Karagin
02/24/14 10:56 PM
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Code: BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Urbanmech 2 UM-R100
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 40 tons
Chassis: Republic-R Endo Steel
Power Plant: 160 Leenex Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: 4 Pitban 6000 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor Type: Durallex Medium Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Ultra AC/5s
1 Small Laser
Manufacturer: Orguss Industries
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Dalban Interact
Targeting & Tracking System: Dalban Urban
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Type/Model: Urbanmech 2 UM-R100
Mass: 40 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 67 pts Endo Steel 14 2.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 6 LA, 2 RA, 5 LT, 1 RT)
Engine: 160 Fusion 6 6.00
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 4 .00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 HD, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Gyro: 4 2.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA 12 .00
Armor Factor: 99 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 5.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 3 LA, 3 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 8
Center Torso: 12 13
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 10 10/10
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 6 9/9
L/R Leg: 10 14/14
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Ultra AC/5 RA 1 20 6 10.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Small Laser LA 1 1 .50
1 Ultra AC/5 RT 1 5 9.00
4 Standard Jump Jets: 4 2.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 CT)
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TOTALS: 5 75 40.00
Crits & Tons Left: 3 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 3,072,884 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 817 (old BV = 785)
Cost per BV2: 3,761.18
Weapon Value: 352 / 352 (Ratio = .43 / .43)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 13; MRDmg = 10; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 4J, Armor/Structure: 2/3
Damage PB/M/L: 2/1/1, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 8
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/24/14 11:01 PM
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Too fast to have the feel of a true urbie, too thin rear armor, and ammo is albeit thin.
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Karagin
02/24/14 11:05 PM
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Too Fast? All I did was double the speed, it's not reaching any world or universe records for speed and yes the ammo is thin, but thing is are you going to burn through all 20 in one turn? No. Plus this one like the original will have friends around, like infantry and tanks and other mechs to help it out.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/24/14 11:06 PM
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It still doesn't feel like an urbanmech.
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Karagin
02/24/14 11:11 PM
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So because it's faster it's not an Urbanmech...okay noted.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/24/14 11:13 PM
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Well, it could be an urban mech, it just can't be an Urbanmech.
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Karagin
02/24/14 11:15 PM
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I like the name so I am sticking with it.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
02/24/14 11:39 PM
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would really be an urban mech with a 20 instead of 2 fives. Bumping it up 10 tons should be more of the not an urbanmech cry then the speed.
Still usable, though I wonder why you are doing this section instead of kj.
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Retry
02/24/14 11:39 PM
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It's use is limited by the ammo. It's endurance is as bad as some atlas's AC/20.
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ghostrider
02/24/14 11:54 PM
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The weight saved by the ac 20 over the twin 5s should give you more ammo capacity.
Granted its better to have some energy weapons on it, or maybe go with missile packs. Short, or possibly mmls.
One other issue with the ac 5's is the minimum range. In a city that is more likely. Not saying 3 is bad, but range of one makes it hard to aim...
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Retry
02/24/14 11:56 PM
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Ah right forgot about minimal ranges.
Kind of counterintuitive when you use an "Urban"Mech.
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ghostrider
02/25/14 12:00 AM
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Might have been the reason for the ac 10 in to original design.
It would be the same issue with a ppc so a large laser or several medium ones would be better.
Maybe the most dangerous urban suicide machine.. use all mgs. That should really piss the enemy off when the mgs find the weak spots in their armor.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/25/14 06:15 AM
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I would swop out the 5s for Large Lasers and add another ton of armor.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
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But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
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Cray
02/25/14 06:18 PM
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Quote:
So because it's faster it's not an Urbanmech...okay noted.
That's actually a common complaint about player-made Urbies. If it doesn't look and move like a waddling trashcan, then some folks feel it isn't an Urbanmech.
I mean, I don't like the 2/3 movement curve, but I can't bring myself to make the Urbanmech faster. I call it a different name.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
02/25/14 06:25 PM
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Quote:
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So because it's faster it's not an Urbanmech...okay noted.
That's actually a common complaint about player-made Urbies. If it doesn't look and move like a waddling trashcan, then some folks feel it isn't an Urbanmech.
I mean, I don't like the 2/3 movement curve, but I can't bring myself to make the Urbanmech faster. I call it a different name.
Kinda the same for me, but I'll allow myself to bump it up to 3/5/3 as an uprade, as long as it's more-or-less the same otherwise.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Retry
02/25/14 06:37 PM
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Same here, the IIC kind of shows the maximum speed an urbie can go and still be an urbie.
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ghostrider
02/25/14 08:07 PM
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so slow it down to 1/2 and make it one hell of a weapons platform 
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Karagin
02/25/14 09:40 PM
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It's a heavier version, and it goes faster, doesn't mean it can't do the same job.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/26/14 12:43 AM
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It can be an urbanmech.
But it's still not an UrbanMech.
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Karagin
02/26/14 06:23 AM
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It is AN Urbanmech Retry or did you miss the name?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/26/14 09:33 AM
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I can make a 10 ton mech and call it am Atlas.
It still won't be an Atlas.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/26/14 09:48 AM
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I can make a 10 ton mech and call it am Atlas.
It still won't be an Atlas.
Well if it shows you everywhere you might want to go then it would be an atlas. Or you could name your mech Map. LOL
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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KamikazeJohnson
02/26/14 09:59 AM
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I can make a 10 ton mech and call it am Atlas.
It still won't be an Atlas.
Well if it shows you everywhere you might want to go then it would be an atlas. Or you could name your mech Map. LOL
***Painful Dora the Explorer flashback***
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Karagin
02/26/14 10:18 PM
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Depends Retry, is all it facing is Battlearmor and unarmored infantry then it could indeed be used in the role the Atlas was original for, terrorizing the enemy and thus it would be very powerful against things not coming even close to the total weight. But I guess role of the mech isn't important to you as the name is.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/27/14 01:18 AM
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Quote:
***Painful Dora the Explorer flashback***
??? I dont know what that is.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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KamikazeJohnson
02/27/14 10:21 AM
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Quote:
Quote:
***Painful Dora the Explorer flashback***
??? I dont know what that is.
Then you're obviously not a parent lol.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
02/27/14 11:16 AM
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Then you're obviously not a parent lol.
Does my taking care of four donkeys that are always getting into EVERYTHING, causes mayhem and destruction on a daily basses then acts like I am being the most mean thing in all creation when I get after them for what was destroyed count as me being a parent?
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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KamikazeJohnson
02/27/14 11:26 AM
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Then you're obviously not a parent lol.
Does my taking care of four donkeys that are always getting into EVERYTHING, causes mayhem and destruction on a daily basses then acts like I am being the most mean thing in all creation when I get after them for what was destroyed count as me being a parent?
Unless they watch endless hours of highly irritating children's programming, then in this context, no.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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ghostrider
02/27/14 12:04 PM
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television. The one thing that came make the difference in parents lives. It teaches them and on the bad side, it teaches them.
Now the arguement of feeling like an urban mech. It is 10 tons heavier then the original.
The interesting thing is I have never heard anyone complain the 100 ton marauder II or the 80 ton Marauder IIc didn't feel like a marauder.
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Retry
02/27/14 05:41 PM
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That's because someone canon in-universe made it and it's not a custom build.
So it may not feel like a Marauder, but a Marauder II would feel like a Marauder II.
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ghostrider
02/27/14 05:57 PM
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So if someone in the developement team built a 60 ton urbanmech, it would fee like one?
I could say the annihilator mech is the top end result of the urbanmech.
It is the same speed, but has 4 cannons instead of 1. It has jets as well.
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Retry
02/27/14 06:00 PM
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They'd probably call it something like an Urbanmech II, which wouldn't feel like an Urbanmech, but it would feel like an Urbanmech II, being an Urbanmech II.
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Karagin
02/27/14 06:13 PM
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That makes no sense Retry
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/27/14 06:15 PM
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Retry wrote: That's because someone canon in-universe made it and it's not a custom build.
So it may not feel like a Marauder, but a Marauder II would feel like a Marauder II.
So its okay if the PTB do it but not okay if we the fans do...again Retry that makes no sense.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/27/14 06:28 PM
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The fan-made ones can't claim it is a variant when it's made as differently as you made yours.
The canon ones in-universe are, well, made in-universe. So by default they possess the traits to make them "feel" like themselves, even if that means what they "feel" like changes as a consequence of the new model. Though, the Marauder II doesn't use the exact same chassis of the Marauder, it's just based upon the Marauder.
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Karagin
02/27/14 06:32 PM
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I can claim anything I want Retry. You are making no sense with your non-logical line of argument here.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/27/14 06:35 PM
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Oh for god's sakes
Mech A feels like Mech A
Mech A Mk.II variant is made canon
Mech A Mk.II variant feels like Mech A because of the first assumption, Mech A feels like Mech A, and Mech A Mk.II is just a variant of said Mech A.
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Karagin
02/27/14 06:52 PM
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Sorry not following your logic on this. This mech the Urbanmech 2 UM-R100 is no different then existing mechs like the Marauder II. If you don't like that take on things then don't use the mech.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
02/27/14 06:58 PM
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Yes, it is different.
The Marauder II shows it's not a Marauder but based off the Marauder.
Your Urbanmech...
2...
Why no roman numerals?
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ghostrider
02/27/14 07:09 PM
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Guess he is saying that for some, a unit that is modified from the original just doesn't feel right, since you got use to playing it a certain way.
I am guessing that you have not used the varients of the archer. The original has the dual 20 packs. Try the kurita one with the dual large lasers. They dropped the 20s to 15s and removed the 4 medium lasers. That is a whole knew mech to play with.
I have seen a few designs here that would make great units to use in the game. The fact that the owners did not publics it, isn't a big deal. It kinda shows their developers don't have as much imagination to come up with some of the more logical designs.
I am getting the impression he is upset because of the less then nice feed back he has gotten to a few of his units posted.
This conversation is kinda reverse of the one being done in the crossroads unit conversations.
Only here retry looks to be saying the mechs aren't canon so they should be left out.
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Karagin
02/27/14 07:10 PM
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To answer your #2, cause I didn't want to use Roman numerals. And to answer your first counter point, the 2 shows that it is take on the Urbanmech as does the UM-R100 which is different from the design code the Urbanmech has. Or did you miss that part as well?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
02/27/14 07:18 PM
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With retrys logic, the Charger varients should have roman numerals behind them, since they are based on the original, but aren't even close in speed, weapons or armor.
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Karagin
02/27/14 07:19 PM
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Excellent point again Ghostrider.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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