TRYCORP
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Can Elementals..
#27462 - 03/31/02 02:06 PM (12.16.168.254)
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Can Elementals hop onto non-omni mechs? It says in Compendium they can't but they work with second line mechs on garrison too so why not?
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novakitty
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27464 - 03/31/02 04:26 PM (209.242.100.230)
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The customization to add hand-holds for elementals should be inconsequential.
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TenakaFurey
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27469 - 04/01/02 02:07 AM (195.92.194.15)
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How about this:
The customisation - i.e. handholds - is not important. Its simple.
What is more problematic is the gyro. The mass of an Elemental is not insubstantial and taxces the gyro - especially on lighter mechs. Gyros on Omnis are bettera bel to deal with shifting weights and centers of gravity due to their ability to be customised. Thus, they are better able to deal with the changes involved.
Liao gets around thsi by fittign their suits with magnetic clamps, allowing their troopers to move to compensate. The disadavantage is extra training time and troopers that are less fresh when they arrive at the battle.
OK?
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TRYCORP
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27475 - 04/01/02 10:22 AM (63.165.127.84)
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Oh sorry I didn't realize I could add them on.
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novakitty
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27476 - 04/01/02 11:48 AM (192.195.234.26)
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My point is that the handholds are not mentioned on any technical readouts, no crits or tonnage was devoted to them, so adding such holds to any existing mech should require little effort.
My personal opinion about the gyro point mentioned: Add a +1 to piloting rolls for every 5 tons of elemental on the mech.
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Hellbringer
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27492 - 04/02/02 08:18 AM (192.195.234.26)
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Isn't 5 tons of Elemental an entire point?
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TRYCORP
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27499 - 04/02/02 04:59 PM (64.12.102.54)
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As far as cargo space is concerned yes( I think) Its either 5 elementals is 1 ton of cargo space or 1 elemental is 1 ton. I will look in the book..
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Bob_Richter
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Yes and no.
#27502 - 04/02/02 06:12 PM (134.121.157.14)
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Officially, no.
But I don't see what's so frickin' hard about welding some carrying handles on. Sure, ONLY Omnis can carry power armor. Yeah. THAT'S the ticket. Talk about stupid.
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27503 - 04/02/02 06:14 PM (134.121.157.14)
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The Battlemech's gyroscope handily compensates for increases of up to 1/10th its mass (hand-carried cargo), and decreases up to the majority of its mass (battle damage.) This is not a problem.
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Karagin
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27514 - 04/02/02 09:07 PM (63.173.170.129)
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In some of the novels and fluff it's mention that some commanders have bars welded on to the non-omnis so the elementals can ride along, so I think they could do so if something like that was done...
Another case of the rules and the fluff not matching up...
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Greyslayer
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27515 - 04/02/02 09:10 PM (137.172.211.9)
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Yes though funny the difference these supposed 5 tons of infantry don't make (yet picking up a 2 ton medium pulse laser suddenly gives me problems if I am in a dasher my movement suddenly 1/2 of what it is), I've always had a problem with this.
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Karagin
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27516 - 04/02/02 09:35 PM (63.173.170.129)
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The entire cargo rules for both mechs and vehicles is so messed up that it's not funny...
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Nightmare
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27523 - 04/03/02 01:08 AM (194.251.240.107)
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The Elementals might be helping you along with their own
jump packs, just so you don`t lose movement...
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Greyslayer
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27526 - 04/03/02 01:38 AM (137.172.211.9)
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So you use force (upwards I guess) to lighten weight? Now say you tilt left this upward force would put undue strain on the gyro creating piloting modifiers that would be worse than without the jets on. Its 5 tons on a mech regardless of how you look at it. Handlebars or no it breaches the carry capacity for those mechs 50 tons and lighter.
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Nightmare
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27531 - 04/03/02 06:05 AM (194.251.240.107)
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I seem to have forgotten the smiley. But IIRC the 10% weight
limit has to do with how much a mech can lift with it`s hands,
not how much it can carry.
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Greyslayer
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27568 - 04/03/02 03:15 PM (63.12.145.106)
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It doesn't say how much it can carry with its hands at all (afterall a good % of mechs don't even have hands but the rules exist for all mechs). Even if say I had a form of carrying weight on a mech's back the rule exists (such as a mech sling).
Greyslayer
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Diablo
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Re: Can Elementals..
#27617 - 04/04/02 01:57 PM (206.186.185.6)
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if elementals can swarm, they can ride!
if tech's can weld, they can ride!
if a clan commander says ride, they can ride!
basicly an elemental can ride anything. so long as there is the proper mods.
the real question is can lementals ride vehicls or VTOL/aero?
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