Karagin
03/01/14 05:43 PM
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Code: BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Phoenix Hawk PXH-12K
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 45 tons
Chassis: Orguss Stinger Endo Steel
Power Plant: 270 GM Fusion
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: 6 Pitban 9000 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor Type: Durallex Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Large Laser
3 Medium Lasers
1 Small Laser
Manufacturer: Orguss Industries
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Tek BattleCom
Targeting & Tracking System: Tek Tru-Trak
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Type/Model: Phoenix Hawk PXH-12K
Mass: 45 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 75 pts Endo Steel 14 2.50
(Endo Steel Loc: 4 LA, 3 RA, 5 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
Engine: 270 Fusion 6 14.50
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 6
Heat Sinks: 12 Double [24] 6 2.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 2 RT)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 152 pts Ferro-Fibrous 14 8.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 8
Center Torso: 14 23
Center Torso (Rear): 5
L/R Side Torso: 11 18/18
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 7 14/14
L/R Leg: 11 22/22
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Large Laser RA 8 2 5.00
1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00
1 Small Laser LA 1 1 .50
1 Medium Laser LT 3 1 1.00
6 Standard Jump Jets: 6 3.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 3 LT, 3 RT)
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TOTALS: 18 77 45.00
Crits & Tons Left: 1 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 4,439,102 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 1,265 (old BV = 1,221)
Cost per BV2: 3,509.17
Weapon Value: 1,023 / 1,023 (Ratio = .81 / .81)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 19; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 6J, Armor/Structure: 4/4
Damage PB/M/L: 4/2/-, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 13
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
03/01/14 09:09 PM
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No advanced lasers?
Another cold mech as well.
Still not to much different from the original. A medium laser changed from the mgs.
But only a small laser for the mg ammo.
Without looking, did you add half ton ammo for the other half of the mg ammo?
It is very usable.
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Karagin
03/01/14 10:07 PM
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I used a variant of the mech that already had lasers and no MGs.
High tech doesn't mean everything has to be advanced, this has several things on it that are high tech.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/01/14 10:32 PM
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Still, this would benefit greatly from an ERLL.
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Karagin
03/01/14 10:34 PM
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Nope it would not, since I did not have any plans to upgrade the weapons, again this follows how many of the mechs in the TRO2750 didn't have every weapon replaced with higher tech ones, good example is the Crab.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/01/14 10:36 PM
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Yes, it would, the LL has much better range brackets than even the PPC...
EDIT:The ERLL would have the better range brackets.
Edited by Retry (03/01/14 10:37 PM)
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Karagin
03/01/14 10:39 PM
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And it has the LL. Which is what I wanted it to have. It's not about maxing everything out Retry.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/01/14 10:42 PM
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You just said it wouldn't benefit, now you're saying you're just not maxing it. Which is it then?
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Karagin
03/01/14 10:55 PM
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Were did I say it would not benefit? I said it wasn't the route I was going with the mech, and that I am not trying max it out by using the higher tech weapons when I have already put Endo, Ferro and DHS on it, which is more then enough to allow the mech to operate better.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/01/14 10:57 PM
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Quote:
Still, this would benefit greatly from an ERLL.
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Nope it would not
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Karagin
03/01/14 11:04 PM
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Did you read the part where I said it had enough high tech on it?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/01/14 11:15 PM
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You said it would not, which you claimed. Yet it would. It's as clear cut as that.
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Karagin
03/01/14 11:20 PM
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I am not seeing the benefit since the point, yet again, was not to over tech the mech, but use items a bit smarter then just replacing to replace things.
Now let me ask this Retry do you have to win at all cost when you play and if you can't win you do all you can to hurt the other side out of spite?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 01:36 AM
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Have you seen the project omega tro?
You do not have to have everything min/maxed to play with it.
The advanced lasers would be great to have on it, but not everyone agrees with it.
Do you use er or pulse?
The omega used heavy lasers on it.
An upgrade does not mean it has to have all the new tech with it.
As with everything else. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Also put up your version.
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Karagin
03/02/14 12:22 PM
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No have not seen this TRO you speak of, can you give me a link to it?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/02/14 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Yes, it would, the LL has much better range brackets than even the PPC...
EDIT:The ERLL would have the better range brackets.
I'd still go with a PPC. That way you've got built-in tonnage to upgrade to an ER PPC.
Of course, if you're stuck with a Large Laser's tonnage for the main gun...an ER LL is an adequate drop-in replacement, assuming you've got DHS.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Quote:
Yes, it would, the LL has much better range brackets than even the PPC...
EDIT:The ERLL would have the better range brackets.
I'd still go with a PPC. That way you've got built-in tonnage to upgrade to an ER PPC.
Of course, if you're stuck with a Large Laser's tonnage for the main gun...an ER LL is an adequate drop-in replacement, assuming you've got DHS.
Of course, TRO:3050 abounds with 'Mechs carrying ERLLs and ERPPCs that would actually be much more effective without the upgrade. Even DHS have limits.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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ghostrider
03/02/14 02:51 PM
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Seen it in a store years ago. Don't know if they kept it official or if they want to ignore it. I flipped thru it, and saw a few mechs. The phoenix hawk was one that I remembered somewhat.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 03:18 PM
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Sorry. It is project Phoenix. Not omega.
my apologies to all that spend the time looking on line for it.
Next time I will have to make sure of the name.
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Retry
03/02/14 05:22 PM
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Now let me ask this Retry do you have to win at all cost when you play and if you can't win you do all you can to hurt the other side out of spite?
I won't let this go. Where in the hell did this come from?
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Retry
03/02/14 07:47 PM
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Karagin, Answer.
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Karagin
03/02/14 07:48 PM
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Answer what Retry?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 07:52 PM
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Don't play dumb now. The quoted statement doesn't need any additional notes.
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Karagin
03/02/14 07:57 PM
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What are you referring to?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:14 PM
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Oh god.
"and if you can't win you do all you can to hurt the other side out of spite?"
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:18 PM
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Oh that..yes it seems to be more of a question of how you play the game there Retry, so do you have to win all the time or not?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:19 PM
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Okay, let me get a little more specific.
"you do all you can to hurt the other side out of spite?"
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:22 PM
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I answered your inquire, how about you answer the questions.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:26 PM
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That comment, or "question" as you call it, was uncalled for and only a shy bit away due to your careful phrasing to a personal attack.
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:34 PM
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So asking you if you are a win at all cost player is wrong?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:36 PM
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Inquiring whether I do all I can to hurt the other side out of spite is baseless and wrong. Had that been a statement it'd virtually be libel.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 08:39 PM
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The sense that you do things like add in heat sinks to soak up crits makes it look like you do things to spite your enemy. You have stated that you do put in things to make sure you opponent has a horrible time trying to get the crit to slow you down.
Alot of it seems to have no other reason to do so except that fact.
It may explain why people don't want to play against you. Only one spot in 12 can do any real damage. The rest are all do nothing items. It give that impression.
If you want to say my comment is a personal attack, I am fine with it.
It is not meant to be. I am hoping to give you a chance to see what some people here might be.
I ran into problems like this when I played Dungeons and Dragons. The person tried to make the untouchable, but un able to miss character. It took the fun out of the game. After a while, we stopped dealing with the person.
This is a game. This is as much for everyone else. It is a game.
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:42 PM
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Thank you Ghostrider, well said.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:55 PM
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'scuse me, but what?
The DHS crap in the other thread didn't pop up until a while after Karagin posted the aforementioned comment. So how could it have reason to do with his comment?
Speaking of which, it's his comment I have a quarrel with, not you at all. Are you by any chance using the Threaded view?
I don't have an issue getting people to play. I choose not to bother my IRL friends; I know in advance they wouldn't be interested. Actually, I've already gotten 2 people in the interwebz interested in MM last month, at least one for certain and in the process "tutorializing" the other one.
And neither have any problems with others having the ingenuity to minimize damages dealt by effects like crits.
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