ShadowMasterCM
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upgraded mechs
#164249 - 02/20/12 10:03 PM (24.103.210.226)
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during codefest the ability to create new UPGRADES for existing mechs was removed
despite any rumors that you may have heard, i have not done anything to existing upgraded mechs
i do however have plans to simply reset them to the default mech they are. this will likely get an update / announcement and a few weeks later will simply be done. so start planning for it now
the upgrade system as it exists today is clearly a horrible system that has been out of control for FAR to long
As for any compensation for currently upgraded mechs...the page had always stated it was an experimental program or some such thing...and could be removed at any time. well its been removed now.
As far as trying to determine exactly how much any one upgraded mech 'cost', let alone the entire database tables worth...there is no way to determine costs. To many variables like rep and NCash vs Upgrade Points as well as pilot swapping before during and after destroy any chance of ever actually trying to determine a value used to create existing upgrades. This is not an ideal situation obviously, but it is what it is. If it makes you feel better, pretend you just got all your upgrades killed in your most recent war, and you have already replaced them all!
there have been a few ideas about a new upgrade system kicked around. i have considered issuing some UP points as credits for those currently upgraded mechs. this is only an idea at this point, and i will make a decision about that at a later time
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Protege
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#164272 - 02/21/12 06:34 AM (65.87.39.230)
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Cool. Glad to see them leave.
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wonko
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Protege]
#164275 - 02/21/12 07:21 AM (76.23.60.40)
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yup.....bye bye light mechs with more armor than 3 assults, bye bye, light's with the firepower to kill a company of heavies......bye bye to mediums with an assult mech strapped to the front, back and both sides oh and did i forget to mention bye bye to mechs with the firepower of a company of like mechs and the sp of....well one mech
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Katrar
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: wonko]
#164279 - 02/21/12 09:12 AM (24.17.137.174)
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This will be welcome.
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buc
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Katrar]
#164320 - 02/21/12 01:53 PM (122.57.193.15)
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I support this change. More than that, it is very nice to see some an announcement on this PRIOR to it happening.
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KJI_3x6
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: buc]
#164352 - 02/21/12 04:10 PM (199.17.228.252)
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i doubt anyone with the game in mind will have anything negative to say about this. good job.
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Phred
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#164355 - 02/21/12 04:20 PM (161.184.189.112)
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Well, it just gets deleted now KJI.
As I said, dont worry, dissapointment will come from somewhere regarding this. It always does. Every single implementation in the games history has been poor.
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KJI_3x6
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164357 - 02/21/12 04:21 PM (199.17.228.252)
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lol
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ghostrider
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#164385 - 02/22/12 01:07 AM (70.173.25.223)
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oh no.. you mean i cannt have a light mech that would gut a level 8 drop on my level 1?
thats not right.. please let these mechs stay in the level 1/2 range so i can keep finding new zones so they can tent even further then the 400 zones they have now.
I mean they do have 5 buildings in each zone.. thats just 4 tooo many.
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buc
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: ghostrider]
#164403 - 02/22/12 01:36 PM (122.57.193.15)
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what?
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ghostrider
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: buc]
#164405 - 02/22/12 01:39 PM (70.173.25.223)
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sarcasim. Thats what the last post was. The negative post that people are looking for.
I have always been on the side of getting rid of them.
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Rodon
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164417 - 02/22/12 02:57 PM (75.131.179.178)
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Quote:
Well, it just gets deleted now KJI.
As I said, dont worry, dissapointment will come from somewhere regarding this. It always does. Every single implementation in the games history has been poor.
Aye. I hate the total loss, but will not object because it has been badly abused. Kituwhaga was nearly wiped out, (by Eye of the Beholder) when it was level 5, (long time ago) due to seriously upgraded mechs.
Unlike some upgraders who tried to create ubermechs, I upraded every mech that could be upgraded. This was a long process, cause if something happened I did not like I removed it. A number of times I had to dp restore them. The majority were upgraded 3-4 times, but I got some cool stuff. Take my jumping Raven for instance. Or my Mad 4A who lost both it's PPC's and gained a clan'like laser but now cannot possibly overheat. I agree it is powerful, but nothing near a Nem or STR.
I would estimate that between my two primary emps I have made upgrades to 3-4 hundred mechs. The most common upgrades were armor factors, sensor enhancements, sometimes extra heat sinks and/or efficiency, and relatively minor weapon upgrades. Almost always it was a trade-off, mostly for armor.
When I heard SM turned it off I halted upgrade kit production. You see as soon as I hit level 8 I have been producing them non stop in both kingdoms. So not only do I loose the upgrades but also all the thousands of upgrade kits which I guess are lost in cyberspace. If they ever come back there should be a firm limit of how many upgrades any one mech can have. That would prevent the ubermechs everybody complains about.
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Phred
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Rodon]
#164421 - 02/22/12 07:06 PM (161.184.189.112)
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Yes, that is very minor. There is a limit, it is 100.
Trust me when I say there are mechs out there that are severely overpowered.
Heat Dissipation 49 Maximum Heat Generation: 50 DANGER: LOW
H) Head (13 / 13)
(CT) Center Torso (78 / 78)
(RT) Right Torso (51 / 51)
(LT) Left Torso (51 / 51)
(RA) Right Arm (55 / 55)
(LA) Left Arm (55 / 55)
(RL) Right Leg (48 / 48)
(LL) Left Leg (48 / 48)
(RCT) Rear Center Torso (42 / 42)
(RRT) Rear Right Torso (24 / 24)
(RLT) Rear Left Torso (24 / 24)
(H) Head (7 / 7)
(CT) Center Torso (40 / 40)
(RT) Right Torso (27 / 27)
(LT) Left Torso (27 / 27)
(RA) Right Arm (22 / 22)
(LA) Left Arm (22 / 22)
(RL) Right Leg (27 / 27)
(LL) Left Leg (27 / 27)
PPC-80 Particle Projection Cannon type 80 LA 15 20 3 6 / 12 / 18 7.0 OK
PPC-275 Particle Projection Cannon type 275 LA 10 7 3 7 / 14 / 21 10.5 OK
LRM-15-266 Long Range Missiles (15) type 266 LT 1 - 18* 5 6 6 / 12 / 18 7.0 OK
LL-66 Large Laser type 66 RT 10 12 - 5 / 10 / 15 5.0 OK
ML-322 Medium Laser type 322 RA 7 3 - 3 / 6 / 9 1.5 OK
ML-314 Medium Laser type 314 RA 5 0 - 3 / 6 / 9 1.0 OK
Range: 7
Power: 14
Stealth: 7
ECM: 3
It does not tell me anymore how many times this was upgraded, but I think it was around 50-60. This was a MAD-4A. It is pretty tame compared to what is out there.
I am very glad that you cannot upgrade mechs anymore, but alas the current ones needed to be removed with that "feature". It just does not make common sense to do the job halfway. At least there are no more new upgrades.
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dieaready
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164425 - 02/22/12 08:34 PM (60.241.43.86)
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How about making upgraded mechs cost 1 sp more per upgrade up to 30 upgrades, then 2 sp more up to 60 and so on?
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buc
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164426 - 02/22/12 09:00 PM (210.86.1.168)
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Yeah that is pretty tame. I've had emps with lots and lots of upgrades, and even while upgrading I've been pushing for their removal.
Finally a change I can cheer! 
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Katrar
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: buc]
#164427 - 02/22/12 09:25 PM (24.17.137.174)
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Tame, but still awesomely powerful. Just think... that was tame. lol
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KJI_3x6
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: dieaready]
#164429 - 02/22/12 11:24 PM (76.17.189.42)
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Quote:
How about making upgraded mechs cost 1 sp more per upgrade up to 30 upgrades, then 2 sp more up to 60 and so on?
how about no?
overpowered? how about this 4a?
Armor
(H) Head (61 / 61)
(CT) Center Torso (137 / 137)
(RT) Right Torso (77 / 77)
(LT) Left Torso (77 / 77)
(RA) Right Arm (83 / 83)
(LA) Left Arm (83 / 83)
(RL) Right Leg (81 / 81)
(LL) Left Leg (81 / 81)
(RCT) Rear Center Torso (43 / 43)
(RRT) Rear Right Torso (27 / 27)
(RLT) Rear Left Torso (27 / 27)
Weapons
Code Name Loc Damage Heat Min Rng Rng (S / M / L) Tons Status
ML-2540 Medium Laser type 2540 LA 5 0 - 4 / 8 / 12 2.0 OK
PPC-67 Particle Projection Cannon type 67 RA 10 7 3 6 / 12 / 18 7.0 OK
LL-1338 Large Laser type 1338 RT 15 8 - 4 / 8 / 12 5.0 OK
PPC-807 Particle Projection Cannon type 807 LA 18 22 3 6 / 12 / 18 3.5 OK
PPC-333 Particle Projection Cannon type 333 RA 7 7 3 7 / 14 / 21 5.0 OK
Flamer-II-264 Flamer mk II type 264 LA 2** 2 - 1 / 2 / 3 0.5 OK
* Machine Guns and Flame Throwers do 4-14 damage against infantry targets
* Flamethrower weapons add +2 heat to their target per successful hit.
This mech is equipped with a targetting computer and all weapon attacks have a bonus of -1 to hit.
Internal Structure
(H) Head (7 / 7)
(CT) Center Torso (40 / 40)
(RT) Right Torso (24 / 27)
3 internal structure points are missing. Repair now
(LT) Left Torso (27 / 27)
(RA) Right Arm (22 / 22)
(LA) Left Arm (18 / 22)
4 internal structure points are missing. Repair now
(RL) Right Leg (24 / 27)
3 internal structure points are missing. Repair now
(LL) Left Leg (22 / 27)
5 internal structure points are missing. Repair now
Sensors
Range: 8
Power: 14
Stealth: 9
ECM: 4
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Tigre
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#164480 - 02/24/12 01:45 PM (216.130.147.106)
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Impressive KJI.
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dieaready
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Tigre]
#164493 - 02/24/12 05:58 PM (60.241.43.86)
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How about an exponential curve for sp?
1 upgrade = 1 sp
2 upgrades = 2 sp
3 upgrades = 4 sp
4 upgrades = 8 sp...
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KJI_3x6
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Tigre]
#164495 - 02/25/12 12:17 AM (76.17.189.42)
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Impressive KJI.
if only it was mine 
on the bright side, i won't be the one crying when it turns normal.
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Phred
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#164497 - 02/25/12 01:05 AM (161.184.189.112)
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I have spent many billions on upgrades in the past. I will not shed one single tear when they are reverted back to normal. OK, maybe tears of joy. It is long overdue and very happy to see it started. Will be elated when it is finished with.
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Rodon
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164501 - 02/25/12 08:33 AM (68.47.52.133)
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Yes, that is very minor. There is a limit, it is 100.
I was thinking like 5-10 max.
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Phred
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Rodon]
#164503 - 02/25/12 11:05 AM (161.184.189.112)
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I would fully support a form of mech lab as opposed to upgrades. They are just way out in left field when it comes to balance, yes even for Neveron. With the level 1 sort of tech most of us are dealing with, have very minor changes able to be made. Research for more complex changes. Time, research, money to make radical changes.
I would consider a simplified version of Battletech Master Rules repair and salvage.
Burn the mech upgrade code, get rid of it forever.
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marauderch
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Phred]
#164504 - 02/25/12 11:08 AM (24.225.116.227)
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There is the Quirk system in CBT that can be used for a new upgrade system.
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Protege
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: marauderch]
#164583 - 03/01/12 06:05 AM (65.87.39.230)
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Unfortunately, the mech upgrades were installed at a time when players were revolting against Randy over his lack of fixing bugs. Instead of fixing bugs, he called all FL and level 10+ empires into a chat room on a prearranged date to discuss what we wanted fixed. We waited the two weeks until that day, hopeful that things were finally going to get heard and fixed. We discussed proper ways to bring up topics without being rude, etc. Randy met us in the room (on time for once, which should have sent up the first red flag), greeted everyone, said "LOOK AT THIS COOL NEW FEATURE I JUST MADE!" and then promptly ignored everyone who tried to get the topic going where we were SUPPOSED to be.
Alas, FAR too many in that room fell for the bait-and-switch dog-and-pony show Randy had suckered them into, ignored the reason we had waited for two weeks, and began the back slapping.
Some of those issues still remain unresolved today. Now, instead of things on Nev getting fixed, we have the same old tricks from our new Master. 7 years, same issues.
And SM wonders why the old time players are just quitting in droves.
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KJI_3x6
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: Protege]
#164584 - 03/01/12 11:42 AM (76.17.189.42)
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old players don't matter, he has droves of new players donating, haven't you been paying attention?
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buc
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Re: upgraded mechs
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#164588 - 03/01/12 01:40 PM (222.155.171.234)
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I didn't think there were enough old players left for there to be droves...
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