Rallis
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Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
#165123 - 04/16/12 01:43 PM (99.26.68.88)
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If there is a 75% or more YES vote, ShadowmasterCM will be impeached as Neveron Admin.
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mattbuck
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Rallis]
#165124 - 04/16/12 02:09 PM (95.148.189.101)
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...If only.
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Chetter
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Rallis]
#165125 - 04/16/12 04:00 PM (71.168.91.79)
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Impeach him? If you feel that way why dont you offer to buy neveron off him. Otherwise this poll is like taking a leak in the ocean.
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KJI_3x6
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Chetter]
#165126 - 04/16/12 08:53 PM (50.137.208.91)
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this is hilarious.
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Cray
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Rallis]
#165127 - 04/17/12 07:53 AM (147.160.136.10)
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If there is a 75% or more YES vote, ShadowmasterCM will be impeached as Neveron Admin.
...how do you impeach the owner of the game?
I can understand "boycott," but "impeach?"
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Katrar
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Cray]
#165128 - 04/17/12 08:25 AM (24.17.137.174)
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Uh, pretty sure this is a hyperbolic poll. Duh.
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Rodon
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Katrar]
#165135 - 04/17/12 04:36 PM (65.17.23.131)
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Wonder who the 3 other chowder heads, (other than SM) that voted no?
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KJI_3x6
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Rodon]
#165136 - 04/17/12 09:00 PM (50.137.208.91)
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chet, sm, and ???
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Chetter
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#165143 - 04/18/12 09:05 AM (24.97.170.18)
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Darn right I voted no. Why would I vote yes? To be honest why did I vote at all. I propose we vote to raise income tax to 50% and give the wind fall to penquins. That is about the same poll we are taking here. If people think they can do better buy it off him and see what you can do with it. Or do what reload did and start a diffrent game. Nothing is keeping you here other then habit and sith like hate. Please be part of the game or not.
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Katrar
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Chetter]
#165144 - 04/18/12 10:29 AM (24.17.137.174)
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I'll give Chet one thing... you can run over him with a steamroller while pumping a full magazine of hollow point into his dog and he'll still find a way to call the glass half full. lol
Course, someone would then have to point out all the glass shards and wet pavement.
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Chetter
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Katrar]
#165145 - 04/18/12 10:54 AM (24.97.170.18)
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Im a positive person by nature. I just accept what isnt working and try to enjoy those parts that do. My hope is things will some day be as they were. But till then I make the best with what we have. By the way been along time, how have you been?
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TGA
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Chetter]
#165150 - 04/18/12 07:32 PM (76.20.128.52)
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I voted no
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buc
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: TGA]
#165151 - 04/19/12 02:31 AM (219.89.232.209)
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I actually agree with Chet on this. I'm vocal enough to know that I dont currently support the direction SM is taking the game, but not sure this achieves anything.
I didn't vote
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Pimpslap
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Chetter]
#165153 - 04/19/12 09:19 AM (74.196.96.143)
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ok how much to buy neveron?
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KJI_3x6
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Pimpslap]
#165155 - 04/19/12 11:48 AM (50.137.208.91)
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$4.99 somalian curency, so like .23 cents.
and that might still be a ripoff.
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buc
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: KJI_3x6]
#165157 - 04/19/12 02:14 PM (219.89.232.209)
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IMO, the biggest 'value' of nev WAS its dedicated player base. Now it wouldn't be worth much more than the cost of the hardware.
Is there a chance SM can pull his finger out and get Nev going well again? I guess you'd have to say there is. Wouldn't be putting my money on it, but anythings possible. It's a long way from being a good game (now that I've been playing others, I realise this).
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Katrar
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: buc]
#165160 - 04/19/12 08:11 PM (24.17.137.174)
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I agree, buc. The value in Neveron has ALWAYS been in the community, and the unique community driven metagaming that grew out of it. There's a reason the only people Nev was EVER able to retain were people that got intimately involved with the community.
All by itself, Nev is actually a pretty amazingly shitty game. The community, however, somehow made it magical for a time.
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Rallis
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Katrar]
#165161 - 04/19/12 08:22 PM (99.26.68.88)
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lol we cant even impeach him hypothetically
its like neveron is cursed with bad admins...
PLZ SOMEONE BREAK THIS CURSE... PLZ
PIMPSLAP I WISH U COULD OWN THIS GAME 
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buc
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Rallis]
#165162 - 04/20/12 12:24 AM (219.89.232.209)
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For over 10 years (been here for over 11 now) I played Nev almost exclusively. How many games can say they have a group of players that have stuck through all the good and the bad for such a period of time? And I'm not alone in this, there are many who have played nev for a VERY long time.
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: buc]
#165409 - 05/15/12 05:24 AM (128.190.125.2)
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I offered to buy, support, and staff (two developers) Neveron. SM couldn't provide any business plan for success. He only provided bush-league answers to basic questions. He then got upset when I wouldn't invest in his cock-eyed plan. Randy made out like a bandit and I applaud him. He sold the game.
Considering what Invasion3042 sold for, it would be safe to say that Neveron needs to be scrapped and rebuilt. It's built on antiquated technology (.net 2.5/3.0?) and requires real game developers to produce.
If the initial costs can be raised, I might still take this banner up. I have some ideas, but need positive contributors that can help cultivate a heathy community.
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Torq
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#165417 - 05/15/12 04:38 PM (161.184.189.112)
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Good one!
HAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Cray
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#165438 - 05/17/12 06:33 AM (147.160.136.10)
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FYI: the deleted section of the thread was moved by me, not SM. That was just excessive flame bait.
Don't pick up that topic again.
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Edited by Cray (05/17/12 06:36 AM)
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Torq
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Cray]
#165440 - 05/17/12 08:58 AM (161.184.189.112)
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We need our own forums...
Where do you draw the line Cray ? Hmmm? Never known or had family in the military??
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ghostrider
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Torq]
#165441 - 05/17/12 12:10 PM (70.173.10.66)
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People want to impeach sm. I have yet to see those that want to invest in a game get in touch with those that supposedly can program and actually make a game.
What is the name or the url of the new games, since its that easy to do?
Seiously. you want sm gone but ovbiously you dont want to actually do anything but moan about it.
Interesting that sooo many people hate sm/nev now, but yet still log in thinking it will magically be changed overnight into a game they want. Press a button and kills anyone you want.
As much as I agree that some remarks are in bad (poor, horrible) taste, alot of the complainers are ones that have crossed that very line themselves. I have seen more then a few poor shots fired from all sides, including myself. Remember this when pointing fingers.
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NeverSayNever
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: ghostrider]
#165445 - 05/17/12 05:37 PM (78.48.130.171)
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People want to impeach sm. I have yet to see those that want to invest in a game get in touch with those that supposedly can program and actually make a game.
What is the name or the url of the new games, since its that easy to do?
Seiously. you want sm gone but ovbiously you dont want to actually do anything but moan about it.
Interesting that sooo many people hate sm/nev now, but yet still log in thinking it will magically be changed overnight into a game they want. Press a button and kills anyone you want.
As much as I agree that some remarks are in bad (poor, horrible) taste, alot of the complainers are ones that have crossed that very line themselves. I have seen more then a few poor shots fired from all sides, including myself. Remember this when pointing fingers.
Well, looks like there is (or was=) at least one group out there thinking about creating their own "mech oriented combat and empire building" game:
http://www.hocgaming.com/index.php?threads/game-creation.1921/
to quote "Kato" (sometimes AKA Katrar, at least IIRC):
Quote:
Patrovski, type/genre would be mech oriented combat and empire building. Ala nev, i3042, aow, etc but not sucking.
Pimp and GB have come up with a lot of design notes between them. Just a matter of getting them on the same page, working out an objective and putting it on paper. I'm sure there will be more soon.
Kato, Feb 5, 2012
'advocatus diaboli' mode on:
Who might profit if Neveron went down / out of business (= one competitor less for the same niche game market) or if the game ended up for sale and for cheap?
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
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Katrar
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165446 - 05/17/12 06:36 PM (152.117.133.130)
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Ghostrider, you should know better than to suggest that all people here have been doing is bitching. The better part of the past year and a half, and then several years prior, saw hundreds of constructive posts detailing a variety of ideas representing many playstyles presented, dissected and discussed. The reality is until relatively recently when it became clear that Neveron really was doomed under SM's leadership, most people would have been satisfied waiting for slow change. People didn't become upset for the last time because change wasn't fast enough, it was because the community was flipped the bird, and the changes that came very fast were terrible, terrible.
You are also wrong about people not leaving to create their own games when they became dissatisfied with Neveron. It has happened many times, including AoW and Invasion which both released, and had much help in design and at times administration by many people from the Nev community, games that are currently under development of which I know about two, and then potential games that have had serious discussion and a few design documents prepared.
So you can't honestly say nobody ever tried to do anything. Most everyone still on this forum, excluding you and a few others perhaps, have been involved in several.
But we all came from this place, and we all wanted to see it thrive, even if that day would not come fast, or entirely how we envisioned it. What I think none of us were interested in, yourself included, was being kicked to the curb, told to gtfo with your worthless ideas, oh but please deposit that paypal pool on your way out. That wasn't in anyone's cards, and rightfully so.
And yes, NSN, I go by both Katrar and Kato. Was I inferring correctly that you were accusing me of ulterior motives in attacking SM's behavior since January? lol as if an ulterior motive were necessary. And no, I'm not involved in that project, which is at the moment simple discussion/conjecture, as much as I would love to see something, somewhere, come to fruition that we could all enjoy.
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Edited by Katrar (05/17/12 06:40 PM)
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ghostrider
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Katrar]
#165448 - 05/18/12 01:19 AM (70.173.10.66)
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Ok, I mispoke for a few people. My apologizes. Most of the people here are griping about the game and not doing anything about it but griping. And a few that did something ended up selling what they made. I have seen a few people state they wanted to spend money on a game, but have not really heard them saying they would finance someone to code it. Rodon said he slated x amount for playing nev. Tzu Theory said something to that effect of wanting an investment as well. Daboss was another.
So why did everyone seem to stop playing the other games? What makes nev the game to play if you have options that are supposed to be better? Thought a majority of the crowd went over to invasion.
And there is alot of suggestions on the board. Recently there has been little besides rag feasts on the forums. Sorry if recent posts seem to have affected my perception of whats going on in the forums.
I am under the impression that people think that cursing and sending insults will get results. From what I can see, sm has some time to sit back and wait for certain people to stop logging in. Once that happens, then he can shape nev to the way he wants it. It will be on a smaller base then it is now, but there would be less friction from the 'old timers'. Wether you like it or not, either we play the owner/programmers way, or not at all. Sending insults and such just makes him dig in his heels even more. Nev will always have people donating to it as long as its up.
That is correct that I wasnt involved in alot of the other think tanks. Yeah had a few things I threw in when matt was trying to get tsw going. For the most part, i wasnt interested in playing a bunch of other games. Had things like diablo 2 to play. Still not interested in playing 30 online games. Would like to get 3 or so that are worth it. Nev was almost one, but with the cheats and problems catching up, it fell a little short. I added in a few suggestions that seemed to make it easier for a new player to come in, but most people hated everything seemingly because it meant they would have to work again to stay on top. They got used to an unbalanced game and didnt want to give it up. If I had the time in the game, I probably would be the same way.
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Torq
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: ghostrider]
#165452 - 05/18/12 01:45 PM (161.184.189.112)
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I want to live on your planet gr, where everything is about my perspective and the way I know things to be.
LMFAO
wow, just wow...
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Tzu_Theory
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Torq]
#165456 - 05/18/12 08:14 PM (108.48.75.190)
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Ghostrider, what in the world are you talking about?
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ghostrider
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Re: Impeach ShadowmasterCM as Neveron Admin?
[Re: Tzu_Theory]
#165457 - 05/18/12 10:36 PM (70.173.10.66)
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Tzu theory. Did you not say in the forums you were gonna invest in nev and sm shot you down? Sorry if I mistook that for wanting to invest in a game.
Im sorry if i dont live in the same world as half of the people here seem to where flowers grow out my butt. I get told I have no clue on things, but yet the experts seem to have missed the basic facts.They want sugar coating on things, but that wont change the basic flaws of the game. The game was fun when it was a challenge. Some think it was more fun when they could roll over anyone that wasnt a buddy. Go grab you trainers for the games you play and leave it there.
I agree sm hasnt done things the way most people think are correct. That is my opinion, but that doesnt mean that im correct. Most of the comments here seem to suggest that there is no other way of doing things except their way.
For those trolling the forums, impeach sm by stop logging into nev, and by extension putting up the flames on the forums. Make your own game and be done with it.
Maybe, just maybe if you werent using derogatory remarks and slinging insults, then maybe sm might listen to people. It is possible, he stopped listening because having statements like you stupid such and such, do things this way. For some that had other games, selling them would be a good sign that you didnt have all the facts straight yourselves. If you had, them why did you quit/not make another one?
Edited by Cray (05/19/12 07:17 AM)
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