Karagin
07/10/13 09:03 PM
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BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout VALIDATED
Type/Model: Dragon HAAAV Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060 Config: Tracked Vehicle Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Mass: 75 tons Power Plant: 225 Kurenwor XL Fusion Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h Armor Type: Ulston 105 Ferro-Fibrous Armament: 5 Para-Ordance Rotary AC/2s Manufacturer: Naysmith Machine Tools Location: Katanga, Terra Communications System: O/P 3000 COMSET Targeting & Tracking System: O/P 3000
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ==Overview:== The Dragon HAAAV is not a pure front line comabt unit, it is a support/defensive unit. Mission is to take down low fly aerospace units and conventional aircraft and VTOLs. That doesn't mean it is not an excellent fire support platform.
Once the bridgehead on Remagin 3 was secure New Terran Republic forces began to breakout of their postions and slowly started to push Blake forces back into the hinterlands of Remagin 3. Fighting became very close and personal, as ambush and hit and run attacks replaced battels of manuever and envolpe.
Seeing the need for a heavy fire suppression vehicle the NTR commanders began to use their air defense vehicles like the Dragon to provide the high volume of fire needed to keep Blakist on the run. NTR ground troops loved having these vehicles around and the requests for their firepower far out paced their numbers on the ground.
Once the fighting on Remagin 3 was finished, the NTR began to work a version of the Dragon that was able to do both missions without losing any fire power, currently testing is still underway.
-------------------------------------------------------- Type/Model: Dragon HAAAV Mass: 75 tons Construction Options: Fractional Accounting
Equipment: Items Mass Int. Struct.: 40 pts Standard 0 7.50 Engine: 225 XL Fusion 2 5.00 Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 2.50 Cruise MP: 3 Flank MP: 5 Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00 Cockpit & Controls: 0 3.75 Crew: 5 Members 0 .00 Turret Equipment: 0 4.00 Armor Factor: 147 pts Ferro-Fibrous 2 8.20
Internal Armor Structure Value Front: 8 30 Left / Right Sides: 8 30/30 Rear: 8 25 Turret: 8 32
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass -------------------------------------------------------- 5 Rotary AC/2s Turret 0 90 6 42.00 1 C.A.S.E. Equipment Body 1 .50 Fire Control Radar Body 1 1.55 -------------------------------------------------------- TOTALS: 0 12 75.00 Items & Tons Left: 8 .00
Calculated Factors: Total Cost: 10,023,125 C-Bills Battle Value 2: 1,119 (old BV = 780) Cost per BV: 8,957.22 Weapon Value: 651 / 651 (Ratio = .58 / .58) Damage Factors: SRDmg = 36; MRDmg = 25; LRDmg = 10 BattleForce2: MP: 3T, Armor/Structure: 0 / 6 Damage PB/M/L: 3/3/3, Overheat: 0 Class: GH; Point Value: 11
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/02/14 10:35 PM
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And up to the top it goes...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:06 PM
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At full throttle your tank here has a grand total endurance of...
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...3 turns...
Well at least ammo explosions are a thing of the past?
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Karagin
02/02/14 11:14 PM
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And you forget the idea of ammo carriers like the J27s or a similar vehicle.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:24 PM
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I do not forget, but too much dependency is bad on logistics and makes such carriers easy, juicy targets.
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ghostrider
02/02/14 11:24 PM
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too expensive. thought it would be good about doing criticals on an advancing tank battalion.
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Karagin
02/02/14 11:25 PM
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10 million is to much? Interesting.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:28 PM
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You could drop a RAC and make it a fuel cell to make it less ludicrous.
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Karagin
02/02/14 11:32 PM
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I like it with the fusion engine, it has work well in about dozen fights so really no need to change it.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:34 PM
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Until you lose one to, say, anything, and have to pay an arm and a leg.
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Karagin
02/02/14 11:36 PM
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I don't see 10 million as an arm or a leg, so not to worried about losing one.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
02/02/14 11:37 PM
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To my knowledge, (and thats old knowledge) a 75 ton mech is cheaper to purchase then the tank is. I think an innersphere kraken would do about the same with costing less, but haven't sat down to figure it out.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:37 PM
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I'd rather have 2 vees with 4 of these weapons than 1 with 5
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Karagin
02/02/14 11:47 PM
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I would need to check that as well Ghostrider. And Retry if you want 2 with four then go that route.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:50 PM
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You clearly love overpriced tanks, why not upgrade to XXL?
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ghostrider
02/02/14 11:52 PM
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atn loves overpriced tanks.
I keep forgetting the newer items that came out. It may not be close anymore.
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Retry
02/02/14 11:54 PM
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ATN loves oversized tanks.
Karagin loves overpriced tanks.
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ghostrider
02/02/14 11:54 PM
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if your stats are right on your firedrake, it is around 4.5 mil. I will check any other designs posted here as well.
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Retry
02/03/14 12:07 AM
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Wait a minute
You would not mind losing this 10 million easy target, but a 4 mill Mirage helicopter from Hell is too much for your taste?
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Karagin
02/03/14 06:26 AM
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I never said a 4 million VTOL was too much, I am saying that 10 million to a military for a unit is not considered a crazy amount and losing it is part of the risk of being in war.
And the price of an XXL engine is too high even for my ideas of what a military is going to risk, sometimes the cool and wow are weighed against an outrageous cost and the XXL engine is one of those things. And again if you can build the vehicle for less KEEPING the 5 RACs and the same armor and speed then please Retry show us your skills and build it.
Karagin
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Retry
02/03/14 09:51 AM
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Your specifications are ludicrous but it should be finished by the end of today.
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ghostrider
02/03/14 12:46 PM
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You suggested having 2 vehicles and a fuel cell over one vehicle, retry. Show Karagin up by making it work
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Retry
02/03/14 01:39 PM
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No, I said I would rather have 2 vees, he says keep it as 1 somehow.
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Cray
02/03/14 07:22 PM
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Quote: Until you lose one to, say, anything, and have to pay an arm and a leg.
If it's a government vehicle, then it's not that much of a problem after 3050 (or before 2800).
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
02/03/14 07:26 PM
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Quote: You clearly love overpriced tanks, why not upgrade to XXL?
XXLs are experimental and hard to find. After 3050 to 3060, XLs are common enough for an elite government force's tanks. A merc might avoid this, but there's no reason for a government with a budget in the quadrillions of CB to avoid a 10 million CB tank. The bottleneck for government military growth in the 31st Century is vehicle/'Mech production capacity, not individual components or budget. When you're building a limited number of regiments per year, get the best that's available and supportable.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/03/14 07:34 PM
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I can understand how mechs can be hard to come by but tanks should be easy to come by because they are not so complicated to build. If you can build civilian tracked tractors you should be able to make tanks of a sort.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
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Retry
02/03/14 09:06 PM
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If a government has the money to waste XL engines they may as well waste the XL engines on better designs that aren't made of tin.
At a bit more than half the cost, this design has more armor, an armored chassis and CASE II for safety, and the same everything else as he requested.
Dakkamaster RAC2 Carrier IS experimental 95 tons BV: 1,353 Cost: 5,332,275 C-bills
Movement: 3/5 (Tracked) Engine: 285 Fuel Cell
Internal: 50 Armor: 224 (Ferro-Fibrous) Internal Armor Front 10 54 Right 10 45 Left 10 45 Rear 10 30 Turret 10 50
Weapons Loc Heat Rotary AC/2 TU 1 Rotary AC/2 TU 1 Rotary AC/2 TU 1 Rotary AC/2 TU 1 Rotary AC/2 TU 1
Ammo Loc Shots Rotary AC/2 Ammo BD 45 Rotary AC/2 Ammo BD 45
Equipment Loc Armored Chassis BD CASE II BD
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Karagin
02/03/14 09:23 PM
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You built it 20 tons heavier, kind of defeats the point really.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/03/14 09:37 PM
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Those 20 tons aren't going to affect it's ability to be carried in a dropship. Those 20 tons aren't going to cause it to sink into some random extra terrain. Those 20 tons aren't going to limit it's terrain traversing abilities. Those 20 tons aren't really hurting it. At all. What is it the point that is beaten by those 20 tons?(And more importantly, if tonnage is a issue why not DOWNSIZE?!?!)
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Karagin
02/03/14 09:38 PM
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So where is the 75 ton version that does all of that Retry? Building a bigger version doesn't prove it's better, the challenge was for you to build the SAME vehicle at the same tonnage with all of the same weapons, armor etc...not add 20 tons of stuff to it, so can you build the same vehicle for the same tonnage etc...with your idea or not?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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