Karagin
03/14/02 03:18 PM
63.173.170.177
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Sorry but it's withdrawn.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/14/02 03:28 PM
63.173.170.177
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Type/Model: Chien
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Mass: 75 tons
Chassis: Standard
Power Plant: 300 Vlar XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: 4 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 LB 10-X AC
1 Ultra AC/5
3 ER Medium Lasers
3 SRM 2s
1 Small Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)
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Type/Model: Chien
Mass: 75 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 114 pts Standard 0 7.50
Engine: 300 XL 12 9.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 231 pts Standard 0 14.50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 23 34
Center Torso (Rear): 12
L/R Side Torso: 16 24/24
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 8/8
L/R Arm: 12 24/24
L/R Leg: 16 32/32
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 LB 10-X AC RA 2 20 8 13.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 RA)
1 Ultra AC/5 LA 1 40 7 11.00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LA)
1 ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
1 SRM 2 LT 2 150 4 4.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
1 ER Medium Laser CT 5 1 1.00
1 Small Laser HD 1 1 .50
1 SRM 2 LL 2 1 1.00
1 SRM 2 RL 2 1 1.00
4 Standard Jump Jets: 4 4.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT)
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TOTALS: 26 66 75.00
Crits & Tons Left: 12 .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 15,778,438 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,326
Cost per BV: 11,899.27
Weapon Value: 1,727 / 1,727 (Ratio = 1.30 / 1.30)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 28; MRDmg = 16; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 4J, Armor/Structure: 6/3
Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/1, Overheat: 1
Class: MH; Point Value: 13
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/14/02 03:33 PM
204.245.128.3
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See? I told you the Ghou-...I mean, Chien had potential to do it.
Do you think Kamikaze will let you slide on the single small laser? 
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
03/14/02 03:34 PM
63.173.170.177
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The two mechs are not the same....
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/14/02 03:36 PM
204.245.128.3
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Right, right. Gotcha. [wink wink]
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
03/14/02 03:38 PM
63.173.170.177
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One is all Level 1 tech (Ghouile) and the other (Chien) is all Level 2 items for the most part.
One has LRMs to support the ACs while the other as short range weapons that are more then likely going to be a major draw back for this mech. Add in the minimum range of the UAC and you have just lost one weapon at close range.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/14/02 03:42 PM
204.245.128.3
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Yep, I noticed those differences, too.
The Chien is quite the upgra-...er, superior mech to the Ghoulie. 
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 03:42 PM
209.202.47.12
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Looks good except for the small laser, which is contrary to the weapon-triplet requirement. Might I suggest substituting CASE in order to reduce repair costs should the ammo be struck during testing? (not to mention keeping the test pilots safe!)
Other than that, everything's A-ok!
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Karagin
03/14/02 03:43 PM
63.173.170.177
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The small laser is there to cover the loss of the UAC at close range fighting, but if you want to replace it with CASE feel free...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Nightmare
03/14/02 03:47 PM
194.251.240.107
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Well, Master Tech Hudson sure as hell didn`t give up.
And for the next JMInc challenge, he decided to put
forth a Challenger
The chassis of a Guillotine proved suitably sturdy,
and the weapon mounting easy. Six medium lasers as
backup weapons, and then for the ACs: A huge AC/20 in the left arm and a UAC/10 in the right arm. Unfortunately, this
heavy weapons loadout required a XL engine in order to
keep speed at acceptable levels.
BattleMech Technical Readout
Type/Model: Challenger CH-1R
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Custom design
Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Crucis II Deluxe ES
Power Plant: 280 VOX XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Starshield
Armament:
1 Imperator Automatic Ultra AC/10
1 Defiance Mech`Hunter Autocannon/20
6 Defiance B3M Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Hudson Refit&Salvage
Location: Unique
Communications System: Tek Battlecom
Targeting & Tracking System:
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Type/Model: Challenger CH-1R
Mass: 70 tons
Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 107 pts Endo Steel 14 3,50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 RA, 6 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine: 280 XL 12 8,00
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 11 Double [22] 0 1,00
Gyro: 4 3,00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA R: Sh+UA+LA+H 14 ,00
Armor Factor: 216 pts Standard 0 13,50
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 22 32
Center Torso (Rear): 11
L/R Side Torso: 15 22/22
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 8/8
L/R Arm: 11 22/22
L/R Leg: 15 30/30
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 Ultra AC/10 RA 4 20 9 15,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
1 Autocannon/20 LA 7 10 12 16,00
(Ammo Locations: 2 LT)
3 Medium Lasers RT 9 3 3,00
2 Medium Lasers CT 6 2 2,00
1 Medium Laser HD 3 1 1,00
CASE Equipment: LT RT 2 1,00
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TOTALS: 33 78 70,00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 ,00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13 677 804 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 259
Cost per BV: 10 864,02
Weapon Value: 1 921 / 1 921 (Ratio = 1,53 / 1,53)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 37; MRDmg = 12; LRDmg = 3
BattleForce2: MP: 4, Armor/Structure: 5/3
Damage PB/M/L: 6/5/1, Overheat: 2
Class: MH; Point Value: 13
Advice for Evil Overlords:
My legions of terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 03:48 PM
209.202.47.12
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Will do...for test purposes only, the Chien will utilize CASE in an appropriate location, although I imagine the production model (if there is one) will retain the laser. Yet another design crippl...er, altered to fit JMInc.'s wacky design requirements 
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Cray
03/14/02 03:49 PM
204.245.128.3
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You're within spitting distance of having a UAC/20 on that beast. Why did you pass? Crits?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 03:53 PM
209.202.47.12
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Heat would be my guess, but what do I know? I didn't design it
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 04:07 PM
209.202.47.12
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What type of ammo do you wish to use with the LB 10-X and the SRM? Cluster and Inferno are both allowed.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Nightmare
03/14/02 04:07 PM
194.251.240.107
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It would have been left without backup weapons if I wanted
a reasonable ammo load. No other reason.
Advice for Evil Overlords:
My legions of terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.
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Karagin
03/14/02 04:22 PM
63.173.170.177
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Sounds fine to me.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 06:21 PM
209.202.47.12
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*Sigh* And to think I caused this...
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Bob_Richter
03/14/02 06:59 PM
134.121.247.162
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Um....you know....for the lance competition, you could give your side a serious boon by replacing that worthless Rifleman...
60 tonners are GOOD!
That's all I had to say.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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TRYCORP
03/14/02 07:19 PM
152.163.201.57
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Instead of shunning the autocannons and designing them around my mech, I designed my mech to "embrase" the autocannons and built my design around them.
BattleMech Technical Readout
ERN-U-01 Earnest
Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Telestar Model 6LQ
Power Plant: Vlar 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Krupp 200 Ferro-Fibrous
Manufacturer(s): 1
UG-CO Mech Yards
Communications System: CommuTech Multi-Channel 10
Targeting & Tracking System: Rander Pinpoint-HY
Overview: 9
The Earnest's design is made to close and pound on its
enemy's before they could react. It carrys a Ultra
Autocannon 2 so it can pin down and maintain damage
while it is closeing on its enemy. Its Ultra Autocannon 20 is
used to "beat" the enemy mech into submission before it
can respond. Three ER Small Lasers add to its deadliness
at close range and it carrys enough heat sinks to disipate
the heat distributed by the Ultra Autocannons while in
double fire mode.
Type: ERN-U-01 Earnest
Technology Base: Inner Sphere Level 2 Custom
Tonnage: 60
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: 6.0
Engine: 300 XL 9.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 11 [22] 1
Gyro: 3
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 179 FF 10.0
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 20 27
Center Torso (Rear): 9
R/L Torso: 14 18
R/L Torso (Rear): 6
R/L Arm: 10 18
R/L Leg: 14 25
BV : 1132 Cost : 11578480
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Heat Mass
Ultra AC/20 RA 10 8 15.0
@Ultra AC/20 (15) RT 3 0 3.0
Ultra AC/2 LT 3 1 7.0
@Ultra AC/2 (45) LT 1 0 1.0
ER Small Laser LA 1 2 0.5
ER Small Laser LA 1 2 0.5
ER Small Laser LA 1 2 0.5
*** ACTUATORS LA LH
*** HS RT1 RT1 LT1
*** FF H1 CT2 LT2 LA5 RL2 LL2
*** END
"Machine Guns! Thats a Summoner out there! Do you plan to punch little holes in it, and have it fall down from too much ventilation!?!"
TRYCORP
Clan Nova Cat
Edited by TRYCORP (03/14/02 07:27 PM)
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NathanKell
03/14/02 08:05 PM
24.44.238.62
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I'm afraid, after sleeping on it, I have one leetle change...
Drop the LA's DHS, the AC/5, and its ammo, and replace with UAC5 and ammo.
DBM file updated.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
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LordChaos
03/14/02 08:40 PM
216.161.102.112
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That's it! My sanity is fleeing!
After witnessing some of these perversions.. (expecialy the 75 ton Anhilator....), I had to design a 75 ton Kraken (6 UAC2s and a LB5-X for those twisted enough to be interested). NO, I'm NOT going to submit it. That would be cruel.
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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novakitty
03/14/02 11:55 PM
24.240.246.16
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The Experimental SRB is not a spectacular mech. It might not even be average. But it is a mech in the weight range for this contest that may fit the requirements.
Experimental SRB
Tonnage: 60
Engine: 300 XL
Heat Sinks: 10 standard
Movement:
Walking: 5
Running: 8
Jumping: 5
Internal Structure: 3 tons
Armor: 12.5 tons standard
H: 9
CT: 30/9
Side Torso: 21/7
Arms: 20
Legs: 28
Weapons:
Hatchet / 4 tons / 4 crits / RA
Hatchet / 4 tons / 4 crits / LA
AC2 / 4 tons / 1 crit / H
ammo: 1 ton / 1 crit / RT
LB5X / 8 tons / 5 crits / LT
ammo: 1 ton / 1crit / RT
BV: 988
Cost: 11,522,560 C-Bills
meow
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KamikazeJohnson
03/14/02 11:58 PM
209.202.47.12
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Gotcha...now its even more like my "Icky"
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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KamikazeJohnson
03/15/02 12:10 AM
209.202.47.12
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Pardon my ignorance, but didn't I hear somewhere that a 'Mech can't mount 2 physical weapons? I know TDB allows it but...
Anyone care to fill me in on the full rules re: physical weapons, just to be on the safe side? I don't want to use outdated/misinterpreted rules :-\
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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KamikazeJohnson
03/15/02 12:20 AM
209.202.47.12
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Its all right, sir. The men in white coats will be here for you shortly. They'll put you in a nice, padded room. You'll be happy there. You'll have the entire JMInc. executive and design team for company.
As long as you take these 'Mechs in context, they aren't too bad. I mean, a Shadow Hawk seems a little strange, but put it in a ring with a Wolverine, a Blackjack, a Banshee, and a couple JagerMechs, and it's actually pretty good 
And anyway...where's the challenge in designing simply "a good 'Mech"? Designing something reasonably effective within some rather bizarre restrictions...that goes beyond skill, that's coming close to...ART!!!!!!!
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Hellbringer
03/15/02 12:20 AM
192.195.234.26
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How much ya wanna bet this thing dies from ammo-related explosions every fight?
AMO-101 AmmoMan
70 Tons
IS Tech Level 2
Engine: 280XL
Heat Sinks: 10 (20) Double
Left Arm: All Actuators
Right Arm: Shoulder and Upper Arm
Movement:
Walking: 4
Running: 6
Jumping: 0
Armor Factor:
Head: 9
Center Torso/Rear: 32/11
Left/Right Torso/Rear: 23/7
Left/Right Arm: 22
Left/Right Leg: 30
Eqiupment: Location/Critical/Tonnage
LB 10-X AC: Left Arm/6/11
@LB 10-X AC: LA/1/1
@LB-10-X AC: LA/1/1
Ultra AC/5: Left Torso/5/9
@Ultra AC/5: LT/1/1
@Ultra AC/5: LT/1/1
@Ultra AC/5: LT/1/1
LRM 5: Right Arm/1/2
LRM 5: Right Arm/1/2
LRM 5: Right Arm/1/2
@LRM 5: RT/1/1
@LRM 5: RT/1/1
Streak SRM 2 (OS): Left Leg/1/2
Streak SRM 2 (OS): Right Leg/1/2
Streak SRM 2 (OS): Center Torso/1/2
Cost: 13,387,954
Battle Value: 1,097
Yes it might easily explode, but even running it dissapates all heat. I guess the only thing you could use this for is to drop it into an enemy base or into the middle of a tight enemy formation and let the thing blast away. I hope you guys like the AmmoMan. I just vow to take Novakitty down HARD. Best of luck to all.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Bob_Richter
03/15/02 12:25 AM
134.121.247.162
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HMPro allows it too, and HMPro is as official as it gets.
You can MOUNT two, just can't USE both.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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KamikazeJohnson
03/15/02 12:27 AM
209.202.47.12
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You know...I think you're the only person I've ever seen (other than FA$A employees) make use of OS missile launchers...I've never seen much point to them, myself. Although Streak OS launchers have considerably more appeal *scratches chin thoughtfully* yeeeesssssss.........
And the eternal question...Cluster or Slug ammo for the LB? Or one of each?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
Edited by KamikazeJohnson (03/15/02 12:28 AM)
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KamikazeJohnson
03/15/02 12:52 AM
209.202.47.12
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Ok...that'll work. Should create some interesting action
novakitty...Cluster or Slug ammo for the LB 5-X?
And where should I place te jump jets?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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LordChaos
03/15/02 12:59 AM
216.161.102.112
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I know.... now, if I can manage to win this one, I've already picked the design requirements for the next challange.... course, I don't know if even *I* can design a decent one under my challange... 
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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