mattbuck
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Re: 2012 Updates
#163633 - 02/03/12 03:05 PM (128.243.253.104)
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Shadowmaster, you are a complete and total idiot.
First off the unit cap - OK, for a lvl8 that's about doable if you have BIG towers. But then lvl9 you expect people to defend 250k more pop with 3 batts of units. Then for lvl10 500k more pop with another 108 units... Yeah, that works. So at lvl10 the AVERAGE unit has to be over 800bv for a decent ratio. That is insane.
Then building degradation, what does this get us.... nowhere. It just adds annoyance to life. Nev is a GAME, it should be FUN. You are making it nothing more than a chore. It looks like most people will be spending more money fixing buildings than they can make between repairs.
Also, I would like to remind you of what you promised us:
"No major changes will be implemented without being discussed first".
This is the first time building degradation has ever been mentioned anywhere on Nev.
You are a liar. Plain and simple.
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slaine202
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: mattbuck]
#163634 - 02/03/12 03:21 PM (90.200.65.73)
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LOL
Is it April 1st already?!?
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moose
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: slaine202]
#163635 - 02/03/12 03:52 PM (208.15.31.223)
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From what Randy said in chat, 'empire levels are logarithmic'. He makes a good point in that when jumping from a 5 to a 6 or an 8 to a 9, battle value must be more than doubled and therefore makes no sense if each level is granted the same number of units. The unit cap should also be on a logarithmic scale to give each empire, no matter the size, the ability to have an adequate number of units
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DeathStar
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: moose]
#163639 - 02/03/12 05:44 PM (74.193.51.150)
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WOW what a fail total failure
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Katrar
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Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: DeathStar]
#163645 - 02/03/12 06:13 PM (24.17.137.174)
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SM, you are wrong on so many levels, but let me explain to you the level upon which you are most wrong.
You wrote:
Quote:
"The player that simply creates and empire, and then logs into it occasionally, might defend when attacked, is generally a drain on the game as a whole, and does not encourage the dynamic game that we all want back."
Nobody gives a **** what you think you meant. What this says right here is... hey, casual players... you, yeah you. GTFO! We don't want your kind around here. If you're not teh hard core, you can get **** lost.
Guess what, genius. MOST OF YOUR PLAYERBASE IS CASUAL. You just told most of your playerbase that this game is not meant for them. Nice PR ****.
And on building degradation... You just predicated a huge part of the game upon people being connected 24/7. And I don't give a **** what Randy or you said in chat about oh you should only have to fix things once every few weeks. BULLSHIT. Most of us have at least 3% of our empire broken now on the first day! TC's have stopped researching. RB's have stopped repairing. And we're supposed to just let this slide for days and weeks on end. No, you've just made Neveron a game where if you aren't knee deep in bullshit every god damned day, your empire is plain old ****.
Nice. That's just how people like to play their games, isn't it. Play 20 hours a day? Here's minimum of 2% empire damage per day. Deal with it. Play once or twice a week? Or duel? Oh sorry, we decided its best to completely wreck your empire... you know... hoping you get the hint.
We get the hint.
You may be getting ours too.
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mattbuck
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Katrar]
#163647 - 02/03/12 06:18 PM (128.243.253.104)
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1% of buildings.
In every zone.
Every nevday.
So each real day (it is NOT just doing it twice per day) I have to rebuild 10% of my empire.
Gravy.
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DeathStar
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: mattbuck]
#163650 - 02/03/12 07:07 PM (74.193.51.150)
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THis is insane just insane words dont describe it
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Protege
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: DeathStar]
#163652 - 02/03/12 08:23 PM (216.114.98.229)
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Anyone want some decent empires? I'm out. Came back, had high hopes. SM just blew it. Already told my kids their empires are gonna be sold or deleted. At least I didn't blow more than $500 this mistake.
Good job SM: Randy couldn't kill it through inactivity. You just did in one jack-hole move.
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cbtgod
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163653 - 02/03/12 09:01 PM (72.77.197.22)
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wow well guess you really dont care about your players i dont really think you thought this out SM? l8rs DABOSS
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MatthewAce
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Loc: Neveron
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: cbtgod]
#163657 - 02/03/12 11:41 PM (220.255.1.35)
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Never thought one could have done worse than Randy. I was wrong.
My feelings towards this? All of the negative feedback here in this thread and future ones that will be in the thread as well.
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mattbuck
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: MatthewAce]
#163660 - 02/04/12 12:10 AM (128.243.253.104)
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A thought:
A low level empire will have to COMPLETELY rebuild his empire every week and a half...
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KJI_3x6
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Loc: Minnesota, North Korea
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: MatthewAce]
#163662 - 02/04/12 12:21 AM (76.17.189.42)
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i am a proprietor of low level empires, i have never actively warred, nor have i done much of anything, the social aspect of nev (mostly havok)is what keeps me here. i have never owned anything larger than a level 5 empire, and even that got turned into a 3 within a week because i had no want of a larger empire, now to a point.
the 25 cf degradation is **** STUPID, period. i wont say the idea has some merit, but 25 cf is **** dumb, you wanna kill off a possible 2 cf here or there, ok, whatever, it'll cut down on tents. 25 cf is just assinine, have you ever actually created a **** empire, or have you just bought them all, because last i checked, this will mean you have to research buildings, which at low levels can take forever, especially when you start getting attacked by **** noob hunters i can plausibly take **** years to research anything up to 50 cf depending on ones luck, and now, with the ability to lose 25cf buildings, a noob could have every **** thing they built wiped out overnight. bad move jackass, just run off any new blood to the game, make building new empires even more difficult, the only thing this could accomplish is to, provided this game got some sort of miraculous influx of new people, is raise the value of existing empires, which anyone playing this game keeping up with current events knows IS NOT HAPPENING.
i have waited patiently, for the most part, i have stood up for you against large amounts of criticism, and tried to be a voice of reason to let things develop, but you sir have made a complete jackass of yourself in this instance.
oh, and before you come in here and say it, i think we already know your answer, we don't like it, there is the door. **** your door.
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NeverSayNever
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163663 - 02/04/12 12:27 AM (92.228.12.202)
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[...]Already told my kids their empires are gonna be sold or deleted.
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[sarcasm ON]
'Wrong' approch, sorry, you could use your kids as cheap source for (child) 'labour', innocently camouflaged as 'playing' an online war game with their daddy, now that could teach your kids a 'lesson', soon they might even offer to mow your lawn, or clean the boardwalk from ice and or snow, instead of having to babysit daddy's Neveron empires' buildings 24/7 in order to protect them from admin-coded, random building decay ...
And some of you guys thought crew skills and or skill multis degrading / rotting away over time was a bad idea already ...
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mattbuck
Eeyore
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Posts: 3285
Loc: Nottingham, UK
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163666 - 02/04/12 03:31 AM (128.243.253.104)
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http://mattbuck.irongalaxy.com/neveron/log-a-degradation.html
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Phred
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: mattbuck]
#163669 - 02/04/12 04:35 AM (137.186.132.65)
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Are you kidding me? This is cherry! Now I dont have to get that expensive operation to mvoe my testicles so I can wear them for earings!
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Protege
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Loc: Bakore Village
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Phred]
#163674 - 02/04/12 08:09 AM (216.114.98.229)
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[Deleted: Violation of Rule 3]
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mattbuck
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163680 - 02/04/12 09:44 AM (128.243.253.104)
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Invasion is never appealing, it's just plain dull. And actually Nev has a fairly wide political spectrum in terms of realpolitik, we simply don't want the admins making us do annoying stuff.
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Protege
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: mattbuck]
#163683 - 02/04/12 10:29 AM (216.114.98.229)
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SM wants to take care of inactive empires:
JUST RUN THE FRAKKIN' ABANDONED EMPIRE PROGRAM!
SM is full of it. This is another attempt to make Nev what HE wants, NOT what the donating players like.
I can't WAIT until those brand-spanking new servers are sitting in storage somewhere, and that fool is left wondering "WHY ME?!?!?"
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Katrar
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163685 - 02/04/12 11:28 AM (24.17.137.174)
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Pure and simply this is SM not having the slightest clue what it is like to play Neveron, and Randy not really giving a **** any more. Hell Randy's gettin' paid, what does he care how it all turns out.
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Phred
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Katrar]
#163689 - 02/04/12 01:48 PM (137.186.132.65)
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It was clear to me before Randy left he wanted Neveron dead. He hated it and wanted everyone playing to be as miserable as he was. Why would someone with any intelligence beleive he is there to help?
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Gunner
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Posts: 365
Loc: Hurricane Capital of the World
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Phred]
#163700 - 02/04/12 04:08 PM (173.65.23.244)
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It's possible that we, the donators, didn't make ourselves clear yesterday. There was no over-reaction to the degradation program. There was a reaction to a completely retarded idea that was not discussed at all with any of us before being implemented. Shadow, you aren't smarter then a room full of other players. It's that simple.
My pool has had roughly $700 refunded back now. You remember, the pool that you asked me to hurry and get filled and send before codefest if possible. Good thing I didn't, you'd have more money to keep paying Randy to code all the idiot ideas you can't. Are arenas working and less server lag supposed to be the tradeoff for everything else? We have all this expensive new equipment which should be performing well, and then we have you telling us that a lvl 10 is using as much space as 1000 lvl 3s. Here's an idea, delete the inactives, and then when you have only a couple thousand empires instead of 12k, we won't have that problem. We've been asking for years to have empires deleted, but no, instead, they stay here, and you have this garbage coded to slowly kill them, and oh ya, **** the rest of us too. Why in the world would you want to punish the active players as well as the inactives? Go sit in Loserville and fix all your buildings. Now imagine coming home from work and having to do that constantly. Are you fuckin kidding me? Telling us we only need to do it once a week, really? That makes it all better?
Pull your head from your **** and listen. Hear that? That's the sound of $1500 being sent back to people who were going to donate to the game. New drive-by donators will be the bread and butter of the game huh? Keep it up, you won't be able to afford bread or butter anymore. Not from Nev anyway. You think new players are going to come to the game, read the nevmails, check out the forums, stop by chat, and actually stick around and send you money? Seeing an admin who pisses all over his playerbase isn't likely to keep too many new people. Most games with in-game chat, when an admin stops in, they aren't greeted with a hearty **** you motherfucker, they get a hello how are you? You bought the game a year ago, rumors of it being bought started bringing us back 2 years ago. If people haven't come back by now, they aren't ever likely to. If they do, let them start over. Stop using that as an excuse to **** and piss all over us.
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Katrar
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Posts: 1314
Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Gunner]
#163702 - 02/04/12 04:11 PM (24.17.137.174)
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Gunner, in today's thread SM basically said you were one of the people that are bad for the game. You own a level 12/13 production empire. Therefore you own a stagnant "feeder" empire that is only logged in to to perform maintenance once in a while.
Sorry Gunner but empires like yours, and players like you are bad for the game. Neveron does not need "feeder" empires, and it does not need pathetic players like you that think that producing lots of vehicles and mechs for other players to use in combat is in some way contributing to the game at large.
Thanks for your "stagnant feeder empire" being the reason for all of this happening to us Gunner.
Sincerely, your former friend (I'm not friends with people who are bad for the game),
Kato
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Gunner
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Katrar]
#163705 - 02/04/12 04:15 PM (173.65.23.244)
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Well all I have to say to you former friend, is you should just quit. You are also bad for the game, sending in donations to pay for new equipment such as servers, and helping fly Randy in to fix arenas. Taking your empires out and killing things, buying new units to throw into the meat grinder we call LW so you can contribute to the fun here. You just quit dammit!
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NeverSayNever
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Posts: 1655
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Gunner]
#163707 - 02/04/12 04:32 PM (92.227.79.174)
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Well, I might be wrong but to me it looks like Katrar tried to use some sarcasm and such (without providing any warnings / disclaimers) - and Gunner simply failed miserably at detecting the sarcasm and such used ...
May I suggest purchasing a new state-of-the-art "Sarcasm-O-Meter" (TM) device for your viewing / reading pleasure?
Just some food for thought ...
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mattbuck
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Posts: 3285
Loc: Nottingham, UK
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163710 - 02/04/12 04:43 PM (128.243.253.104)
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I think someone else failed at sarcasm detection.
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NeverSayNever
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: mattbuck]
#163712 - 02/04/12 05:06 PM (92.227.79.174)
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I think someone else failed at sarcasm detection.
I simply tried to offer a diplomatic way to solve the conflict between Katrar and Gunner, both could have simply claimed having some minor issues with the use and or the detection of sarcasm.
edit:
I just checked my own, sturdy, ol' "Sarcasm-O-Meter" - again, just in case, discovered a molten micro fuse (probably an old relic from the Toten incident some time ago), replaced the micro fuse, upgraded my "Sarcasm-O-Meter's" firm ware and recanned this thread, et voilą, looks like I finally detected the sarcasm contained in Katrar's and Gunner's posts, congratulations, well played  ...
Edited by NeverSayNever (02/04/12 06:31 PM)
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GreenBeret
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163713 - 02/04/12 05:12 PM (50.82.72.170)
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This is just too funny. Katrar and Gunner, both of you are drains on Neveron and should do everyone a favor and just quit. And do me a personal favor and get to level 50 faster. Mush! Mush!
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Gunner
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: GreenBeret]
#163715 - 02/04/12 06:10 PM (173.65.23.244)
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I agree, $15 a month is much cheaper then 1K per year.
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Troa
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Posts: 58
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Gunner]
#163720 - 02/05/12 01:35 AM (107.2.232.233)
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Shadow... Honestly I was looking at least checking Nev out again shortly and possible starting to play again, but seeing building degradation makes just reminds me of all the reasons that I left. Those reasons were primarily updates which were NOT well thought out, and which serve no REAL purpose in the game. The reasons you stated are BS which could be fixed by other means.
Don't want tenting empires? Make it impossible with hard coded limits.
Don't want inactives? Run a deletion script. That simple.
However, as one who played Nev long ago, this update just shows that pointless, frankly stupid, changes are going to be made again, and I really have no reason to even bother looking at coming back.
Seeing your reaction and going defensive instead of listening and taking people being livid as a sign you need to halt the change and TALK to them... Well that just tells me there's no hope for this game. If that's your idea of a "good" idea... Well you're not going to get any new players if they bother reading at all.
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csimian
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Troa]
#163731 - 02/05/12 02:54 PM (50.46.182.172)
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Well I guess this means I'm out. I was going to be one of those casual players. A nice escape from RL and my 6 month old baby. I'm just glad I didn't purchase any DP like I had signed up to do in Gunner's pool. I feel bad for those who did contribute and feel like they got burned. From now on I guess I'll focus on real Battletech
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Vindication
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: csimian]
#163732 - 02/05/12 05:19 PM (216.114.98.229)
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Im not a casual player I am online from the moment I get home from work until I go to sleep and then for a couple of hrs before I go to work, I have in just 1 empire 500 building zones not tents Im just spread out a bit. I already pay land maint fees and corruption for the population I have, now I get to spend the time that Im online wanting to play fixing buildings and tryig to figure out how in the hell im gonna recore my empire when the new unit cap feature comes into play, and I have come to the conclusion that many others have or will. You and I as players cant defend a empire over lvl 5 with the new unit cap limit thats been proposed. If thats what Shadow is intending to do then I could go along with it if Im compensated for burning my over lvl 5 empires down and by compensated I mean thousands of DP for the time Ive spent and real cash Ive spent and the annoyance of having to do it.
but as has been suggested by many others just run the empire deletion program.
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Protege
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163733 - 02/05/12 06:06 PM (216.114.98.229)
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I call BS on my post being deleted. I didn't discuss politics in a manner that was purely outside of the game. I spoke of it in the context of the game, and tied it all together. Nice to see the moderators of this site are towing the line for Shadowmaster, and simply squashing intelligent discourse about a stupid idea instead of patrolling for all the profanities that are rife on this site.
Seig Heil!
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Masashi
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163735 - 02/05/12 11:41 PM (92.225.188.152)
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Building Degradation:
so basically SM is trying to tell us that the "CF-bug" was not a bug but a poor try by him to implement the code for building degradation on his own.
Kudos SM - Watergate has nothing on you.
Cheers Mas_selling_emps/DP
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Tigre
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Reged: 02/10/03
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Masashi]
#163736 - 02/06/12 05:46 AM (216.130.147.106)
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Hmm, if the goal is to kill tents, why not limit cities to 5 per empire level or some such?
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mattbuck
Eeyore
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Tigre]
#163739 - 02/06/12 07:52 AM (128.243.253.104)
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That would effectively limit you to lvl12 as well, since even if you had all 1kers, assuming a 4:1 ratio of buildings you'd max out at 4.8mil pop.
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Cray
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Re: 2012 Updates
[Re: Protege]
#163741 - 02/06/12 08:32 AM (147.160.136.10)
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I call BS on my post being deleted. I didn't discuss politics in a manner that was purely outside of the game.
Rule 3 does not say, "You can mention real world politics if you tie them into the game." It says, "Politics and Religion, in particular, are topics not allowed to be discussed on this board." Any real world political reference crosses Rule 3, and you stuffed a post (well, 4 posts) full of analogies between real world politics and Neveron.
If you'd like to re-post your displeasure with Shadowmaster's change(s), feel free. Just find a way to do so that doesn't violate the posting rules. In the recent threads, you'll find dozens of examples on how to do so.
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Nice to see the moderators of this site are towing the line for Shadowmaster and simply squashing intelligent discourse about a stupid idea
93 out of 99 posts (to date) on the latest Neveron changes have not been touched. A grand total of 6 posts were deleted: 4 of your copied-and-pasted posts on politics, and 2 direct responses to your political posts. I deleted no other posts from the past week because, as angry as they were, they were within the posting guidelines, or close enough not to require post modification.
In fact, rather than use the standard moderator maneuver of moving your post to the Trash Can for review by admins and mods, which would've dragged along 15-20 innocent posts, I only edited your offending posts directly. That left everyone else's discourse protected.
Kudos to the posters, by the way, for generally sticking within the posting guidelines while you folks were so annoyed about Neveron changes. Except for some Rule 1 violations, you folks kept it together pretty well.
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instead of patrolling for all the profanities that are rife on this site.
I did patrol for violations of all the posting rules, but no one violated Rule 10: every **** piece of **** profanity was blotted out by the Censortron. Further, no poster tried to bypass the Censortron with mis-spellings of profane words. Ergo, no warnings for Rule 10 violations.
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