Chas
02/25/03 05:10 PM
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"Nice company line."
I love it. No matterwhat anyone says to you, your only response is that it's some huge company conspiracy.
Get over it.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:13 PM
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>>>now if you wanted new fans to stay with the game having the miniatures in the box set...<<
Cardboard is cheap. Plastic is a bit more expensive.
You were freaked out about the thing costing $35. What would your reaction have been had it cost $40? $50? That's what you're talking about. Minis are NOT cheap, nor are they necessary to play the game.
Fans will stick with a game because it is FUN, not because it is PRETTY.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Chas
02/25/03 05:14 PM
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"Even if you don't buy two boosters you set get MORE for a lot less then FP is asking for 5th ED BT..."
Then go buy MWDA!
;-)
You forget, BT is INTENDED to be a pen and paper game. It's going to have a much broader rules base than DA is. And it's going to require more in the way of printed materials than DA is. And since paper and publication aren't free, it's going to cost money. Depending on the production values, it could cost a LOT of money.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Chas
02/25/03 05:16 PM
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"And so is your playing YES man to everything WK does or alllows FP to do..."
Dude, take the chip off the shoulder.
I merely disagree with you. If you can't deal with that, the problem is all yours.
As for labelling me a "Yes Man". I merely take comfort in the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
And your posting is a perfect example of that.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Chas
02/25/03 05:23 PM
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"You are so correct, I forgot that you know all there is to know and no one else can know anything."
No. I disagreed with you. There's a difference.
"Sorry but you are wrong, but given your postion it makes no difference since you will spin things to support your side and slam anyone who disagreses with you."
I'm not the one making the slams here Karagin. You're the one calling names.
And the only way you've even addressed my points is by saying "you are wrong". Yet you didn't say which point I was wrong about, or why I was wrong.
Address the issue, stop instigating.
"The point here that the price increase hurts the game"
What are they supposed to do? Give the game away?
"it pushes the new fans towards other games"
Not necessarily. It could just push them towards the older fans. Or could cause them to *GASP* socialize to collect materials.
"but the facts speak for themselves on that issue."
What "facts" Karagin. Please supply some "facts" to back up your hyperbole.
"So how about staying on topic and stop trying to turn things into a flame war or is that asking to much of you?"
Phsysician, heal thyself!
Note: I WAS on topic. I still am. Where are you?
"Oh and if you recall what I told you last time about things expect the same this time and I did send one out."
Refresh my memory. Or is this about you trying to tell me, and everyone else you happen to not agree with to just not say anything when you post here?
Sorry, ain't gonna happen. That's why it's a MESSAGE board.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:26 PM
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Just as soon as you and the others stop attacking those who speak out about things they don't like and are only doing so in the hope that TPTB will actual live up to their promise of listening...so when that happens 100% without any reservations I will then get over it...
Till then keep on spouting the company propoganda...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Chas
02/25/03 05:26 PM
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"Today it costs $25-$35."
Take a look at the D&D 3.5 edition books. $30+ each.
And the 2ndEd were $20-25 back in '89.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:27 PM
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I wasn't going to buy this boxed set.
But now I am.
Why?
Because I want FanPro to have the money to buy those expensive ads you seem to think they need.
Because I think a $35 boxed set is better than none.
Because the content described is downright intriguing. (a full-color universe book? Kick ASS!)
And because I don't want Battletech EVER to DIE, which you don't seem to care about. So keep complaining about the price, I no longer care.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:29 PM
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Maybe, but it still hurts the chances of getting new fans who are looking for inexpensive game to play...I still think they could have done it for the same price as the 4th Ed. That way they have the lower price in their favor and would possible draw folks to the game and then they could have used the extra moneys spent on the uber art work...(which I still don't see in the 5th ED) on advertistment of the Box Set and thus recouped some money as folks see that the game is alive and thus they buy it.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Chas
02/25/03 05:30 PM
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"Nothing in the box set shows that they added anything that would warrant a price increase. "
Two things.
1: We're not asking about your opinion of the materials included.
2: You're still completely ignoring the costs to produce and distribute.
"Please show us something that makes it very clear that the price increase is warrant"
Let's turn it around.
Show us something that makes it clear that it's NOT worth the price increase. Go ahead and e-mail Rob or Randall and ask them about how much it cost to produce, print, and distro the product.
"I don't see."
That's because you don't WANT to see. You're simply determined to gnaw at this until someone pushes you away.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:30 PM
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Right on Bob! You have learned your lessons well...tote the company line!
You are doing a damn good job of it...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:31 PM
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Two things:
1) When did you buy FP?
2) When did you replace Randal as LD?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Chas
02/25/03 05:33 PM
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"The only assumation around here is the one where some of us fans actually thought FP gave a damn about BT..."
Try actually talking to the people who produce the product. THEN tell me that they don't give a damn.
"and yes the price HAS BEEN jacked up."
Always gotta have the last word.
And, again, I'll clarify. YES, the price has been jacked up. For a LEGITIMATE reason. But you simply don't wanna hear that.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Chas
02/25/03 05:33 PM
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"I have contested his points"
"You are wrong" doesn't constitute a contestation.
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"High necked fashions just became the IN thing here on Tharkad."
-- Morgan Kell
-- Grave Covenant
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:34 PM
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The only chip around here is the one that seems to come up when ever anyone speaks out about things they don't like or would like to see changed in BT...funny how quick certain folks appear to attack and slam but are never around for the other 99% of the topics and such...
But hey it's just us naysayers who are causing the problems...yeah sure if you say so...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:35 PM
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I have spoken to folks who have used and own the product...so nice try friend.
And what legitmate reason would that be? Oh wait...the inflation reason...right I remember now...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:36 PM
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And your attacking folks who speak out about things they feel need changing is any better?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:37 PM
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Sorry Bob, but it's you who are out of line...you attack and run and then cry foul...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:38 PM
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Pen and Paper or not, it's still a miniatures game...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:38 PM
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disagreeing with you does not constitute making an attack, Karagin.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:40 PM
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Nice attack Bob, I would complain but then again Chas won't do anything about it...so keep at it you are doing a fine job of attacking folks who don't tow the company line and who want a better product...but hey I guess that's okay.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:40 PM
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No it isn't.
It CAN BE. There are rules to play it with miniatures, but Battletech IS NOT a miniatures game. It's a tactical game played on a hexmap. Any kind of counter will work to represent any kind of unit.
I have played Battletech for well over a decade now, and I've only ever owned the minis from the third-edition box set...oh, and a Wolfhound.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:40 PM
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Sure they do since 99% of their income is from mommy and daddy...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:42 PM
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Yeah, it is.
Your point?
Doesn't matter where the money COMES from. What matters is they HAVE it and they SPEND it.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:43 PM
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Miniature games are tactical games...or are you suggesting that all of the historical wargames are not? 
Bob miniatures can be anything you want...hence the easy of playing these can of games...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:45 PM
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Bells and whistles sell products...no bells and no whistels means that while it may be fun on Thursday by Sunday it's old and boring.
IF and let me stress that IF the 5th ED had plastic miniatures then the price that they are asking for it would be far more logical then it is right now.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:45 PM
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I've posted literally HUNDREDS of topics on this board over the years on things I would like to change about Battletech.
I get ignored. People argue with me, but I've never been ATTACKED over it.
Come to think of it, NEITHER HAVE YOU.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:46 PM
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They spend someone elses money...that is the point on that topic...
Wait tell you have kids...then you will full understand.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Bob_Richter
02/25/03 05:46 PM
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bells and whistles make the initial sale, yes. Cover art is almost the most important thing there is.
But gameplay is what keeps it interesting for more than a few days.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Karagin
02/25/03 05:47 PM
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You win, I am wrong and all is well with Battletech.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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