NeverSayNever
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[off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
#148445 - 09/29/07 10:55 AM (78.49.152.30)
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... (gaming / forums) history tends to repeat itself.
I spent some time at the Invas..., sorry, I mean "that other game"['s]  forums pages ( http://www.invasion3042.com/forums/ ).
While browsing through some threads at "that other game"['s] forums I noticed a couple of strange déjà-vu feelings.
Looks like the 'fan boy' crowd is still going strong at "that other game"['s] forums - just like it used to be at sarna.net back when Nev was young and the future of Nev and its admins looked promising.
Basically every time someone dares to criticize the creator / admin of "that other game" - or a specific part of "that other game"['s] design -, at "that other game"['s] forums['s] a loyal 'fan boy' shows up and starts defending his idol / icon / game, which kind of reminds me of the good old days at sarna, you know, back when Kitfox - and Mattbuck as well -, used to be loyal admin 'fan boys'  .
In addition it looks like the 'source of all man-made evil' (AKA the money, SCNR  ) already started to infect / infiltrate the minds and or the dreams / visions of the people at "that other game" too.
For your information, we call our official admin-controlled (and -sold) magic, Donation Points (DPs), people playing "that other game" call their official admin-controlled (and -sold) magic, I-Points (IPs).
Different names but pretty much the very same basic concept - and pretty much the same intoxicating side effects to be feared in the long run, like people starting to take things way too seriously - at least if you are thinking about playing a (war) 'game' -, particularly if something - or somebody -, endangers their - more or less massive -, DP / IP 'investment'.
Sigh, you know, the old story, if there is way too much real life money involved / 'invested', then even a (war) 'game' starts losing its innocence - and soon all that is left is people defending their virtual assets - by all means -, if necessary ...
BTW, looks like 'inflation', errr, sorry, we better call it an official price increase, errr, sorry, I mean price 'adjustment', just struck "that other game", because the price for the introduction and implementation of a new custom Mech design at "that other game" just doubled (old price 250 AUD, new price 500 AUD).
Any nev-related déjà-vu feelings regarding Mech price adjustments ?
Plus it looks like yet another man-made / player-made 'plague': 'munchkinism' - and maybe a general 'win at all costs'-attitude too, already managed to find a way to migrate to "that other game"  .
Just take a look at the 'Anti-Munchkin-Comittee' thread located at "that other game"['s] forums.
Why talk about forming a 'Anti-Munchkin-Comittee' if there is no real need to deal with munchkinism, be it now or in the near future?
Welcome to "that other game" - and welcome to the same - or at least pretty similar -, problems as well ...
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Gangrel
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#148447 - 09/29/07 12:33 PM (80.138.117.40)
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You can't realy make a "better" community if the same people stick together in both sides. Add people who start defensive threads as soon as someone dares to say anything against these blocks and you have the same crap all over again 
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cbtgod
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[Re: Gangrel]
#148448 - 09/30/07 03:50 AM (97.97.246.88)
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at least in invasion the admins answer tickets and TRY to solve problems and POST UPDATES omg what a concept?
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Gangrel
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148449 - 09/30/07 11:39 AM (80.138.103.134)
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I don't think that it was questioned that they do a much better job than wayward atm. The Dev/User Communication is pretty good actually.
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mattbuck
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: Gangrel]
#148463 - 10/01/07 04:42 PM (128.243.220.42)
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Meh, who cares.
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bingo
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[Re: mattbuck]
#148476 - 10/02/07 02:36 PM (210.15.225.130)
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Way to go NSN, firstly you posted this in the wrong forums, shouldnt it be on the invasion forums?
Secondly way to paraphrase about 100 posts on about 5 different topics.
Perhaps you can add a stat like, The invasion forums have had more posts in one day than sarna has had in a month?
That in Invasion they have at least 1 admin active in the chat room pretty much 24x7 ?
anyways this doesnt belong here, this is for all things GLORIOUS that is NEVERON!
Bring back pirates!
Bingo
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Dee
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[Re: bingo]
#148493 - 10/04/07 04:58 AM (24.224.249.195)
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a shit playerbase is a shit playerbase, no matter what game they want to say they love.
Neveron's playerbase has been complete and utter suck for a good long while now and, surprise, most of that playerbase went to the other game!
Does anyone actually believe that things won't go exactly the same as it did in neveron when it comes to the players?
It's why I stopped playing it.
I don't want to play another Neveron, even if it has a new name and new owners. I'm not that much of a masochist.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Dee]
#148496 - 10/04/07 01:54 PM (97.97.246.88)
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yep dee 100% right all the assholes that were in neveron are in invasion 3042. so it will only be a matter of time before it turns out to be just like neveron.
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Katrar
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: cbtgod]
#148498 - 10/04/07 07:26 PM (67.165.119.152)
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Though I no longer play this game, I do out of curiosity read the forums from time to time. I'd like to make a few comments on these ill informed opinions of Invasion 3042 and its community.
Yes there are occasionally flare ups between players there, much like here. However they generally end reasonably quickly.
Players that hated eachother here get along remarkably well in main chat over there. Some of them may individually be "assholes", and many would likely peg me with that title as well, but that hasn't stopped people from enjoying the game and the community.
I was a long long standing detractor of Neveron's community. However my opinion has changed. It's Randy and Wayward's fault, not yours. Players here began tearing eachothers' throats out because of the realities and pains of the game, not because Neveron somehow managed to attract the most bitterly antisocial people in the world.
Invasion 3042 players are normal. And you that are still here are normal too. It's the behavior that the games themselves elicit that is different.
The more time I have spent away from Neveron, and its something like 3 or 4 months now I think, the more I realize that most of the players I hated, and that hated me, aren't all that bad. It's Neveron and the way it forced us to ruin eachother that is bad.
I believe this because by and large I see these players, the ones that migrated, in a different light. The hate that was directly transplanted from this community has slowly over time dissipated. It still exists, yes, but to a much smaller degree and getting smaller by the month.
It's been like detox. And its working.
Nobody monitors these forums anymore so I don't feel any danger in saying Neveron is the ill that has afflicted its own community. It's not your fault.
I hope you all garner what enjoyment you can from the game while it is still around, sincerely. And I hope that if the time comes, those of you that would still like to play a web cbt game give Invasion another shot.
Regards,
Kato
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Highlander3055
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: Dee]
#148502 - 10/05/07 03:49 PM (24.123.199.146)
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So Dee,
Are you gone and I can attack you empires, like you did while I was away on active duty?
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cbtgod
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[Re: Highlander3055]
#148508 - 10/06/07 12:00 PM (97.97.246.88)
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hmmmmmmmmm asshole in neveron = asshole in invasion 3042 = asshole in real life its pretty easy no matter how you want to try to sugar coat it
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Katrar
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148510 - 10/06/07 12:50 PM (67.165.119.152)
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You miss the point, cbtgod. Jerks from neveron that transplant to Invasion 3042 are becoming less so by the week.
Neveron is a massive fraud/sham being perpetrated on those that still play it, and game systems that exist only to ensure your misery and to outright deny good gamesmanship make otherwise normal human beings act like vindictive cornered animals here.
A small number of assholes on neveron are probably assholes IRL, but most of them have over time become the way they are thanks to a bullshit game, its bullshit owners, bullshit design and just plain bullshit.
Neveron is a cancer on the entire online CBT community and the sooner it dies the better off we will all be.
Randy and Wayward should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for the terrible open sore they have inflicted upon this once cohesive community.
But of course they don't give a shit, never have and never will.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Katrar]
#148511 - 10/06/07 02:49 PM (97.97.246.88)
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no i got your point mine was the same assholes in neveron are in invasion 3042. time will tell if that player base will get rid of them instead of neveron syndrom of assholes are accepted? so wws when you shutting down neveron just curious?
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mattbuck
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148516 - 10/06/07 06:19 PM (128.243.220.42)
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Meh, I just quit 3042 because I couldn't be bothered with it anymore. Nev will follow someday.
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Highlander3055
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148518 - 10/06/07 09:17 PM (24.123.199.146)
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He'll never tell, so the people with subscriptions can keep paying. When was the last time anyone heard from WWS?....
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bingo
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[Re: Highlander3055]
#148525 - 10/07/07 05:12 AM (121.44.227.99)
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You know CBTgod (what an ironic name because its obvious you couldnt give a crap about CBT, about a game that has documents upon documents of plans relating to how it follows the rules of battletech. Invasion at least is made by gamers for games)
have you thought that this is exacty the image that your protraying by saying and sprouting this kind of crap, calling people assholes because they play another game?
I personally, have had two totally different gaming experiences, that of Neveron which to be honest i wish i didnt, and that of Invasion 3042, where the chat room ive found to be pretty cool, and of course my help tickets which get answered within a day at the longest.
Say what you will CBTgod (still laughing at your name) but thats the way I see it. People liek you are the reason nev sucked balls, and as the evil Noccer man said, the game itself is so shit it aint funny.
Bingo
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cbtgod
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: bingo]
#148527 - 10/07/07 06:34 AM (97.97.246.88)
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bingo has got to have a 72 IQ. i started playing cbt when it wasnt even cbt i was a play tester i think almost 24-25 yrs ago. as far as the asshole remark well i guess you are one? i play invasion 3042 . my remark was not you are an asshole to play it you are an asshole period. as in the person it self not the game. no were in any of my posts did i call someone an asshole for playing invasion 3042 i said the same people that are ashholes in neveron act the same in invasion. deedeedee big time l8r hooked on phonics can be fun for you! 
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NeverSayNever
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, and ...
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#148798 - 11/25/07 01:19 PM (78.55.28.117)
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... so it begins (introduction of planetary invasions (Nov, 23rd, 2007)) - and the first 'victim of circumstances' appears to have been the Free Rasalhague Republic (FRR), please feel free to check out the corresponding "Rasalhague" thread at "that other game's forums":
http://www.invasion3042.com/forums/
BTW, do you remember the canon / official BT history / timeline?
Looks like the storyline at "that other game" kind of mimics / partially replays what happened in the canon / official BT history / timeline (AFAIK and IIRC FRR got hit hard and decimated by clan attacks early on) .
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NeverSayNever
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums (Rasalhague incident)
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#148799 - 11/25/07 01:30 PM (78.55.28.117)
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What if at least some of the now disappointed / disgruntled / frustrated players / victims of circumstances from the latest Rasalhague incident at "that other game" decide to migrate back (home?) to Neveron ?
Coming soon? A new faction at Neveron for all the disappointed Rasalhague refugees from "that other game", e.g. named "Free Rasalhague Republic (Invasion 3042, Refugee Camp)" ?
Edited by NeverSayNever (11/25/07 01:37 PM)
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bingo
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums (Rasalhague incident)
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#148800 - 11/25/07 05:39 PM (210.15.225.130)
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In the other game if you are killed off you go to a nice safe place to rebuild without threat of continual attack and then you can rejoin again when you think your ready..... I should know its happend to me already.
Honestly i think all invasion players have at least tried neveron before and have left.
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mattbuck
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums (Rasalhague incident)
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#148801 - 11/25/07 05:53 PM (128.243.220.41)
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Sorry, but Rasalhague is part of Legion. It was the old old 2Legion, which eventually got merged, reformed, etc etc.
And NSN, you do not help anything.
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Katrar
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[Re: Highlander3055]
#148804 - 11/25/07 11:21 PM (24.17.223.10)
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NSN, you need to get off the fence.
You hate Neveron. I mean really hate it. I love Neveron but hate what has happened to it. You hate Neveron.
And you hate Invasion 3042 despite having never really been a player.
You sure do spend a lot of time and energy decrying two games that you apparently hate. So why bother?
Why don't you find a new home? It's obvious that you aren't happy here, there, or anywhere that shares our common playerbase.
I'd recommend you leave and find a place to exist that is more in tune with your interests.
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Toscotto
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[Re: Katrar]
#148806 - 11/26/07 12:08 PM (199.68.81.105)
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sadly, i aggree with Katrar.
(shivers)
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cbtgod
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[Re: Toscotto]
#148807 - 11/27/07 06:10 AM (97.97.246.88)
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amen can i get a witness heeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee and for the more blunt way to say it kick rocks man if you hate neveron. to be honest do you even have an empire? have you ever ran a faction? bottom line as Katrar has said take a hike. well....he was more polite.
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: [off topic]"... that other game['s] ..." forums, or ...
[Re: cbtgod]
#148814 - 11/29/07 08:47 PM (71.62.40.85)
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lol, I was googling some BT stuff and came across Sarna. Decided to check in and see what was new.
Absolutely nothing...
I see the same people being the same negative people they were when I was still playing. I am now a player in Invasions3042. The game is a breath of fresh air. Its a PvP game, so there will definitely be some tensions; but nothing like Neveron.
I think the greatest form of flattery is that the Neveron community (that is trying desperately to hold on to a dying and mismanaged game) is talking about Invasion3042.
Kudos... I hope to see you all in this new game; you may just be surprised at how well it is done.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#148821 - 12/01/07 02:33 AM (97.97.246.88)
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LOL OMG and yet another invasion 3042 person in the neveron forums omg. yeah i think ill find all the nice things that you guys coming back to this game have had to say about neveron and post them here. got so bad admins started telling people to stf about neveron. to be honest makes me sick big time. i never once said anything neg in the invasion forums. but plenty had plenty to say and even now have come back to neveron. yeah invasion ohhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhh yeah buy a tank an cant use it bought one 6 months ago ohhhhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. maint rates go up as your pilot gets better? yeah he needs more whores as a 2-2 lol. OMG *falls out of his chair giggling*.
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bingo
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148822 - 12/01/07 03:45 AM (59.167.143.151)
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As the "alleged" CBTgod, LOL your name still makes me laugh.....
I personally prefer Nev, but i gotta say, Invasion has some bonuses, like, OMG water hexes! Have you played and used the combat map on invasion, Nev is like playing on a Atari 2600.
If you CBTgod had a choice what would you pick? the ability to pick the skills you want your force at, and have it stay there? or have it random and then degrade over a very short period?
Ok, GG nice try.
Please come back when your head is out of Randy's ass.
And When CBTgod did you get a help ticket last answered in Neveron? kk GG 2 - Nil
Bingo
PS i personally find the mech side of things far more refeshing than massed HNT attacks.... 3- Nil LOL
need i go on?
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Malachi
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[Re: bingo]
#148823 - 12/01/07 04:51 AM (86.2.121.92)
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Err CBTgod, the maint system is quite good. It represents the cost in continual training increasing. The better a pilot is the more time he needs and the better facilities he needs to maintain his level of prowess. I also agree with Bingo, i would prefer to fight against other mechs in similar numbers rather than vehicle hoardes. I have said this on here before and have suggested a system where once a war is declared no commisioning is allowed. There are flaws with this that would have to be addressed of course.
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cbtgod
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[Re: Malachi]
#148824 - 12/01/07 05:45 AM (97.97.246.88)
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lol act game that old woman play in church "bingo" is more funny than mine. as far as my remarks im just tired of people ragging on either game and then coming back to the game they talked shit about? ive never said anything in the invasion forums about neveron that was neg. neveron has its issues but yet you still play yes? and like bingos above post shows the double digit side of people one has to ask why does he play if it so bad? i act had a help ticket answ 2 weeks ago. again double digit you cant compare an old code to a new one? as far as game mechanics i disagree with both of you. if it was up to me it would be like cbt. you only gain skills for kills. again you mentioned randy? pull your own head out of your ass randys been gone a long time almost a 1yr now ? its wws and from what i hear xeno is the first player admin. hmmmmmmmmm malachi you must mean the old bv boost trick comm a hord of vechs so you cant be surr as fast? i agree with that there should be a limit to it some how. so what have we learned today as always a double digit 17 yr old will have witty remarks which have no real meaning. and then we have malachi a neveron vet of yrs with a rather more mature response with act reasons behind them? the CBTGOD nickname was given to me yrs ago in our cbt game group this was due to being undefeated in our solarce 7 camp. i was also one of the very few that was allowed to playtest cbt back when it was in conception 24-25 yrs ago.
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Tien_Lung
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148825 - 12/01/07 11:10 AM (75.152.199.116)
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Neveron needs to be put out of its misery. Shut it down. It's antiquated, and even if it was resotred to the system of its hay day minus crippling lag and hundreds of bugs it wouldn't have enough of an audience to make it worth the effort. WWS, Randy, and anyone else reading these forums knows what the players want fixed. Shut down Neveron v1, spend six months to a year creating Neveron v2. By that time hopefully a lot of the negativity will come out of people. Updae the graphics, make Nev. look like a 2008 game. Relaunch with a subscription service once the game is what it should be and not before. Otherwise just kill it, its a disgrace.
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Toscotto
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[Re: Tien_Lung]
#148828 - 12/01/07 03:52 PM (12.215.87.252)
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someone who has not posted in a year has Zero credibility.
go away, stay away
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cbtgod
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[Re: Toscotto]
#148829 - 12/01/07 05:17 PM (97.97.246.88)
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tien lung again has showed us a double digit response to what wasnt even the act subject in the above posts. if you dont like neveron then dont play it there are plenty of other online games out thier. you people act like some one puts you in a hammer lock and hand cuffs you to a desk with only neveron on a computer. bottom line go play in traffic when its dark in a black shirt with no street lights on.
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Katrar
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[Re: cbtgod]
#148836 - 12/01/07 11:58 PM (24.17.223.10)
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cbtgod obviously has no idea why the majority of people stayed with Neveron, or why anyone has returned to Neveron (and that it had little to do with the game itself). Sadly, I think this shines a light on why HE plays, which sadly, seems to have nothing to do with the community or friendships.
I guess to each their own.
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#148838 - 12/02/07 01:16 AM (97.97.246.88)
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as always another person who knows me you must be god himself? if i hated the game i wouldnt play it? as always katrar a bow down to you one of the great neveron gods *sigh* yes yes you are the greatest of neverons players. because you said it it must be law. why bother to even try to explain it you are the master of all knowing. *sigh* since you know everything can i get some winning lotto numbers?
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#148840 - 12/02/07 03:11 AM (24.17.223.10)
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Well, cbt, you have demonstrated that (a) you like Neveron the way it is and (b) you would stop playing if you didn't like the game. This shows me that you don't have enough or any friendships within the player community strong enough to keep you playing for their sake.
That's fine, why you play is your business. But you show your shallow view of the Nev community by suggesting people that don't like what has happened to the game quit and go elsewhere.
If you don't understand why and how its possible for people to play despite not liking the game, I guess any number of additional threads or responses won't help educate you.
And btw, while I don't claim to be god, I can share some winning lotto numbers:
4 8 15 16 23 42
Have a nice day, and enjoy your winnings.
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[Re: Katrar]
#148850 - 12/03/07 12:19 AM (97.97.246.88)
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lol omg stop it the only reason i play is for the freinds ive made you cant know someone by the bitching its a family trait lol. i cant judge you via your posts either lol. we are allowed are opinions but yours dsnt make yours right nor mine does it? my post was act trying to be funny lol omg. since im a faction mate was trying to be funny with you. well all stop all the trying to have fun in a game thing yesh.
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#148851 - 12/03/07 06:30 AM (139.174.165.206)
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isnt' this flame between still neverionians and ex neveronians rather pointless?
I mean part of you people who left complained about the disgracefull communication and conflicts in the community. You leave, maybe as a consequence of this, and now when you return you get drawn in a flame war with the same old forum trolls.
And for the people who're still playing, you see that some veterans of nev still have enough interest in the game and the community to visit this forum, and post here, but you bash them over the head and attack their game in a rather silly way. Where's your sense of hospitality?
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#148852 - 12/03/07 10:15 AM (138.163.0.44)
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I disagree with TL. I play Nev because the people I deal with are a good group of guys that I enjoy talking to. On top of that, while the game has it's issues, it's still fun. (BTW I'm still trying to figure out why Ring Around the Collar (STB) stopped short of knocking out my lvl2....(must have run outta gas))I've tried invasion, and I do have an empire there. But I don't like it all that much, and barely pay attention to it.
Let's sum this up. Many people are upset that Nev hasn't been given any attention by the admin(s) lately. I'm concerned as well. However, WWS does have a life. He's only one person and can do only so much. If I could, I'd invest directly to the game and get WWS the help he needs to get Nev where it needs to be. (Unfortunately, i can't seem to find that winning lottery ticket.) Have some patience, offer to help, and I bet things will get better. Don't come down on a guy who gave us a great game but who also may be a little overwhelmed by R/L issues. It's just plain rude.
WWS, I'm not sure what skills I have that could help, but please, I VOLUNTEER to help out. Just let me know what I can do.
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#148859 - 12/03/07 03:47 PM (24.17.223.10)
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Certainly if WWS would accept help the situation would substantially improve for him. But for some unfathomable reason he rejects any and all offers of help, no matter how qualified. And though the help ticket assists are a good show, they won't fix the game.
I'd certainly love to see Wayward take you up on your offer, Utopian. You and the many, many well intentioned and very capable others that have offered their time and enthusiasm for the love of the game.
Unfortunately, every such offer has been rebuffed in the past, and will most likely be rebuffed in the future. I suspect the core of the problem is that WWS simply does not trust anyone that plays his game, except in the most superficial of tasks (such as screening help tickets). This level of trust is unfortunate, as selfless players of HUGE technical acumen have left the game that could have been enlisted to help save it.
And, it may be a bit tasteless but I must comment on the "Wayward has a life" bit that comes up now and again as an excuse for his absence.
I'm going to call a spade a spade and say bullshit.
Its all about priorities. I don't personally believe that Neveron is any longer anything more than residual income. Most people think this is the case. Keeping it alive just enough to keep trickles of DP income to pay for the servers and maybe buy a steak dinner now and again.
Being a father does not consume so much time as to make you incapable of performing any other tasks. Just ask anyone else who has children.
I find it impossible to fathom that WWS's fatherhood has consumed so much of his life that he has had no time whatsoever for Neveron for... half a year now?
It's simply a matter of priorities. Neveron is not a priority. And likely will never again become one.
All that it would take for Neveron to recover would be for it to again become important to Wayward, and important as something OTHER than simply a source of income (that is ALL it ever was to Randy, he didn't give one shit about the community). If it became important he would again contribute meaningful time to it. He would take an active interest in cleaning up the community. He would pay attention to the almost universal agreement on the part of the playerbase regarding certain changes.
Please, don't make excuses for Wayward's lack of stewardship. If he cared about Neveron as much as you do, he'd be on point fixing it. And it CAN be fixed. It just requires someone wanting to fix it.
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[Re: Katrar]
#148861 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (59.167.103.130)
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Well said.
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#148862 - 12/03/07 06:44 PM (97.97.246.88)
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ok xeno is a player admin do you guys know of anyone else. and i do rember 5-6 people that are code writers that offerd to help and he said no? maybe he dsnt have full control of neveron like every one thinks? the biggest thing is his lack of letting us know whats going on. bottom line would we be willing to donate for the revamp of neveron? and would wws be able to get it done? 
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#148864 - 12/04/07 03:05 AM (24.17.223.10)
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My personal feeling is that if WWS really demonstrated his intent to fix Neveron, there would be a response in the form of DP purchases.
I mean, Neveron appears to have less of a future than your average sub-prime home mortgage yet people still apparently donate enough (just) to keep the boat afloat.
If WWS doesn't really care about Nev, I guess there's your answer. But if he does care about it, and hasn't tapped into his incredibly stubbornly loyal playerbase that is still around, quite frankly I'll call him an idiot.
Some bullets:
- Beyond Xeno I havn't heard of anyone else.
- More than 5-6 have offered to help code or anything else. Probably 5-6 major talents. I can tell you for instance that Dogmatic offered to put Randy & WWS in touch with world class database gurus that he works with daily down in SoCal, free of charge, for consultation or idea generation, and he got shot down too. One of the people that had expressed a willlingness to Dogmatic to talk with Randy/WWS was Patrick Naughton, who CREATED JAVA. Yes.
- About full control of Neveron, ultimately nobody knows because WWS is in next to zero contact with his players, but generally it is believed that Randy is out of the picture, leaving exactly 1 person left with any control or influence over Neveron: Wayward.
- I fully 100% agree the biggest thing is WWS failing to communicate with his playerbase. Failing. Miserably. And. Completely. Period. End of Statement.
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#153371 - 01/22/09 01:38 PM (78.55.197.14)
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If you want to check if gaming history - and or BattleTech-MMO-RPG related community development - really tends to repeat itself you might want to read a couple of threads at "that other game's forums":
E.g. like the epic debate about the excessive use of Clan Large Pulse Lasers (Custom ClanTech "Munch" Mechs / Large Pulse Laser Boats for example like the "Redback" or the "Crimson Blade" customs, crammed up to the max with Clan Large Pulse Lasers, Clan Double Heatsinks - and max armor of course) ...
Or the apparently currently ever increasing use of Arrow IV equipped heavy artillery units at "that other game" ...
[Old IDF ("nerf") / Sniper debates at Sarna / Neveron anyone?]
Or the apparently ongoing discussions about player behaviour related issues (rampant "Munchkinism"?, general "win at all costs - and or by all means - attitude"?, "cheating/loophole exploitation/rules lawyering" - "anything goes" -"it's a war game" attitude?, "violation of the spirit of the game"?, etc.) at "that other game" ...
The list could go on and on, but please feel free to check out on your own, some rants at "that other game" tend to be kind of highly amusing / entertaining - and or oddly familiar ..., at least in my very humble opinion ...
Any Neveron-related déjà-vu feelings?
Welcome to "that other game" - and welcome to the same - or at least pretty similar -, problems as well ...
Have a nice day / night ...
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[Re: NeverSayNever]
#153372 - 01/22/09 01:52 PM (84.175.70.163)
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Lol unbeliveable. It's still around.
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#153373 - 01/22/09 02:01 PM (66.67.55.200)
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OK just to clarify...
we dont need to say 'that other game'
that is a totally childish / ridiculous antic that is not needed here.
you can talk about any topic here really but your comments must remain civil and hopefully has a point
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[Re: NeverSayNever]
#153376 - 01/22/09 03:34 PM (121.44.202.90)
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If you want to check if gaming history - and or BattleTech-MMO-RPG related community development - really tends to repeat itself you might want to read a couple of threads at "that other game's forums":
E.g. like the epic debate about the excessive use of Clan Large Pulse Lasers (Custom ClanTech "Munch" Mechs / Large Pulse Laser Boats for example like the "Redback" or the "Crimson Blade" customs, crammed up to the max with Clan Large Pulse Lasers, Clan Double Heatsinks - and max armor of course) ...
Or the apparently currently ever increasing use of Arrow IV equipped heavy artillery units at "that other game" ...
[Old IDF ("nerf") / Sniper debates at Sarna / Neveron anyone?]
Or the apparently ongoing discussions about player behaviour related issues (rampant "Munchkinism"?, general "win at all costs - and or by all means - attitude"?, "cheating/loophole exploitation/rules lawyering" - "anything goes" -"it's a war game" attitude?, "violation of the spirit of the game"?, etc.) at "that other game" ...
The list could go on and on, but please feel free to check out on your own, some rants at "that other game" tend to be kind of highly amusing / entertaining - and or oddly familiar ..., at least in my very humble opinion ...
Any Neveron-related déjà-vu feelings?
Welcome to "that other game" - and welcome to the same - or at least pretty similar -, problems as well ...
Have a nice day / night ...
your missing the key points as you always do.
1. Its got an active admin
2. help tickets get answered
3. They are disucssions by the community, then something actually happens about it and things get changed for the better, look at the C-LPL outcome, everyone in the whole game thinks its a great idea, its been implemented and the game moved on.
4. The community while they do have arguments (its a war game) is far superior to that of nevs, after all how many noobs have made it off noob islend here of late?
5. You dont play it.
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#153378 - 01/22/09 05:28 PM (78.55.197.14)
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1. Its got an active admin
I got to admit that much is true, but Neveron used to have up to three active admins, you know, back when it still had a much larger playerbase for financial support.
Then an "Exodus" occured at Neveron - as predicted / feared by quite a lot of people who dared to voice their concerns at the sarna forums early on, and if I recall correctly many people simply left Neveron shortly after the introduction of (forced) faction wars.
It looks like quite a lot of these former Nev gamers migrated to the new "promised land" for BT-related MMO RPGs - sometimes also known as "that other game" -, of course including quite a few people who used to spend a more or less large part of their disposable income at Neveron (for some donation points, and or subscriptions, etc.).
Apparently it looks like the rise in donations at "that other game" might have caused a decline in donations at Neveron, because some former Nev gamers simply decided to vote with their wallet / credit card in order to express their dissatisfaction with recent changes at Neveron (like (forced) faction wars, skills and multipliers degrading over time, etc.) ...
With decreasing income from donations Neveron as a gaming "company" / "business" had no choice but to adapt and reduce its costs which kind of inevitably lead to reductions in admin personnel (Bill (Randy too?)) and in "service" (Seth, the underpaid help / bug ticket box man).
less people coding / maintaining code and or servers / bugfixing = more bugs stay alive, new ones emerge, etc. = more bug / help tickets = more time till a user gets an answer = more frustrated users = more people quitting and or decreasing their donations = slowly shrinking player- and or donatorbase = less money, but with pretty much the same basic fixed costs to pay = less money left to maintain / upgrade hardware and or replace aging hardware = probably more system quirks / "hickups" and or lag due to aging hardware = more bug tickets = more frustrated users ...
less admins answering bug tickets, or processing subscriptions and or donations, etc. = less service = more annoyed customers = less happy and or satisfied customers = less will to donate some more = less money to pay admins, maintain servers, fix bugs, answer tickets, etc. ...
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2. help tickets get answered
Sure, but Neveron's players used to get an answer too, back when there were more admins available, sometimes one even got a fairly fast reply on a bug or help ticket.
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3. They are disucssions by the community, then something actually happens about it and things get changed for the better, look at the C-LPL outcome, everyone in the whole game thinks its a great idea, its been implemented and the game moved on.
Only partially true, as far as I know it looks like quite a few people were much less than happy about the C-LPL debate and "nerfs" / BV adjustments / bracket adjustments / etc. that happened / followed - and some players might have left "the promised land" / "that other game" due to these changes.
Apparently another game mechanics related hot topic at "that other game", the ongoing Arrow IV artillery debate ...
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4. The community while they do have arguments (its a war game) is far superior to that of nevs, after all how many noobs have made it off noob islend here of late?
I don't know, haven't seen any and or many 'survivors' making it from "Noob Cannibal Island" to one of the continents recently, sorry, please simply ask the Noobs who actually made it - or the Noob killers - about it. I never maintained or supported any Noob hunting operations on "Noob Cannibal Island", but other veterans might know more about this topic.
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5. You dont play it.
Yes, and ain't it funny?, I'm really glad about it, because Neveron never let me down when it came to satisfying my hidden minor "masochistic tendencies / needs" and there simply was not enough "demand" to increase the daily dose of masochism to make me wish to join "the promised land" and its natives ...
By the way, you don't necessarily have to put your hand too close to a campfire twice in order to know that this might hurt, usually once is enough to know about it - and remember it for the future ...
Have a nice / day night - and don't get to close to the campfire ...
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