Countergod
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something strange
#37125 - 08/20/02 03:28 PM (128.165.156.80)
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according to Neveron Info, there are 10 ton mech movement and structural concepts. Are the admins actually putting in 10 ton mechs? if not, these should be removed.
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airbagTTS
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Re: something strange
#37156 - 08/21/02 01:44 AM (129.69.61.251)
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they are only 'stepstones' like the landmines.
the mech struct concept 10 ton is a requirement for repair level 3. (if you would not have a 10 ton version you probably would have to get 20 ton for 500).
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Dagger26
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Re: something strange
#37193 - 08/21/02 10:13 AM (47.11.227.116)
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And besides, there is no such thing as a 10 ton mechs. Mechs start at 20 tons, although years ago, there was a 15 ton variant of the Flea.
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Acolyte
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Re: something strange
#37234 - 08/21/02 01:44 PM (142.179.27.248)
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I personally wouldn't use land mines as stepping stones...... 
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Countergod
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Re: something strange
#37237 - 08/21/02 01:49 PM (128.165.156.80)
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 ****UNCONTROLABLE LAUGHTER****
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To: All other empire leaders
From: Maj. NevLord Madman (Mad Man's Marauders [STB] )
Subject: Hi Neveron
Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck
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jaggeh
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Re: something strange
#37252 - 08/21/02 02:32 PM (159.134.225.124)
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WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
factory loaders and ship builders use "civ-mechs" non military 2 ton - 15 ton mechs.....
these were the original building blocks for the battlemech which i beleive was made around 2400 in the timeline....
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Stalker17
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Re: something strange
#37258 - 08/21/02 02:47 PM (65.83.147.31)
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I know of 3 10-ton mechs and several 15-tonners. The 10-tonners are the Junior (made by Davion), the Slowpoke (made by Liao), and the Wisp (made by Kurita).
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Countergod
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Re: something strange
#37271 - 08/21/02 03:11 PM (128.165.156.80)
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My point was that FASA or Wizkids never made any official 10 or 15 tonners.
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Subject: Hi Neveron
Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck
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Dagger26
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Re: something strange
#37294 - 08/21/02 04:28 PM (207.164.209.112)
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I conceed to Stalkers greater knowledge of the mech tonnages produced, but I know at least one 15 ton mech was in the records sheets of old and that was the Flea.
Perhaps Stalker can shed light on whether the others he mentioned were as well, although I have never seen them personally. And we are talking about Military machines, right? 
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Stalker17
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Re: something strange
#37345 - 08/22/02 04:32 AM (65.83.147.31)
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http://mgonetwork.com/~btarchive/islight.html
has them. a few are listed as "unknown" origin, the the Wisp actually has a source listed.
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jaggeh
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Re: something strange
#37352 - 08/22/02 06:24 AM (159.134.224.102)
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they arent official
the first mech to enter service as a battlemech was the mackie(which was redesigned in 3058)
the lightest combat mech is 20 tons
CLAN MECHS
NAME Tons CBV MNA C-Bills Eng W/R/J AF H CT Side A L HS Weapons
2L55 Baboon 20*tons 1182 205 1829840 140 7/11/0 58* 7 9/2 7/2 5 6 20* LRM5(72) LRM5 LRM5
OM50 Dasher-Primary 20* 1311 107 4189300 200* 10*/15/0 38* 5 5/2 4/2 3 4 20* ML+ ML+ SRM6(15) SRM4(25)
OM50 Dasher-A 20* 1313 103 4357300 200* 10*/15/0 38* 5 5/2 4/2 3 4 20* STK4(25) ams(24) beagle tag
OM50 Dasher-B 20* 1334 104 4096600 200* 10*/15/0 38* 5 5/2 4/2 3 4 20* MPL MPL MG(200) ecm apod
OM50 Dasher-C 20* 1276 105 4057300 200* 10*/15/0 38* 5 5/2 4/2 3 4 20* LRM5(48) LRM5 ams(48)
OM50 Dasher-D 20* 1363 106 4171300 200* 10*/15/0 38* 5 5/2 4/2 3 4 20* ML+ ML+ ML+ ML+ ML+ FL tarcomp
2L58 Piranha 20* 1037 0* 2660740 180* 9/14/0 64 8 9/3 8/2 6 6 10 ML+ ML+ SL+ MG(200) MG MG MG MG MG
IS MECHS
NAME Tons CBV MNA C-Bills Eng W/R/J AF H CT Side A L HS Weapons
3055 ALM-7D Fireball 20* 917 193 3133840 220* 11/17/0 64 9 9/2 8/2 5 7 10 STK2(50) MG(200)
VR25 FLE-4 Flea 20 777 112 1633200 120 6/9/0 32 5 5/2 3/1 3 3 10 LL SL SL FL*
VR25 FLE-15 Flea 20 783 113 1633200 120 6/9/0 48 5 8/3 5/3 4 4 10 ML ML FL MG(200) MG SL* SL*
3050 FLE-17 Flea 20* 834 114 1842000 120 6*/9/0 48 5 8/3 5/3 4 4 10 MPL MPL FL SL* SL*
VR25 HNT-151 Hornet 20 883 123 1311700 100 5/8/5 64 8 8/4 8/2 6 6 10 ML SL LRM5(24)
3050 HNT-171 Hornet 20* 909 124 1473400 100 5/8/3 63* 7 8/4 8/2 6 6 10 ML LRM5(48) () ams(12)
VR25 LCT-1E Locust 20 791 137 1685800 160 8/12/0 64 8 10/2 8/2 4 8 10 ML ML SL SL
VR50 LCT-1L Locust 20 772 138 1958800 160 8/12/0 64 8 10/2 8/2 4 8 10 ML MG(200) MG tsm
VR25 LCT-1M Locust 20 758 139 1646800 160 8/12/0 16 3 2/1 2/1 1 1 10 ML LRM5(24) LRM5
VR25 LCT-1S Locust 20 766 140 1622800 160 8/12/0 48 6 6/2 6/2 3 6 10 ML SRM2(50) SRM2
3025 LCT-1V Locust 20 752 141 1670800 160 8/12/0 64 8 10/2 8/2 4 8 10 ML MG(200) MG
VR50 LCT-3D Locust 20* 789 142 1675600 160 8/12/0 45* 7 6/2 5/1 4 5 10 LRM5(24) LRM5
3050 LCT-3M Locust 20* 855 143 1900000 160 8/12/0 54* 7 7/2 6/2 4 7 10 ML SL SL SL SL () ams(12)
VR50 LCT-3S Locust 20* 832 144 1687600 160 8/12/0 45* 7 6/2 5/1 4 5 10 ML STK2(50) STK2 ()
VR25 LCT-3V Locust 20 775 145 1658800 160 8/12/0 56 8 10/2 6/2 4 6 10 ML ML MG(100) MG
3050 MCY-97 Mercury 20 894 146 2082700 160 8*/12/0 54* 5 7/4 6/2 5 6 10 ML SL beagle
2750 MCY-99 Mercury 20 881 147 1908040 160 8*/12/0 54* 5 7/4 6/2 5 6 10 ML ML SL SL
VR25 STG-3G Stinger 20 979 164 1773840 120 6/9/6 64 8 8/4 7/3 6 7 10 ML ML
3025 STG-3R Stinger 20 936 165 1704240 120 6/9/6 48 4 6/4 6/2 4 5 10 ML MG(200) MG
3050 STG-5M Stinger 20* 1017 166 1856040 120 6/9/6 56 6 8/4 8/2 4 5 10 ML FL ams(12)
2750 THE-N Thorn 20* 906 167 1729920 120 6/9/0 69 9 8/4 6/4 6 8 10 ML ML LRM5(24) ()
3025 WSP-1A Wasp 20 929 181 1704240 120 6/9/6 48 4 6/4 6/2 4 5 10 ML SRM2(50)
VR25 WSP-1D Wasp 20 928 182 1747920 120 6/9/6 48 4 6/4 6/2 4 5 10 ML SL SL FL
VR25 WSP-1K Wasp 20 922 183 1723920 120 6/9/6 56 5 7/4 7/2 5 6 10 ML MG(200)
VR25 WSP-1L Wasp 20 915 184 1735920 120 6/9/6 48 4 6/4 6/2 4 5 10 SRM4(25)
VR50 WSP-1S Wasp 20* 968 185 1836720 120 6/9/6 54* 6 7/3 6/2 5 6 10 MPL SL SL FL
VR25 WSP-1W Wasp 20 917 186 1744930 120 6/9/6 48 4 6/4 6/2 4 5 10 SL SL SL SL SL SL
3050 WSP-3M Wasp 20* 980 187 1839120 120 6/9/6 45* 4 6/3 5/2 4 5 10 MPL SRM2(50) ()
VR50 WSP-3W Wasp 20 909 188 1768320 120 6/9/6 36* 3 5/2 5/1 3 4 10 SPL SPL SL SL SL SL
the only time combat units got smaller than 20 tons was in the instance of battlearmor and protomechs
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KamikazeJohnson
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Re: something strange
#37382 - 08/22/02 12:36 PM (142.161.0.92)
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One of the older TROs (either 2750 or 3050, c1992) listed a 15-ton Flea. This might be an outdated edition, newer editions eliminating or modifying the Flea design, but there most definitely was an official 15-ton 'Mech. I'm pretty sure it was TRO: 2750.
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Stalker17
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Re: something strange
#37393 - 08/22/02 03:12 PM (65.83.147.31)
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I can't find a flea in the list of 2750 mechs, there's a 20-ton one in the 3025 TRO.
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Stalker17
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Re: something strange
#37395 - 08/22/02 03:15 PM (65.83.147.31)
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stats on the Wisp: (only one with a source listed)
Source: BattleTechnology: The Early Years
Mass: 10 tons
Chassis: DeMarc Endo-Light
Power Plant: Hermes 100 XL
Cruising Speed: 106.7 kph
Maximum Speed: 159.8 kph, 213 kph w/MASC
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Jungston Duralight
Armament:
1 Devron MX-2 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Rawlings Technical
Communications System: Romarc Com-2000
Targeting and Tracking System: Valdmuir Duotac-10
Here's a 15-tonner called the Guardian:
Source: BattleTechnology Year-End 3049
Mass: 15 tons
Chassis: Shield 1
Power Plant: Leenex 60
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Duralex Light
Armament:
5 SperryBrowning Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Silver Shield Security
Primary Factory: None
Communications System: Garret T10 B
Targeting and Tracking System: Dynatec 990
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KamikazeJohnson
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Re: something strange
#37396 - 08/22/02 03:20 PM (142.161.54.31)
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>>I can't find a flea in the list of 2750 mechs, there's a 20-ton one in the 3025 TRO. <<
Not in the 3025 TRO I always used...
Just proof that different editions of each TRO do have differences in the 'Mechs listed. The 15-ton Flea was likely removed for a later edition of the whatever TRO it was in.
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Countergod
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Re: something strange
#37435 - 08/22/02 09:44 PM (12.74.0.69)
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I have every old TRO, and there is no mechs <20 tons in them. I dont know about the revised editions, but I will quote from the Battletech Master rules book, the second newest one. This is from pg 148 "Rules Changes"
"BattleMechs lighter than 20 tons can no longer be constructed (p. 109) [FASA has never published a 'Mech under 20 and the rules as written don't really work for units that light. Players commonly use these rules to exploit the charging rules by creating excessively fast, light 'Mechs.]
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From: Maj. NevLord Madman (Mad Man's Marauders [STB] )
Subject: Hi Neveron
Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck
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jaggeh
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Re: something strange
#37480 - 08/23/02 07:55 AM (159.134.225.242)
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the 15 ton flea was a typo in a limited set of 3025 books, as was the 55ton commando
i have never heard of the book your quoting from stalker, if you could link me to a copy to buy or give me the isbn number i will verify it.
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jaggeh
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Re: something strange
#37525 - 08/23/02 03:23 PM (62.221.12.215)
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xl engines were made towards the end of the star league era, the tech was lost when kerensky led the exodus.
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Stalker17
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Re: something strange
#37566 - 08/24/02 04:40 AM (65.83.147.31)
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I'm just quoting from the site, I've never heard of that book before either.
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Countergod
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Re: something strange
#37612 - 08/24/02 02:04 PM (65.68.129.50)
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This is the correct course of events, but actually, 3050 came first, then 2750 (aleast according to the *REAL* copywrite dates ) Anyways, see my quote from the second newest rules book.
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From: Maj. NevLord Madman (Mad Man's Marauders [STB] )
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Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck
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