neven
02/10/04 01:08 AM
205.188.209.103
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ok, i want to know, what is your favourite clan, great house, periphery state and so on.
and just to kick off the discussion my favourite clan is ice hellion, the draconis combine are my favourite great house. my favourite periphery state is the illyrian palatinate. just to give some reasons i like the ice hellion for their mechs and pilots. the combine is my favourite because they respect the rules of the warrior and they have a hell of a lot of regiments and warships. the palatinate is my favourite periphery state because they are out of the way, and they are made of of traders and farmers in peaceful communities.
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Kit_fox
02/10/04 01:55 AM
129.138.30.194
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Clans in this order:
Wolf (Clan Wolf in Exile and then the regular Wolves)
Coyote
Sea Fox (no, not the sharks, Sea Fox)
I used to like Jade Falcon before the whole saKhan Chistu being a bastard incident.
Great House:
Hmmm... Probably Kutra. Or Davion.
Periphery State - Don't much care for any of em.
Mercs -
Kell Hounds
Wolf's Dragoons
Northwind Highlanders
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The RNG mugged me in a dark street, killed my dog, and cancled Christmas.
When the winds of change blow hard enough the most trivial of things can become deadly projectials.
Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.
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Karagin
02/10/04 03:54 AM
195.238.63.21
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I liked the Terran Hegmony BEFORE the Star League was formed. It was just something about how they did things.
Then House Kurtia was another of my favorites. Their history and social setting was interesting and the House book (the original) really seemed well written and gave a good accounting of them.
Then of the clans...I like the whole mystery of the Wolverines and their war with Nicolas and his view on life. Toss in the Dragoons back when they were different because of all of the mystery.
So that's who I like.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Ignorant_Savage
02/10/04 06:03 AM
24.197.176.136
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my favorites:
great house
free world's league - even though they've had their share of ups and downs like everyone else, they've always been comitted to the principles of freedom, and a democratic system. the only great house to have true democratic representation, something i like about that.
clans
star adder - even thought they are crusaders (a philosiphy i don't care for too much), they still don't walk the path of fanatics. they have a very level-headed approach to things, and their system seems to be merit-based. they include everyone in the glory of the clan, from the greatest warrior to the lowliest laborer.
periphery
marian hegnemony - victrux roma! i love the historical roman flair behind the MH. i just picked up FM: Periphery, and i really like what the new caesar is doing with the realm. looks like it's turning from just another pirate state into a real power.
mercenaries
crimson crusaders - i was reading through the FM: Mercenaries awhile ago, and for some reason, this unit really struck my fancy. although it's still short on history and not very big, i hope (if FASA actually does something with the CBT timeline) they'll become something really cool... and get a chance at taking back Domparie.
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oh, and by the way, the illyrian palatinate dosen't exsist anymore. it was conqured by the marian hegnemony. sorry about that. 
- Savage
"Those who trade away essential freedoms for a little saftey deserve neither freedom or saftey."
- Benjamin Franklin
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Shadowdancer
02/10/04 11:36 AM
24.57.59.85
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I like Clan Snow Raven. I dunno why, I just do.
Jesus built my Mad Cat.
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Silenced_Sonix
02/10/04 01:47 PM
168.209.97.34
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Clan - Smoke Jagaurs. Thye were simply just the meanest, most bad-assed of all the Clans, and I feel that FASA's choice to eliminate them from the storyline was really not necessary. Their fanatic behaviour, coupled with their ruthless and brutal efficiency, made them (at least to me) very similiar to Germany just before and during Wrold War II.
Houses - do not know them, do not care for them. ComStar is the only one who has (had) potential, but I do not think they count as a house as such.
Evolve or Die
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tgsofgc
02/10/04 05:38 PM
67.4.199.123
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I warned you with the heading...
The Clans: Well I read through FM: Crusader and Warden a bunch of times and despite the fact that I tend to play in 3025 and was never gunghoe about the invasion I have developed a very specific heiarchy of clan preferences...
Crusaders:
1. Blood Spirits - I like the isolation, I like the lack of front line machines, I like the color scheme, I like the fact that they are the only non totem clan, I like the quality of their warriors, I like their respect for true traditions (not the neotraditionalists like the falcons), I like how they maintain the ancient unit organizations complete with conventional forces.
2. Hell's Horses - I like the paint scheme, I like them as an advesary to the ghost bears, I like the emphasis on elementals and vehicles, I like the mechs they use
3. Star Adder- I like the totem, I like the concept of giant mechs/lyran style forces, I like how they use almost all omni mechs, I like how they are so huge without being part of the invasion
4. Fire Mandrils - I like the inter kindra bidding, I love the colors/paint schemes, I like the insignias, I am not too fond of some of the kindraa
5. Ice Hellions - I like the conspet of speed, I hate their impulsive/aggressive nature, I like things other than speed
6. Crusader Wolves - I love the history of Clan Wolf as the leader of the clans, I love their bloodnames and warriors, I hate Vlad, I like Phelan/Ulric/Natasha/Jaime
7. Jade Flacon - Their color sheme and isignia are pretty cool, I hate their attitudes especially all the neo traditionalist stuff
8. Smoke Jaguar - They were a bit too brutal for me, glad they got annihilated
Wardens:
1. Goliath Scorpion - I like the concept of the seekers, i like their paint schemes (especially the variety there of), I like the emphasis on defensive galaxies, I like the aerospace fighters as an antiground force, I like mobile/offensive defense, I like the artful kill, I like them as drugged out loonys
2. Ghost Bear - I like their choice of mechs, I like their move to the inner sphere, I liked their slow calculating yet iron wills, I like leviathan class transports
3. Coyotes - I like their history, I like the idea of a scientist clan, I like their insignia
4. Diamond Shark - I like the cooperation between castes, I like their liberal stance on clan traditions, I like their merchantile emphasis, I like their key role in clan history, I like how no other clans really like them, I dislike them for the same reason I dislike the Lyrans
5. Steel Vipers - I like the cannon/cruddy omnimechs they have, I like their design philosphies, I like their scewed conception of the Warden cause.
6. Warden Wolves - I like their perseverance, and I really like most of the associated personalities
7. Snow Ravens - At least they aren't the Cloud Cobras
8. Cloud Cobras - Boring forces, don't like the whole religous thing, the Wobblie clan
Overall Top 5:
1. Blood Spirits
2. Goliath Scorpion
3. Ghost Bear
4. Coyote
5. Tie Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
The Great Houses: This is particularly boring and predictable.
1. Kurita - Emphasis on Light Mechs, Color Schemes, Japanese Influence, Bushido
2. Davion - Emphasis on Jumping AC machines, The good guys, NAIS
3. Marik - Orions, Democracy, They did harbor Wob though
4. Steiner - Big Mechs, Big Industry, more merchantile than military, poor leadership/generals
5. Liao - Assasinations, Dictatorship, propaganda, dumb mechs, super cheese stealth armor
Merc units:
1. Ace Darwin's Whipits - Whats not to like?
2. Battle Magic - Its all about the techs...
3. Rubinsky's Renegades - Not only a cool logo but a preference for brawling
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Grizzly
02/10/04 06:21 PM
12.108.119.227
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IS Houses: Davion and Kurita: I like the Davion preference for autocannons and mechs. I also like the fact that they are the "good" guys who sometimes do bad things. I like the Bushido/honor of the Kuritas. I especially like the classic struggle between the two. The rights of the individual (Davion) vs. the good of the whole (Kurita). I also like the St. Ives Compact, while it existed.
Clans: Wolves in Exile, whats not to like. They have the best characters, and they really want to protect the innner sphere, not just conquer it. Ghost Bears, again whats not to like. They are slow to anger, but once aroused, they drop the hammer on you. Blood Spirits, they hold true to their ideals, no matter what the odds. Wolverines, they didn't kow tow to the "new" line and were persecuted. They probably were the most like what the SLDF was supposed to be.
Mercs: I have always had a soft spot for Snords Irregulars. There quirks and desire to preserve the history of the Star League is what makes them cool. I also like the 21st Centauri Lancers and Eridani Light Horse because of their belief in the traditions of the Star League.
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Nightward
02/10/04 07:05 PM
211.26.65.160
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My favourite Clan was the old Wolves, before the Refusal War. The Wolf Clan, under the leadership of Khan Ulric Kerensky, was the only Clan to grant its captured citizens any forms of free rights, and the Wolf Clan Touman set the standard of "suceeding against the odds".
When Clan Wolftook Rasalhague, defended by 7 of Rasalhague's finest 'Mech Battalions, with another Militia regiment in reserve, supported by the FRR's best AeroSpace units and twenty regiments of conventional infantry and vehicles, the Cutdown for the Bid was determined to be five full Clusters with attached and additional WarShip and Fighter support. It was believed that the campaign to root out and destroy the Rasalhague troops could take up to six full months.
Facing off against the Ghost Bears for the right to take the planet, the Bears realised Clan Wolf wanted Rasalhague at any cost, and elected to push the Bid down as far as they could in the hopes of shaming the Wolves. Clan Wolf's final Bid was just thre Clusters. Ulric created a plan that called for the Wolves to emerge victorious in just four weeks. It took the Wolf Clan just seventeen days to bring the defending forces to their knees and claim the heart of the Free Rasalhague Republic.
When the Wolf Clan fought on Tukayyid, they were put into battle against Anastasius Focht's most elite units- the entirety of the Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh Armies. Despite facing the heaviest and most skilled opposition deployed on Tukayyid, Clan Wolf was the only Clan to emerge victorious by claimimng both objectives, but also left Tukayyid with just 20% KIA and 15% WIA.
Clan Wolf was, quite simply, TEH PWN.
After the Refusal War, however, the Clan schismed. Before, the Wolf Clan had been balanced, with the wisdom of the Wardens tempering the fury of the Crusaders. Now both sides existed without balance. Neither appealed to me any more.
And so, the fates conspired and I picked up a copy of FM: Draconis Combine. Though it languished on my bedroom floor for months, I eventually got aropund to reading it. The Akuma...the Kanazuchi...the Alshain Avaengers...I was hooked. The Wolf Clan became a distant memory as I scrambled to serve the Dragon.
For Mercs, I'm a big fan of Jeremiah Rose and his Black Thorns, though after reading "Impetus of War", Loren Jaffray's Northwind Hussars seem pretty interesting as well.
For the Periphery, I liked the Pirates of Star's End. Despite being mauled by the Ghost Bears, the Pirates fought on and mounted a moderately sucessful Guerilla War against them. Nowadays, I kinda like the Marian Hegemony. "Pax Romana? We'll give them *PAX ROMANA*!"
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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neven
02/11/04 12:39 AM
24.69.255.205
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ok, lets add some more to this post...
which great house or clan etc. do you think is best?
decide, argue, have fun!
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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tgsofgc
02/12/04 01:58 AM
67.4.198.39
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Quote:
do you think is best?
Define "Best"?
Edited by tgsofgc (02/12/04 02:05 AM)
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neven
02/13/04 01:30 AM
152.163.253.5
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what i mean is, what "empire" do you think is better, bigger, more powerful, bolder, etc.
get the point? 
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Silpheed
02/13/04 01:38 AM
24.158.215.75
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Well, I think one of the major points of Battletech is that there is no "best". In terms of power, everyone has been at a stalemate since the First Succesion War, except maybe the Federated Commonwealth for a very brief period.
"War is nothing but a duel on an extensive scale." - Clausewitz
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Thor_Mech
02/20/04 12:20 AM
205.187.181.101
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Lets see...
Favorite Clan: Clan Wolf before the split. As previously stated, they did some pretty sweet things. Also, Phelen Wolf took Gunzburg by himself. THAT is sweet. Without a shot being fired too.
Favorite House: Davion. Definately Davion. They have that entire medieval knight/champion thing. My favorite time was during the initial Clan Invasion, because Hanse Davion is cool, but Justin Allard is the best.
Favorite Periphery State: I dunno... they aren't super well known.
Favorite Merc Group: Wolf's Dragoons. Natasha Kerensky and the Black Widow Company are sweet. Also, five full regiments! I like the book Wolves on the Border, where the Dragoons rip the Galedon district of the Draconis Combine to shreds. Especially destroying the Sword of Light regiment on Misery.
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Toontje
02/20/04 05:02 AM
217.123.31.80
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CC is morally superiour to any other faction albeit a bit weaker physically. No discussion possible about that.
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
02/20/04 12:06 PM
199.239.45.2
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Whatever, they lost the 4th war
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Toontje
02/21/04 04:48 AM
217.123.31.80
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And won back almost everything (work in progress) afterward, wereas the cause of loss was too busy bickering. To climb back up from a pit, or fall from a pillar, now who is the winner in the end, hmm?
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
02/21/04 11:26 AM
205.187.191.11
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Hey, like the CapCon if you want, but what's better, to have achieved greatness (FedCom) or always being considered the low end of the totem poll?
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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cmryan
02/22/04 01:16 AM
4.12.82.110
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My favorite Clan: Clan Wolf before the Jade Falcons killed Ulric Kerensky next favorite Clan Snow Raven. My favorite Great House House Davion. Favorite mercenary regiment The Gray Death Legion.
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tgsofgc
02/23/04 01:28 AM
67.4.193.243
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The recent turn in the Cap Con is due to deus ex machina (I think I got that right). Anyways the thing is this, they were always the inner spheres losers, and evil. So when we flip battletech on its head trying to reinvent it what is the first things we do, we screw with all the most developed issues in the storyline. Say the Fedcom... which goes back to the original TRO in a way, is dissolved because someone can basicallly convince a people recovering from a war under the funding and guidance of a foreign power that that power is EVIL, then successfully take over the rememnant fedcom whith barely a word. Or the cap con notorious for assasin squads and a huge military for internal security just says "come home" and tons of units come back and join up. Personally most of the new storylines (read as 3058+) reak of overt melodrama to me. Before that we had factions that represented archetypes, and were then further fleshed out in novels that a % of us read (not including myself). Since 3050, and more specifically since 3058+, things have not only broken down they take plot twists simply for the sake of plot twists. It comes off like a soap opera to me... Jack married Jill, then we discovered Jill is a Clone of Diana, who is in prison and next episode we reveal that Diana was actually falsely accused and the clone was made against her will.
[End Rant, resume sleeping]
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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neven
02/23/04 02:08 AM
152.163.253.5
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Jack and jill, hmm
i hate the capcon, they are inferior even to the frr, and they suck.
i think the fedsun are the most powerful great house.
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Toontje
02/23/04 09:23 AM
217.123.31.80
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Haha, if you like fedsuns, then of cause you don't like the Capellan Confederation. We spanked your buttocks after all.
But if there is a deux ex machina, then it's Katty. Altrough with the history of the IS, it's not a real problem to justify it all. The survival of the henchman of Victor whatshisname, after the bombing of his mother. A giant Space Soap Opera, that's it all! The first part of history was already figured out, before the publication. Arrival of the clans was on it's way, after all, even in the unrevised 3025 there is al LOT of mentioning of wolfs dragoons and Kerensky. Guess with player comments the story was further unfolded, that's the sudden sway in CC society from more or less USSR/China to more liberal attitudes. The FS-LC merger was doomed from the start, as long-term there is more story in 5 seperate entities than FC against the rest o/t known world. Same with IS vs. Clan.
Now back to advocating the noble CC cause...
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
02/23/04 09:45 AM
199.239.45.2
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Spanked the FedCom? Remember, those worlds you won were YOUR OWN WORLDS LOST DURING THE 4TH WAR!
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Toontje
02/23/04 10:15 AM
217.123.31.80
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Yes, and it shows a lot of lack of tenacity to be unable to keep them, no? Taking worlds is one thing, but keeping them is another.
And we're not spanking the fedcom, we're spanking the fedsuns atm. Federated comonwealth was just another jacket, but still the people who were there were FS miltary. With the liberation of the Lyran people, the jacket has become bloodstained. (Note: I still need to borrow the FC civil war, so my info is only up to 3062. Funding limits stopped me there for now.)
Tthe decades just prior to the 4th SW were the military weakest in Copellan Confederation history, and yet, the mighty fox was unable to take all. Oh, he tried, but his wedding gift was a lot of bombastic words, but living up to it, no, he could not.
Rather to blow up, then.
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neven
02/23/04 01:42 PM
142.22.48.13
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ppsh
the fedsuns is the best, they kick ass!
any other dudes suck compared to the suns.
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Thor_Mech
02/25/04 07:15 PM
205.187.178.206
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Right... he only created the strongest house in the IS and stripped the CapCom of half of its worlds, including the Tikonov region which is a majo mech-producer.
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Nightward
02/25/04 11:59 PM
132.234.251.211
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Uh. You mean the morons who fought a massive civil war, were led by idiotic propaganda, and who (not so incoincidentally) have always been the author's favourite House to work with?
The problem is that the FedSuns only /*LOOKS*/ the best. The DCMS could stomp them into the ground.
I really pity the FWLM. The only time they get any attention at all is when they are mentioned as a footnote. "Oh, BTW, you hear what happened on Atreus?" "No. And I really don't care."
All the Houses should be equal. Otherwise, you get insane situations like the Xin Sheng movement, the FedCom Civil War, and the WoB Jihad after they realise how unbalanced things have become.
Rather like the Wolf/Jade Falcon war, the fall of the Smoke Jaguars, ad infinatum.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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neven
02/26/04 01:54 AM
205.188.209.103
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ok, the capcom fought a war with st. ives compact, and both sides lost big time.
and the dcms is just a bunch of wussies recruited and "trained" so they could fight off a wallflower that "threatens" the DC.
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Grizzly
02/26/04 04:02 PM
12.108.119.227
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Which wallflower would that be... The AFFS or the Ghost Bears? Last time I checked the Ghost Bears had the largest Touman among the clans, and while the AFFS maybe a formidible millitary force, they are a shell of their former selves due to losses incurred during the civil war. It's going to take them years to rebuild their numbers and level of experience. And as far as the Capcon civil war, they have for the most part rebuilt their millitary. There are still some growing pains with the integration of the CCAF and the SIMC, but I would have to say that overall the CCAF is stronger now, than it has been in years (due in part to the end of the Capcon civil war, new technology aka shadow lances, and the alliance with the Magistracy of Canopus).
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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tgsofgc
02/26/04 05:30 PM
67.4.199.83
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Whole heartedly agree, and in many ways this is what I was trying to say. Granted I fully advocate keeping the flavors of the houses. Afterall the Fed suns were the "good guys" that started all the succession wars... and the Lyrans were the big mech producers that never grasped the concept of why lining up 20 100 ton behemoths doesn't win every battle. (note examples)
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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neven
02/27/04 01:15 AM
152.163.253.5
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ghost bears do have a massive touman, but they left the clan cluster and sttled in the occupation zone.
the dcms spent most of their time fighting pirates that have even the slightest resistnace.
but the combine is an unstable house, do you remember how many rebellions there were?
i still think the federated suns is the best, especially their davion heavy guards, but most of them were destroyed by the end of the fedcom civil war.
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Nightward
02/27/04 03:42 AM
211.26.65.122
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What in God's name are you on, neven?
Have you /*READ*/ any of the Field Manuals? Or are you just going by the novels. Oh, no, wait...it's the computer games, right?
Listen to me here: /*THE COMPUTER GAMES HAVE ONLY A NODDING ACQUANITANCE WITH BATTLETECH*/.
Got it?
The Draconis Combine was the spearhead of Operation Bulldog. They almost conquered the Lyran Alliance at one point, but gave up and went home to find someone tougher to beat down. They almost conquered the Federated Suns once as well.
They fought the Clans off /*BETTER THAN ANY OTHER SUCESSOR HOUSE*/
They /*FIELDED THE FIRST GENERATION OF INNER SPHERE OMNIMECHS*/
They have the /*GREATEST AMOUNT OF CLAN SALVBAGE FIELDED BY THE INNER SPHERE.*/
Last, but certainly not the least, they have units like the Night Stalkers, Izanagi Warriors, Otomo, Ryuken, Sword of Light, and Ghost Regiments.
Pussies? I think not.
And what the hell "Pirates" are you talking about? The Combine has /*NO*/ Periphery pirate neighbours. The Clans killed them all.
The Combine is /*NOT*/ a "weak" House.
There aren't "lots" of rebellions. There was the Black Dragon Society, and there was the Omi Incident, but /*BOTH WERE ISOLATED INCIDENTS AND WERE CRUSHED, NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT, BUT BY REGULAR COMBINE CITIZENS*/.
The Combine has the best military in the Inner Sphere.
Unquestionably.
The FedSuns have more troops. The Lyran Alliance builds bigger 'Mechs. The CapCon are more fanatical. The FWLM has more vqariety. The Com Guard have the best equipment.
/*BUT COMBINE WARRIORS ARE BETTER TRAINED AND MOTIVATED THAN THEM ALL.*/
Next time, before opening your mouth and voicing more idiotic ideas, sit down, think, and do some bloody research, neven.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Toontje
02/27/04 06:31 AM
217.123.31.80
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Quote:
ok, the capcom fought a war with st. ives compact, and both sides lost big time.
and the dcms is just a bunch of wussies recruited and "trained" so they could fight off a wallflower that "threatens" the DC.
I see you chose not to mention the FedCom Civil War. Smart, since that would undo the arguement of the Capellan Confederation having a civil war in recent history, but the FC had theirs in a bit more recent time. While the CCAF had time to rebuild and recuperate, is the AFFS bloodied, fatigued and not in the mood for a fight. Besides, the CC civil war resulted in the unification of longlost brethern. The result was we came out for the better, whereas The Empire Formerly Known As The Federated Commonwealth came out the worse for the wear.
I presume we're talking 3067-ish btw.
Rather to blow up, then.
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HardKorHippy
03/02/04 09:03 PM
65.145.212.147
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Clan: Ghost Bear, Nova Cat, Snow Raven (in that order)
House: Davion, Steiner, screw all the rest!
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neven
03/03/04 03:13 AM
205.188.209.103
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i know about the civil war, and they did fight and lost many men.
but the combine have troopse like the DCMS and the Amphigean light assault, maybe the dc fought a lot, but they also lost many mechs, and are plagued by rebllions all over draconis space, not to mention pirate raids, the assault on luthien (which many mech regiments were lost) and their successful victory on wolcott would have been unsuccessful if dietr osis could have had a genetically engineered brain, but the clans just chose to dig one up.
the dc are lying scumbags that have managed to "win" some major victories, and in operation bulldog, the Davion guards leveled most of the smoke jaguar forces.
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Toontje
03/03/04 06:22 AM
217.123.31.80
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Well, what you're refering to is ~15 years in the past from the current storyline, 3067.
That would be the same as claiming the late victory of the AFFS on Kentares prepared the DCMS for a strikedown, while it happened ~250 years before the current storyline.
That would be similar to me claiming the undisputed Capellan humanity as depicted in the formation of the 2412 Ares conventions.
Due to all the people around, it's more or less convention to use current day storyline, as every nation has had it's ups and downs. Currently for LA and FS players that's too bad, the wheel of fate has turned and they're square on the downward side. Untill the timeline of mwda, it'll stay down. After that I'm unsure.
Rather to blow up, then.
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Nightward
03/03/04 04:37 PM
132.234.251.211
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neven, you are a FRICKIN' MORON .
The tactic used by the Combine was exactly the same as that used by the AFFC. The AFFC identified units like the Kell Hounds, Gray Death Legion, and Eridani Light Horse by their Mercenary Review Board registration numbers.
Admittedly there were two differences:
The DCMS honoured the Clan bidding system and sent the Clans the "new" unit's personnel dossiers. Deiter Osis got as far as "newly formed unit" and decided he could lay the smackdown on the "ignorant savages". The AFFC didn't send the Clans a bloody thing aside from the MRB ID numbers, which the Clans had no way of following up on.
Difference two is the fact that THE DCMS WON. The AFFC lost every single time.
Again, the Combine has elite units like the Otomo, Izanagi Warriors, the Genyosha, the Ryuken, the Sword of Light, the District of Dieron Regulars, the Proserpina Hussars, the Night Stalkers, and the Ghost Regiments.
Even "lesser" units like the District of Galedon and Benjamin Regulars, the Legions of Vega, and the Amphigean Light Assault Group are very dangerous, especially compared to what their neighbours have.
Go read FM: DC. It has a little section called "The Tagiri-Prosser Study" which specifically states that the Combine has the best trained warriors in the Inner Sphere. I think it's little coincidence that the two premier MechWarrior training sites in the Inner Sphere- the Wisdom of the Dragon and the Sun Zhang MechWarrior Academy - are both in DCMS space.
Add to that training academies like The University of Proserpina, the Sun Tzu School of Combat, hell- even the Galedon District Academy- and it's no wonder the DCMS has the very best.
And that's without mentioning programs like Kensai Kami.
The Combine has traditionally fielded a lightweight, fast military. The AFFC fields primarily heavies and assualts. The Combine faced the Smoke Jaguars, the most lethal of the Clans save the Wolf, who were neatly corralled between the Falcon and the Bear. The AFFC faced the Falcons, and occasionally the Wolves. Who got mauled worse?
The AFFC.
Fact.
You refer to the Davion Heavy Guard in the Operation Bulldog sentance. The Davion Guard fought in a handful of OB battles. The SLDF troops in the Combine were merely acting as backup to the Combine forces, who did most of the dirty work. Go read "Grave Covenant", by Michael Stackpole. It makes this point. How you get "they beat most of the Jaguars" from the fact that the Davion Guard and Reventants fought a few times during OB is beyond me.
I don't know where in the hell you're pulling this "rebellion" garbage from, but it's not true. There was the Black Dragon Society and the attempt on Omi Kurita's life. Both, however, were put down by the Draconis Combine's civilians, not the DCMS. Compare and contrast to policy from the Victor Ian Steiner-Davion and Katherine Steiner:
- Hide the fact that Thomas Marik's son has died by inserting body double.
- Murder own mother to usurp throne.
- Allow assassin to go free in exchange for killing Ryan Steiner later on.
- Allow Ryan Steiner to operate unhindered because it would be bad publicity to smack him down.
- Murder brother's wife to get at him.
So if you want to argue policy decisions, I think it's safe to say the Federated Commonwealth has made some pretty major blunders as well.
As for Pirates...againb, what Pirates? There *ARE* no Pirates. The Pirates got smacked down by the Clans, and before that, were merrily preying on the much easier target of the Free Rasalhague Republic.
neven, you have NO FACTS to back up your PREPOSTEROUS CLAIMS . This might pass as logic in your own head, but your arguments CANNOT STAND UP. I suggest you go away and do some reading before you make baseless, stupid, and inflammatory claims again. Do it for your own sake.
Finally, you started this thread so people could say who their favourites were and why. Yet now, you flame down anyone who disagrees. Get some Netiquette and I might even read your future posts.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Toontje
03/03/04 04:52 PM
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Finally, you started this thread so people could say who their favourites were and why. Yet now, you flame down anyone who disagrees. Get some Netiquette and I might even read your future posts.
How true, some tempering may be in order. On the note of pirates, there are a few, however they plague the AFFS most of all the successor states IIRC. The Smitson Chinese Bandits iirc are the new Tortuga pirates. With all the FS commitments in former occupied Capellan territories and civil war, the back is left vulnerable and exposed.
Who can resist a free lunch, hmm?
Rather to blow up, then.
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neven
03/03/04 10:51 PM
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oh please nightward,
you say *I am flaming* well, speak for yourself, don't call me a moron, don't even call me anthing that i don't like.
but there is ONE thing that i will say, cut the crap, the dcms "may" be one of the most powerful military forces in the inner sphere, but the fedcom do have a LOAD of warships, jumpships etc.
and their forces are the most loyal, (except the arcturan guards, those bastards)
out of all this, comes chatter that sounds like it was born out of an ass.
so i change my statement, the Comstar and WoB have better forces, come on,
mech "divisions" do you know how many mechs that is?
and their fleet, HUGE, they have cameron class, essex class, etc.
they have well trained mechwarriors, heavily armed ships, good loyalty to all the successor and minor states, and have defeated te clans, on tukayyid and on task force serpent,
the fedsuns may have had their time in the light, but comstar are the military dominion.
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Nightward
03/04/04 02:10 AM
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*Sigh*
The Cameron and Essex Class WarShips are both pathetic. The Cameron was classed as a very costly failure. See p. 156-157, TR: 3057. The Essex isn't much better.
However, yes. The Com Guard are frickin' AWESOME. Thankfully they're too far spread out to do anything
The Combine's troops are actually the most loyal of any major House. Bushido and all that, y'know. It's been bred into the DCMS MechWarrior families. Honour and loyalty are so deeply ingrained in Draconis Combine citizens that even the career criminals- the Yakuza- hear its call.
Amply demonstrated, I believe, in the admirable (if not readily understandable) willingness of DCMS troops to mount berzerker charges at the slightest provocation, no matter who the opponent. As well as the fact that the DCMS has fewer units rated as "Unreliable" than any other FM I've ever seen.
And to finish up: the DCMS began the second ship-building program in the Inner Sphere. House Marik has the most WarShips, followed by the Com Guard, then the DCMS. The Federated Suns and Lyran Commonwealth only JUST beat the Word of Blake and Capellan Confederation for title of "Least WarShips in Space by any Major Power".
The Com Guard, as of 3060, fielded a fleet of 34 vessels. These were leftovers from the SLDF; by contrast, the DCMS had kicked in its own shipbuilding program during the mid-to-late 3050s and had a navy of 15 with about 10 more soon to enter service in 3058. I think we know who's got the better naval program happening there 
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Toontje
03/04/04 04:49 AM
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The Combine's troops are actually the most loyal of any major House. Bushido and all that, y'know. It's been bred into the DCMS MechWarrior families. Honour and loyalty are so deeply ingrained in Draconis Combine citizens that even the career criminals- the Yakuza- hear its call.
I disagree, aside from the former SIC troops, House Liao inspires most loyalty. With the help of the MOC we'll take back what was ours. All 407 planets that have had capellan blood spilled over then defending the very soil!
Xin Sheng!
St. Ives yesterday, Tikonov tomorrow!
PS 407 = IIRC
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
03/04/04 10:30 PM
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Hmmm... I don't know. The Warrior Houses are fanatic, but the loyal planets seem to be the ones close to Sian. Tikonov and St. Ives both seceded during the 4th war, and several planets refuse to join the CapCon again after the FedCom lost them, hence the formation of the Chaos March. As for previous statements that the FedCom couldn't beat the Clans, the FedCom defeated the Falcon Guards on Twycross. Also, while the Draconis Combine MIGHT have better warriors man for man, the FedCom has the hotter tech, like AP and homing AC rounds and other nice stuff due to the NAIS, the best reseach facility in the IS.
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Nightward
03/05/04 04:44 AM
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Weeelll.....
Actually, Kai Allard-Liao beat the Falcon Guard on Twycross.
And that was after he lured the entire Cluster into the Great Gash, conviniently pre-seeded with a minefield. Then he triggered the self-destruct sequence in his Hatchetman and watched the fireworks.
It was a feat of truly inspired stupidity. On both sides 
I'm fully with you on the NAIS. As I mentioned before, it is, quite frankly, TEH PWN of tech research in the Inner Sphere- aside, I suppose, from whatever the hell anti-reality machine the Wobblies appear to have manufactured for their little Jihad
I flipped through both the FM: CC and FM: DCMS. The CC had more units rated at Reliable and Questionable for the CCAF's size than the DCMS. The CCAF, in fact, had similar loyalty ratings to the Com Guard, and we all know what's happening there...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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neven
03/05/04 11:42 AM
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huh?
what are you talking about, the federated suns have 56 warships, and the lyrans have practically the equivalent.
the comguards are spread out, but the rock the kazba.
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Grizzly
03/05/04 04:49 PM
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Uh, sorry to say, but they don't have 56 ships. They only have 21 ships circa 3065. And the Lyran Alliance has 8 circa 3067. I'm not sure how how many the DCMS, or FWL has, but CCAF has about 8, Comstar 34, and WOB has 6(but who knows how many they have acquired). Even before the civil war neither the AFFS or LAAF had 56 total warhsips. The FWL has one of the most aggressive ship building programs, followed by the DCMS. The AFFS had two new designs, the Fox Class corvette and the Avalon Class cruiser, while the LAAF had the Ygdrassil Cruiser.
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Grizzly
03/06/04 04:35 AM
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Oops, sorry, Mjolnir Class Battlecruiser, not Yggdrassil. That is a ship of the class, not the class itself. 
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Nightward
03/06/04 05:21 PM
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*Shrug*
At least you know what you're talking about, which makes a welcome change
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
03/06/04 07:55 PM
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They fought the Clans off /*BETTER THAN ANY OTHER SUCESSOR HOUSE*/
They /*FIELDED THE FIRST GENERATION OF INNER SPHERE OMNIMECHS*/
yeah but at the battle of luthien, if the FCMS hadnt sent in the kell hounds or wolfs dragoons to help out the DCMS, dont u think Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Nova Cat would've defeated them? that loss would be a a kick to the nuts to the honor and moral of the DCMS. And the Dracs and fedcom worked TOGETHER to develop the omnimechs that they started to field first (didnt they? thought i read that but im not completely positive)
but yeah i think dcms have best troops, clans have better though and that only helped them so much.
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neven
03/07/04 02:15 AM
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that too, and there were 10 regiments of battlemechs, vehicles and aerofighters on the battle of luthien. but the free rasalhaugue republic (which doesn't exist anymore, it was conquered by ghost bears around 3130) before the clan invasion the frr had 64 reinforced mech regiments, 42 vehicle regiments, and 35 aerofighter regiments, and a crapload of infantry.
but, later on, they all got slaughtered in a matter of 3 years.
though, yes, the fwl has a load of ships, but they expended a lot of resources building them.
and i do agree, the combine is an excellently armed successor state, but it isn't popular with its civillians, causing rebellions all over their territory, and one historic rebellion that formed the frr.
and just a question, how the hell is "Luthien" pronounced, is it "lutheen" or "luthiyen"
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Grizzly
03/07/04 05:27 AM
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I don't know if it is correct or not, but I pronounce it "Lou The In".
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Grizzly
03/07/04 05:31 AM
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I do try to keep my facts straight, which is why I am some what of a lurker from time to time. I only want to say something when I know what I'm talking about.
"Tis better to be thought a fool, then speak and remove all doubt"
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Paladin
03/07/04 06:54 PM
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I was always under the impression that, in the BattleTech universe as orginally envisioned (back in the day when "now" was 3025) that no one Successor State was supposed to be "better". Just look at the history of the Inner Sphere: the DCMS hammered the Suns during the 1st War, then the Suns comes back around and kicks them out. During the 2nd and 3rd Wars the Suns, the Combine, the Lyrans and the FWL beat on each other for 300 years. Even the Capellans managed a couple moments of glory. Then around comes the 4th War: the F-C whoops the Combine. Fast-forward to the War of 3039: the Combine, lead by Theodore Kurita and aided by the Com Guard, whoops the F-C. Overall, every single Clan and Great House, plus ComStar and the WoB, each have a role to play in the balance of power that makes up the Inner Sphere. So I don't think any one should be called intrinsically "better" within the ideal of the original universe. Look at Earth's real history: Spain conquered most of America only to have its empire collapse. Spain then gave way to England. England in turn endured until the late 1900's when it, too, lost its empire. Every nation in the Inner Sphere rises and falls in turn.
For the record, my favourite Clan is the Ghost Bears, my favourite Successor State is the Federated Suns. I don't have a favourite Periphery state, but my favourite merc unit is the Blue Star Irregulars.
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HardKorHippy
03/07/04 08:28 PM
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Anyone else find it wierd how ya can't spell Luthien in Japanese?
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Nightward
03/07/04 09:29 PM
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"that too, and there were 10 regiments of battlemechs, vehicles and aerofighters on the battle of luthien. but the free rasalhaugue republic (which doesn't exist anymore, it was conquered by ghost bears around 3130) before the clan invasion the frr had 64 reinforced mech regiments, 42 vehicle regiments, and 35 aerofighter regiments, and a crapload of infantry."
Eh? Where the hell are you whipping these numbers from?
p. 51, The 20 Year Update , says that the Free Rasalhague Republic's Royal Kungsarme was 16 Regiments, 2 Battalions.
Furthermore, either provide a source to back up your preposterous claims of "rebellion" in the Draconis Combine, or find something else to compain about. I've already talked about the only two rebellions in recent history.
You want rebellion? Check out what happened on Solaris 7. Kentares IV. The Lyon's Thumb. The Tamar Pact. I could go on, but hopefully, you're getting the picture.
Just because you don't understand how another culture works, doesn't mean that it cannot work.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Nightward
03/07/04 09:39 PM
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The Battle of Luthien would have been too close to call without the arrival of the Kell Hounds and Wolf Dragoons.
Whoever won would have suffered appalling casualties. Given what happened with Alshain, however, I rather suspect it probably would have whipped the DCMS into a genocidal fury.
Then, too, the Nova Cats and Smocke Jaguars would probably have gone to war over who got to keep the Black Pearl.
It could have been interesting
As for the Omnis, nope. The Raptor was the first Omni to hit the field, followed up in weight classes by the other Omnis. The Sucessor Houses got their hands on cheap, knock-off Omnis that couldn't accept Clan weaponry (TR: 3058). House Marik's Perseus was the first OmniMech to originate from outside Draconis Combine space.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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neven
03/07/04 10:35 PM
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Hmm, i pronounce it, lou-thee-en, oh well, anything else to say?
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JStallion
03/08/04 07:58 PM
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yeah ashlain whipped them into a fury, but look how well they did at ashlain, got decimated.
i know one of their regiments didnt make it though because of the nova cats discovering the plot and fighting that regiment. even still, the smoke jaguars or nova cats, whoever would end up keeping it would probably turn it into the forward base of operations as the ghost bears did with ashlain, makes most sense. then it would be heavily defended, as was ashlain and retaking it would cost the DCMS a ton even if they won
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JStallion
03/08/04 08:01 PM
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loo-thee-in here, but thats just me
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neven
03/12/04 03:32 AM
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what in the depths of hell are you talking about nightward? You think i'm racist?
sorry for the harsh comment, but you can take that though and shove it.
oh, and heres some info on the combine, its a little outdated, but its still good, and for the record, the combine has around 180 mech regiments alone
Origins and History
The Draconis Combine was founded in 2319 by Shiro Kurita, who used persuasive statesmanship, treachery, and bloody military conquest to forge it almost from nothing.
Raised in a military and social tradition dating back more than six centuries, Shiro embraced and embodied the "way of the warrior." Through the forcefulness of his personality, he first managed to become leader of New Samarkand and then went on to form a group of petty kings and lords into the New Galendon Alliance. This Alliance, created to oppose the great Ozawa Mercantile alliance, was his starting point for the military conquest of dozens more planets. By 2319, Shiro Kurita, with his brother Urizen as Warlord, controlled a domain stretching from the border of the Federated Suns to the Principality of Rasalhague, a realm he renamed the Draconis Combine.
The most obvious legacy of Shiro Kurita is the Kurita family dynasty. The Draconis Combine could not have summoned such single-minded devotion from its people without the focus of the Kurita leadership. Only the existence of an all-powerful Coordinator has been able to mobilize such often-fanatic military determination from its troops.
More than in any Successor State, the history of the Draconis Combine has a continuous tone and theme to it. The names may change, the tactics and internal organization may change, but the Kurita dynasty continues to covet universal domination just as its founder did some 700 years ago.
Shiro Kurita's legacy continues to this day, in both the devotion to the way of the warrior and in the belief that House Kurita will one day reign over all inhabited space. The Draconis Combine's combination of an all-pervasive military tradition and a self-reliance easily mistaken for xenophobia contributes to the constant belligerence of past and present Kurita leaders. Only on rare occasions have they set aside their dominant tendencies toward violence, arrogance, and ruthlessness in favor of alliance or cooperation. However, the next generation usually made up for it by redoubling its martial nature. The two most outstanding examples of this were Hehiro and Minoru Kurita.
Hehiro engaged in a rare display of trust when he signed the Treaty of Vega in 2569, setting forth the terms of the Draconis Combine's membership in the nascent Star League. His son Leonard, who succeeded him in 2591, very nearly undid this act through flagrant violations of his father's treaty with Ian Cameron. After Kerensky's exodus from the Inner Sphere, Minoru Kurita proclaimed himself First Lord of the Star League and began to plan and execute a massive attack against the Federated Suns. The campaign was going well for the Kuritans until a sniper shot Minoru Kurita in the back on Kentares IV. Following Minoru's assassination, his psychotic son Jinjiro massacred 50 million civilians on that world. The Kentares Massacre was an act that not only destroyed the momentum gained in the war against Davion, but also contributed to the alienation between Houses Steiner and Kurita, which Jinjiro allowed to flourish.
Until Rasalhague became independent in 3034, the Draconis Combine had expanded to the border of the Lyran Commonwealth, absorbing lesser states along the way. For 20 years the Free Rasalhague Republic served as a buffer between those two Great Houses, with only a small portion of Kurita space bordering the Lyran portion of the Federated Commonwealth. Now the Clan wedge serves to keep most of these two realms separate.
At present, the Combine consists of approximately 75 worlds. In 2617, the coreward world of Luthien replaced New Samarkand as the administrative capital, but Shiro Kurita's homeworld continues to play an active role. For example, House Kurita draws its palace guards and elite MechWarriors from the famous Sun Zhang Academy, the largest MechWarrior academy in the Inner Sphere. Furthermore, New Samarkand is the traditional base of operations for the Internal Security Force, the secret police of the Draconis Combine. The relationship between the Coordinator of the Combine and the Director of the ISF has varied, waxing and waning in cordiality through the years. Nevertheless, the ISF has remained utterly loyal to the Combine, if not to the House that rules it.
Though the Draconis Combine lost more than 50 worlds in the Fourth Succession War, this same conflict saw the brilliant rise of Theodore Kurita, heir to the Combine throne. His unconventional tactics were so successful that he earned the support and confidence of much of the Combine's military. Despite the power struggle this created between Theodore and Takashi, the Coordinator was almost forced to name his son Deputy of Military Affairs in 3030. Theodore took this opportunity to reshape the Combine's military to his own views. It was Theodore who masterminded the strategy that successfully resisted the Federated Commonwealth's massive invasion of the Combine in the War of 3039.
Theodore also saw the wisdom of recognizing the Free Rasalhague Republic when its former Rasalhague Military District declared its independence from the Combine. The Free Rasalhague Republic created a buffer state between the Combine and the Lyran Commonwealth, freeing up Combine troops for assignment on other borders.
Though Takashi and his son were often in disagreement during these crucial years, Theodore's successes and support among the military were undeniable. Some old-liners still oppose Theodore's methods and innovations, but the Coordinator seems to have made his peace with his son ever since Theodore's relative successes against the Clans in the recent invasion.
3050 Update
[Prepared by Justin Allard, Intelligence Secretary of the Federated Commonwealth.]
The most significant events occurring in the Draconis Combine since the Fourth Succession War are the rise of Theodore Kurita, the secession of Rasalhague, and the War of 3039, in which Federated Commonwealth forces attempted to recapture worlds lost to House Kurita in the Fourth War. Though Federated Commonwealth commanders expected to easily defeat the Combine forces, the Kuritans surprised us with the strength and cleverness of their resistance. In the end, our massive invasion resulted in the capture of only seven worlds: Cylene, Lima, March, McComb, Murchison, Royal, and Skat. The Kuritans took three: Fomalhaut, Quentin, and Saffel.
Rise of Theodore
Theodore Kurita, Coordinator Takashi's only offspring, may be the most powerful man in the Draconis Combine, even though it is his father who holds the highest title of power. Theodore's rise began with his successes against the Steiner military in the Fourth Succession War. In contrast, Takashi lost the support of many Combine citizens because of his behavior during that conflict.
The Coordinator's obsession with destroying Wolf's Dragoons after the mercenaries left the Draconis Combine in 3028 seemed to border on madness. Coordinator Kurita took the case to a ComStar Review Board, but the Board ruled no fault. While he was concentrating all his energy and attention on the Dragoons along the Davion border, the Combine military effort on the Commonwealth front suffered greatly. Takashi, meanwhile, became increasingly irrational, flying into fits of rage and ranting that he wanted the skins and skulls of the Dragoons' commanding officers.
Constance Kurita, Keeper of the Family Honor, stepped in a few weeks before the war's end, demanding that Takashi undergo intensive medical examination. What the doctors found was that the Coordinator had suffered a stroke severe enough to affect his mental functioning sometime in the previous two years. They also predicted he would suffer another, even more debilitating one unless he underwent a series of operations to remove dangerous blood clots and to repair weakened arteries.
While all this was occurring, Theodore was gaining in prestige and influence in the Dieron Military District. While Warlord Cherenkoff virtually twiddled his thumbs, Theodore went from command of three regiments of misfits to de facto military control of the important Dieron Military District. Through shrewd analysis and daring strategies, he succeeded in reversing the Combine's woeful military situation by stopping the Commonwealth offensive cold.
The Combine still lost more than 50 star systems in the Fourth War and many of its best regiments were mauled, yet the defeat might have been even more devastating if not for Theodore Kurita's brilliance. He emerged from the war as a hero, while Takashi's aura was tarnished. This set off a power struggle within the Combine, though the Dragon realm seems to have emerged stronger rather than weaker from the crisis.
Even after the war was over, Theodore Kurita continued to expand on his power and popularity. As a result of his skillful leadership during the war, he eventually won the support of most of the regiments of the Rasalhague, Dieron, and Benjamin Military Districts. All unwittingly, Theodore had also impressed the yakuza, the Combine's organized crime syndicate, who saw him as a new and potent force compared to the stagnation that Takashi represented. These yakuza later pledged their support to Theodore and helped him resist the Federated Commonwealth's massive invasion of the Combine in 3039.
Takashi has always been harsh toward his son, but he could not ignore Theodore's immense popularity with both the military and the people. In 3030, the Coordinator felt obliged to award Theodore the Order of the Dragon in honor of his achievements during the war. In that year, he also appointed his son Gunji no Kanrei, Deputy for Military Affairs. Takashi may have believed it was a hollow honor, but Theodore leaped at the chance to re-mold the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery according to his own desires. As Kanrei, virtually no one stood in his way.
Also at this time, it is believed that Theodore Kurita made a secret deal with Myndo Waterly, Primus of ComStar. We have reason to suspect that Waterly offered to supply House Kurita with 'Mechs, equipment, and troops if Theodore would allow her to station ComStar forces in the Combine and if he would support the creation of the Free Rasalhague Republic. Theodore apparently accepted the deal, because the Draconis Combine quickly recognized the Free Rasalhague Republic after it declared its independence, despite the fact that the Combine had to give up worlds to that new state.
Also in his camp was Constance Kurita, Keeper of the House Honor and head of the Order of the Five Pillars (O5P). As head of the O5P, Constance had access to her Order's considerable intelligence capacities, and she may have been inclined to put this information at Theodore's disposal. The Coordinator's son may also have benefited from his special friendship with Subhash Indrahar, dreaded Director of the Combine's Internal Security Force.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Constance and Indrahar must surely have assisted Theodore in keeping secret his marriage to Tomoe Sakade for so long. The two were married in 3019, but Theodore did not reveal the fact to his father until 3033, when Tomoe had already borne him two children, one of them a son. It is well-known that in all those years Takashi was anxious to see his son married and the succession of his line guaranteed by the birth of a child. The Coordinator actually arranged several marriages for his son, but all were canceled for one reason or another.]
The Ronin War
On March 13, 3034, Haakon Magnusson declared himself Prince of the Free Rasalhague Republic, which included most of the former Rasalhague Military District of the Draconis Combine. ComStar quickly recognized the new state, as did Takashi Kurita. The FRR created a buffer state between the Combine and the Lyran Commonwealth, freeing up Combine troops for use on other borders. Only about 20 Rasalhague District worlds remained under Combine control as the Alshain District, while the Lyrans gave up most of what they had captured in the Fourth Succession War. The new Alshain District included ten worlds of the Buckminster Prefecture. Duke Hassid Ricol was appointed Governor, possibly in return for a copy of the Star League library core that the Gray Death Legion had discovered on Helm six years before.
Not all the Warlords of the Combine accepted the decision to recognize Rasalhague's independence. Ivan Sorenson, Warlord of the Rasalhague Military District, was assassinated before he even knew of the Draconis Combine's acquiescence in the FRR's birth. However, the Warlords of Pesht and Dieron Districts, Marcus Kurita and Vasily Cherenkoff, disagreed violently with the decision to surrender Combine worlds and vowed to fight. Under the leadership of Marcus Kurita, the renegade forces attacked the FRR.
Theodore branded these men ronin, declaring that they did not act in the name of the Draconis Combine. Then he sent DCMS troops to cut off the ronin from their supply bases in the Combine and ordered his men to crush any resistance.
Vasily Cherenkoff died in the ronin invasion when his Atlas was beheaded on Orestes. His second-in-command, Tai-sho Dexter Kingsley, withdrew from the fight and swore his allegiance to the Kanrei, which cut off Marcus Kurita's support. In May of 3034, Marcus Kurita was assassinated in his field headquarters on Predlitz. The Kuritans blamed the Lyran Commonwealth, but it is just as likely that one of their own ruling clan wanted the eternally scheming Marcus Kurita out of the way.
The Kanrei benefited in several ways from the Ronin War. Because he was fighting against rebellious elements in his own military, it was a way of purging those disloyal troops. Warlords Cherenkoff and Marcus Kurita, two adversaries, were also permanently out of the way. Finally, because Theodore withdrew his troops after they had helped to crush the rebels, he raised his stock with the FRR considerably.
Theodore's Innovations
As Kanrei, Theodore has made many changes in the DCMS to make it a stronger, more efficient force. New 'Mech and fighter pilots, many of them yakuza, were trained in the rebuilding of the Ryuken and Genyosha regiments as well as at special field academies. This training stressed practical cooperation rather than political correctness, emphasizing coordination between front and rear echelons and among the various military branches. Early in this training program, Coordinator Takashi had attempted to undercut this new military trend by ordering that the Genyosha and Ryuken be dispersed among the rest of the DCMS in June 3031. Rather than diluting Theodore's ideas, this merely served to disseminate them widely throughout the ranks. The reformation of the Ryuken and Genyosha, however, was set back severely, and those regiments came back together barely in time for the War of 3039. To our surprise, Theodore was making other major changes in the DCMS.
War of 3039
The success of Theodore's policies became clear during the War of 3039, when Federated Commonwealth forces mounted a four-pronged offensive against the Draconis Combine. Theodore coordinated and planned his defense so skillfully that it caught the Davion invasion force by surprise. The war continued until early 3040, but it soon became the old game of mutual raid-and-reprisal, rather than a major offensive that had the Combine on the run.
Long after the war, Federated Commonwealth military intelligence still has not been able to discern what Theodore Kurita did and how he did it. What is known is that the Draconis Combine fielded a large number of units that we still have not been able to identify. The DCMS also fielded 'Mechs of design seen only in the Com Guards and variants with unexpected capabilities. Warriors should exercise great caution in encounters with any unknown 'Mech type and with Kurita Chargers, which may have increased weaponry, or special two-seat BattleMasters, which have enhanced communications and command capabilities.
Politics
Takashi's Status
Much of the blame for the Combine's poor showing during the Fourth War can be laid at the door of Coordinator Takashi Kurita. His erratic behavior shook the confidence of many nobles and other high Combine officials. The only person to challenge the Coordinator's power was the late Marcus Kurita, who made several attempts against Takashi's life and went renegade during the Ronin War. Most Combine officials have been biding their time to see how the chips will fall in the unspoken struggle for dominance between father and son.
Takashi's most important support is among the older officers of the DCMS, mainly because Theodore's sweeping renovations have stripped them of much of their prestige.
Theodore's Status
Theodore's military successes during the Fourth War and the War of 3039 have solidified his position as the Combine's great military genius, while his rank of Kanrei has given him the power to shape the military with virtually no interference. He can count on the support of most of the younger officers, non-commissioned officers, and enlisted troops, who admire and even revere him. Women and officers from the lower classes, particularly MechWarriors, have a special loyalty to Theodore because it was he who removed the barriers that prevented them from rising in rank and importance. Of all Theodore's supporters, however, the yakuza are the most ardent. By acknowledging their value and giving them a chance to assist him militarily, he has won the fervent support of most yakuza clans in the Combine.
The main opponents of Theodore Kurita are the die-hard older officers of the DCMS, who resent being forced to give up the old ways in which rank alone gave them unquestioned authority. There has been an insidious war within the bureaucracy of the DCMS since Theodore became Warlord, with the older officers trying desperately to hold on to their power while trying to hinder Theodore's reforms. This has been mostly a losing battle, however, as Theodore "requests" more and more of these officers to retire or as they see their most prominent comrades killed.
Reconciliation
The truce between Takashi and his son, which began in 3039, seems solid. From what we can gather, the two have agree to maintain their respective power bases, with Takashi exercising authority over social, economic, and political matters, and Theodore controlling the military. The two are often seen together publicly, and usually with Theodore's wife and children in tow.
That is significant because Theodore's personal life was once a sore point between the Coordinator and his son. For now, Theodore seems content to play the dutiful son in public, no doubt because he and his father realize that public support in the freer, more open Combine society will be the key to their political survival. Both have become conscious of the power of the new independent Combine media and are learning to make clever use of it.
Foreign Relations
Relations with other "friendly" realms have suffered while the leaders of the Combine dealt with major internal problems and then the invasion of 3039.
We have learned that there is a movement afoot in the Combine to renew alliances beyond the border of the Combine. Some, perhaps including Theodore, believe that a successful alliance is possible even though the members will be separated by the Federated Commonwealth. Indeed, if ComStar's support of the Combine is as extensive as believed, this could easily give the Combine and any allies special communication and transportation privileges.
An alliance with the Capellan Confederation is unlikely because of the weakness of the Capellan military and Romano Liao's unpredictability. An alliance with the Free Worlds League might be more probable because of that state's proximity, strength, and strong contacts with ComStar. According to latest reports, Combine diplomatic missions have made visits to Captain-General Marik.
Border Changes
The creation of the Free Rasalhague Republic from the Combine's former Rasalhague District left a band of planets that became the heart of the Alshain Military District. Ruled by the planet Alshain, this District is a long, thin region bordering the new FRR. It consists of the 20 Rasalhague worlds that the Combine did not surrender to the FRR, plus ten worlds from the Buckminster Province. The Alshain District is divided into three Prefectures named for their capitals: Buckminster, Garstedt, and Rubigen.
The reshuffling of Combine assets into the new prefecture allowed Theodore to staff the region with many political allies, including Duke Ricol, formerly of Verthandi. The Duke was named Governor in 3034, directly after the Combine recognized the FRR.
DCMS
As Kanrei, Theodore has made many sweeping changes in the DCMS through the manipulation of personnel and resources. Among his first actions was the establishment of "Tiger Programs," which resemble the Federated Commonwealth's regional training battalions. Theodore's military changes also include active recruitment of the best warriors for Theodore's loyal regiments, regardless of social rank or sex.
At first, most warriors trained in the ten Tiger Programs were assigned to one of the five Ruyken regiments or two Genyosha regiments. These regiments and the four Legions of Vega were the core of Theodore's support until his father ordered them disbanded in 3031. Even disbanded, however, they served Theodore as his eyes and ears among the other regiments. His secret deals with ComStar and the yakuza also gave him the means to create a number of other private regiments whose skill and loyalty were crucial during the War of 3039, along with the newly reconstituted Ryuken and Genyosha.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: These private regiments, composed largely of Underworld characters, women, and people from the lower classes of Kurita society, are still largely a mystery. Wolfnet refer to them as "ghost regiments" and have identified approximately twelve such units.]
Theodore has also altered the ranking system in the DCMS. Previously, ranks from Recruit through Sergeant Major were considered too unimportant to rate a Japanese name. In Theodore's new army, all ranks are treated as important and deserving of respect, and so the lower ranks now have the following Japanese names:
Recruit: Hojuhei
Private: Heishi
Lance Corporal: Gunjin
Corporal: Go-cho
Sergeant: Gunsho
Mater Sergeant: Shujin
Talon Sergeant: Kashira
Sergeant Major: Sho-ko
Warlords received the new title of Tai-shu. The Kanrei also gave MechWarriors and AeroSpace Pilots the title Busosenshito express his respect for their worth. Before this, the DCMS did not hold its aerojocks in high esteem.
Theodore altered battlefield tactics as well. In 3036, he wrote a text on his philosophy of combat, Modern Tactics: The Combined Arms Approach. It reflected his interest in the combined-service attacks used so successfully by the AFFC. Since then, the DCMS is more likely to attack with groups of units, each from a different military background. This proved especially effective in the Kanrei's defense strategies in the War of 3039.
To the older officers, Theodore's ideas and the influx of warriors from all classes seemed almost heretical, even if effective. As proof, they point to the lack of discipline and honor shown by some younger soldiers.
The military industry of the DCMS is remarkably free of such political divisions because it survives no matter who holds power in the realm. After the creation of the Free Rasalhague Republic deprived the Combine of two 'Mech factories, efforts were made to expand existing facilities. Their increased production, along with the ComStar 'Mechs, have apparently given the DCMS the luxury of surplus 'Mechs and parts.
Social and Economic Reforms
Believing that the Capellan Confederation's rigorous social stratification was responsible for their defeat in the Fourth War, Coordinator Takashi instituted the Pillar Reforms in 3043. These laws, which relax the restraints on social classes in Combine society, are a major reinterpretation of the Dictum Honorium. The Reforms also allow citizens more privacy than previously. While these reforms may trouble Constance Kurita and the ISF, neither has openly opposed them.
The Pillar Reforms also address the economy. They give corporations greater freedom to chart their own destinies. The reforms also attempt to stimulate inter-realm trade by increasing construction of commercial JumpShips, as well as releasing ships requisitioned by the DCMS decades, even centuries, ago.
Trade with the Federated Commonwealth continues to be forbidden, as it has been for the past 20 years. Trade with the Free Worlds League, the Capellan Confederation, and the Free Rasalhague Republic is encouraged.
The Pillar Reforms seem to have inspired a great sense of optimism among the Combine's ordinary citizens. In addition to enjoying greater personal freedom, people in the Combine have a higher standard of living for the first time in a century.
Goals and Problems
It is likely that the strengthening of the DCMS will continue. Takashi may be wary of the DCMS's loyalty to his son, but the two seem to have an improved relationship. Besides, the Coordinator has a vested interest in making his borders with the Federated Commonwealth secure or in being able to launch an offense. Related to these goals are his recent diplomatic efforts toward the Free Worlds League. An alliance of these two states could complicate the Federated Commonwealth's plans.
It is expected that the Coordinator's social and economic reforms will continue, giving the Combine a strong economy and a contented people in the second half of the 31st Century.
The tensions between Coordinator Takashi and Kanrei Theodore are the biggest potential problem facing the Draconis Combine. Though the dispute between the two seems less public in recent years, it would be naive to believe that it no longer exists.
The history of troubles between the two is mirrored in the DCMS by the older, aristocratic officers loyal to the Coordinator and the younger, more pragmatic officers of the Kanrei's new army. If something were to disrupt the fragile working relationship between the Coordinator and his son, it could wreak havoc on the DCMS and the Combine.
Finally, the increased personal freedoms outlined in the Pillar Reforms have brought a sudden increase in crime and the expression of dissident political opinions. The introduction of even harsher punishments for lawbreakers has not deterred either criminals or dissidents. There are those within the government, notably the ISF and the O5P, who might be provoked to take action against these trends without the Coordinator's permission. Again, this could upset the balance of power and seriously weaken the Combine's position.
Draconis Combine Force Listing
(Deployment as of 3054)
Prior to the War of 3039, House Kurita received covert military aid from ComStar, which greatly strengthened their borders against the hated Federated Suns. During the Clan invasion, these units were withdrawn from the Federated Commonwealth border to reinforce the Clan front, but they have since been returned to the border. Despite an impressive defense, the Combine suffered significant losses in the war with the Clans, and now fear more than ever that the Federated Commonwealth will take advantage of their weakness. ROM has been unable to determine what Combine forces have been stationed on Wolcott, though we suspect that this planet is being prepared for use as a staging area for Draconis raids into the Clan occupation zone.
Because Takashi and Theodore Kurita are now presenting a united front, the loyalty rating refers to the Combine itself, rather than to one man or the other.
Commander: Coordinator Theodore Kurita
Aide: Gunji-no-Kanrei Hohiro Kurita
Mech Strength: 58 Regiments, 2 Battalions
Dieron Military District
Commander: Tai-shu Michi Noketsuna
Aide: Tai-sho Dale Stephans
Mech Strength: 3 Regiments
Kessel Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Isoroku Kurita
Aide: Sho-sho Tobias Villagua
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
40th Dieron Regulars Green 1 Kessel
(CO: Tai-sa Oscar Oshion)
Vega Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Michael Sobiroff
Aide: Sho-sho Vincent Gasora
Mech Strength: 0 Regiments
Al Na'ir Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Hosiji Vestuto
Aide: Sho-sho Hectora Sesla
Mech Strength: 2 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
3rd Dieron Regulars Regular 0.66 Dieron
Regular 0.33 Altair
(CO: Sho-sho Samson Torsibo)
15th Dieron Regulars Regular 0.66 Al Na'ir
Regular 0.33 Nirasaki
(CO: Tai-sa Patrick Sanderson)
Ashio Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Jasik Yoshiro
Aide: Sho-sho Seth Adams
Mech Strength: 0 Regiments
Algedi Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Andrew Asaro
Aide: Sho-sho Jeffrey Kornilov
Mech Strength: 0 Regiments
Galedon Military District
Commander: Tai-shu Li Dok To
Aide: Tai-sho Jarvek Dolmassay
Mech Strength: 3 Regiments
New Samarkand Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Wendall Hansen
Aide: Sho-sho James O'Callahan
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
6th Galedon Regulars Regular 1 New Samarkand
(CO: Tai-sa Ivor Sotallarude)
Kaznejov Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Hak Su Kim
Aide: Sho-sho James Flynn
Mech Strength: 0 Regiments
Matsuida Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho David Chung
Aide: Sho-sho Mich Altermeir
Mech Strength: 0 Regiments
Oshika Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho U Poi
Aide: Sho-sho Arthur Koop
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
16th Galedon Regulars Green 1 Hachiman
(CO: Tai-sa William Tohiro)
Tabayama Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Samon Tartikoff
Aide: Sho-sho Joseph Ullors
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
19th Galedon Regulars Regular 1 Bad News
(CO: Tai-sa Bobby Bock)
Benjamin Military District
Commander: Tai-shu Boris Petroff
Aide: Tai-sho Fritz Hillinger
Mech Strength: 21 Regiments, 2 Battalions
Baldur Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho George Hujiwara
Aide: Sho-sho Kevin Hamilton
Mech Strength: 10 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
2nd Sword of Light Elite 1 Baldur
(CO: Tai-sa Kelly Tok Do)
2nd Arkab Legion (1 Batt) Veteran 0.33 Ogano
(CO: Tai-sa Basir Ojima)
2nd Benjamin Regulars (2 Batt) Regular 0.66 Ogano
(CO: Tai-sa Samson Ashura)
6th Arkab Legion Regular 1 Arkab
(CO: Tai-sa Jusiral Bjutial)
11th Benjamin Regulars (1 Batt) Regular 0.33 Meilen
(CO: Tai-sa Martin Drully)
10th Ghost Regular 1 Meilen
(CO: Unknown)
12th Dieron Regulars (1 Batt) Regular 0.33 Kiesen
(CO: Tai-sa Lacor Walton)
24th Dieron Regulars (1 Batt) Green 0.33 Odabasi
(CO: Tai-sa Frederick Lugo)
17th Galedon Regulars Regular 1 Chandler
(CO: Tai-sa Jon Ziblerson)
1st Ghost Veteran 1 Babuyan
(CO: Unknown)
3rd Ghost Veteran 1 Dumaring
(CO: Unknown)
11th Ghost Regular 1 Najha
(CO: Unknown)
12th Ghost Green 1 Najha
(CO: Unknown)
Kajikazawa Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Victor Coale
Aide: Sho-sho Hishu Stonara
Mech Strength: 2 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
3rd Benjamin Regulars (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Paracale
(CO: Tai-sa Samuel Nelson)
3rd Proserpina Hussars (1 Batt) Elite 0.33 Paracale
(CO: Tai-sa Gregg Weston)
6th Benjamin Regulars Regular 1 Dover
(CO: Tai-sa Hajii Mara)
Proserpina Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Fenton Worridge
Aide: Sho-sho Hohijo Bradbury
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
9th Benjamin Regulars Veteran 1 Proserpina
(CO: Tai-sa Mark Tomtrill)
Xinyang Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Elliot Tsein
Aide: Sho-sho Todo Gewers
Mech Strength: 7 Regiments, 2 Battalions
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
5th Sword of Light Green 1 Tanh Linh
(CO: Tai-sa Hohiro Tastuma)
2nd An Ting Legion (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Leiston
(CO: Tai-sa Shin Oshika)
34th Galedon Regulars (1 Batt) Regular 0.33 Leiston
(CO: Tai-sa Venn Oblak)
12th Galedon Regulars (2 Batt) Regular 0.66 Bicester
(CO: Tai-sa Oscar Bassman)
15th Benjamin Regulars Green 1 Xinyang
(CO: Tai-sa Drex Hof)
2nd Galedon Regulars Green 1 Braunton
(CO: Tai-sa Hojim Banjuri)
8th Galedon Regulars (1 Batt) Veteran 0.33 Braunton
(CO: Tai-sa Richard Hanson)
21st Galedon Regulars Regular 1 Yumesta
(CO: Tai-sa Lee Sawyer)
1st Proserpina Hussars (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Yumesta
(CO: Tai-sa Jeong Moon Lee)
7th Ghost Veteran 1 Baruun Urt
(CO: Unknown)
Iruzun Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Salija Warrick
Aide: Sho-sho Sojanee Rausali
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
22nd Benjamin Regulars Green 1 Marduk
(CO: Tai-sa John Ahrmram)
Pesht Military District
Commander: Tai-sho Teyasu Ashora
Aide: Tai-sho Kelly Dasoshigi
Mech Strength: 31 Regiments
Kagoshima Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Tomoe Sakade
Aide: Sho-sho Aron Kirzak
Mech Strength: 24 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
1st Amphigean Lt Assault Group Veteran 1 Kilmarnock
(CO: Tai-sa Ishajii Michaels)
7th Alshain Regulars (1 Batt) Veteran 0.33 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Yama Shazli)
8th Alshain Regulars Veteran 1 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Tasha Greer)
11th Alshain Regulars (2 Batt) Green 0.66 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Mara Kalish)
11th Legion of Vega Veteran 1 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Yoshi Yamasaki)
9th Pesht Regulars (2 Batt) Regular 0.66 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Mark Graham)
8th Sword of Light (2 Batt) Regular 0.66 Chatham
(CO: Tai-sa Kevin Awano)
8th Dieron Regulars Veteran 1 Meinacos
(CO: Tai-sa Carlos Leighiar)
12th Dieron Regulars (2 Batt) Green 0.66 Maldonado
(CO: Tai-sa Brian Quick)
24th Dieron Regulars (2 Batt) Green 0.66 Herndon
(CO: Tai-sa Frederick Lugo)
32nd Galedon Regulars Green 1 Pesht
(CO: Tai-sa Elizabeth Venga)
4th Pesht Regulars (2 Batt) Green 0.66 Pesht
(CO: Sho-sho Stephan Somogyi)
2nd Dieron Regulars Veteran 1 Pesht
(CO: Tai-sa Jerome Tishilar)
Ryuken (4 Regiments) Veteran 4 Pesht
(CO: Sho-sho Sung Kim Il)
1st Genyosha Elite 1 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Narimasa Asano)
2nd Genyosha (1 Battalion) Elite 0.33 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Laura Nelson)
1st Shin Legion Veteran 1 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Chou Yanyuan)
2nd Legion of Vega Veteran 1 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Tikov Recardni)
17th Benjamin Regulars Veteran 1 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Tucker Orsinian)
Ryuken-Ni Veteran 1 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Dechan Fraser)
1st Sword of Light (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Shigeru Yoshida)
7th Sword of Light (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Kiyomori Minamoto)
Otomo (2 Battalions) Elite 0.66 Luthien
(CO: Tai-sa Oda Hideyoshi)
6th Ghost Veteran 1 Kagoshima
(CO: Unknown)
8th Ghost (1 Battalion) Regular 0.33 McAlister
(CO: Unknown)
22nd Dieron Regulars Veteran 1 McAlister
(CO: Tai-sa Jason Ohiro)
Lonaconing (formerly Bjarred) Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Tashy Jacarlaba
Aide: Sho-sho Robert Manati
Mech Strength: 3 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
3rd Alshain Regulars (1 Batt) Regular 0.33 Lonaconing
(CO: Tai-sa Murry Cohen)
4th Arkab Legion (2 Batt) Veteran 0.66 Lonaconing
(CO: Tai-sa Sajulam Kosiridam)
4th Alshain Regulars (1 Batt) Veteran 0.33 Altona
(CO: Tai-sa Steven Watkins)
5th Sun Zhang Academy Cadre Green 0.66 Altona
(CO: Tai-sa Ishtar von Nielsburg)
2nd Night Stalkers Veteran 1 Matamoras
(CO: Tai-sa Okubo Henderson)
Ningxia Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Bradley Tigart
Aide: Sho-sho William Cloud Climber
Mech Strength: 1 Regiment
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
7th Pesht Regulars Green 1 Lands End
(CO: Tai-sa Kurtis Benzinger)
Qandahar Prefecture
Prefecture Commander: Tai-sho Hya Toyotomi
Aide: Sho-sho Tadaki Johiro
Mech Strength: 3 Regiments
Unit Name Experience Regiments Homeworld
6th Pesht Regulars Green 1 Qandahar
(CO: Tai-sa Basia Bryant)
10th Pesht Regulars Green 1 Gravenhage
(CO: Tai-sa Jefferson McCarl)
5th Ghost Regular 1 Nowhere
(CO: Unknown)
you happy now?
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Nightward
03/12/04 04:52 PM
211.26.7.35
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The Twenty Year Update places the Combine's strength at about 99 Regiments in 3050- this is on p.40, by the way. FM: Draconis Combine: p.132 states that the in 3059, the Draconis Combine posseses just 76 'Mech regiments. I'd be greatly surprised if, by 3067 when Field Manual Update comes through that the Dragon has somehow assembled 120-odd more Regiments. I probably wouldn't complain too much, but I'd be surprised as hell.
Your overly long cut-and paste from The 20 Year Update shows absolutely nothing. What a shock; House Kurita ascended to power through military conquest. You mean, like...oh, say, House Davion...House Steiner...House Marik...House Liao...and, oh, yeah, both Elected Princes Haakon Magnussen and Mansdotter. And King Grimm, the Centrella Dynasty, and everyone else in power? I mean, what are the odds? Who knew?
That entire report was prepared for Prince Hanse Davion, by Justin Allard. Therefore, we know that the report will be inherently editorially biased against the Draconis Combine. At the time the book was written, the Federated Commonwealth was the "in thing" with the writers of novels and sourcebooks. FASA goes through stages like that.
Furthermore, your post only served to prove my point that the Draconis Combine has instilled fanatical loyalty in both its regular citizens and troops.
neven, I'm amazed as to how easy it is to win a debate against you. You regularly head out on tangents that a coherent mind is unable to follow, provide blanket statements with no facts t back them up, insult other posters, and then flame us down when we take the time to make a coherent and polite reply.
Here's the debate in summary so far:
neven: Blanket statemtnt that cannot be supported.
Nightward: Nope. Says here, here and here this is what happens instead.
neven: Never! I stand by my preposterous claims! Furthermore, X, Y, and Z.
Nioghtward: Uh, wrong again. See here, here, and here.
neven: NOOO I PWNZ0RZ J00! I AM 1337 and you know NOTHING. NOTHING!
Nightward: Ahaha. Good attempt. Now make a case and provide some form of factual back-up for it.
neven: Racist scum! How dare you insult me! <Long-winded post doing nothing except chew up valuable bandwidth and prove Nightward correct> More blanket statements that are incorrrect and cannot be supported.
Nightward: Right, uh-huh, yeah.
You might not like the Draconis Combine. In fact, you've already stated you like the Federated Commonwealth- both sides of which dislike the Combine. I am partisan enough to admit, state, and support others arguments that each House has advantages over its fellows, but you are not. And I am now the one with a closed mind?
You started this thread, neven. You wanted to know who liked what and why. Instead of being content to hear others out and ask questions, you continue to persecute a flamewar and act like a jackass.
I have no desire to continue the discussion. I end it with this: you are wrong, and I have proven so several times. Your casual dismissal of the facts at hand serve only to demonstrate your closed mind and general lack of manners. Despite repeated attempts on my part, and the part of others, to interact with you in a manner both polite and civil, you continue to attack us. I have no desire to sink to your level of personal insults and idiotic arguments; that being the case, I bid you adieu.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Grizzly
03/13/04 04:19 AM
209.86.73.202
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Ok, here is the current force list from FM: Updates. Many of the regiments/Galaxies are under strength due to recent combat. (sorry too much work to list each individually with strength percentage  ) Also, many of the naval assets are on paper only, due to damage or incomplete construction. This should clear up any confusion, enjoy!
DCMS:62 Regiments 14 Warships
AFFS: 66 Regiments + 2 Battalions 15 Warships
LAAF:73 Regiments 8 Warships
FWL:66 Regiments 40 Warships
CCAF:42 Regiments 8 Warships
Comstar:50 Divisions 34 Warships
WOB:10 Divisions 5 Warships
FRR:5 Regiments
SLDF:6 Regiments
Nova Cats:7 Galaxies 26 Warships
Blood Spirits: 7 Galaxies 3 Warships
Fire Mandrils:5 Galaxies 7 Warships
Hell's Horses:9 Galaxies 10 Warships
Ice Hellions:6 Galaxies 13 Warships
Jade Falcons:11 Galaxies 21 Warships
Star Adder:13 Galaxies 26 Warships
Wolf:9 Galaxies 11 Warships
Cloud Cobra:6 Galaxies 15 Warships
Coyote:8 Galaxies 13 Warships
Diamond Shark:8 Galaxies 18 Warships
Ghost Bear:13 Galaxies 7 Warships
Goliath Scorpion:8 Galaxies 16 Warships
Snow Raven:7 Galaxies 37 Warships
Steel Viper:9 Galaxies 14 Warships
Wolf in Exile:3 Galaxies 8 Warships
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Grizzly
03/13/04 04:22 AM
209.86.73.202
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Look at my new post. I have listed the info from FM:Updates. This should clear up any "confusion". Enjoy!
"I am but mad north-northwest, when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw" Hamlet
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Toontje
03/13/04 10:30 PM
217.123.31.80
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Wow, the CCAF has had a good comeback i'd say. 2/3th strength of ye average other house.
Lyrans obviously most 'mechs, since they got little other pre.
This list results in the conclusion: House Liao rules! Best morality, due to all houses being equal, and it has the weakest military. And still standing.
Rather to blow up, then.
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neven
03/14/04 12:33 AM
24.69.255.205
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at least i am not like nightward, some dude who spends 18 hours a day on sarna, contemplating about his crapass attitude, thinking everybody is a dick...
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Toontje
03/14/04 06:52 AM
217.123.31.80
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No? You're sure?
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
03/14/04 05:16 PM
205.187.176.109
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Yes, House Liao has the least number of units compared to the other houses, but they also have the least number of worlds that they need to garrison (FRR excepted). It's too bad most of the Davion Guard regiments got destroyed during the civil war...
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Toontje
03/14/04 06:21 PM
217.123.31.80
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We're working to get the number of worlds in line with historical borders.
Rather to blow up, then.
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neven
03/15/04 04:24 PM
152.163.253.5
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did you guys look closely at the inner sphere map of 3132?
ther is no FWL, they are a broken nation filled with petty empires, interesting eh?
and no more FRR, they got absorbed by the ghost bear dominion,
the inner sphere is very different for the one we know...
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Toontje
03/16/04 05:19 AM
217.123.31.80
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We're not in 3132, we're in 3067. 3132 would be MWDA, not CBT.
Rather to blow up, then.
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Thor_Mech
03/18/04 03:30 PM
199.239.45.2
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I like the original... I don't like Dark Age...
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Toontje
03/19/04 06:11 AM
217.123.31.80
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I like 2800, when the CC kicked butt and was one of the largest empires. After that there was a momentary decline.
Seriously, I like the old storyline up to the clans, but that because the clans united the IS. I don't want an alliance with those smelly Davionists, yech! Even Lyrans who would sell their mother into slavery to the dragon, while trying to buy the mother of a Free World Leaguer, are better. The clans have their pro's, but I'm not into that.
Rather to blow up, then.
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neven
03/20/04 03:21 AM
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hmm, what about the Word of Blake jihad, the first target was outreach, they decimated the population, destroying the continents and nearly killing the wolf's dragoons, that is some serious damage there huh?
-***"ADAPT TO SURVIVE"***-
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Death_Fire
05/04/04 11:20 AM
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Here are my choises:
Clan-
Ghost Bears
Great House-
Draconis Combine (if you have the guts to take on the clan mechs one on one I gotta respect ya)
Periphery State-
They're all crap.
Merc-
Wolf's Dragoons (best mechs, best pilots, best tactics)
The winning team is the first team that wins!
-Hitchikers Guide To The Galixies
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JStallion
05/04/04 09:38 PM
69.244.182.44
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neven others have already said it, this isnt mech warrior dark age. with the exception of clay, who doesnt mind it, and obviously you, i dont know of anyone else on here who likes MWDA. we're in 3067 not any farther than that, so enough about "well in a hundred years this and this happens" no one cares because its not a hundred years from now. stick with CBT on here, not MWDA.
"what about the Word of Blake jihad" NO ONE CARES. people hate MWDA, the word of blake jihad is sh*t because they broke the ares conventions and the whole MWDA storyline is crap.
"that is some serious damage there huh? " well yeah, if youre playing a game where u fight with sticks and somoene pulls out a gun and shoots u, thats a little more "damage" than fighting with sticks isnt it?
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Thor_Mech
05/10/04 03:35 PM
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MWDA sucks. For the first time in a LONG time, I've stopped buying the books. (Though I was very happy when they rereleased the Legend of the Jade Pheonix Trilogy!) (Endgame ended too soon...)
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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JStallion
05/11/04 10:13 PM
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jade phoenix trilogy...drool..... started and finished that on my trip/layovers on my way back from florida this fall when i saw it for the first time in a borders at the air port
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Cray
05/12/04 01:11 AM
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with the exception of clay,
CRay.
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stick with CBT on here, not MWDA
The board is still open for discussion on general BT topics, including MWDA. If you don't like MWDA, it's fine to say so, but trying to censor someone else's right to post for wanting to discuss MWDA is pretty weak.
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the word of blake jihad is sh*t because they broke the ares conventions
While the Word has gone beyond the accepted norm of BT combat, the Ares Conventions have been not been in force for 500 years. Virtually every combatant in every battle of every war since the Reunification War (2575-2595) has violated the Ares Conventions. The Star League wiped its ass with the Conventions during the Reunification War when it butchered Periphery civilians, Amaris and the Star League killed a billion civilians during the Star League civil war, the exiled SLDF violated every rule of the Ares Conventions during the Exodus Civil War on the (future) Clan home worlds as it slaughtered civilians and resorted to WMDs, the First and Second Succession Wars are close approximations of the Jihad for civilian fatalities, and the Third Succession War and later wars only followed a crude parody of the Conventions.
You can say "I don't like WoB because it violated the accepted norms of BT combat," but saying "WoB isn't [censored] because it broke the Ares Conventions" implies every other faction is [censored], too, and I don't think you meant that.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
Edited by Cray (05/12/04 01:13 AM)
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Cray
05/12/04 01:12 AM
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MWDA sucks. For the first time in a LONG time, I've stopped buying the books. (Though I was very happy when they rereleased the Legend of the Jade Pheonix Trilogy!) (Endgame ended too soon...)
There you go, JStallion. That's an example of how to respond to MWDA posts you don't like.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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JStallion
05/15/04 11:39 AM
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with the exception of clay,
CRay.
sry about that one
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The board is still open for discussion on general BT topics, including MWDA. If you don't like MWDA, it's fine to say so, but trying to censor someone else's right to post for wanting to discuss MWDA is pretty weak.
i meant in this thread because i doubt everyone whos posting in here cares that much about MWDA, im sure theres a few exceptions but when discussing favroite great houses or clans etc. those who dont know MWDA wouldn't be posting about it. so to start posting about what happened here or there in MWDA while theres those in the room who refuse to even buy the books of it is just pointless because they dont care about MWDA
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Amaris and the Star League killed a billion civilians during the Star League civil war
not positive, but pretty sure people didnt like amaris's actions
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the exiled SLDF violated every rule of the Ares Conventions during the Exodus Civil War on the (future) Clan home worlds as it slaughtered civilians and resorted to WMDs
correct me if im wrong but i believe the ares conventions was agreed upon by the house lords. the exiled star league left the inner sphere and were no longer under the convention's rules. or the clans for that matter and their doings would be uneffected by any code except their own. (even though theyre all about honorable combat and such acts would be considered unhonorable) however in trials of annihilation they destroy everything that clan had, including civilians. its apart of who they are and its just what they do. the ares conventions dont dictate their own rules
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You can say "I don't like WoB because it violated the accepted norms of BT combat," but saying "WoB isn't [censored] because it broke the Ares Conventions" implies every other faction is [censored], too, and I don't think you meant that.
true i didnt mean that but the whole idea of WOB becoming a powerhouse w/o anyone else knowing about it then going and bombing the hell out of ppl makes them $hit. do i think kindly of the old star league killing periphery civilians? no. but as u said, they rival the jihad casualties, but still dont add up to them. senseless killing is a waste, and i believe WOB is $hit for causing that waste.
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Nightward
05/15/04 07:12 PM
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Neven only switched to the MW: DA setting when it became clear he couldn't win in the CBT debate. And even then he came up with toal BS, but by that stage I was too tired o flaming down the little troll to call him on it.
Meanwhile, quit with the Thread Necromancy. This Thread was dead for some good reasons
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Cray
05/15/04 08:05 PM
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i meant in this thread because i doubt everyone whos posting in here cares that much about MWDA
Irrelevant. If you don't like what someone is talking about, either a) ignore them, or b) tell them you don't like what they're talking about. But trying to silence someone is lame.
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correct me if im wrong but i believe the ares conventions was agreed upon by the house lords. the exiled star league left the inner sphere and were no longer under the convention's rules.
That's not exactly the correct break point for the SLDF. Every House, including House Cameron/Terran Hegemony, had violated the Ares Conventions 200 years before the SLDF left the Inner Sphere - the behavior of the Houses and SLDF during the Reunification War amounted to those noble crusaders using the Ares Conventions for toilet paper. The SLDF continued to apply the Ares Conventions to its buttocks during the Amaris Civil War, matching the Rim World Republic's atrocities. The Star League basically never obeyed the Ares Conventions, EVER.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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JStallion
05/16/04 03:37 PM
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you failed to see my point.
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the exiled SLDF violated every rule of the Ares Conventions during the Exodus Civil War on the (future) Clan home worlds as it slaughtered civilians and resorted to WMDs,
youre saying that the exiled star league violated it, well yeah they did but it didnt apply to them because they were no longer under its doctrine. yeah the old star league broke it b4 they were exiled but thats not what im getting at. saying the exiled star league broke it is pointless becausethe conventions had nothing to do with them. One houses' rules dont apply to another houses' etc. so why would the ares conventions apply to the exiled star league who was no longer among those who claimed they would follow it?
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JStallion
05/16/04 03:40 PM
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Meanwhile, quit with the Thread Necromancy. This Thread was dead for some good reasons
the biggest gap between posts is 2 months, then it stayed constant again after that...
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Crusader9281
05/16/04 07:19 PM
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ooooh. tough one. dont usually care for the clans, but I'd have to say Clan Wolf. MY favorite house, would be the Federated Commonwealth(before Katherine got a hold of it). and I really dont pay any attention to the periphery states. I like clan wolf because thye fight honorably but not rigidly like some of the other clans. and the federated commonwealth because they have some of the most awesome mechs and aren't afraid to use less than nice tactics.
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Cray
05/16/04 07:45 PM
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One houses' rules dont apply to another houses' etc. so why would the ares conventions apply to the exiled star league who was no longer among those who claimed they would follow it?
I guess we're talking past each other. You seemed to say that the SLDF-in-exile was freed from the Conventions once it left the Inner Sphere; I pointed out that the SLDF violated it long before it left. That seems to be ironed out now.
However, going back to the point: saying the WoB is lame because it violated the Conventions doesn't mean much. Many of the pinnacles of "good guyness" in Battletech violated (and continue to violate) the Ares Conventions, sometimes greviously. All of the Inner Sphere's Houses broke the Conventions as badly as WoB, as did the SLDF. WoB is hardly alone in the category of a violator of the Conventions. Even the Federated Suns and Lyrans were using nukes in the FC Civil War.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
Edited by Cray (05/16/04 07:56 PM)
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JStallion
05/16/04 09:37 PM
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i agree with you that theyve all broken it, but you cant say
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All of the Inner Sphere's Houses broke the Conventions as badly as WoB
Because they just didn't. the jihad's fatalities easily out-shadowed what the houses/SLDF had done.
I don't like WoB for what they did. That doesn't mean i like that the old SLDF did the same things or even the other houses, personally i like the clans more than the houses even. you said in the fedcom civil war they did those things, i read the novels and mustve been too tired one night and missed that; or just can't recall it right now. also dont have the field manual for it so wouldnt have read it there, if you could enlighten me on what happened there (using nukes wise at least) i'd greatly appreciate it.
anyway, when saying for neven to not talk about MWDA i wasnt trying to censor him, was just kinda saying it because in lots of threads i see ppl will be talking about CBT and he'll come in talking about what happened in MWDA as though that effects what should or will happen in CBT. personally i see MWDA as completely different than CBT, not like its the same inner sphere and clans just in the future. It kills me to see them trying to play it off as though those stupid events would happen in the greatness that CBT is. the jihad was pretty much a big "reset" button so they could form the battletech universe in their own interests (cant blame them though, its a lot of new people working on it and they might not like what the others had going) i however do like what was happening and loved it in fact. so seeing those things unfurl in MWDA as though they would happen in 60 or so years after CBT is like a kick in the nuts.
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Toontje
05/17/04 04:47 AM
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All of the Inner Sphere's Houses broke the Conventions as badly as WoB
Because they just didn't. the jihad's fatalities easily out-shadowed what the houses/SLDF had done.
Hmm, SWI and SWII were pretty vicious too, altrough it was a little bit less scorched earth tactics as all sides tried to gain control (before deciding they could not get/were about to lose) before blowing it into oblivion.
You guys sorted out or ready to start all over again? Maybe let a battle decide using megamek or so, winner takes all, loser ehm.. does not take all.
Rather to blow up, then.
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Cray
05/17/04 07:16 AM
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Because they just didn't. the jihad's fatalities easily out-shadowed what the houses/SLDF had done
No, the Jihad is on par with the First and Second Succession Wars. The forthcoming House Steiner Handbook will be illuminating on the level of WMDs and scorched earth tactics used in those wars.
Re: FedCom Civil War nukes: Leftenant General Annette Leyland stumbled on a nuke stockpile (50 weapons) and decided to use them (pg94-95 FCCWSB). She used them on the planet Axton. She used two initially ("because she was backed into a corner"), then six more against the furious counter-attack, and 6 more by the end of the week (a total of 14). Another was used on Martlette (pg124-125); Leyland attempted to use more on Martlett, but one weapon malfunctioned and the fighters carrying the others were shot down. Leyland fled with a core of loyalists and, it's thought, 6 nuclear weapons. Her whereabouts are unknown.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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JStallion
05/17/04 02:22 PM
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No, the Jihad is on par with the First and Second Succession Wars.
hmm mustve misread my facts then but was pretty sure the jihad was still greater than those. Even if it were tied completely with those though SWI and SWII are considered horrible events and WoB is wrong for recreating them.
About the fedcom civil war, that was merely one general whod screwed up and did something stupid, its not as though the entire loyalist or alliance forces were using them as WoB had numerous people sending off those bombs.
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Cray
05/17/04 05:48 PM
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hmm mustve misread my facts then but was pretty sure the jihad was still greater than those.
Within a factor of 2, yes. But after the first trillion dead, who's counting?
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About the fedcom civil war, that was merely one general whod screwed up and did something stupid,
Yes.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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JStallion
05/17/04 07:13 PM
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alright, well nice arguing with you
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/21/04 10:16 PM
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Clan Wolf, House Davion, Taurain Concordat, and Kell hounds.
2nd Place- Clan Hells' Horses, Comstar (in lieu of a great house), Rim Worlds, and Grey Death Legion.
The Reasons... well, That'd take too long. Suffice it to say Clan Wolf overall, but if you view my 1st choices close enough, the similarites (in political attitudes and battlefield prowess) should become clear...
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/21/04 10:28 PM
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To Nightward- You realize, of course, that the reason the DC recovered more salvage than any other house is because the DC took the brunt of the invasion (DC and the poor FRR) and lost the most territory, I imagine some salvage would go along with that. But did the DC finally strike back at the clans and even annhililate one of them? No, sorry, that was all Victor Davion. I hate to admit it, being clan and all, but the Davions seem to be the most formidable foe (outside of say, Comstar when they're trying)...
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/21/04 10:45 PM
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And one last thing, if I may (no offense to anyone involved)... MWDA aside, what if your preference is not 3067? What if you intend to play during the invasion? I know many are the players who still fight out the battles up to and just beyond Tukayyid...
Thanks, and I'm out.
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JStallion
06/22/04 02:07 AM
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No, sorry, that was all Victor Davion.
you do realize that the vast majority of the forces that wiped out the jaguars was the DCMS right?
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JStallion
06/22/04 02:08 AM
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And one last thing, if I may (no offense to anyone involved)... MWDA aside, what if your preference is not 3067? What if you intend to play during the invasion? I know many are the players who still fight out the battles up to and just beyond Tukayyid...
whats your point? if its your preference then its your preference, i dont see what youre getting at.
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Nightward
06/22/04 04:32 AM
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Eh?
Operation Bulldog was planned and lead overall by Precentor Martial Anastasius Focht. Victor was more or less just a figurehead for the Annihilation. He even says so in the books.
Operation Serpent was created by Morgan Hasek-Davion, Trent, and Anastasius Focht again.
As mentioned by JS, the overwhelming majority of forces in Operation Bulldog were DCMS. They didn't do it alone, and I never said they did- my exact quote was "The Draconis Combine was the spearhead of Operation Bulldog."
Which they were.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Nightward
06/22/04 04:40 AM
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Thread necromancy: bad.
Reviving a thread that degenerated into a raging flamewar? Very bad.
That said, right on! Wolf forever.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Greyslayer
06/22/04 05:43 AM
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Wolf? Sure they are good. They make great pelts for my mercs to use to decorate their cockpits with
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JStallion
06/22/04 03:29 PM
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hmm greyslayer and nightward, do you two know each other in life? seeing as youre both in the queenand, was just curious.
anyway, when i first got into battletech i was all about the jade falcons, then it turned into the wolves, and then wolf's dragons  . I'm split up by these three almost equally now 
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/22/04 05:12 PM
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Reviving a thread- Not bad to me... Reviving a flamewar- Yes, very bad... I appreciate the as yet so far intelligent discourse though... Good show... As for you, Greyslayer, you must've been battling 2nd line Freebirths, because no mere Merc group will ever decorate their second rate machines with hides of my Wolf truebirths... But enough in character discussion...
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Nightward
06/22/04 08:10 PM
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Yep. Scott and I are allies in a PBEM campaign that Ned (another of our friends) is running right now.
Scott ran a tournament a while ago, and plays in Ned's tournaments, which is how I know him.
I used to be target practice at those tournaments. Now I'm fairly average tournament success wise, but tend to get better-than-average dice rolls.
Heh. At Maelstrom II I was rolling obscenely well. People claimed my dice had been tampered with. They made Ned test them whilst I used their dice. My luck only got better when I wasn't unsing my own dice. I've never seen so many headshots in one weekend...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/22/04 08:31 PM
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So, what ruleset are used for your PBEM campaigns? Weight limits on deployment, equipment restrictions? I guess what I'm asking is, who do you need to know to get in? I suppose I too would be target practice for quite some time until the ring rust shakes off...
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Greyslayer
06/23/04 12:53 AM
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Its a local group that uses emailed orders to organise a conflict. We still play the conflicts out face-to-face though.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/23/04 10:53 AM
65.1.53.170
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Oh... So Is there a ring out there that organizes events and games for those who cannot meet and play face to face?
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Nightward
06/23/04 08:34 PM
203.134.104.114
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Run a Google search for "MegaMek".
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/24/04 02:21 AM
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dont even need to do the google, scroll down, look at bottom left, megamek is there
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/24/04 11:59 PM
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Yeah, got it, thanks a bunch... The Bots are dumb as advertised though... But still a welcome change for me... it's almost like having the board game and an extremely dumb opponent all over again, only without the cleanup when I'm done...
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Greyslayer
06/25/04 01:49 AM
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Yeah, got it, thanks a bunch... The Bots are dumb as advertised though... But still a welcome change for me... it's almost like having the board game and an extremely dumb opponent all over again, only without the cleanup when I'm done...
You meant dumb clan opponent obviously
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Nightward
06/25/04 05:24 AM
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HEY!
I resemble that remark!
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/25/04 12:54 PM
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Resemble dumb or resemble clan? Even the lowest castes in the least of the Clans is far superior to anything in any of the "great" houses... So consider the source before taking offense....
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Nightward
06/25/04 06:36 PM
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Uh, Radick...that was a joke. You know how people usually say "HEY! I resent that remark!"?
Scott still gives me crap from when I started playing BT and had the "Clans Only" mindset.
It's the Australian way to heap crap on your friends. Gives us something to do aside from rouncing the rest of the world in sport, I suppose.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Seo
06/25/04 09:28 PM
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This whole thread is meaningless because us taurians will come out and conquer the entire BT universe anyway.
"...and Wayward will keep telling us how great the feature will be even it does screw the whole neveron community like a Hentai Tentacle Monster screws a Japanese School Girl..."
-Seo
For a nice cash bonus in new empires use the promo code "Seo is God"
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/26/04 05:45 PM
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I knew it was a joke, but in typical dry humor fashion, I fired back and it apparently got misunderstood... No offense you see, only "heaping the crap" in my own way... and as for SEO... Taurians? Yeah, that'll happen right after I get certified in a pink F-14 while smoking crack naked...
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Nightward
06/27/04 07:38 PM
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I haven't found the Bot to be dumb...quite the opposite, really.
In my first game, I randomly clicked four times down the list to give it a Lance. I wound up with a Hatchetman, Tsi T'sang, Axeman, and Sagittaire. The first thing it did was jump into a deep lake, and sit there.
So I stared at the screen and thought "Hmmm. Do I leap into an underwater battle with an all close-combat lance where my missile and ballistic-based Lance will be worthless....or, do I start a new game?"
The Bot does the most efficient possible thing at any time. It sits there, crunches through the algorithms that decide its behaviour, and then acts.
I'm used to sitting across the table and playing a human. I can figure out their tactics and see ahead to what they're trying to do. But the Bot only plays one turn at a time. Until I can adapt to its mindset, I'll be struggling. I've won 1 out of 6 lance-on-lance games.
Given multiple units, the Bot is a credible threat. If you're playing it one-on-one, though....yeah. It does some pretty dumb things.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/27/04 08:45 PM
129.33.119.12
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Well, I've only played the bot (in non-scenario games) four times to date, and each time it has done something that left me scratching my head. Once it kept a unit running around a forest, only firing missles, and maintained that posture until I cut off his route. Once it totally igorned a couple units I assigned to it, but I attributed this to the fact that the programmers warned that the bot doesn't respond to or recognize every unit in the game, but it's still annoying. It does seem to do better with multiple units than one on one, especially if those units are varied and somewhat compliment one another. In a straight up duel, however, It just wants to run right up to you and say hi, regardless of the short range staying power of the mech you give it... Oh well, I suppose if droids could think none of us would be here...
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JStallion
06/27/04 09:18 PM
69.244.182.44
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I did a clan medium and light binary (one star of each) against an inner sphere company also light and medium (2 medium lances, 1 light lance) as my biggest engagement vs the bot yet; everything was level 2 tech. The bot wasnt stupid but I only lost 3 mechs, a stormcrow, a grendel and a nova. My shadowcats did get 2 headshots with gauss rifles though. The only things the bot did was bring its weaker units too far back so those remaining in the front were overwhelmed.
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Greyslayer
06/28/04 10:13 AM
216.14.192.234
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So 10 clan vs 12 IS of similar weight classes. No wonder you only lost 3 units. Did you have better gunners as well? Random mechs for the opponent? Did you select your own?
Not much 'honour' in that fight
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JStallion
06/29/04 02:05 AM
69.244.182.44
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Gunners were same, units were random. it was one of the first fights i did and I was mad about losing the scenarios to the comp so i just tried that out.
I dont know though, always thought IS would be able to take out more than just 3 in a fight like that. The IS did win most engagements like that on strana mechty anyway, except of course vs jade falcons and tied wolves
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Nightward
06/29/04 05:14 AM
203.134.40.66
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Say it with me now: deus ex machina.
I'd be surprised if you didn't win with such light casualties. The system there is som focussed on providing Ye Olde Standard Curve...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/29/04 10:48 PM
69.244.182.44
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deus ex machina.
I dont know what that means 
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Nightward
06/30/04 10:10 PM
203.134.46.65
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Ladies and Gentlmen, I present to you...
"deus ex machina.
I dont know what that means "
...the net result of the American education system!
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
06/30/04 11:51 PM
69.244.182.44
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Everybody always hears of the great exploits done by this Australian and that Australian, the U.S. can barely keep up. Australians are in fact looked at as the world power. Not only that though but you always hear of their great military achievements, such as..... well there was...... wait, my bad; no one looks to them that way, or have they done much. Sorry for the mistake.
haha j/k. I don't know the term though and you're probably more familiar with it because people you're with might use it. I however never hear it and so don't know what it means. That has nothing to do with our education system over here.
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Greyslayer
07/01/04 05:40 AM
203.61.72.237
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I wouldn't talk about Aussie military, sure Australia lacks the numbers but what is lacking in numbers is usually made up in with the strength of character so characteristic of our troops.
For much of history Australia's military has always been a part of international forces usually under the command of a foreign power's military. Its hard to gain much more respect than those you fight with if that is the case.
Afghanistan losses: 0 (1 or 2 injuries through land mines I believe)
-friendly fire: 0
Iraq losses: 0
-friendly fire: 0
If fact the western part of Iraq was left to a component (yes a component probably about 1 to 2 companies worth) of the SAS and virtually no SAM sites were left operating indicating the effictiveness of troops when properly trained and deployed with a 'self' command structure.
We have Aging F-111s yet still win bombing competitions around the world. We had a enemy kill ratio of at least 12 to 1 of MILITARY enemy in Vietnam during the war, US figures were boosted by bombing of civilian villages. Aussie troops had little problem from the villages under their control during the period, all attacks seemed to come from the American controlled areas. Look up Long Tan, or here I have done a bit of research for you:
http://www.anzacday.org.au/education/activities/longtan/longtan01.html#Source%207
Interesting to note that they 'ambushed' one platoon, and somehow killed 500 troops. Gotta love misinformation. For the record 6RAR was a Regular unit not a special force.
US media is reknowned for not reporting anything happening outside of the US.
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marlin
07/01/04 11:38 AM
141.20.80.159
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Now back to the Topic.
I hope I didn´t write here before. A long time ago..
All Factions in BT have their own right and place and normally I can get into any of them.
Anyway: From the Clans the premier is of course Clan Star Adder.
It was it short after I got the FM: Crusader Clans.
Mhm. For IS its a bit more difficult. ........ I don´t really know. Maybe hm the Combine? Or Lyrans? Or Marik? There´s everything in every realm.
The Periphery: The same. But Canopus has some good arguments.
Mercs: of course the "Lords of Thunder".
Sorry for mistakes.
Frederic Walden
driver of "Sir Scan-a-L.o.T." (A Savannah Master, for neven <img src="http://www.sarna.net/w3t/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )
with the "Lords of Thunder"
and proud of it.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/01/04 04:29 PM
65.1.53.170
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Are we really trying to start a flame hate "my country's better than yours" post here? I'm American, and proud to be, but I've been around the world and know that there's many great countries out there... they all have their pros and cons, but arguing about them proves only our ignorance of the other in the end... Besides, we're supposed to be making this a "my clan and or house is better than yours" post anyways, so Clan Wolf. There.
War Never Determines who is right, only who is left.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing-Darth Vader"
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Seo
07/01/04 05:41 PM
156.34.183.151
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I'm still saying the the Taurians are the best and that they'll... what we've been destroyed again. Sorry I have to go help rebuild the Concordat again, but when I get back you'll see that we Taurians are the best.
"...and Wayward will keep telling us how great the feature will be even it does screw the whole neveron community like a Hentai Tentacle Monster screws a Japanese School Girl..."
-Seo
For a nice cash bonus in new empires use the promo code "Seo is God"
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JStallion
07/01/04 10:58 PM
69.244.182.44
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If you have a few elite trained troops then yeah theyre not going to screw up (at least not nearly as much one would hope). But the U.S. sends in tons of troops because it can. All those troops aren't elite and so mistakes happen. Do you believe you would still have so few losses if there were more aussie troops there? Granted theres thousands of stupid americans, and im sure theyve made their way into the military. I bet Australia has less inteligent and mistake-proned troops just as the U.S. and every other country, but when you dont send those troops in they can't be there to make mistakes. So i'll give those aussie troops that did well the credit they deserve, but Australia has never been known as a world power or a country that one feared; in fact, i didnt even know Australia sent troops to vietnam or iraq( cant blame that on U.S. media though because they mentioned lots of countries that did, just not all of them. My main point was the U.S. is seen as a powerhouse while australia isn't, so our education can't be too bad can it?
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Nightward
07/02/04 03:19 AM
202.141.216.133
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...
Not only did you not get the point, you did not get the point at all.
"Deus Ex Machina" is a term from Greek plays where actors playing the Gods would be lowered (or raised) onto the stage to hustle the plot along. It literally means "God from the machine".
"Deus Ex Machina" is a term nowdays applied to anything that is overtly a device to advance the plot without making any other sense whatsoever.
This is something that I was taught way back in Grade 8 Greek History. I ran into it again in Years 11 and 12, though admittedly I was studying Advanced English.
The US has a policy called "no child left behind" which means that the class is taught to the lowest common denominator. In Australia, we don't worry about that kind of crap. If you're failing the class, you stay behind until you catch up- you don't drag the rest of the class down with you. I was concerned at the time the policy was instituted, and judging by the reading, writing, and comprehension skills of American High Schoolers I've run into on the 'net, it doesn't appear that my predictions were too far wrong.
Furthermore, Australian troops are, on a one-for-one basis, at the very least as good as US troops, and at least IMO, much better. Do some research on Vietnam, where the Viet Cong took to calling our SAS unit "Mah Hrung" (Forest Spirits), or better yet, Google up some reports on a country called East Timor.
A few years back, Australia single-handedly freed that country from an oppressive regime, and installed a democratic government. UN forces arrived just in time to snatch all the glory.
Of course, you can skip all that and just google for "ANZAC" and learn what real courage and honour is.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Greyslayer
07/02/04 07:20 AM
203.61.73.65
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Through his own ignorance JStallion slighted the military history of a nation, if I am not allowed to respond to that then are some serious 'issues' you guys have.
Everyone is aware of American military history, whether the overglorified hollywood version or honest research through history books. If you read the story of Long Tan (the link I had posted above) you will find a true story even better than many of the ones used in Hollywood blockbusters.
He also slighted the country by saying that we are not a world power. We don't have delusions of our standing in the world like the French (who keel over whenever anyone attacked them anyway... some power), but we do have prominence. While the whole world went through a nasty economic recession, Australia powered through being the least scathed of the western countries. In fact we came out of the recession pretty damn well off actually.
Maybe Australians are the Taurians due to the harshness of the landscape making it hard for invaders to really get any advantage (much like the well protected homeworlds of the Taurians). Their strength of education given to citizens.
Only thing that probably doesn't match is the military prowess and the important role Australia plays in civilian research avenues such as biotechnology/medicine, quantum physics, engine technology and agriculture.
Oh and one of the Taurian planets is called 'Brisbane'
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/02/04 01:01 PM
129.33.119.12
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Like I said, don't let one's ignorance of a country he's obviously never been to ruin your perceptions of Americans everywhere... As a Veteran who's met many Aussies, I for one would much rather have one of you guys at my back than a French, Spanish, or Russian soldier, and I say that with any and all due respect to those countries (except maybe the French, because they ask for whatever bad treatment they receive, especially ever since about 1930). But I beseech you to return this post to what it was intended to be- BATTLETECH... Yeah, The U.S. is Great, Australia is great, our education systems are at least both good enough to produce people willing to stand up for their national honor on the Internet while enjoying a rather heady board game... Once Again, Clan Wolf, Bah to the Taurians.
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sunburst
07/02/04 01:36 PM
63.163.156.138
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I would definitely go for House Davion. The Federated Suns is militaristic but at the same time advocates personal liberties - a balance that is not achieved by the other Successor states. As for the clans, Clan Wolf stands out. I even think they should eventually be the ILCLAN. For one thing, the Kerensky line is in their ranks.
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Nightward
07/02/04 06:40 PM
211.26.65.1
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What I find the saddest indictment on JStallion is the fact that instead of finding out what "deus ex machina" meant on his own (Maybe by opening a dicitionary, or just consulting MS Word) his knee-jerk response was basically: "My 4rmy c0u1d pwnz0r j00, f4ghat".
And then he went on to insult our army and nation. Now I will use his smiley:
"Everybody always hears of the great exploits done by this Australian and that Australian, the U.S. can barely keep up. Australians are in fact looked at as the world power. Not only that though but you always hear of their great military achievements, such as..... well there was...... wait, my bad; no one looks to them that way, or have they done much. Sorry for the mistake. "
If I'd substituted "America" for "Australia" there, the massive flamewave that would have struck the thread would have caused Slayer at the least to lock it, and quite probably to have banned me for being an arsehat. He'd have been right in doing so, too. JStallion should thank his lucky stars I was so pissed off I could barely think coherently enough to give him the reply I did instead of the reply he so richly deserved.
"haha j/k. I don't know the term though and you're probably more familiar with it because people you're with might use it. I however never hear it and so don't know what it means. That has nothing to do with our education system over here. "
And that's where he's so wrong. America prides itsef on being so well-rounded in its education, and being the world's foremost democracy. If that's the case, why aren't you studying Greek culture- they had the very first known democratic rule. Greek culture was vitally important to the way the West works as it does, and indeed to why the entire WORLD works as it does.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/02/04 08:21 PM
129.33.119.12
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You know, I studied Greek history in school, I'm not sure what state he got his learning from... They do vary quite differently from state to state...
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/02/04 10:52 PM
65.1.53.170
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Oh yeah, almost forgot... Clan Wolf...
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Toontje
07/06/04 04:44 PM
82.73.138.10
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If that's the case, why aren't you studying Greek culture- they had the very first known democratic rule. Greek culture was vitally important to the way the West works as it does, and indeed to why the entire WORLD works as it does.
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They had the best, only sane, land-owning males were allowed to vote. All the suffrage was a bad idea.
Rather to blow up, then.
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Nightward
07/06/04 10:17 PM
203.134.47.161
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Wow. A masterful display of idiocy. I am most impressed.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/07/04 06:23 PM
65.1.53.170
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I'm about ready to give up on this thread... some people are reserved to continue flaming... You already know my point of view... Clan Wolf...
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BigBoss
07/08/04 01:29 PM
24.224.151.124
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Rolling on the Floor Laughing My Ass Off
Well, really dont give up, this post seems interesting, so I will post my thought!
The Draconis Combine is my favorite house, because of strength, honor and courage, and I think they are beter out of all the other houses.
Clan Wolf is my favorite Clan, I dunno why, and they are better and stronger out of all the other Clans.
My favorite Periphery State is the Hanseatic League, because they are so mysterious, and they seem to have a larger army, but Im always militiaristic, so those were my 2 cents.
Bringing Terror to the Comforts of Your Homes
~BB~
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BigBoss
07/08/04 01:38 PM
24.224.151.124
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Wow, does anybody realise that this thread has been a stalemate for FOUR MONTHS! 
Bringing Terror to the Comforts of Your Homes
~BB~
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Seo
07/09/04 10:17 PM
156.34.189.120
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Yes, but thats what we taurians make you think. You see the Taurians have been in the lead since the begining with all their support. BTW if I had to go with a clan I'd go GS cause noone gives them enough support. *looks at the GS's around him. On second thought, no.
"...and Wayward will keep telling us how great the feature will be even it does screw the whole neveron community like a Hentai Tentacle Monster screws a Japanese School Girl..."
-Seo
For a nice cash bonus in new empires use the promo code "Seo is God"
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jackal
07/12/04 09:54 PM
208.54.200.143
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Clan - Goliath Scorpion. I like the idea of the seekers and their philosophy kinda jives with the spirit of Kerensky (Alexander that is).
IS - Taurian Concordat. I guess I like the stubborn underdogs. The break up makes me lean towards the Protectorate now in the spirit of Calderon.
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UncaRat
07/27/04 03:49 AM
172.165.187.83
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NEW RECRUIT, slowly, carefully looks around. drops carefully into his trench and speeks softly to his comrad. "Favorite? When? In 3005 (for those not aware of it thats when the playing timeline started), shakes his head sadly, for fun FWL or Combine.
In 3025? Well I always liked the Federated Suns because of one H. Davion- the right kind of man for the job at the time.
In both these periods I liked the Eridani (?) Llight Horse and Wolf's Dragoons, but I never got to fight beside them.
After 29 and 39 I had to like the Combine for T. Kurita- again the right man for the job at the time.
In the perif? Canopus and the Outworlds.
Since 39 my major focus has been less famous mercs and trying to hold the Federated Comonwealth together, never played in the civil war. From what little I can see two winners (Hanse and Mellisa) had the worst possible luck with the kids! (note I haven't yet finished the reading of the civil war.)
Clans? I like Ghost Bear and the Wolf (note in later days both factions)
As for my education: born in Louisville, Kentucky; raised and educated to high school (12th grade) in southern Indiana (I could see Louisville from my bedroom window), the off to tech school in Columbus, Ohio. I knew what it ment, still you might be under selling those fellows they were hardly your average IS troops!
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/28/04 03:49 PM
65.1.42.9
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Nice choice, UncaRat, the Wolf, but I find it hard to like both the Wolf and the Ghost Bear, as they don't really see eye to eye, yet you also like both Davion and Kurita... Well, no problem with that, until it comes time to pick sides eh??? Who do you most often play as? What style most befits your personality? Perhaps that will narrow it down a little... Which designs do you favor, which tactics? Your style may be pointing you at a house or clan you hadn't even though of yet... BTW, Don't count out Comstar... I'm sure most here will agree the Com Guards can go toe to toe with anyone...
War Never Determines who is right, only who is left.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing-Darth Vader"
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UncaRat
08/02/04 06:52 AM
172.128.28.135
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My post was in answer to who I like, as for who I play? Mostly I do pickup games these days. Santa Barbra is a coledge town and most of the players I know well have graduated and left the area. So some one elde picks the side.
Personaly as I said I'm a Merc at heart.
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Gnome76
08/04/04 04:46 AM
68.12.242.212
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Well, some favorites are favorites just because they were experienced first... such as the first version of a song you hear, or like how my favorite 'Mech is the old Warhammer, because it was on the front cover of the 2nd edition boxed set, therefore the first 'Mech I saw... well, the first Battletech novel I read was Ideal War, so my favorite house is Marik and the FWL. The first book I read that was from a Clanner's point of view was Blood Name (I know, 2nd in a trilogy, but it was a crappy bookstore), so my favorite clan was Jade Falcon, but I don't really like Marthe Pryde, so Ghost Bear's my current favorite clan, because of the expansion pack for MW2. And the first book with a merc unit was Main Event, so favorite mercs are the Black Thorns.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
08/04/04 09:04 AM
65.1.42.9
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Okay, fair enough, and my reasons in fact are similar... The first book of Battletech I owned myself (having had to play with other peoples games before this time) was the TRO 3050, so the first mech I saw daily was the Timberwolf... I soon got the master rules and the Wolf Clan sourcebook and my Favorite has been the Wolf Clan Ever since... I gained huge respect for Comstar after the FM on them came out, and a new understanding of the Canopians when periphery books and FM's came available...So I guess it's a "first time" syndrome for me as well, though even after playing for years and seeing events in the storyline unfold as they have, I've only liked the Wolves more...
War Never Determines who is right, only who is left.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing-Darth Vader"
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UncaRat
08/07/04 02:02 AM
172.128.75.140
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My first book was I believe "Thunder Rift" (?) the founding of the 'Grey Death Leagion' showed an interesting background. I had played BT the boardgame before that but hadn't developed any real knowledge of the various factions.
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JaguarDragoon
08/10/04 02:24 PM
24.199.66.118
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Favorite clan would probably have to be Clan Smoke Jaguar. Even though they took kerenskys teachings to the extreme and where hated by everyone, I still respect their martial prowess and in the end many of them fought to the last man. Second would have to be Clan Star Adder because by numbers of clusters they are largest clan force beacuse of the absorption of clan burrock and second largest fleet next to Clan snow raven.
Favorite House would have to be Marik of the free worlds league because they fight only defensively and don't start fights with people for no good reason like Steiner or Davion. To me, house Davion and the Federated Suns are like Caesar and the roman empire trying to take over everybody like during the fourth sucession war.
Favorite periphery state would have to be the Taurian Concordat because they were able to fight off the Federated Commonwealth pretty well.
Favorite Merc unit would be the Eridrani light horse because they are just good fightersand they are what Victor based his RCTs on.
Edited by JaguarDragoon (08/10/04 02:59 PM)
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Arzakon
08/12/04 05:01 AM
67.164.186.244
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Favorite Clan: Ghost Bear
Favorite House: House Steiner pre-Katherine (no, she's not Katrina, and never will be, someone please put a Sternsnacht to her head and squeeze the trigger)
Favorite Periphery State: Magistracy of Canopus
Favorite Merc Unit: Hansen's Roughriders
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Thor_Mech
09/07/04 02:01 PM
138.67.5.142
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Hmmm... wow... my first BT book was the Blood of Kerensky trilogy.
Great House: Fed Sun or Fed Com
Merc Unit: Wolf's Dragoons or the Eridani Light Horse
Clan: Wolf
Periphery Nation: Don't know much about them...
On a side note, I like ComStar.
(And I also don't like Katherine/Lyran Alliance)
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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UncaRat
12/03/04 10:42 PM
172.172.215.29
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I've been giving Radick's coment on fighting style some thought. Other than the occasional 'Oh my G-D how did that happen?' day I usualy try to prolong a fight and maneuver to concetrate fire on the enemies strongest units to wear them down.
;-) I once fought a lance level fight to 22 turns, however this isn't for the faint of heart! The game lasted for three days, total about 20 hours of play. :-P
But with one mech standing we won!
And the year was 3029. Draconus Combine 4 mechs 280 tons Vrs 5 merc mechs 255 tons.
The last mech standing was a Shadow Hawk with large laser instead of AC.
Well it had one fused actuater (?) and only one arm, but it was standing.
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Sesshomeru
01/05/05 06:25 PM
4.229.114.52
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Hmm I never read the books but have played over half the games still trying to get the rest.
Fave House: Draconis Combine or Fed Com(like Davion more than Lyran but like em both)
Fave Clan: Clan Wolf(though I think they could have made a better banner)
Periphery Nation: Oberon Confederattion (only one I can remeber)
With each kill I grow wiser and with that knowledge I grow stronger.
-Artemis Entreri
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MatthewAce
01/09/05 11:00 PM
202.156.2.210
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I don't really care about clans...
Fave House: FedSun for its rights, love for AC, and some small stuff, while i love Lyran for Heavy Gausses and Fafnirs.
Urbies are good.
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Silenced_Sonix
01/11/05 05:28 PM
168.209.97.34
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Fave Clan: Smoke Jaguar (they have this odd way of reminding me off the Nazis - I dunno why, but they just do) and Diamond Shark/Sea Fox (because they had the savvy to do what everyone has been waiting for so long - selling Clan-tech to the Inner Sphere).
Evolve or Die
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TheCrusader
02/08/05 11:20 AM
216.51.161.170
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geez, lets see my favorite clan has to be Ghost Bear. I guess I like the Warden idea, and they are some pretty staunch wardens. My fav house has to be Free Worlds Leauge. Mainly because of the Thera Class Carrier(Bigger than even the Texas or Mckenna!) and that they resemble a screwy feudal system. Kinda like medivel france.Dont know much about any of the Periphery States, But I'll Put comstar in there instead. I just like the Mechs and unit organization. By fav mercs are the Kell Hounds.
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JStallion
02/08/05 07:07 PM
69.244.182.44
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Quote:
Second would have to be Clan Star Adder because by numbers of clusters they are largest clan force beacuse of the absorption of clan burrock and second largest fleet next to Clan snow raven.
Where'd you get that info from? According to the field manuals Ghost Bear is the biggest; 58 clusters, 2nd is Star Adder with 52, 3rd is Jade Falcon with 49, and 4th is Steel Viper with 45.
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UncaRat
02/19/05 11:24 AM
172.136.130.251
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Ghost Bears --- 58 Clusters
Star Adders --- 52 Clusters
Jade Falcon --- 49 Clusters
Steel Viper --- 45 Clusters
OK but how many are first line units and how many Garrison units.
For me that would make a difference, any data on that?
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Nightward
02/19/05 06:13 PM
203.214.145.111
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Clans typically only feature three Front-Line galaxies, so usually between 12 and 20.
I believe that the Bears feature 6-trinary Clusters, with 6 Clusters to a Galaxy. They have four or five front-line Galaxies.
The numbers in the GB's Touman is utter bullshit. They field almost entirely heavy and assualt 'Mechs...yet manage to do so in those numbers.
Can we say "Author's Favourite", kiddies?
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Brandx0
02/20/05 04:47 PM
24.207.43.89
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Because... we know that BT is DEVOID of such things...
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JStallion
02/20/05 10:19 PM
69.244.182.44
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Quote:
Can we say "Author's Favourite", kiddies?
Clan Wolf is still by far the most favored clan
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Nightward
02/21/05 06:24 PM
203.214.145.59
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Um...yeah.
Yeah, the Wolves, who had one of their most elite Clusters smoked by a trinary of newbie Bears in "Roar of Honour."
The Wolves, who were nerfed in the Refusal War "patch" (whilst the Falcons were not).
The Wolves, who now field just 6 Galaxies.
The Wolves, who deploy almost entirely second-line machines, even in their front-line Clusters.
Yep, you're right. All the hallmarks of favouritism, right there...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Greyslayer
02/22/05 01:08 AM
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Back in the days when they were not nerfed:
1 Trinary of ELITE Nagas. They were the most dezgra mechs for a clanner to pilot but no they had to have all elites in them.
Plus you would think after being belted about both Wolf and Falcon would be mostly paper mache units anyway...
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Greyslayer
02/22/05 01:12 AM
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Can we say "Author's Favourite", kiddies?
*coughs* Jade falcon and Liao */cough*
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Nightward
02/22/05 06:14 PM
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It was never really clear if those unit listings were IS Elite, or Clan Elite. If it was the former, I'm not surprised they were classed as Elite- those Nagas would have been piloted by the very best Solhama warriors in the Clan. 3/4 skills wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
The Wolves were a favoured species when Stackpole wrote about them in the Blood of Kerensky series. I guess FASA decided they were too good and needed to be balanced, except that the Falcons only got better and the Wolves now would be lucky to take on the Ice Hellions and win.
The Bears are now a favoured affiliation. Back in Blood of Kerensky, they were made to be at least as brutal as the Jaguars, yet just five years later, they are all happy space communists.
It doesn't jive.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Greyslayer
02/23/05 01:59 AM
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Those Nagas were 1/2.... go figure.
It went Wolves as the favs early on then Jade Falcons, they (the Falcons) never really left the top two perch after that despite the position the writers kept putting them in (and then magically getting out of). It very much reminded me of arguments little kiddies would get into, or if you remember it a really bad episode of Voltron (possibly a bad episode of Power Rangers but I wouldn't know).
You shouldn't be talking clan rubbish only 3 days out from a 3025 tourney anyway
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Nightward
02/23/05 03:23 AM
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The Wolf Clan Sourcebook just says "Elite".
Says that about a lot of Wolf Clan pilots, though
The Wolves got nerfed in the patch, then they nerfed the Jags. The Falcons are loooong overdue for a good nerfing, but it won't happen any time soon.
Blarg.
Meanwhile, I'm right to roll for the tournament. Hehehe...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
02/27/05 12:11 AM
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Um...yeah.
Yeah, the Wolves, who had one of their most elite Clusters smoked by a trinary of newbie Bears in "Roar of Honour."
The Wolves, who were nerfed in the Refusal War "patch" (whilst the Falcons were not).
The Wolves, who now field just 6 Galaxies.
The Wolves, who deploy almost entirely second-line machines, even in their front-line Clusters.
Yep, you're right. All the hallmarks of favouritism, right there...
The Wolves, who get Kerensky's genes.
The Wolves, who made Wolf's Dragoons, another famous and well favored unit.
The Wolves, who conquer the most during the invasion.
The Wolves, who do the best on Tukayid.
The Wolves, who field just 6 galaxies yet are can hold their own against opposition obviously because they can maintain such a large holding with so few units.
The Wolves, who are still able to invade the Inner Sphere while the other clans are not due to abstaining votes.
The Wolves, who probably have had the greatest effect on the Inner Sphere/Kerensky cluster of all the clans. Conquering the most, Wolf's Dragoons by themselves, Ulric's Tukayid deal which affected everyone, Wolf-In-Exile now aiding the I.S., absorbing Clan Widowmaker and annhiliating Clan Wolverine, etc. etc.
The "refusal war" patch" only set the wolves so much further behind the Falcons because of how the fluff has the Falcon's strategy laid out. Sending lots of 2nd line units into the path of the wolf spearhead and using attrition to weaken them before Falcon line units could finish them off.....Either way the harvest trials helped out both clans.
When I had said author's favorite I meant they are the most talked about and set in the "good guy" role more than other clans are. The falcons are shun nearly as much as they are praised, Ghost Bears are heavily favored units-wise and all but not so much in novels, Smoke Jaguars were never really praised in any novels, Nova Cats are iffy because of their decisions you can either like or dislike them, Steel Vipers and Hell's Horses were never really seen as "good guys" either.
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Nightward
02/27/05 06:04 AM
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The Wolves, who earned Kerensky's genes.
The Wolves, who were kept small throughout history because of ongoing trials for possession of Kerensky's genes.
The Wolves, who are seasoned quickly by such trials.
The Wolves, who faced slightly weaker opposition but learned nd adapted to enemy tactics.
And who provided the same data to everyone else but were ignored.
Etc etc etc.
The Wolves were a favoured affiliation up until Malicious Intent. After that, they kept getting screwed over. Read "Roar of Honour". The Ghost Bears halved the Wolves' Occupation Zone in that novel, "because".
The Wolves, who will be opposed by ComStar, the FRR, and the Ghost Bear Dominion if they did decide to continue the invasion. IMO, Vlad just sounded off about that as a political manouvre. He's nobody's fool.
It sounds like you may not have the full story on the Wolves. Believe me, they are now screwed.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
02/27/05 12:27 PM
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Screwed or not, that isn't the debate. They have still been heavily favored compared to other clans in terms of popularity with novels and such. Being an "author's favorite" because so much happens thats related to Clan Wolf. You don't see other clans getting nearly as much attention as they do.
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Nightward
02/28/05 02:38 AM
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No, not at all.
They've never written books just about the Ghost Bears, or just about the Steel Vipers, or just about the Smoke Jaguars, or just about the Jade Falcons, or just about the Nova Cats.
Oh, wait.
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In the present, whenever the Wolves are written about, it is only in passing, and they always loose. I fail to see what your point is.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
02/28/05 10:27 PM
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They've never written books just about the Ghost Bears, or just about the Steel Vipers, or just about the Smoke Jaguars, or just about the Jade Falcons, or just about the Nova Cats.
I never said JUST the wolves. Every Clan you listed has been in novels, not always depicting them in a favorable role. The wolves get more publicity than any other clan and that publicity is, far more often than not, good publicity.
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In the present, whenever the Wolves are written about, it is only in passing, and they always loose. I fail to see what your point is.
No one said in the present. And they don't always LOSE (not loose) even with Vlad being able to take Katrina in one of the last novels ever made he won because Victor and the rest of them couldn't do anything to keep him from taking her.
The point is, as perviously stated- "The wolves get more publicity than any other clan and that publicity is, far more often than not, good publicity."
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Nightward
02/28/05 11:44 PM
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Hmm. Let's see about that.
Clan Wolf: Blood of Kerensky, Natural Selection, Malicious Intent, a bit in Twighlight of the Clans.
Jade Falcon: Jade Phoenix Trilogy, I Am Jade Falcon, two books from Twighlight of the Clans, a fair bit in the FedCom Civil War (esp. Operation Audacity), etc etc etc.
Hmm. Who has more books written about them?
JStallion, come back when you can actually present an argument. The Jade Falcons have had more books dedicated to them than any other Clan and have appeared as minor players in many more.
The Wolves have not had a single novel solely dedicated to them.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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Greyslayer
03/01/05 04:37 PM
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The Wolves have not had a single novel solely dedicated to them.
and lets not forget the *ahem* 'Cartoon'. Who was in that again? Oh yes the Lime Green Curried Chickens .
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Nightward
03/01/05 05:02 PM
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Yeah, well. Logic isn't exactly a commodity this thread overflows with...
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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JStallion
03/01/05 06:58 PM
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Clan Wolf: Blood of Kerensky, Natural Selection, Malicious Intent, a bit in Twighlight of the Clans.
Read what I say before you TRY and make an arguement against it. As I said before, Wolf's Dragoons and Wolf-In-Exile are both apart of the overall Wolf Clan publicity.
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Hmm. Who has more books written about them?
If only naming off who has more books about them is your only arguement, try and make it an arguement against everything I said instead of cherry-picking it. Include all the books about Wolf's Dragoons as well. As much as I don't like MWDA, look who aomong the clans they featured the most of in their begining novels? decendents of the wolves. Plus there are other things I named off you can't seem to address.
I really don't care what you have to say in return, it is obvious the Wolves are the most popular.
You and greyslayer are in almost every arguement on here trying to prove things the way you see them when its pointless to even do so, you also try and U.S. bash in other threads when no one from the U.S. cares what you have to say. I really don't get why you guys argue about everything, if someone says something or has an oppinion you don't like, why do you feel you're obligated to add your input.
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Wraith
03/01/05 07:11 PM
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While Wolf's Dragoons came from Clan Wolf, I really don't think a book about them is really publicity for Clan Wolf. How many casual BT readers would even know that WD came from CW? That's like saying that any book about the US is publicity for England, since the US once was a colony.
-Wraith
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Greyslayer
03/01/05 08:11 PM
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Read what I say before you TRY and make an arguement against it. As I said before, Wolf's Dragoons and Wolf-In-Exile are both apart of the overall Wolf Clan publicity.
While I would agree that WIE would be a part of the Wolf Clan (basically being the ying/yang of the same clan situation) I would say that something as foreign to the clans as a merc unit can no longer be really considered part of wolf clan.
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If only naming off who has more books about them is your only arguement, try and make it an arguement against everything I said instead of cherry-picking it. Include all the books about Wolf's Dragoons as well. As much as I don't like MWDA, look who aomong the clans they featured the most of in their begining novels? decendents of the wolves. Plus there are other things I named off you can't seem to address.
Ewww , stooping to using MW:DA in an argument, certainly fighting from the back foot ;P. Books may not need to be novels, source books involving Jade Falcons primarily would probably outnumber source books involving Wolves primarily (if you get past your infatuation as claiming Wolf Dragoons as clan Wolf that is).
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I really don't care what you have to say in return, it is obvious the Wolves are the most popular.
Obvious to whom? There are three frontline clans: Wolf, Falcon and Ghost Bear. Many could argue any of them are the actual favourites with specific examples ie those Mechwarrior novels had a few involving Ghost Bear. Meanwhile Jade Falcon featured in nearly every single sourcebook several years back up until about operation Bulldog.
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You and greyslayer are in almost every arguement on here trying to prove things the way you see them
So you are saying in a discussion forum things cannot be discussed? What a novel concept *lol*
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you also try and U.S. bash in other threads when no one from the U.S. cares what you have to say.
As if anyone would want to hear negative comments to go against the propaganda, but to the crux here. Generally I respond to a mistaken belief or poorly used example. For example having real live recon experience may not help you in a game of battletech the systems are ver 'foreign' to each other.... so the use of that example could be attacked on that basis.
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I really don't get why you guys argue about everything, if someone says something or has an oppinion you don't like, why do you feel you're obligated to add your input.
Because *duh* this is a forum, a place used to discuss ideas, ask questions and to give answers. Its not that hard even for a clan 'fanboy' . If you do not like reading posts like this then all I can say is to IGNORE them, don't respond, we are not here simply for YOUR viewing pleasure.
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JStallion
03/01/05 08:53 PM
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While I would agree that WIE would be a part of the Wolf Clan (basically being the ying/yang of the same clan situation) I would say that something as foreign to the clans as a merc unit can no longer be really considered part of wolf clan.
I wasn't trying to say that they are considered part of them, but because they came from the wolves, not any other clan, that they are linked to clan wolf and that furthers how clan wolf is favored a lot in addition to other things i mentioned.
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Ewww , stooping to using MW:DA in an argument, certainly fighting from the back foot ;P. Books may not need to be novels, source books involving Jade Falcons primarily would probably outnumber source books involving Wolves primarily (if you get past your infatuation as claiming Wolf Dragoons as clan Wolf that is).
Yeah I know the MWDA was a bit extreme, sorry about that one , but it all goes towards the same point.
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Obvious to whom? There are three frontline clans: Wolf, Falcon and Ghost Bear. Many could argue any of them are the actual favourites with specific examples ie those Mechwarrior novels had a few involving Ghost Bear. Meanwhile Jade Falcon featured in nearly every single sourcebook several years back up until about operation Bulldog.
Obvious to anyone who knows what they're talking about and doesn't argue over it just to argue.
Key word there about the Ghost Bears is they had a FEW novels, not much more than a handful if even that.
How did Jade Falcon feature in "nearly every single" sourcebook? They had their sourcebook, the wolves had theirs, there was the invading clans one, crusader clans field manual and a couple others. I really don't see the Falcons favored anymore than another clan in those.
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So you are saying in a discussion forum things cannot be discussed? What a novel concept *lol*
Discussing and arguing about everything are different, maybe....just maybe one day you'll realize that.
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As if anyone would want to hear negative comments to go against the propaganda, but to the crux here. Generally I respond to a mistaken belief or poorly used example. For example having real live recon experience may not help you in a game of battletech the systems are ver 'foreign' to each other.... so the use of that example could be attacked on that basis.
I think you're trying to go back to that protomech arguement with that one, if not then I'm not sure which you're refering to. But on that subject if someone prefers battle armor over protomechs and can probably use them with better tactics (more with familiarity there) than they could with protomechs, whats the harm done? Theres no reason to call someone wrong for a preference on things. You might as well argue about light mechs vs medium mechs as to which is a better scout instead of proto vs battle armor. There can always be arguements for either but preference is preference and it would be pointless to argue against someone who likes to do things a certain way when they might do it just as effective.
About real life experience- I wouldn't argue about that because I agree with that one, a game is a game, and real life is far different from this abstract version of it.
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Because *duh* this is a forum, a place used to discuss ideas, ask questions and to give answers.
Again, discussing and arguing are different. you guys often argue with people and team up to attack them because you know each other in life (not saying its planned, but its usually 2v1 in every arguement, such as you coming in on this one when you weren't involved to begin with).
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Its not that hard even for a clan 'fanboy' .
When you assume things you only make an ASSofUandME....ASS-U-ME, hopefully your brain will work overtime and can catch that one. Federated Suns are my favorite fluff-wise but I still appreciate how much the clans added to Battletech.
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If you do not like reading posts like this then all I can say is to IGNORE them, don't respond, we are not here simply for YOUR viewing pleasure.
LMAO, take your own advice. If you dont like someone's oppinion it doesn't mean for you to comment on it all the time or put in your own input. IGNORE them, don't respond, posts and oppinions are not simply here for YOUR arguementative personality.
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Greyslayer
03/01/05 09:46 PM
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How did Jade Falcon feature in "nearly every single" sourcebook? They had their sourcebook, the wolves had theirs, there was the invading clans one, crusader clans field manual and a couple others. I really don't see the Falcons favored anymore than another clan in those.
Basically ones like Coventry, *cringe* Sommerset Strikers, etc...
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Discussing and arguing about everything are different, maybe....just maybe one day you'll realize that.
As such my arguing is only your opinion, which like everything else may only be relevant to yourself. Much like I realise mine is.
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I think you're trying to go back to that protomech arguement with that one,
It was a familiar base to use but I didn't want to directly refer to the discussion itself.
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Theres no reason to call someone wrong for a preference on things.
If someone goes 'I am completely right' yet can be shown to be wrong then you can always call them wrong. Its not a matter of preference but whether the correct information is being presented, ie if you look when I first jumped into this part of the thread I really was attacking Wolves for their dodgey setup with Nagas.
I personally thought they should've been 'nerfed' on that alone, nor am I upset that they were 'nerfed'. This brings me into direct conflict with Nightward rather than what you have been saying.
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There can always be arguements for either but preference is preference and it would be pointless to argue against someone who likes to do things a certain way when they might do it just as effective.
This is true provided they do not completely misrepresent the facts to do so, rather than attack the preference I prefer to attack the validity of their representation. If for example you prefer the LRM10 over the LRM5 then that is fine but if you were to say it is at least twice as good then obviously prepare for a nuking
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About real life experience- I wouldn't argue about that because I agree with that one, a game is a game, and real life is far different from this abstract version of it.
Being a grunt doesn't make you Rommel as they say
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Again, discussing and arguing are different. you guys often argue with people and team up to attack them because you know each other in life (not saying its planned, but its usually 2v1 in every arguement, such as you coming in on this one when you weren't involved to begin with).
When I first met nightward you couldn't pry Mad Cats from his fingers, nowadays he at least has broadened his horizons and even likes Shadowhawks . When we join forces as such there might be, as you said, an anti-american path to this, usually due to someone wrongly posting certain pro-american stuff which we knew to be false or trying to bring american stuff into the battletech world which we both agree is not the same place as the real world.
Also if the argument was solely between yourself and nightward then myself nor anyone else would see it since you guys would've taken it to private messages.
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When you assume things you only make an ASSofUandME....ASS-U-ME, hopefully your brain will work overtime and can catch that one. Federated Suns are my favorite fluff-wise but I still appreciate how much the clans added to Battletech.
What you say you post and what has been posted though are two totally different things, most of your posts that I have come across seemed to be clan orientated, I personally don't have a problem with this and if anyone labelled me a 3025 fanboy I wouldn't take offence anyway, and while you say the clans added I say the clans took away .
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LMAO, take your own advice. If you dont like someone's oppinion it doesn't mean for you to comment on it all the time or put in your own input. IGNORE them, don't respond, posts and oppinions are not simply here for YOUR arguementative personality.
In fact they can be , but if we look at this example of this sub-thread I posted a couple against Wolves, one for Wolves and one joke post about the 'cartoon' which was supporting my beef with Jade Falcon writers. Suddenly I am 'supporting' Nightward and forcing our opinion on people when all I am showing is that there are alternatives to the views present ie that Jade Falcons did have alot of literature published etc.
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Nightward
03/02/05 03:09 AM
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Seriously, JS. If you look at the numbers, the Jade Falcons have had far and away more novels and sourcebooks written about them (or at the least featuring them) than do the Wolves.
In fact, that Wolves have never even had a novel solely devoted to them and them alone, whilst the Falcons have had several.
The Wolves, Ghost Bears, and Smoke Jaguars all have a similar amount of material written about them.
Clan Ghost Bear has clearly been a favoured species of late, also. Their Clan is suddenly the largest and most powerful, managed to HALVE the Wolf Clan's occupation zone, and has only been strengthened (instead of weakened) by leaving the Homeworlds. This is to say nothing of the fact that the Bears now enfold the FRR, being happy Norse space communists.
When the Bears were first written about, they were the second most brutal of the Clans, willing to bomb cities into rubble and slaughter civilians to get their way. They were the second harshest on their civilians. And yet, a few novels later, the Bears have revolutionised themselves and become Assualt-Mech piloting, serene Mother Theresa warriors beloved by their civilian castes.
What?
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And Scott? You can pry my Timber Wolfs from my cold, dead hands
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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The_Gangster_of_Boats
03/03/05 02:10 AM
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I'm a Steel Viper nut. Been doing the Khan thing with my gaming group.
Don't run, you'll just die tired.
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Thor_Mech
03/03/05 11:57 PM
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Hmmm. Early on, I think the Wolves definately had an edge in terms of familiarity. After all, the entire Blood of Kerensky trilogy featured the Wolves, and a large number of "famous" characters are in fact Wolves. (Natasha Kerensky, Phelan Ward, etc.) However, there seems to be a recent trend to try and "fluff" out some of the other Clans. Some Clans still are hidden in the mists of obscurity, with no major novel on them, but Clans like Steel Viper, Ghost Bear, Jade Falcon are getting a bit more limelight. Anyhow, that's my 2 C-Bills worth.
P.S. Likewise, I think they're doing the same thing with the Inner Sphere, or at least they were before this entire God-forsaken Hell-hole known as MW:DA. CapCon was no longer a poor weakened shell in the fight vs. St. Ives and Dagger Point. Marik was no longer the wallflower due to the Knights of the Inner Sphere and novels like Star Lord. Rasalhauge seems to have fallen off the face of the map... but I ramble.
"Even after all these years, walking through the ranks of 'Mechs still gives me the chills"
- Intelligence Secretary Justin Xiang Allard
Outreach, 21, Sept 3051
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Nightward
03/04/05 05:54 AM
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Problem, IMO, is speed. The CapCon amazingly managed to grow by a number of regiments (and picked up phenomenal technology).
And we won't even go into the Word of Blake's sudden, exponential growth and deployment of WarShips...
The Free Worlds League has always been a bit of a no-show, which is a pity given the diversity of the realm.
The FRR has really ever only been a bunch of Vikings with a limitless hatred of Mercenaries, protected soely because of ComStar. There's really not too much you can do with that, especially now when you can count their planetary systems without taking your shoes off
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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villagereaver
03/11/05 03:33 PM
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My favourite house would be the FRR. I also have enjoyed the dragon. As for the clans, i liked wolf, bear and wolverine (aka not-named or Minnesota tribe).
Now for mercenary units i was always drawn to the unit crests of Hansen's Roughriders and the Narhal Raiders. Plus they weren't the "god" units. i.e. Kill Hounds, Wolf's Dungheads, ELH, Buttwind Highlanders, Team BB (copyright infringement), Snord's Ear-boogers. You know the ones with phantom mech, clan tech, more than 3 regiments of mechs, or any other story-line ruining features.
Death to all BT and MW authors. For they are the bane of all that is good about the genre!
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
03/12/05 09:09 AM
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Somewhat agreed about the Mercenary units that seem unable to lose... It gets predictable and I know the authors are trying to romanticize and humanize the merc units lifestyle but let's be realistic... They're in it for the money and more often than not are not up to elite snuff... They're good, let's face it they have to be just to survive but that's not to say they can take and do what some of these units have done and the fact that some seem to now care about the state of things in the sphere... it's BS! For a merc to care about political stability would be like a death wish- Face it, in stability there is no money to be made... I wish they had left the lines as they were, I still love the wolf, hate the green chickens and what has become of the bears, disagree with the sudden explosion that is WOB, and wish there were more fluff out there for the so-called "minor clans" and houses (FRR, periperhy, Goliath Scorpions, Hell's Horses)... I'd like to believe the story is setting up for a comstar war and the revival of the wolf and re-initiation of the invasion and the destruction of a house or two, but now that the accursed MW:DA has been released it is becoming painfully clear that the story has been groomed to pave the way for this blasphemy of a once rich and great storyline... Oh how I yearn for 3052 and previous secnarios, characters, and storylines...
-Wolf
War Never Determines who is right, only who is left.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing-Darth Vader"
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UncaRat
03/16/05 05:09 AM
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Veteran looks over at the new recruit, pauses, then nods. "See I told you things'd heat up. But if you keep your head you'll do all right."
On a seperate note the factions are all equiped with some backers. From my point of view the Wolves get more favorable press in the NOVELS, but as some people point out the novels are not the game. After the novels are dropped I think things are relatively even handed. That said I should mention that I always felt that the Jade Falcons were not well served by thier Kahn in the invasion (WARNING OPINION: the man as described is a political rotter not realy a soldier). The other clans at that time have soldiers as leaders.
On the subject of the Ghost Bears change. Could that be the rise to power of a new group? is there any info that would support such a speculation, absent of that it would be a pretty radical change.
As for mercs who can't loose. What's the surprise? The lead unit of a novel might be destroied, but only if the novel focuses on the aftermath. Still I would expect reverses to be more common, especialy against well supplied house units.
A note on skill levels of units; large stationary garisson units only fight if attacked, smaller more mobile units can at some point try to get were the battle is. Transportation limits strongly suggest this.
With no supporting evidence at all this leads me to believe that small mobile units are likely to be used to train up the warriors skills and allow the larger units to rotate thier personel in and out of battle. I believe I remember some effort in this direction by the Kell Hounds after the clans lost the big T.
This might account for an unusualy skillful group showing up as opponents. But as you say some writers novels do favor one group over another.
As for 3025 secnarios, charecters, and storylines . . . Go back my son, but go carefully! Some of that is 'Bad Country'
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Rorahusky
06/23/05 12:21 PM
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My favorite Clan: Clan Nova Cat. Something about the spiritualism just strikes me, and the way they conducted themselves when the SLDF went to crush the Smoke Jaguars was brilliant.
As for my favorite House, I'd have to say Federated Commonwealth, before that ***** came along and wrecked it with her scheming against her own flesh and blood.
Fav Periphery? Hmmm... I'd have to say the Magistry of Canopus.
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Nightward
06/26/05 01:41 AM
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Thread necromancy, for fun (possibly) and profit!
I haven't been following this for a while, largely because it was heading into a flamewar. But now things have had time to cool off a bit.
Re the Bears: Not really. When he first appeared, Bjorn Jorgenssen (Ghost Bear Khan) was depicted as a brutal warlord. The direction changed there with the Invading Clans sourcebook, probably because they wanted to differentiate the Smoke Jaguars from the Ghost Bears. You can really only have one repressive genocidal regime running around before the idea gets stale.
As for the roatational troops duty, spot on. However, some outfits (like the Sword of Light, Davion Guard, Lyran Guard, etc) are the dedicated frontline of major assualts, and do most of their operational excercises and training in units upwards of a batallion. Back in 3025, a Company or Batallion of 'Mechs was an incredible amount of hardware to be tossing around, let alone Regimental formations. The Clan War changes that, though.
The Cats are interesting, and I'd have liked to see them get a bit more airplay. Given their role in founding the Clans, though, we might get to see some action there if they translate that CBT novel into English.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
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tbird89
06/27/05 11:05 PM
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i've always loved comstar, even after anastasius reformed it (nope, not a wobbie like chetter) and i like the way that it's always been shown realisicly, not some super force, capable of killing mech regiments with their bare hands *Cough* Allard-Liao*cough*
why? becuase. jesus told me to. and you wanna know something else that jesus told me? he said that everytime it rains, it's becuase god is crying over something u did. because god hates you.
so does superman
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fenix
08/24/05 12:00 AM
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I haven't followed the novels for a while but I read the 'Warrior' series and I am a big fan of the 3025 era rulebook side notes and background. Things got a little too complicated with the Clan invasion and I simply didn't have the time or resources to keep up with the huge amount of new data to process... so as of 3025, my likes and dislikes...
fave Clan... um... Wolf I think because they use lots of Madcats which are awesome... Clan politics is all wierd and psychopathic to me so I can't use the political stances as justification for that pick.
with the houses, things get a little deeper. I have always liked Steiner because of the five warlords from the origional game, Katrina seemed to be the only one able to look past the ego issues and try to stop the wars. They get their butts kicked because of incompetent leadership, but they seem 'good' to me and they invented the Commando - a cool little mech - maybe not the most efficient I just think they look neat and punch hard for their size.
I think Kurita is too extreme with the whole bushido thing. controlling cult-like cultures as a power base is never something I have been a fan of, but you got to admit they are fierce. Dragons and Jenners are also both killer mechs in that tech level, but they do have the whole Kentares massacre to atone for - hardly a 'noble warrior code' is it? so I gotta respect them, I just dont gotta like them.
Davion I think is an arrogant jerk. Its easy to pretend to be the heroic goodguy type when you have the biggest army but I think there's a modern world equivalent to the United States of Davion and their sometimes questionable 'goodness' backed up by a lot of intimidation. Maybe that's why I don't like em.
Marik got off light from the clan invasion, so they are in the position to help out all the other houses and appear benevolent, but the old Cranston Snord's Irregulars book made me think Janos was kind of a shady bastard and an idiot who lets himself be made fool of over and over.
Liao is fun to like because they are the underdogs, but also the most fanatic and overconfident. Good mechwarriors (they would have to be to take Vindicators up against all comers), lousy mechs, crazy rulers... hmmm... i think I will pass
mercs: Cranston Snord's Irregulars (3025) cause they're all so goofy and quirky. A lot of good background story and character. It seems the writers kind of changed the background when the clan thing happened, because the origional storyline ran that Cranston won his mech gambling... none of this Wolfe's Dragoon secret agent stuff... oh well revisionist history is what it is... Nobody knew Natasha was a clanner either...
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