Heavy Lasers didn't have as much support in follow-up variants because they demand a lot of heatsink attention and targeting assistance.
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CYBRN4CR
05/12/12 06:14 PM
67.204.151.83
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Timber Wolf
The original Timber Wolf base chassis has a 5/8/0 movement profile, 12 tons of FF, ES, and 15 base DHSs, leaving 25.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign reduces the armor by .5 tons due to what I said about leftover tonnage, and removes the heatsinks from the base to reduce pressure to use them and increase the available tonnage. From there I put most of the ES/FF in the arms to free the side torsos for as much equipment as possible. This move would establish the default heavy mech arm class for quite some time. For the Prime variant, I downgraded the LRMs because I wanted to save the LRM20 variants for the Mad Dog, and I wanted to exchange the ERLLs for more threatening LPLs to allow the Timber Wolf to better compete with the Mad Dog. I also made the close range weapons symmetrical to give the design visual balance.
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Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) (Custom)
Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3069
Cost: 21,278,906 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,033
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 375 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
33.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 114 points 4.00
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 375 19.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 220 11.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 23 38
Center Torso (rear) 7
L/R Torso 16 24
L/R Torso (rear) 7
L/R Arm 12 24
L/R Leg 16 28
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 24,010,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,737
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 27
5 6 6 4 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA, IF 1
"This is HQ to any available units, we have mechs down at Nav Gamma. Bravo Cadet reports four ... on site. Bandits are hostile. I repeat, bandits are hostile." I just had to make this variant. I just had to, for the sake of MW2, and I think I did a pretty good job.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 24,485,781
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,936
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
2 Machine Guns RT 0 2 0.50
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
2 Machine Guns LT 0 2 0.50
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@MG (1/2) (100) RT - 1 0.50
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@MG (1/2) (100) LT - 1 0.50
Free Critical Slots: 1
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 29
5 6 5 4 0 3 1 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA, IF 1
The Brawler variant of the Timber Wolf. Not too much to say here, pretty standard.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 23,825,156
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,417
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 8
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 24
5 6 6 3 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA
This City variant of the Timber Wolf is a hybrid of the Prime and D variants. As I am writing this, I am wondering whether to exchange the SPL for an Active Probe due to it's utility in city environments.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 23,767,188
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,685
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
2 Streak SRM-6s RT 8 4 6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s LT 8 4 6.00
Small Pulse Laser CT 2 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 27
5 6 6 2 0 3 1 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA
I kept the D variant mostly the same as the original, save for making all the Streaks face forward.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 23,973,906
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,785
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s RT 8 4 6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s LT 8 4 6.00
Small Pulse Laser CT 2 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 28
5 6 6 3 0 3 1 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA
The switch from LRM15s with Artemis and ammo to ATM6s with ammo forces two of the ERSLs to become a third ERML in the CT.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 23,479,531
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,604
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
ER Small Laser RT 2 1 0.50
ATM-6 LT 4 3 3.50
ER Small Laser LT 2 1 0.50
ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (10) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 26
5 6 5 3 0 3 1 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA
Unofficially but aptly called the the "Plasma Cat" this variant is at home within a city or out in the open. It keeps the ATMs of the E variant and reworks the torso lasers to fit with the new arm scheme.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 24,064,688
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,595
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
ATM-6 LT 4 3 3.50
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (10) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 26
5 7 6 3 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, HT2, SRCH, ES, SOA
The G variant is interesting. At first I tried going the dual sandblasters route as an upgrade of the B variant, but somewhere down the road I thought of adding a holepuncher to make the sandblasting even more effective. I split the ATM6s into quad ATM3s to fill up crits.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 23,713,594
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,548
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
2 ATM-3s RT 4 4 3.00
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
2 ATM-3s LT 4 4 3.00
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (20) RT - 1 1.00
@HAG-20 (12) LT - 2 2.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (20) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 25
5 6 5 3 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA, FLK 1/1/1
The most heat heavy design so far, with some volly-firing ability. I've yet to make a more effective H variant.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 24,979,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,504
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Heavy Large Laser LA 18 3 4.00
ATM-12 RT 8 5 7.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
ATM-12 LT 8 5 7.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
ECM Suite CT 0 1 1.00
@ATM-12 (ER) (5) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-12 (5) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-12 (ER) (5) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-12 (5) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 25
5 5 4 1 0 3 2 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA
I made the Bounty Hunter's Timber Wolf like the Marauder he left behind - with a tri-gun layout. Coupled with the TC makes all guns dangerous.
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Loadout Name: (Bounty Hunter) Cost: 23,272,813
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 3,016
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 9.00
Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 3 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 4 4.00
ER PPC LT 15 2 6.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 30
5 5 5 4 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SOA
And finally Aidan's Timber Wolf sacrifices the torso lasers and two DHSs of the Prime variant in order to gain a decent jumping ability.
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Loadout Name: (Pryde) Cost: 24,410,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,803
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 4.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 5
BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 28
5/3j 5 5 4 0 3 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SOA, IF 1
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CYBRN4CR
05/14/12 07:43 AM
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I'd love to chat with you guys about the variants I have here before I continue posting the other 15 omnis. If any variants are outright crap, I want to know now so I can adjust them. Just remember, none of my redesigns are meant to replace the canon designs. What's canon is canon, this is merely my "what if" challenge to take what already exists and redesign them using the constraints above. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
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KitK
05/14/12 11:12 AM
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I like what you've done with the ATM ammo in that you have set it up for two types, not all three, so that you have to make a choice on which type to load. In my opinion, trying to use all three is a trap that the cannon and custom designs tend to fall into. You may want to think more about how the weapon will be deployed. Its a specialized weapon that needs a specialized role, or else LRMs are better damage producers. Don't over estimate the standard ammo's ability to do damage or the heavy ammo's apparent short range. (see my 2 cents in this thread)
Overall I though some of the ammo loads were a bit light, but that is the Clan way (short furious fights).
Since you're revising, if it were me, I'd use small pulse lasers over MGs for AI (twice the range and -2 to hit). You also might think about the Jade Falcon's AI Gauss rifle.
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CYBRN4CR
05/14/12 09:18 PM
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Thanks for posting your thoughts! I found your research into the ATM system quite informative.
My thinking for giving Omnis ER and Standard ammo was for three reasons. The first was Standard ammo has the same range bracket as Clan ERMLs and would enhance the threat at those ranges (despite the minimum range). Secondly the ER ammo would give Omnis an extreme range boost to hit targets (and since I play with extreme range rules that gives ER ammo a crazy 36 hex maximum range, albeit at a +6 mod). And finally most of the HE ammo would be shipped to the second-line forces that would normally deploy standard clan SRMs (with or without Artemis) as a useful upgrade option with standard ammo included just to give second-line forces a taste of the "flexibility" of system.
However, your words on the combined power of ATM ammo made me think about whether to include HE ammo along with the system for the vulnerable minimum ranges on later designs as Clan forces discover the need to do so. Since ER ammo is needed for 3/4 of the hexes, Standard 1/6 and HE 1/12 for a fully covered ATM system, would a good ammo loadout be 2 tons ER ammo 1 ton Standard and 1 ton HE if I keep the two tons per launcher theme?
Oh, and the only reason the Alpha variant has MGs and not SPLs is because in the opening video of MW2, Alpha Assault used MGs against the second JF Summoner (ERPPCs against the first and missile racks were still present on the chassis, hence my modifications). I do try to use SPLs most of the time and AP Gausses are currently present on designs that are too light to carry heavier ballistics or are on some JF designs (I'll double check to make sure before I post them).
Edited by CYBRN4CR (05/15/12 12:19 AM)
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KitK
05/15/12 11:36 AM
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would a good ammo loadout be 2 tons ER ammo 1 ton Standard and 1 ton HE if I keep the two tons per launcher theme?
Personally, no, I don't think so. Reason # uno is explosion. Most would consider that to be a lot of ammo exposure. Though on and ATM 12 it might be feasible since you only get 5 shots per ton. It would be a real liability with an ATM 3 or 6. My second reason is my displeasure with the standard ammo. So reason 2-A, a standard LRM kicks regular ATM ammo's butt. 2-B, there are no instances where regular ammo gives better to hit numbers than ER (if you only take the best odds) and only 3 instances where even odds give you more hitting power. So, if within your role play logistics you want the 2nd line troops to have the least useful ammo, I would ship them the regular ammo and send the ER and HE to the front line.
With ER, you'll rarely be out of range, though you'll rarely inflict huge damage. But its huge range brackets also mean it should give reliable and consistent damage. HE ammo in an ATM 12 should clear a 9 hex buffer the same way an AC20 does - max 36 damage in seven 5-point clusters and one 1-point cluster.
Now, while that's all analytical and good, there is still a very good cultural reason to send the HE to the 2nd line troops - solahma. HE ATMs are great for strikers and short range shock troops, which is exactly where your solahma will be deployed. Replace the uAC20s on a Hunchback IIC with HE ATM12 and sound the solahma charge.
KK
P.S. *KitK takes a moment or silence in memory of Alpha Assault.* He was a brave MechWarrior. If only he had another ton of MG ammo or an extra heatsink...or had just moved!
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CYBRN4CR
05/15/12 09:15 PM
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Okay! Thanks for the tips! I'll reduce the ammo for 3 and 6 launchers and change to ER/HE combos on all Omnis with ATMs. I might switch some missiles back to LRM/Artemis combos. While I'm making the changes, are there any variant specific issues other than what you already mentioned?
When I return, I'll post the modifications and the Mad Dog next.
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KitK
05/16/12 12:21 PM
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You don't have to take my ATM theories as authoritative, but I believe you'll get good results. ATMs were advertised as "flexible" but actually they are very specialized. So, they have to match the mech's role. General "upgrading" to ATMs is kind of a farce if one then tries to use them the same way as LRMs.
That's a lot of varients to compare + the originals to see what's changed. Below is a quick laundry list of comments, which may or may not be useful. I do think the pulse laser/LRM15 switches are pretty good moves.
KK
P - An interesting refinement of the original
A - I could have sworn it looked like Alpha Assault had 4 PPC
B – In spite of the explosion and jamming factors, it would be tempting to call for 1 more ton of ammo
C & D – not much difference
E – ATM upgrades discussed already
F – AI variation. This may be one of the more interesting ones. It would definitely not be my first choice for mech vs mech action, but it looks like it could handle all the other ground unit types fairly well.
G – If you switch this one to an ATM ER/HE combo you’re going to end up in a situation where after about 10-14 rounds you’ll have to close to short range or retreat. Maybe go 3ER 1HE. Or all ER and find a way to bump up the HAG ammo by a ton to extend the mech’s long-range role, since this one’s clearly not meant to get in a knife fight anyway.
H – I like the symmetry, but I’ve never been a fan of the redundant system mech.
Bounty – That oughta kill somthin’
Pryde – Same refinement as the P
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Cray
05/17/12 09:35 AM
147.160.136.10
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Quote:
You don't have to take my ATM theories as authoritative, but I believe you'll get good results. ATMs were advertised as "flexible" but actually they are very specialized.
Maybe not authoritative, but I agree with your theories.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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CYBRN4CR
05/17/12 03:26 PM
67.204.151.83
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Okay. Here are the modified Timber Wolf variants.
I tweaked the Alpha Assault variant a bit to have two more MGs and one less crit of 1/2 ton ammo to potentially explode, though it has no other place to go except the CT making it critical (but easier with burst fire mode) to use the ammo until it's gone. And yeah, in the movie there are four distinct PPC balls fired, but design-wise it is impractical to have quad PPCs twin LRM 15s and MGs on a 5/8 75t chassis. The heat from the PPCs alone would force a shutdown unless the engine was a 4/6. Only then can one be made with 18 heatsinks 6MGs with a full ton of ammo and one ton of standard ammo for each missile launcher, which would be more accurate to the movie.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 24,617,031
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,929
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: CT, LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
3 Machine Guns RT 0 3 0.75
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
3 Machine Guns LT 0 3 0.75
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@MG (1/2) (100) CT - 1 0.50
Free Critical Slots: 0
I decided to leave the B variant as is. 20 rounds per UAC10 may not be enough to last very long, but it's enough for trials, which for the Clans is already enough.
I rethought the C variant to have a barrage of smaller Streaks to increase the chance of missiles firing and have more shots against swarms of smaller targets. This allows more tonnage to be freed for two additional heat sinks, two additional SPLs and an Active Probe like I've been mulling over. These changes should make this variant scary in a city environment.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 23,404,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,511
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
Small Pulse Laser RT 2 1 1.00
4 Streak SRM-2s RT 8 4 4.00
Active Probe LT 0 1 1.00
Small Pulse Laser LT 2 1 1.00
4 Streak SRM-2s LT 8 4 4.00
Small Pulse Laser CT 2 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The same thinking for the city variant applies to the defense variant except for the quick arm and electronics changes. (This variant is open to change if desired).
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 23,610,781
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,752
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
4 Streak SRM-2s RT 8 4 4.00
Small Pulse Laser RT 2 1 1.00
4 Streak SRM-2s LT 8 4 4.00
Small Pulse Laser LT 2 1 1.00
ECM Suite LT 0 1 1.00
Small Pulse Laser CT 2 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The ammo changes for the E variant make the switch even less invasive, with only a single MPL needed to fill the leftover space in the CT.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 23,485,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,579
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
ATM-6 LT 4 3 3.50
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@ATM-6 (HE) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Since the JFs deploy Timber Wolfs every now and then, this variant returns the AP Gauss flavor of the original while keeping the Plasma focus. I also gave the ATMs HE ammo only to go along with the city focus as you will almost never have the LOS to use ER ammo in a city.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 24,563,438
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,529
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
2 AP Gauss Rifles RT 2 2 1.00
ATM-6 LT 4 3 3.50
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
2 AP Gauss Rifles LT 2 2 1.00
Active Probe LT 0 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (HE) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (HE) (10) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
Making the ammo changes to the G variant allowed for one more heatsink and an ECM to fit on the chassis.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 24,164,219
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,611
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
2 ATM-3s RT 4 4 3.00
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
2 ATM-3s LT 4 4 3.00
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
ECM Suite CT 0 1 1.00
@HAG-20 (6) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@HAG-20 (6) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
I decided to revamp the H variant's torso weapons to make them a bit more useful. This loadout allows for the pilot to fire both HLLs while walking and use the next turn to fire all the remaining weapons walking as well thanks to the addition of two additional heatsinks.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 24,414,688
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,333
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Heavy Large Laser LA 18 3 4.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers RT 8 2 4.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 8 2 4.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
And finally, while I liked the LPLs of my first submission, I decided to flip the ER/Pulse status of the lasers to give the mech some backup torso weapons in case the arms were shot off.
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Loadout Name: (Pryde) Cost: 24,563,438
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,843
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 4.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
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CYBRN4CR
05/17/12 03:37 PM
67.204.151.83
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And here is the Mad Dog. I know I posted a version before on this board with a 4/6 movement profile. This time, I kept the speed the same as the original and added ES while removing one heatsink from the base to max out the armor. This gives the Mad Dog maximum compatibility with the heavier Timber Wolf's limbs. Though actual Frankenmech rules would make exchanging limbs tricky, I tried to keep it simple by limiting exchangeability to placement of ES/FF in the limbs, how heavy and what weight class the limbs are, and how the limbs look as well. Despite these changes, I was able to keep the Prime variant virtually unchanged save for having Artemis for each launcher.
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Vulture (Mad Dog) (Custom)
Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2963
Cost: 13,232,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 919
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
30.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 99 points 3.00
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 300 9.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 11(22) 1.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 201 10.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 20 34
Center Torso (rear) 6
L/R Torso 14 22
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 10 20
L/R Leg 14 28
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 15,772,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,414
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 15
Since Lbxs and regular SRMs were given to the second liners, and I didn't want this variant to be similar to any Timber Wolf variants, I made this variant a simple exchange of arms of the prime variant - much like my redesigned C and D Timber Wolf variants.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 16,080,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,665
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 9
I moved the old C variant into the B variant and used the two extra tons to add ERMLs. I might reconsider revamping this variant further as it is still the weakest variant of the Mad Dog.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 14,952,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,311
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RT - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 15
Since my redesign can no longer carry HAG30s in the arms (and that variant sucked anyway due to pathetic ammo levels and no backup weapons) I decided to make the city variant of the Mad Dog have twin UAC20s and a MPL as a ton-for-ton switch from the B variant. Still, I might change it if a better city variant is available. (oh and FYI since all second liners are given LBXs and not allowed to have UACs heavier than UAC2s, guess what happens to the Hunchback IIC?  )
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 15,472,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,143
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/20 RT/RA 7 2/6 12.00
Ultra AC/20 LT/LA 7 2/6 12.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 12
The D variant is a simple switch from LRMs to Streaks. As I'm writing this, I wonder if it would be better to have a mass array of Streak 2s like I did for the Timber Wolf?
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 15,332,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,404
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
2 Streak SRM-6s RT 8 4 6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s LT 8 4 6.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 17
The E variant is a ton-for-ton, crit-for-crit, heat-for-heat switch from LRM20s with Artemis to ATM9s with two tons of ammo. Thanks to the ATM suggestions, I made them ER/HE combos.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 15,272,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,297
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 15
Following the same path as the Timber Wolf, the F variant has HE ammo for the ATMs and twin Plasma/MPL arms. However, some would remark this variant as looking quite weird with Timber Wolf Lower Arm Actuator arms.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 15,912,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,347
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 5
The G variant is exactly the same as the old F variant except with one more heatsink allowing for all weapons to be fired while running at only 4 overheat - giving this variant potential brawling ability.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 15,696,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,423
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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HAG-20 RA 4 6 10.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
@HAG-20 (12) RT - 2 2.00
@HAG-20 (12) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 9
And finally for the H variant, I followed a similar pattern as the Timber Wolf, but this time I kept the ATMs to change it up a little. Again it has Lower Arms like the Timber Wolf, making the switch look weird.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 15,536,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,163
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Heavy Large Laser LA 18 3 4.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
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KitK
05/18/12 10:31 AM
70.64.129.30
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Quote:
Maybe not authoritative, but I agree with your theories.
Thanks Cray.
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CYBRN4CR
05/18/12 07:59 PM
67.204.151.83
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If there are any issues with the Timber Wolf tweaks or Mad Dog variants, or if they are okay, let me know so I can move on to the Summoner.
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CYBRN4CR
05/19/12 05:37 AM
67.204.151.83
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If these mechs are too similarly themed, I made a set of heavy/medium-light arms that can be used interchangeably. You will see I have already used a few in the designs I posted so far. By offering these arm loadouts, I hope to make the Omnimech idea more interesting and sensible for the Clans (especially for salvage and repair). There are certainly more options that I have not made yet that could be good, and any input from your experiences/designs would be appreciated. 
2FF 2ES arm family (so far)
SH+UA
ERPPC 2DHS <famous on Hellbringer/Summoner>
LPL MPL <famous on Mad Dog>
UAC20 (2 crits in local torso) <famous on Summoner/Mad Dog?>
UAC10 2ammo <famous on Summoner/Timber Wolf/Hellbringer>
Gauss rifle <famous on old Mad Dog C variant>
HAG20 <not famous on any one mech but it tries to be present for every G variant>
2ERLLs 2DHSs <not used yet but might be an option>
SH+UA+LA
HLL 1DHS <famous on Timber Wolf>
LPL ERML 1DHS <famous on Timber Wolf>
Plasma Cannon 1ammo MPL 1DHS <famous on Timber Wolf>
ERLL 1DHS (might change to ERLL 2DHS no reason not to) <not famous yet but best fits Timber Wolf, Summoner or Hellbringer>
3MPLs 1DHS <not used on any heavy mechs yet but is used on lighter mechs>
SH+UA+LA+HA
blank <not popular on any mech but is present>
LRM15 w/Art 1ammo <popular on lighter mechs>
ATM6 w/HE ammo <popular on lighter mechs>
Plasma Cannon 1ammo 1DHS <only found on lighter mechs as the variant above is used on heavier mechs>
2HMLs <not used yet but is a potential option for lighter mech H variants>
Oh and I'm sorry if it seems like I'm throwing all this on you guys. It has been so long since I got to talk Battletech with anyone, I can't help but want to share all the ideas I have. I want to have a nice conversation with anyone who wants to participate, and maybe make some friends. But to do so, this can't all be about me and what I'm doing. So how about you guys? What's been on your Battletech minds lately?
Edited by CYBRN4CR (05/19/12 05:46 PM)
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scheinlen
05/20/12 12:33 AM
204.111.95.182
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How about a Mad dog with Jump Jets?
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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scheinlen
05/20/12 12:49 AM
204.111.95.182
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A Mad Cat or a Mad Dog or any other heavy Missile Boat type mech such as these two loose there "Punch" I think with out the missile racks. I believe a commander in the field would have too be in trouble to configure a Mad Dod into a Gause or HAG carring mech configuration. There are other mechs better suited for use as a "Sniper" then those I believe. I Run a Star cluster of clan mechs and would rather use a faster mech for such tactics. But each has there own preferences.
I would like to see someones Ideas on a "Newer" Sagittaire, that is one mech with out a IS or a Clan change...
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/20/12 08:00 AM
67.204.151.83
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Quote:
How about a Mad dog with Jump Jets?
That can be arranged. 
Quote:
A Mad Cat or a Mad Dog or any other heavy Missile Boat type mech such as these two loose there "Punch" I think with out the missile racks. I believe a commander in the field would have too be in trouble to configure a Mad Dod into a Gause or HAG carring mech configuration. There are other mechs better suited for use as a "Sniper" then those I believe. I Run a Star cluster of clan mechs and would rather use a faster mech for such tactics. But each has there own preferences.
I hear you and I agree for the gauss variant. It's quite lackluster compared to my new A variant which effectively replaces it. What if I go all out on missiles for that one - even in the arms? That would keep the odd nature of the variant and keep the missile theme of the mech. It wouldn't be good in any extended battle, but it would be great for trials. The HAG variant is actually okay as it still functions like a Mad Dog (long range damage in up to four five point clusters with backup laser weapons) save for having ballistic main weapons instead of missiles.
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I would like to see someones Ideas on a "Newer" Sagittaire, that is one mech with out a IS or a Clan change...
I took a peek at it and overall it's pretty hard to mess with for an IS city assault mech. Though my personal switch would be to rip out the IS LPLs and ram in Snubs. Leave everything else the same.
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scheinlen
05/20/12 11:16 AM
204.111.88.199
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I took a figure and cut off the Small laser, evening out the two shoulder wings. drop the rear laser and replaced the lasers with heavy lasers, a clan ER PPC, plus added clan a EW package. That is my "Clan" C version.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/21/12 01:17 PM
67.204.151.83
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That's cool. What made you want to make a "C" variant of the Sagittaire?
Anyway, here are the changes with the Mad Dog based off the discussion above. With any luck, I should be able to find a use for the newly created LRM rack arm.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 16,456,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,514
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-20 RA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RA - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LA - 1 1.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 5
The C variant is now based off the Prime, but has to downgrade the LRMs to accommodate the Jump Jets so it can perch itself somewhere nice in a city and fire away.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 15,688,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,529
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 16
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scheinlen
05/21/12 03:35 PM
204.111.98.84
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Now that jump Mad Dog is like the one I run with my 13th Wolf Guard Unit (Wolf In Exile) field 2 trinaries of mechs and a trinary of Elementals (in Assorted Battle armer) I am about 80% made up of jump jet designs. I still need to get a few more of the Star cluster set up with jump jets yet. Such as the Warhawk, Gargoyle, Hellbringers plus the Viper and Cougar. and the Ryoken II is the Tassa Kay design.
As for the Sagitaire, it is the XO's mech for my IS Battlion. (Unit is painted in Kell Hound colors)
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
05/21/12 06:33 PM
173.131.8.119
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I would drop two of the LRM-20s for LRM-15s and add more ammo.
I would bring the ammo up to a total of four tons of LRM-20 ammo and three tons of LRM-15 ammo.
That would give you 12 shots with all of the LRMs
Six shots is not enough to bring down another mech even from 4 LRM-20s.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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scheinlen
05/21/12 11:19 PM
204.111.98.225
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NO, but would be a !@#$ of a FASCOM or Fast scaterable mine layer mech...
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/22/12 01:59 AM
67.204.151.83
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Quote:
NO, but would be a !@#$ of a FASCOM or Fast scaterable mine layer mech...
True, but since the Prime through D variants of the 3050 Omnis focus primarily on Clan vs Clan warfare (trials objective raids etc...think MW2) mine-laying would be a rare and dishonorable job description for most Clan warriors.
That being said, I actually like Royal's thoughts on the variant. It would break the standard ammo rules I set for LRMs, but for a virtually all ammo mech intended for trials, it may be allowable if it means the difference between surviving and destruction. The best part about it is, I can use an arm that already exists on lighter mechs instead of having to create a whole new arm and have to find uses for it on mechs that come after it. Though it's kind of interesting to imagine a Mad Dog with hands. Makes it a little like the Archer but with reverse legs.
So here is the finalized B variant.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 16,207,200
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,449
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 1.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-15 RA 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RA - 1 1.00
LRM-15 LA 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LA - 1 1.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Small Pulse Laser CT 2 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RA - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12) LT - 2 2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 3
Thanks for responding guys! Keep it up, we have 14 more mechs to go! Summoner coming real soon. 
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CYBRN4CR
05/22/12 05:47 AM
67.204.151.83
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All right guys! Here is the Summoner!
The original Summoner base chassis has a 5/8/5 movement profile, 9.5 tons of FF, and 14 base DHSs, leaving 22.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign adds ES and removes the hardwired heatsinks to max out the armor and increase the available tonnage. I kept the Prime variant's original heat sinks the same, as well as the general weapon loadout with one ERSL filling in the leftover space. Let me know if a Flamer would be more the JF's style.
Code:
Thor (Summoner) (Custom)
Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2872
Cost: 19,291,458 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,030
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 350 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
28.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 107 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 350 15.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 5.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 217 11.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 22 38
Center Torso (rear) 6
L/R Torso 15 24
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 11 22
L/R Leg 15 30
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 21,480,740
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,655
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ER Small Laser RT 2 1 0.50
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 7
The Assault variant is a simple exchange of the arm and missile launcher of the Prime variant with an additional ERSL added.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 21,458,958
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,549
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
Based off the old A variant, the Ballistic variant keeps the theme but with a Timber Wolf LPL/ERML arm, and a Streak 6 launcher instead - giving two tons of ammo to the gauss rifle. Since this variant is heat neutral while running, the leftover two tons went to quad A-pods on the legs like the upcoming Hellbringer Prime.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 20,971,271
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,630
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 11(22) 1.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
2 A-Pods RL 0 2 1.00
2 A-Pods LL 0 2 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RT - 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 7
The City variant is virtually the same as the old C variant save for the ERLL and ERSL have been compressed into an ERPPC.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 21,361,208
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,623
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/20 LT/LA 7 2/6 12.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 5
This variant mirrors the Defense variant of the Timber Wolf with the mass Streak 2s for the Elemental or infantry raid, and dual LPL/ERML arms for reduced dependence on ammo. It may not have the SPLs or AP/ECM but it does have Jump Jets so watch out.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 20,795,958
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,704
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
7 Streak SRM-2s LT 14 7 7.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Enhanced variant replaces the LRM, ERSL, and one heatsink with an ATM9 with ER and HE ammo.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 21,337,833
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,602
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 8
Like all heavy mech Fire variants, this variant is no different with dual Plasma/MPL arms and an ATM with HE ammo. Out of necessity, the Falcons added the Active Probe.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 22,134,708
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,690
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The HAG/AP-Gauss variant of the Summoner is a simple switch of the UAC ERSL and two heatsinks from the Prime variant. Like the Timber Wolf, this variant keeps the old LRM rack.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 21,665,083
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,804
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 2.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
3 AP Gauss Rifles LT 3 3 1.50
@HAG-20 (12) RT - 2 2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
Expanding upon the Enhanced variant, the Heavy Laser variant switches the ERPPC and UAC arms for Gauss and HLL arms.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 21,196,521
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,549
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
And finally, since the old M variant was said to be Nikolai Malthus' personal variant, I decided to base the design off the 1st Somerset Striker's TV series interpretation. While there are some oddities (like firing three lasers and missiles out of the same ports in the legs) I gave his mech an all energy loadout similar in vein to the old D variant, complete with a targeting computer and quad SPLs in the legs. Ohhoho he would love it, and hate to have lost to Adam Steiner while on it.
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Loadout Name: (Malthus) Cost: 20,788,521
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,942
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 7.00
Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 2 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Targeting Computer RT - 4 4.00
2 Small Pulse Lasers RL 4 2 2.00
2 Small Pulse Lasers LL 4 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
I know I'm a few variants short (HH and Q) but with the major weapon categories taken care of in the Prime-H variants, I don't see too much loss in not including either. Wouldn't you all agree?
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scheinlen
05/22/12 10:07 PM
204.111.103.100
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OK, so it might be "dishonorable" but your "Newest" design would be nice loaded out with Swarms, but I'd reduce the LRM 20s down to 15s and atleast add a pair of SPLs for anti-infantry defence and run it like a catapult or longbow.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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scheinlen
05/22/12 10:35 PM
204.111.103.100
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Scenario
I run a Wolf-n- Exile unit. I have the unit made-up of jump mechs and have aquired a 55 ton Rabid Coyote. Unwanted because it is a Support mech, and need it to "Fit-in" to the unit.
What would be the Best design someone can make?
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/22/12 11:56 PM
67.204.151.83
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Don't get me wrong scheinlen. I do agree with using missile mechs as rapid mine layers or swarm/I-swarm mechs. Just remember, at the time of the Clan invasion those were generally regarded as barbarian tactics by the Clan majority except some warriors/officers in Clan Wolf. So the thinking is rather limited to direct LOS engagements. Since taking permanent residence in the IS, only WiE, the Nova Cats, Ghost Bears and maybe Hell's Horses (due to their natural combined arms strategy) are allowed to deploy IS tactics. Since you run a WiE unit, please, feel free to use any variants above and tweak the ammo to reflect your needs.
As for the Rabid Coyote, I might consider ripping out the ATM and ammo and putting in iJJs (since they are proudly made by the WiE) and putting in a ERPPC essentially making it a heavy Pack Hunter. I don't know how well it will work (since I won't have access to my design software until later), but that's all I can think of at the moment.
Hope that helps!
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scheinlen
05/23/12 12:04 AM
204.111.94.129
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Nice ideas, My WiE are painted in the 13th Wolf Guards (black with very little red edging) So I got a lot of Leway in tatcics, HAHAHA. I also run a Battalion of Kell Hounds.
The Heavy Pack Hunter idea is nice that will go go with the two Stalking spiders I use in my Head Hunter star.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/23/12 12:46 AM
67.204.151.83
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I bet I know which unit you'd pick in MW4:Mercs to play as...lol 
I'm happy for you and your unit. May all your battles be in your favor.
Before I move on to the Hellbringer, do you have any comments/issues about the Summoner variants other than it makes the mech and corresponding JFs harder to kill?
EDIT: Yes, I confirmed that it is possible. The armor/internals and even the quad MPLs can be left untouched but all extra heatsinks along with the ATM/ammo must be removed in order to give you an ERPPC and 8 improved JJs. You can change the lasers to ER versions if you want to give you 4 additional heatsinks - but it depends on what you want. Either way, it should be a relatively easy maintenance-level custom job.
Edited by CYBRN4CR (05/23/12 03:26 AM)
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scheinlen
05/23/12 05:06 PM
204.111.89.20
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For the Summoner, I like your Ideas...
As for the Rabid Coyote, it sounds sweet. As you put it.
4 ER medium lasers, and a ER PPC with a 80 meter jump. Slap in a Targeting computer for a better hit and run that with 2 pack Hunters and 2 Stalking Spider, head Hunters... In a Star.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/23/12 07:34 PM
67.204.151.83
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Okay, I'll post the Hellbringer as soon as I finish my comments on each variant.
Yeah the TC helps and you can still keep two extra heatsinks which should make it easy to hop around and fire all day. And more than 80 meters, 8 jumping gives you 240meters of distance.
BTW, how did your unit end up with said Rabid Coyote and Sagittaire?
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scheinlen
05/23/12 11:15 PM
204.111.89.20
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The Rabid Coyote was a trade, I put it in the WIE unit. I have to get the last trinary finished yet.
I have the Sagittaire in my assault company of my Kell Hound Battalion, BUT, I need to thin out 6 Assault Mechs that I have and replace them with heavys or medium mechs. then I will purchace the last 10 mechs with only lights and medium to have the full 40 mechs in a merc battalion.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/24/12 12:48 AM
67.204.151.83
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I assume you want that battalion to be 100% painted/kitbashed miniatures, am I right? If so, I'm impressed. I only have miniatures from the 25th box set and my Battletech time primarily consists of designing and testing mechs virtually, so anyone with an army of miniatures gets respect in my book.
Do you role-play when you trade/buy miniatures? For example, if your unit has the C-bills to buy a mech, do you then go out and buy the miniature? Or when you trade miniatures, do you try to come up with a legitimate reason why your unit would be trading with the other party? I can imagine that would make the process fun and engaging!
Oh, and here's the Hellbringer.
The original Hellbringer base chassis has a 5/8/0 movement profile, 8 tons of standard armor, and 13 base DHSs, leaving 28.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign adds FF, ES, and removes the heatsinks from the base to increase the available tonnage and max out the armor for maximum compatibility of limbs between it and the Summoner. A searchlight was permanently mounted for chassis accuracy without the need for quirks. I kept the ERPPCs, ERMLs, Streak6, AP, ECM, and A-Pods of the original Prime variant, but I removed the TC, MGs, and AMS to fill the rest of the space with heatsinks.
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Loki (Hellbringer) (Custom)
Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2926
Cost: 16,062,406 C-Bills
Battle Value: 969
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 325 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
31.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 104 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 325 12.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 211 11.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 21 36
Center Torso (rear) 6
L/R Torso 15 24
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 10 20
L/R Leg 15 30
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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
Free Critical Slots: 32
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 19,081,906
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,750
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
2 A-Pods RL 0 2 1.00
2 A-Pods LL 0 2 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Assault variant is a simple switch of arms like the mechs before. The A-pods are replaced with heatsinks in this one.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 18,897,312
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,638
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Mostly used in trials, the Ballistics/Bombardment variant of the Hellbringer goes all out with three primary ammo weapons at the expense of everything else.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 18,413,656
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,086
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
LRM-20 RT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 14
The City variant borrows arms from the Mad Dog and switches out the triad of ERMLs of the Assault variant for MPLs at the expense of heatsinks. Thankfully, all the weapons are still useful if used in two distinct firing groups.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 18,615,781
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,505
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 12 3 6.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 12
The Defense variant is a blend of the old A and B variants with the Gauss rifle and ERLL added to the Prime's ERMLs, Streak6, AP and ECM.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 18,923,609
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,578
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 RA
CASE Locations: RT, LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The Enhanced variant exchanges the Streak system of the Prime variant for an ATM system with ER ammo. The unpopular A-pods were easily replaced by heatsinks and the leftover .5t was filled by a utility Flamer.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 19,174,719
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,744
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 9.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Flamer RT 3 1 0.50
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Combining the old City variant with the Enhanced variant along with Plasma Cannon arms produces this Fire variant. Again, the ATM has HE ammo.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 19,357,250
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,527
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Flamer RT 3 1 0.50
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 12 3 6.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-6 (HE) (10) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 2
Taking the Ballistics/Bombardment variant to the next level, the UACs are replaced with HAG20s, but the LRM is replaced with an ATM6 with ER ammo and 3 AP Gausses sharing a ton of ammo.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 18,444,594
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,151
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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HAG-20 RA 4 6 10.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
ATM-6 RT 4 3 3.50
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 AP Gauss Rifles LT 3 3 1.50
@ATM-6 (ER) (10) RT - 1 1.00
@HAG-20 (24) LT - 4 4.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40) CT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 8
And finally this Heavy Laser variant also builds upon the old City variant, but is not intended for city fighting as the AP is swiched out for a fourth MPL due to the rest of the space being dedicated to heatsinks and a Targeting Computer.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 18,521,937
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,366
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Heavy Large Laser LA 18 3 4.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 4 4.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 Medium Pulse Lasers LT 12 3 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Well, that's it for the Heavy Omnis. What do you guys think so far? Does the idea of exchanging arms generally improve the Omnimech idea? And what class of mechs should I post next? Assaults? Mediums? Light mechs? You decide. 
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scheinlen
05/24/12 01:01 AM
204.111.95.226
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I like your "C" varient, but I am looking for a Customed Jump Version for my Listing.
Yes I have been gaming off and on for years.... I got 32 IS mechs and 28 Clan Mechs, a company of Vtols/ Helos but just a few hovercraft. 3 Stars of Clan battle armor including 10 protomechs and about a company of IS purifier BA (48)
been out of the gaming circle for a while just getting my "paper work back together. Presently in Va. but moving back to In. in June. Tryiing to get back incontact with the old gaming group there.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/24/12 03:43 AM
67.204.151.83
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I knew you were going to have a bit of an issue with the lack of a jump jet design.
I might design an official "J" variant for the Hellbringer. Give me a bit to get back to you on that.
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scheinlen
05/24/12 11:32 AM
204.111.95.226
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TY, setting in design mode...
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/24/12 04:39 PM
67.204.151.83
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Okay, scheinlen! Here is your requested jump Hellbringer. I had to base the variant off the Assault variant to keep at least the LPLs Streak6 and 5 ML theme. Though depending on what arms you have, you can switch them to my ERPPC variants. To make room for the jets, four heatsinks and the AP were removed. If you find you like the AP, you can switch it with the jet in the CT or the ECM, whichever you prefer.
Code:
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Loadout Name: J Cost: 19,105,625
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,906
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 5.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Searchlight LT 0 1 0.50
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
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scheinlen
05/24/12 04:51 PM
204.111.91.196
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This sounds good for the unit I am running... I hope you dont mind I'll be printing these off to rebuild the lost paper work for each mech in the units... then Ill just have to do the damage charts for gaming.
thanks
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/24/12 06:09 PM
67.204.151.83
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Feel free! I'm honored you see value in them! 
Quote:
I still need to get a few more of the Star cluster set up with jump jets yet. Such as the Warhawk, Gargoyle, plus the Viper and Cougar. and the Ryoken II is the Tassa Kay design.
Perhaps to save you some time I can do these mechs next with jump versions included.
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scheinlen
05/24/12 07:50 PM
204.111.97.236
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Cool, but I modified my Ryoken II to be like the Tassa Kay design...I had a hard time cutting the LRM rack back to just a 6 pack and used the laser pc and added the ER PPCs turned out cool I thank.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/26/12 06:12 AM
67.204.151.83
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Okay then I can skip that one as well. Since this is a 3050 Omnis thread, I will get to the Warhawk Gargoyle and Viper and then I might post the Cougar in a separate thread, but you'll be happy to know I intend to give the Cougar jump jets by default.
Anyway, here are the available arms that can be used interchangeably for the assault class of Omnimechs. Like before, there are certainly more options that I have not made yet that could be good, and any input from your experiences/designs would be appreciated.
1FF 1ES arm family (so far)
SH+UA
1LPL 4ERML 1DHS <intended for Dire Wolf>
Gauss rifle 2ammo <famous on Executioner>
2ERPPC 2DHS <famous on Warhawk>
ERPPC LPL 2DHS <famous on Warhawk>
ERPPC UAC5 1ammo DHS <used only on Warhawk so far>
ERPPC 2Plasma 2ammo DHS <used on Warhawk and Dire Wolf>
ERPPC 3DHS <used on Executioner, Gargoyle and Dire Wolf>
LRM20 w/Art 1ammo 1DHS <used on Executioner, Gargoyle and Dire Wolf>
UAC20 <used on all assaults>
HAG30 <used on Warhawk and Dire Wolf>
HAG20 2ammo <used on Gargoyle and Executioner>
2ERLL 3DHS <used on Warhawk and Dire Wolf>
2HLL 1DHS <used only on Dire Wolf so far>
SH+UA+LA
None yet
SH+UA+LA+HA <all these arms are intended for the Gargoyle and Executioner, but are available for the other assaults>
4MPL DHS
2LPL DHS
2ERLL
2Plasma 2@
2HLL
Warhawk coming soon!
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CYBRN4CR
05/27/12 05:39 AM
67.204.151.83
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Okay everyone, here's the Warhawk.
The original Warhawk base chassis has a 4/6/0 movement profile, 13.5 tons of FF, and 20 base DHSs, leaving 32.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign removes the heatsinks from the base and adds ES to increase the available tonnage and max out the armor. I made the Warhawk similar to the smaller Adder by locking an ERLL in the center torso right under the cockpit. I also spread the ES/FF evenly throughout the mech because there was no reason not to and it would allow the possibility of exchanging arms with the other assault mechs (though I made the Warhawk establish its own line of arms instead). For the Prime variant, I kept the glorious quad ERPPC and TC goodness the same and used the remaining tonnage and space to fill it with DHSs. For those that say the Warhawk loses effectiveness if it doesn't have the LRMs, I tested it and this version is at least as powerful as the original.
Code:
Masakari (Warhawk) (Custom)
Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E
Production Year: 2999
Cost: 23,742,823 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,388
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 ER Large Laser
39.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 130 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 340 13.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 263 14.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 27 46
Center Torso (rear) 8
L/R Torso 18 28
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 14 28
L/R Leg 18 36
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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 32
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 26,781,448
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 3,592
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 22(44) 9.00
Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER PPCs RA 30 4 12.00
2 ER PPCs LA 30 4 12.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Assault variant is a simple switch of two ERPPCs for LPLs. It's similar to the old C variant.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 26,203,323
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 3,180
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 22(44) 9.00
Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Ballistic variant switches out two ERPPCs and a few heatsinks for UAC5s with ammo in the arms. Not terribly popular.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 26,494,698
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,816
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/5 RA 1 3 7.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/5 LA 1 3 7.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Ultra AC/5 (20) RA - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/5 (20) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
The City variant changes one arm for a fully-reversible UAC20 arm while keeping the TC, making it dangerous to get close. To not be taken advantage of at range, this is paired with a dual ERLL arm along with the base ERLL, and a LRM20 rack adding long range bombardment support. Rounding out the variant is an AP, which even the Clans had to admit is necessary in a city.
Code:
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 27,336,448
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,734
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT, 3 RA
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Large Lasers RA 24 2 8.00
Ultra AC/20 LA 7 8 12.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
LRM-20 LT 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Defense variant may not have ERPPCs or LPLs, but it has five ERLLs to try and out-range incoming combatants. Should any get close, that's when they get a mech full of Streaks.
Code:
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 26,744,448
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,905
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 21(42) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 RT, 3 LA, 3 RA
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Large Lasers RA 24 2 8.00
2 ER Large Lasers LA 24 2 8.00
Targeting Computer RT - 4 4.00
3 Streak SRM-6s LT 12 6 9.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Streak SRM-6 (30) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Enhanced variant takes the City variant and simply switches the LRM20 for an ATM9 with HE ammo, making it even more dangerous to get close to it at the expense of range.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 27,047,385
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,719
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT, 3 RA
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Large Lasers RA 24 2 8.00
Ultra AC/20 LA 7 8 12.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Fire variant switches out two ERPPCs and four heatsinks for quad Plasma Cannons with ammo for each to last. What the variant sacrifices in damage, it gains a very good chance of shutting the opponent's mech down and a wide berth from infantry and light units as the Plasmas also gain the TC bonus.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 28,298,448
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 3,182
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
2 Plasma Cannons RA 14 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
2 Plasma Cannons LA 14 2 6.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
The HAG variant has twin HAG30 arms tied to the TC and a good helping of ammo for each along with the base ERLL. Filling in the last ton is an AP for finding hidden units at sensor range, making opponents have to pay attention to it before any other mechs.
Code:
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 26,887,823
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,931
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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HAG-30 RA 6 8 13.00
HAG-30 LA 6 8 13.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@HAG-30 (24) LT - 6 6.00
Free Critical Slots: 3
The Heavy Laser variant is different than most assault Heavy Laser variants in that the Heavy Lasers are HMLs and are mostly intended as backup weapons. I thought of this variant on the fly as the predecessor to the HAG variant, but I might tweak this one some more to try and squeeze more performance out of it.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 26,453,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,760
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
2 Heavy Medium Lasers LT 14 4 2.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
The Tara variant takes a different approach than the other variants as it adds two Dire Wolf arms to the mech and an additional LPL along with the base ERLL, making this variant the most heat intensive variant yet. Tara keeps the TC native to the mech and fills the last two tons and crits with electronics, making her mech hard to ignore on the battlefield.
Code:
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Loadout Name: (Tara) Cost: 27,570,010
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 3,263
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
4 ER Medium Lasers RA 20 4 4.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
4 ER Medium Lasers LA 20 4 4.00
Active Probe RT 0 1 1.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
Large Pulse Laser LT 10 2 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
And finally the Jump variant is based off the very successful Alpha variant, switching out four heatsinks for jets.
Code:
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Loadout Name: J Cost: 26,776,823
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 3,436
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 4.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
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scheinlen
05/27/12 01:39 PM
204.111.104.220
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For the War Hawk
How about if a person looks at the Figurine, it has to me the following weapons...
Strike 6- LT
LRM 5- LT
2 ER LL - RA
2 ER LL - LA
Jump Jets
Targeting Computer
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/27/12 11:46 PM
67.204.151.83
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Okay. I think I made a variant that will work for you.
I was able to use my 2ERLL 3DHS arms and add jump jets along with a LRM10 with swarm ammo and a Streak 6. The TC is only four tons/crits and overall the mech has 20 heatsinks, allowing you to fire three ERLLs and jump all day. You have the extra two in case you aren't afraid of overheating and cooling off. A flamer fills in the last bit of space for tactical retreats or infantry attacks. I named the variant SS after "scheinlen special" since it follows a slightly different LRM pattern. The record sheet should be attached.
I also tweaked the H variant a bit by exchanging one of the Gauss arms for a 2HLL/DHS arm. I added enough heatsinks to handle the twin HLLs, and filled the last bit of space with an ERPPC. Now the focus is more on range than on backup close range heavy lasers.
Code:
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 26,610,323
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 3,085
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 1 RT, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Heavy Large Lasers RA 36 6 8.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER PPC LT 15 2 6.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Coming up next is the Gargoyle.
Attachment (188 downloads)
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scheinlen
05/28/12 10:42 AM
204.111.93.186
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Thanks, The War Hawk "SS" fits my fighting style nicely... thanks again for the help. I like a mech with mostly energy weapons with few ammo needs... Having a energy heavy force to me gives a better field time and less dependent demand for resupply. My Clan WIE unit has Mainly that and LRMs.
The one thing I dislike on a mech is a MG and ammo, it is like running across a battle field carring a pocket full of detonaters praying that you dont trip or get hit in the pocket by even a rock! All of my mechs that have to have a MG and ammo are replaced with a Sm P Laser.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/29/12 05:10 AM
67.204.151.83
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I'm glad I could help!
And I agree with you about the MG ammo. It is more hazardous than other ammo because it hardly gets used under TW rules. However, if you use Tac Ops rapid-fire MG rules, this quickly becomes less of an issue as a single MG can use 3-18 shots in one turn dealing 1-6 damage and heat. This is hard to ignore as MGs can quickly become the highest and fastest damage dealing AI-type weapon against harder targets in the Clan inventory, despite SPLs having better ToHits and double the range. This makes the Alpha (Assault) variant of the Timber Wolf make a bit more sense as firing all the MGs in rapid-fire mode uses 18-108 shots in one turn. So at most six turns and at least one turn you have ammo exposure, which is much better and believable when compared to the video.
With this in mind, I allowed MGs to continue to be sent to the front-line forces, though not in large quantities as not many mechs have MG variants.
In other news, I'm thinking about returning the TAG laser to the front-lines. Why? Well, if any of you have ever played a video game with laser-sight enemies, you know how intimidating they are and how much aggro they pull with that damn laser of theirs, searching around for your head to pop. And IS forces aware of the power of the TAG laser and AIV combo, but unaware of what Clan forces have in store will act the same way. Though this seems like mostly a Wolf tactic, imagine how evil it would be on the Executioner? Forget Executioner, think Terminator.
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scheinlen
05/31/12 04:38 PM
204.111.92.177
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LOL, 60% of my mechs are missle heavy... A TAG laser whould just make them hit !@#$ harder.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
05/31/12 11:40 PM
67.204.151.83
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Yup. It's a pretty powerful, and expected technique. Be careful not to go too overboard with it, but if your unit can get away with it when it can, it can really make a difference.
Anyway, sorry this one took a while. I had some personal things come up.
The original Gargoyle base chassis has a 5/8/0 movement profile, 11 tons of FF, and 16 base DHSs, leaving 21.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign removes the heatsinks from the base and adds ES to increase the available tonnage and armor. I spread the ES/FF evenly throughout the mech because there was no reason not to, and so that it could mount dual Executioner arms (which most variants are). I was able to recreate Breetai's Gargoyle for the Prime variant so he gets credit for that one.
Code:
Man O' War (Gargoyle) (Custom)
Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2945
Cost: 24,330,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,120
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 400 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
30.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
Prime variant by Breetai
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 122 points 4.00
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 400 26.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 240 12.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 25 35
Center Torso (rear) 8
L/R Torso 17 26
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 13 26
L/R Leg 17 34
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 27,246,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,983
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 7
For the Assault variant, I took the old A variant and replaced both arms with dual LPL arms, courtesy of the Executioner. Now, even though it lost the headshot ability (gained by the Prime variant) and it still has the weakness of the entire loadout being in the arms, it can fill ranks well and is even more of a pain to encounter as it is easy to abuse.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 26,032,800
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,572
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers LA 20 4 12.00
Free Critical Slots: 9
For the Bombardment variant, I took the Prime variant and exchanged the ERPPC arms with LRM20 ones. The extra two tons went to heatsinks and one of the Streak ammo bins was replaced by an additional LRM20 bin.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 27,669,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,890
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-20 RA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RA - 1 1.00
LRM-20 LA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LA - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RT - 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 3
For the City variant, I took the old Mad Dog city variant idea and directly transplanted it on the Gargoyle. It fits the theme and damage of the old C variant, but with matching arms this time.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 26,850,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,344
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/20 RA 7 8 12.00
Ultra AC/20 LA 7 8 12.00
Medium Pulse Laser CT 4 1 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) RT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 12
For the Defense variant, the Gargoyle takes arms from the Executioner again, but this time tries to act like a lighter Warhawk with the 5ERLL theme. While I could forgo the fifth ERLL and put DHSs on the arms, I would have to make a similar arrangement on the Executioner to make it work, so this variant might change.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 26,797,800
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,819
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Large Lasers RA 24 2 8.00
2 ER Large Lasers LA 24 2 8.00
Targeting Computer RT - 4 4.00
ER Large Laser CT 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 8
The Gargoyle's Enhanced variant marks the first I've presented where it does more than simply exchange LRMs for ATMs. It keeps the ATM12 of the old variant, but backs it up with quad MPL arms from the Executioner instead of a Streak6, dual Micro lasers, and quad HMLs with a TC assist.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 26,424,300
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,693
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 5.00
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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4 Medium Pulse Lasers RA 16 4 8.00
4 Medium Pulse Lasers LA 16 4 8.00
ATM-12 RT 8 5 7.00
@ATM-12 (ER) (5) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-12 (HE) (5) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
The Fire variant is a simple switch of the quad MPL arms with dual Plasma arms with a ton of ammo each, again courtesy of the Executioner. The ATM again switches to HE ammo.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 28,224,300
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,600
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 5.00
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Plasma Cannons RA 14 2 6.00
2 Plasma Cannons LA 14 2 6.00
ATM-12 RT 8 5 7.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) LA - 2 2.00
@ATM-12 (HE) (10) RT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
For the HAG variant, I followed the same theme as the Mad Dog HAG variant but added four additional ERMLs to volley with.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 27,435,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,772
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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HAG-20 RA 4 6 10.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
3 ER Medium Lasers RT 15 3 3.00
3 ER Medium Lasers LT 15 3 3.00
@HAG-20 (12) RA - 2 2.00
@HAG-20 (12) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 11
For the Heavy Laser variant, I made it like a smaller Executioner, with a dual HLL arm and a Gauss rifle arm. The rest of the space is filled up with heatsinks.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 26,373,900
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,337
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 8.00
Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 4 RT
CASE Locations: LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Heavy Large Lasers RA 36 6 8.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
For Star Colonel Conal Ward's personal variant, I kept the dual ERPPCs of the old variant thanks to a Warhawk Prime arm, but instead of having twin Streak 6s, I made his mech's left arm be a Dire Wolf Prime arm. I was able to give his mech enough heatsinks to be able to fire either arm completely while moving, and most importantly, I was able to keep his preferred electronics, though I upgraded the Light TAG to an original TAG.
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Loadout Name: (Conal) Cost: 27,437,250
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,987
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER PPCs RA 30 4 12.00
4 ER Medium Lasers LA 20 4 4.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
ECM Suite RT 0 1 1.00
TAG RT 0 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 9
And finally, I made a jump variant of the Prime loadout, downgrading the Streak6s for Streak4s with one ton of ammo and exchanging one ERML for 4 jump jets. I don't know how possible it will be to represent this with your miniatures, scheinlen, but I hope you like it.
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Loadout Name: J Cost: 27,394,500
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,981
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 4.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
Streak SRM-4 RT 3 1 2.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
Streak SRM-4 LT 3 1 2.00
ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
@Streak SRM-4 (25) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 7
Edited by CYBRN4CR (06/01/12 01:48 AM)
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scheinlen
05/31/12 11:53 PM
204.111.93.151
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I love the J load out, it works for my unit,but I got a Question ...your Prime down grade both 6's to 4 s and lose some ERML s and add 4 JJs? Workable?
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
06/01/12 12:57 AM
67.204.151.83
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Yeah you can easily switch the Streak 2s and two ERMLs for Streak4s, keeping the one ton of ammo and the 5 jumping the same. If you want 4 Jumping, you can switch the CT jet for an ERML for a grand total of 3 ERMLs, 2 Streak4s with one shared ton of ammo, and 4 jets. But as for the Prime loadout, I probably will keep it the same.
I edited the J variant to reflect these changes. BTW, before I post the Viper, what exactly are you looking for, scheinlen? Because it already has jump jets. If you are willing to use my design thoughts, I'm planning some pretty radical changes with the Viper, but I do plan to keep its jump ability.
Edited by CYBRN4CR (06/01/12 01:52 AM)
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CYBRN4CR
06/01/12 04:31 AM
67.204.151.83
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And like I promised, here is the Viper.
The original Viper base chassis has an 8/12/8 movement profile, with 7 tons of FF, ES, and 10 base DHSs, leaving 8.5 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign keeps the armor the same, but downgrades the engine in order to reduce costs and have enough tonnage to mount arms shared between the Kit Fox and Nova. Some of the available tonnage went to a MASC to make up somewhat for the loss in speed and to give the mech characteristic bursts of speed. But the most significant change to the Viper's base chassis I made was to fill the side torsos with ES FF jump jets and DHSs (with the MASC in the CT) to reflect the fact that the Viper has legs for side torsos (because the arms are attached to the legs). Locking the components that way forces weapons and equipment to primarily be in the arms. The Nova and Jenner IIC also have this characteristic to them, and as a result, all these mechs cannot torso twist, but gain a distinct Low Profile bonus due to how low their torsos and heads are to the ground. The Viper is also the first to introduce very light arms for the medium class. With half of the Nova's MPLs (two more than the original Prime) and an Active Probe, the new Prime variant is now more of a pest than ever before.
Code:
Dragonfly (Viper) (Custom)
Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2940
Cost: 8,652,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 695
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 240 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h (129.6 km/h)
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
13.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 67 points 2.00
Internal Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 240 6.00
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9 (12)
Jumping MP: 6 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 3.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 11(22) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 134 7.00
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 8
Center Torso 12 20
Center Torso (rear) 4
L/R Torso 10 15
L/R Torso (rear) 4
L/R Arm 6 12
L/R Leg 10 20
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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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MASC CT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 21
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 9,741,200
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,229
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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4 Medium Pulse Lasers RA 16 4 8.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
Active Probe HD 0 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The Assault variant of the Viper follows a pattern similar to the old Prime variant of the Nova. Lots of ER lasers more than the heatsinks can handle - to the point of shutdown. Funny how it gains this trait from an old Nova arm complete with 6 ERMLs.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 10,150,700
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,631
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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6 ER Medium Lasers RA 30 6 6.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
ER Large Laser HD 12 1 4.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The Bombardment variant utilizes a shared LRM20/dual ERML arm as it's primary source of damage. This is mated with another two ERMLs and an Active Probe so no one can hide from its barrage.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 10,281,600
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,374
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-20 RA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RA - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
Active Probe HD 0 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The City variant of the Viper keeps the all important Active Probe, but it mounts unique arms that have yet to be used by any other mech. These arms make this variant a very flexible fighter against light and unarmored targets.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 9,765,700
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 1,926
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
2 Small Pulse Lasers RA 4 2 2.00
2 Flamers RA 6 2 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
2 Small Pulse Lasers LA 4 2 2.00
2 Flamers LA 6 2 1.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
Active Probe HD 0 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Defense variant uses a newly created triple Streak 6 arm (with two tons of ammo) to deal critical damage to anyone who gets close to its position. However, it lacks a long range weapon, so warriors must account for that.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 9,667,700
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,075
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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3 Streak SRM-6s RA 12 6 9.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (30) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 7
The Enhanced variant of the Viper follows the same pattern as all the other ATM switches, changing only the LRM unit for an ATM unit and ammo of equal critical space.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 10,062,850
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,209
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ATM-9 RA 6 4 5.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
Active Probe HD 0 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) RA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) RA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The Fire variant of the Viper uses a shared twin Plasma Cannon arm to chase down infantry and light vehicles, and worry mechs of equal or heavier tonnage with heat effects. It keeps the ERMLs and Active Probe of the Prime variant.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 10,441,200
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,087
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Plasma Cannons RA 14 2 6.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
Active Probe HD 0 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
The AP Gauss variant of the Viper has an arm unique to the Jade Falcon forces with 8 AP Gausses and two tons of ammo. Filling the tonnage on the other arm is an old Nova Prime arm, making this variant able to deal as much potential damage as the Assault variant above but with less heat.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 9,739,100
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,268
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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8 AP Gauss Rifles RA 8 8 4.00
6 ER Medium Lasers LA 30 6 6.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (80) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
And finally the Heavy Laser variant uses a shared twin HLL arm, keeping the twin ERMLs of the Prime. Instead of an Active Probe like the Prime, this variant sports an ECM suite instead.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 10,187,100
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,151
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 6 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Heavy Large Lasers RA 36 6 8.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
MASC CT - 2 2.00
ECM Suite HD 0 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 6
Well, what do you think scheinlen? Does this Viper seem like it will suit your needs?
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CYBRN4CR
06/03/12 04:05 PM
67.204.151.83
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Wow, uh, no one wants to comment on the Viper changes? Not even you scheinlen? I hope the changes I made to the base chassis weren't TOO radical?
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scheinlen
06/06/12 01:31 AM
204.111.93.109
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How about a 2x MPL RA, Streak 6 LA , ECM and a ER LL CT, plus JJs?
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
06/06/12 03:27 AM
67.204.151.83
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I suppose I can cook up another SS variant for you. Give me a day to cook one up.
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CYBRN4CR
06/06/12 05:34 PM
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Okay. Here it is. I had to shift the ERLL to the Streak arm because there was no space in the CT due to the MASC. However if you want the ERLL in the head instead of the ECM to reflect your model, you can always switch their positions on the record sheet.
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CYBRN4CR
06/17/12 07:47 AM
67.204.151.83
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I noticed I haven't posted here in a bit. Let me continue with the Nova.
The original Nova base chassis has a 5/8/5 movement profile, 10 tons of standard armor, and 14 base DHSs, leaving 16 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign gives the Nova much needed ES/FF to increase the available tons and to represent the fact that the Nova has legs for torsos, much like I did with the Viper or Jenner IIC. Like those mechs, the Nova also can't torso twist. However, it does have a very distinctive low profile, giving it an edge over most mechs in the medium category. For the Prime variant, I replaced the ERMLs with 8 MPLs and 4 DHSs which isn't like the Nova's namesake, but it soundly spanked the original in a fair fight, and the Clan's can't ignore that. It also is devastating in a city where it can use its jets to gain LOS and blast away with everything before jumping away.
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Black Hawk (Nova) (Custom)
Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2870
Cost: 9,960,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 772
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
20.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 83 points 2.50
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 250 6.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 2.50
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 163 8.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 16 24
Center Torso (rear) 6
L/R Torso 12 16
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 8 16
L/R Leg 12 24
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 10,930,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,335
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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4 Medium Pulse Lasers RA 16 4 8.00
4 Medium Pulse Lasers LA 16 4 8.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Assault variant of the Nova, was intentionally designed to have two distinct firing groups. One arm for perpetual long range sniping, the other (a very familiar arm indeed) for closer ranged damage spread. It is nice to note I was able to keep the Nova's namesake trait with this variant if the warrior so chooses.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 12,020,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,887
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER PPCs RA 30 4 12.00
6 ER Medium Lasers LA 30 6 6.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
Forgoing the trademark hands, the Bombardment variant of the Nova, has twin LRM20 2ERML arms for a very Catapult feel. With missiles as the primary damagers and only 6 shots per weapon, it needs to place its shots well before resorting to jumping and firing the lasers.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 12,083,125
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,556
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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LRM-20 RA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS RA - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
LRM-20 LA 6 4 5.00
Artemis IV FCS LA - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) RA - 1 1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (6) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The Nova's City variant is a simple exchange of the ERPPCs in the Assault variant for LPLs. It may not be the best variant in a city compared to other City variants, but it can be patient with the all energy loadout and chip away at armor at range with the LPLs on top of roofs.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 11,551,563
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,560
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
6 ER Medium Lasers LA 30 6 6.00
Free Critical Slots: 4
The Nova's Defense variant mounts a UAC10 arm, which it can afford to have if it is never far from resupply, and can fire more weapons more frequently than the Assault or City variants thanks to the reduced heat concerns of the cannon.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 11,589,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,373
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
6 ER Medium Lasers LA 30 6 6.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 2
Like the Enhanced switches I presented before, this variant exchanges the LRMs for equal weight, equal space, equal heat ATMs.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 11,614,375
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,303
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ATM-9 RA 6 4 5.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RA 10 2 2.00
ATM-9 LA 6 4 5.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LA 10 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) RA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) RA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (ER) (7) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (7) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
Based off the Prime variant, the Fire variant exchanges one arm for a twin Plasma Cannon arm. It is important to note that it can fire everything while jumping if needed.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 11,680,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,225
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Plasma Cannons RA 14 2 6.00
4 Medium Pulse Lasers LA 16 4 8.00
@Plasma Cannon (20) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
The HAG variant that started the medium/light mech HAG20 arm in the first place, it is equally at home sandblasting from afar or blasting away with it's old familiar arm if anyone gets close.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 11,739,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,498
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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HAG-20 RA 4 6 10.00
6 ER Medium Lasers LA 30 6 6.00
@HAG-20 (12) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
And finally, the Heavy Laser variant is the other variant where I kept the shut down after a blazing flash of light trait of the original. Not terribly popular, but is available.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 11,880,625
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,275
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 18(36) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Heavy Large Lasers RA 36 6 8.00
2 Heavy Large Lasers LA 36 6 8.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
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scheinlen
06/17/12 10:52 PM
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How much of a change would the H be if it had manly Medium heavy lasers and 2 small pulse lasers ?
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
06/17/12 11:50 PM
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It would have to be an equal combo of 6HMLs and 6MPLs with 2 1t 1c items in the arms order for that to work, but it would have 40 overheat (68 - 28 = 40) and over 100 in potential damage at close range. It could be good, but I suppose I like the simplicity of the quad HLL loadout with enough heatsinks to fire one set of two at any one time. There is another option. I could do a loadout like the HAG variant with 5 HMLs in one arm and a Gauss rifle with 2 tons of ammo and 1 DHS in the other. It deals roughly the same damage with only 8 overheat while running, and is much more desirable, but maybe not Nova like. Then again, if that was my focus, then I would have loaded up on lasers on the other variants and not even bother with heatsinks.
So here is the second idea for the H variant.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 11,565,625
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,144
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 5 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT 0.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 1.00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
5 Heavy Medium Lasers LA 35 10 5.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 0
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scheinlen
06/18/12 01:25 PM
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I have run a pair of Novas in tournaments before using the alpha strike to just aim for head shots. Overheat yes, enemy survival “0”. What config can you give me in med. Hvy. Lasers that hits hard, yet, will not over heat as bad as the regular prime? What I liked about the 2 Novas was the speed and the awesome alpha strike I could do at a cockpit… now that I miss placed one of my Novas I need to look at my mechs for a pair to run that I can still do the same thing.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
06/19/12 05:26 AM
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Take the one I reconfigured above. It has more weapons than the 4HLL version, giving you more chances of hitting the head. It has a headcapper at range, so you are not limited to the range and targeting issues of the HMLs, and it runs relatively cool compared to the alternative H options. That's about the best I can do with 20 tons that can only be placed in the arms. Otherwise, take the 6HML 6MPL option if you're not shy of shutting down.
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scheinlen
06/22/12 12:47 PM
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In a tournament one on on I found most people run mechs bigger then me but the mass firepower that I had and the chances of a head shot the Nova never let my down. I might get trashed also but the target normally fell...
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
Edited by scheinlen (06/22/12 12:47 PM)
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CYBRN4CR
06/22/12 11:21 PM
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If you like that ability, take the new Prime Nova. 8MPLs with enough heatsinks to jump while firing will shred anyone who even tries to mess with you. It even killed the original Nova with 12ERMLs - 28 wins to 2 losses on a blank map!
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scheinlen
06/23/12 01:33 PM
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Nice, that seems to be the design I'l use in the next battle I am in. thank you.
It is not my job to judge my Enemies, that is there God's job. It is only my duty to arrange the meeting!
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CYBRN4CR
06/25/12 04:58 AM
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Here's the next mech in the series, and one of my favorites from MW2, the Stormcrow.
The original Stormcrow base chassis has a 6/9/0 movement profile, 9.5 tons of FF, ES, and 14 base DHSs, leaving 23 tons available for weapons and equipment. My redesign doesn't change a thing about the base chassis except shuffle the armor and the ES/FF crits around. Giving the Stormcrow heavy mech (2ES 2FF) arms makes it uniquely powerful among medium mechs. This move also changes the Prime variant considerably - from ER lasers to Pulse Lasers and Streaks - much like the old A variant. Frankly, I always thought that combo reflected the chassis better, and it was able to at least match the original Prime in effectiveness.
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Ryoken (Stormcrow) (Custom)
Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E
Production Year: 2930
Cost: 13,363,906 C-Bills
Battle Value: 843
Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
23.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Redesigned by CYBRN4CR
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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 91 points 3.00
Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 330 12.50
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 182 9.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 18 30
Center Torso (rear) 5
L/R Torso 13 20
L/R Torso (rear) 5
L/R Arm 9 18
L/R Leg 13 26
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 14,836,406
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,181
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Large Pulse Laser RA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Large Pulse Laser LA 10 2 6.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
Streak SRM-6 RT 4 2 3.00
Streak SRM-6 LT 4 2 3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 22
The Assault variant of the Stormcrow takes the all energy idea of the old Prime but mounts twin ERPPCs instead, plus an extra ERML, and an Active Probe which makes it a great hunter-killer.
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Loadout Name: A Cost: 15,603,656
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,580
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 16(32) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 12
The Bombardment variant of the Stormcrow switches out the Streaks from the Prime with LRM15s with Artemis. To make room for the missiles the arms were downgraded to ERLL arms.
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Loadout Name: B Cost: 15,455,438
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,240
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 13
The City variant takes after the old B variant, with a UAC20 on the left arm. Instead of 6 ERMLs like the old version, this variant has a ERPPC 2DHS right arm for sniping, with the final ton being an essential Active Probe for city work.
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Loadout Name: C Cost: 15,382,781
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,105
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 2.00
CASE Locations: LT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
Ultra AC/20 LT/LA 7 2/6 12.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/20 (10) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 16
The Defense variant is a simple switch of the ERPPC arms of the Assault variant with a UAC10 arm and a ERLL arm. How well it defends, is yet to be seen.
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Loadout Name: D Cost: 15,128,484
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-E-E BV2: 2,175
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
CASE Locations: LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 15
The Enhanced version switches the LRMs of the Bombardment variant with quad ATM3s shifting the extra tons to heatsinks to Alpha until the ammo runs out.
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Loadout Name: E Cost: 14,715,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 1,947
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 7.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER Large Laser RA 12 1 4.00
ER Large Laser LA 12 1 4.00
2 ATM-3s RT 4 4 3.00
2 ATM-3s LT 4 4 3.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (HE) (20) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 5
The Fire variant keeps the twin Plasma cannons of the old F variant but has two MPLs and four ATM 3s with HE ammo instead of 4 ERMLs 4 AP Gausses and two ERSLs. The damage of the non-plasma weapons are the same, but distributed differently, with this variant having an essential Active Probe on top of the original.
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Loadout Name: F Cost: 15,839,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,085
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 2.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Plasma Cannon RA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser RA 4 1 2.00
Plasma Cannon LA 7 1 3.00
Medium Pulse Laser LA 4 1 2.00
2 ATM-3s RT 4 4 3.00
2 ATM-3s LT 4 4 3.00
Active Probe CT 0 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) RA - 1 1.00
@Plasma Cannon (10) LA - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (HE) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (HE) (20) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 10
The HAG variant is similar to the old G variant except it trades some heatsinks and ERMLs for an ERPPC arm instead.
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Loadout Name: G Cost: 15,305,281
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 2,365
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 2.00
CASE Locations: LA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
HAG-20 LA 4 6 10.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
@HAG-20 (12) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 16
Finally, the Heavy Laser variant simply exchanges the ERLLs of the Enhanced version with no other changes.
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Loadout Name: H Cost: 14,909,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E BV2: 1,816
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 17(34) 7.00
Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Heavy Large Laser RA 18 3 4.00
Heavy Large Laser LA 18 3 4.00
2 ATM-3s RT 4 4 3.00
2 ATM-3s LT 4 4 3.00
@ATM-3 (ER) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-3 (HE) (20) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1
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CYBRN4CR
07/13/12 08:09 AM
67.204.151.83
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Actually, I take back what I said about the Nova Prime. 4MPLs and 2DHSs is too chilled to be a Nova, and you actually will be in a better situation if you and your opponent both run - if you jump EDIT they have some ranges they can use to exploit your movement.
Here is the breakdown.
MPL Nova Targeting | jumped +3 opponent moved 7-9 = +3 pulse -2
1-4 +4 (7-8TH), 5-8 +6 (9-10TH), 9-12 +8 (11-12TH), 13-16 +10 (impossible TH)
ERML Nova Targeting | ran +2 opponent moved 5-6 = +2 opponent jumped +1
1-5 +5 (8-9TH), 6-10 +7 (10-11TH), 11-15 +9 (12TH), 16-20 +11 (impossible TH)
ER Advantage hexes 5, 9-10, 13-15 = 6 (10 if nobody moved)
Equal hexes none
MPL Advantage hexes 1-4, 6-8, 11-12 = 9 (10 if nobody moved)
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MPL Nova Targeting | jumped +3 opponent moved 5-6 (Oops!) = +2 pulse -2
1-4 +3 (6-7TH), 5-8 +5 (8-9TH), 9-12 +7 (10-11TH), 13-16 +9 (12TH)
ERML Nova Targeting | walked +1 opponent moved 5-6 = +2 opponent jumped +1
1-5 +4 (7-8TH), 6-10 +6 (9-10TH), 11-15 +8 (11TH), 16-20 +10 (impossible TH)
ER Advantage hexes 5, 9-10, 13-15 = 6 (10 if nobody moved)
Equal hexes none
MPL Advantage hexes 1-4, 6-8, 11-12, 16 = 10
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MPL Nova Targeting | ran +2 opponent moved 7-9 = +3 pulse -2
1-4 +3 (6-7TH), 5-8 +5 (8-9TH), 9-12 +7 (10-11TH), 13-16 +9 (12TH)
ERML Nova Targeting | ran +2 opponent moved 7-9 = +3
1-5 +5 (8-9TH), 6-10 +7 (10-11TH), 11-15 +9 (12TH), 16-20 +11 (impossible TH)
ER Advantage hexes none (4 if nobody moved)
Equal hexes 5, 9-10, 13-15 = 6
MPL Advantage hexes 1-4, 6-8, 11-12, 16 = 10
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So here is my modifications to the Nova Prime arms. I decided to make them a hybrid of the old arms (6ERML 1DHS) and the new ones so the Nova is good in all these scenarios no matter what. The resulting new arms are (3ERML 3MPL 1DHS) arms with the Hand actuators still intact for a preservation of the classic look. 32 heatsinks means you can run constantly with the ERMLs or MPLs whichever will give you that extra edge and jump only if it will put you in a better position firing the MPLs while doing so. THAT is what you should take to battle scheinlen.
Edited by CYBRN4CR (07/14/12 04:57 AM)
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