Karagin
04/17/02 11:27 PM
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who wins?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Gangrene
04/18/02 12:10 AM
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What's a FishSpeaker?
Gangrene
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Karagin
04/18/02 12:13 AM
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They are out of one of the Dune books...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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novakitty
04/18/02 12:25 AM
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In that case, I vote Sandworm.
meow
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Hellbringer
04/18/02 02:28 AM
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I vote the Fremen riding the Sandworm.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Hellbringer
04/18/02 12:14 PM
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LOL!!!!!!!!! Great Answer Dude!!!!!!!!
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
04/18/02 12:26 PM
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Ok all nice answers now can get back on to the topic...:)
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
04/18/02 12:29 PM
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It seems most people aren't familiar enough with FishSpeakers to comment, actually. I'm certainly in that group. I only read the first Frank Herbert Dune novel and several of the recent follow-ons by his son and Anderson.
Could you tell us more about the Fishspeakers?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
04/18/02 12:35 PM
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The best thing is to read the novels, I can see if I can find a web page with the info on them, but my telling you about them would be really limited to what I recall from reading the books 10 years ago...
I will see what I can do though...now to find the box will all of the Dune books in it...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Hellbringer
04/18/02 12:38 PM
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Are these so-called "Fishspeakers" from the REAL Dune books or the wannabees that have come out in the past couple of years?
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
04/18/02 01:59 PM
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The series by Frank Herbet the one that they made original DUNE movie from...the ones written in the 60s...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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NathanKell
04/18/02 02:42 PM
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They're from God Emperor of Dune, the fourth book in the series.
It's set many, many, centuries after the first three, after Leto II becomes (and stays, heh) Emperor. His troops are called Fish Speakers, and are, each and every one, female.
Other than Leto himself, sandworms make no appearance IIRC.
That's about all I can recall.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Karagin
04/18/02 02:44 PM
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Thank you...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
04/18/02 02:48 PM
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Should I ask why his female bodyguards are called FishSpeakers?
Are they significantly hulking, brutish Elemental sorts, or lower key body guards?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
04/18/02 02:55 PM
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FishSpeakers...lesbians...no...the reason for the name it can't be THAT bad.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
04/18/02 03:00 PM
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You might want to hit your local library and look through the book...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
04/18/02 03:06 PM
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I have a minor allergy to the original Dune books. Something about the writing style drives me away, even though I normally read sci-fi slavishly. So, if I can get the answers elsewhere... 
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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NathanKell
04/18/02 03:13 PM
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lol, forgot that part. Now that you mention it, though.
Oh, and the reason for using only women was something along of lines of Leto wanting a "stern but fair" army, loving the people it's to keep in line...the Golden Path, and all that.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
KamikazeJohnson
04/18/02 03:32 PM
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Yeah...Frank Herbert had a very dry style of writing...I haven't read Dune, but I read some of his other stuff...intriguing ideas behind the story, but a very tough read.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Cray
04/18/02 03:48 PM
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Oddly, I had no trouble his "White Plague." Partly because of the mix of horror of the unstoppable nature of the plague and partly because I easily imagined a reversed version of the plague that took out the other gender. Naturally, I'd be a survivor...
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
04/18/02 03:56 PM
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Female readers might not have, or at least not have put so much thought into it.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Bob_Richter
04/18/02 05:23 PM
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I read Dune. I loved it.
I tried another Dune book.
I stalled. It was impossible.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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NathanKell
04/18/02 05:44 PM
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Actually, #3 Children of Dune ain't bad.
And #2 Heretics of Dune is kinda neat with the whole blind-but-can-see bit.
But the second trilogy is just whacked.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Bob_Richter
04/18/02 05:47 PM
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I'm sorry. I Tried Heretics of Dune.
I just couldn't penetrate the cover more than a few hundredths of an inch.
Must have switched to ablative paper.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
Edited by Bob_Richter (04/18/02 05:51 PM)
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Nightmare
04/19/02 07:37 AM
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I`ve read all six, and had to buy them too
I like them. That said, I suspect Elementals are individually
more powerful than Fish Speakers. Now when it comes
to attitude... Fanatics willing to sacrifice their own lifes
for the Emperor vs fanatics hoping to die in glorious battle?
The Elementals are in for a rough time, what with being unholy
results of genetic engineering, using forbidden technology.
Advice for Evil Overlords:
My legions of terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.
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Hellbringer
04/19/02 11:06 AM
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Screw it, I STILL vote Fremen riding the Sandworm.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
04/15/07 10:46 PM
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They are from the normal books...I don't recall seeing them in the newier stuff...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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PsihoKekec
04/16/07 03:20 AM
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FishSpeakers vs Elementals
It's been few years since I last read the God emperor of Dune, but I recall few things. Fact that they can use lasers SRM's and machinguns gives Elementals the edge, as FishSpeakers do not use the shields. In close combat it's even worse as Elementals armor protects them from every form of weapon their enemies have.
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Karagin
04/16/07 05:56 AM
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Okay now take the Elementals out of their armor...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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sdog
04/16/07 07:18 AM
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No question! Fish speakers will win!
Regardless if them elementals got armour or not... there are weak spots at the joints.
oh, and the books get better and better, the first book already has the actual story of the cyclus hidden behind the obvious story. with the next book it becomes clearer.
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