Psychosis
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war against mmm
#48566 - 01/31/03 08:25 AM (195.92.67.76)
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My empire is young but i have noticed others who are unhappy with MMM leading. is there actually a war against him and his cronies or do people just moan and not do anything about it. Does anyone actually think it is possible to topple him from power and the new faction be powerful enough to take control and keep it from others who would want to take it?
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Vapor
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Re: war against mmm
#48567 - 01/31/03 08:30 AM (202.128.69.122)
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It's pretty much all just moaning. lol The effort it would take to remove him from his position of dominance would affect all of Neveron, and most of it in a bad way. You're more than welcome to try, though. I'll be behind you all the way. WAY behind you. 
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Kit_fox
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Re: war against mmm
#48575 - 01/31/03 10:03 AM (129.138.32.68)
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although killing off mmm seems like a good idea, he is the only one producing most high level vehicles, and if you want to see mechs being produced by anyone but NASI anytime soon killing him off is an even worse idea.
I think people who yell about MMM are just mostly pissed that they arn't as large as he is (I know that I would like 1 tech complex, let alone how many HE probably has. Hell, most of my empires can't even build Repair facilities). MMM really doesn't attack anyone at all, so there really is no reason to be pissed at him for anything.
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Psychosis
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Re: war against mmm
#48595 - 01/31/03 12:35 PM (195.92.67.75)
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My empire is much to small to even care at the moment i cant afford his mechs or any mechs for that matter. as i said it is mostly moaning that they arent as big as was said before.
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Ugleb
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Re: war against mmm
#48742 - 02/01/03 07:13 AM (80.4.78.228)
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There is a nice long debate about this somewhere. We went on for quite awhile, and generally concluded that development on Neveron would be set back several real life years while everyone rebuilt from the utter carnage.
It is THEORETICALLY possible to take down MMM, but it would require unprecedented co-operation and co-ordination. So it's not going to happen for a very long time. If ever.
But really there's no reason to try it. MMM hasn't really made many enemies. Any serious opposition that did exist has either made peace or was destroyed a long time ago.
Feel free to dig out that thread (may be called "Doomsday Scenario" or something similar), but please don't bring it back up unless you have something genuinely worth mentioning. 
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Moraelin
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Re: war against mmm
#48845 - 02/01/03 06:07 PM (217.83.138.110)
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Just one quick note: some people will complain, but personally I don't think there's been any real discontent or opposition, or not on any signifficant scale.
Basically MMM doesn't really "lead", much less anything like "rule". It's just the biggest empire, yes, and built with some _massive_ DP. As such, you can guess it's a prime candidate for something to complain about. But it also seems to be a very peaceful manufacturing empire. Good enough at defending what's his, but not particularly inclined to conquer what's not. Other people have caused far more grief, with far less of a cash contribution to Neveron.
Apparently at one point he did proclaim himself "NeverLord" or some such, but from what I understand, it was just a way to get access to his repair bays and other advantages, if you just paid him 1% of your income. For the vast majority of empires, the benefits would have been far more than the cost, and generally a lot more bang-per-buck than the current factions. But please bear in mind that I wasn't around at the time, so I may well be wrong. Either way, it seems to have come to naught, and noone would really consider him a sort of a liege lord of all Neveron, nor anything of the kind.
But for at least half a year or so, from what I can tell, most interaction that people had with MMM was buying reasonably priced tanks from him.
Somewhat of an unfortunate side effect, is that being such a visible "landmark", people tend to use MMM as the Standard Neveron Yardstick (TM). How long would it take MMM to research that? How many crews could MMM afford? How much BV in a lance could MMM use in a landwar? Etc, etc, etc. Which, unfortunately, is a piss-poor way to balance a game: it's not at all representative of an average empire's experience in the game, and much less so for a newly started empire. The cruel reality is that if something takes MMM, say, 4 years to research, it would likely take a new empire between 40 and 400 years to do the same thing. The yardstick for balancing Neveron should IMHO be Random J Newbie, who just joined Neveron as it is now, not MMM. But, well, I'm not sure you can really blame MM himself for that.
Either way, what I'm trying to say is that at least for me MMM is not really someone worth trying to eliminate. Even completely forgetting about the size difference and anything, fact remains that, well, he never did me or anyone I know any harm.
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American_Militia
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Re: war against mmm
#49432 - 02/04/03 09:51 PM (24.224.0.63)
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All said consider this, though many may be jealous of his prosperity... he is peaceful unless provoked. Imagine a sadistic war-monger in the driving seat of all that power and wealth... THAT would be something to worry about. Just think for a moment, what if he got a wild hair one day and decided to go "sport conquering" on empires. can you imagine the destruction? SOMEONE has to be the big dog on the block, I am just glad that this big dog does not bite!! 
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Re: war against mmm
#49485 - 02/05/03 04:46 AM (213.249.155.237)
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MMM is a pretty cool guy. he dishes out well priced tanks and suchlike and pretty soon he'll be making mechs. taking him out would set nev back decades, even centuries. if you wanna (try to) take him out psychosis, go ahead, just don't complain when you get squished like a bug.
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Psychosis
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Re: war against mmm
#49576 - 02/05/03 01:59 PM (195.92.67.76)
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u must be mistaken my friend i at no point said i wanted to topple him from power even if i wanted to i hav no means what so ever to do so. i was just stating that so many ppl whinge about him and do nuthing. they may as well all be silent and stop takin up space on the forums. just like i have  so pleez read all post and read carefully before responding. out
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Flameseeker
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Re: war against mmm
#50214 - 02/09/03 06:09 PM (12.223.136.129)
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When he makes mechs, I doubt he will sell more than 25% of them. Are you going to sell your PHXs, or hoard them.
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Psychosis
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Re: war against mmm
#50223 - 02/09/03 07:16 PM (195.92.67.69)
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soon a new mech producing empire shall bring there fresh designs onto the market. there will b no need for mm to produce his puny assault mechs..... 
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Psychosis
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Re: war against mmm
#50224 - 02/09/03 07:17 PM (195.92.67.69)
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i cant believe a post i made is still surviving im very proud and soon i will awatd myself a medal.
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TheDeadlyShoe
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Re: war against mmm
#50243 - 02/09/03 11:31 PM (4.40.153.191)
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news flash, the mechs madman will be making will be urbies. a bit later than that he might get some other lights...like...hornets.
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anderclayton
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Re: war against mmm
#50254 - 02/10/03 12:14 AM (66.52.197.28)
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He isn't making mechs right now.
The only ones making mechs right now are the admins.
I don't think anyone is as close as he is to making them but he is only going to be able to make the small ones anytime soon.
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Stalker17
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Re: war against mmm
#50271 - 02/10/03 04:48 AM (216.78.134.41)
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yea, or MAYBE fleas...
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Ugleb
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Re: war against mmm
#50556 - 02/11/03 02:44 PM (80.4.78.228)
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The first Mech could be a Lemming.
20 Tons
Walk 1
Run 2
Jump 0
Armour 0.5 Tons
Heat Sinks 10
Weapons: Pointy Stick.
Range 0
Power 0
Stealth -1
ECM 0
His first mech is going to be really crude, as it is his FIRST mech. Logical, no?
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Psychosis
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Re: war against mmm
#50588 - 02/11/03 05:57 PM (195.92.67.68)
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or maybe.....he wont produce a mech until he can produce a decent one??? i dont think the lemming would fare well even against my AR platoon. although they cant really even hit a target straight ahead of em
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Dakain
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Re: war against mmm
#50592 - 02/11/03 06:24 PM (68.13.201.36)
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actually defeating mm would be fairly easy. Most of his zones may be undefended due to the fact that he thinks no one would be stupid enough to take him out. FC and Kraken could do it with all their empires because mm doc and mobilazion cost would be enourmus. Also since he is in the top 100 for alot things it would be fairly easy to get intell on him.
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Stalker17
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Re: war against mmm
#50674 - 02/12/03 04:49 AM (68.159.7.120)
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ummm... can we say STUPID. People have talked about that before, but even if that's true he will still level almost everyone who attacks him...
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Kit_fox
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Re: war against mmm
#50690 - 02/12/03 10:08 AM (129.138.32.68)
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First off, there is the fact that you neglect to mention. He could easily donate for a company of heavy/assult mechs and skill them down.
Second of all, how much you want to bet that most (all?) of his zones that are undefended have no cities in them? That means that although youa re taking zones from him, you are reducing his costs (increasing his income) while increasing your costs (reducing your income)
Third, if you are going to say something like Kraken and all his empires then you need to include all of MMMs empires too.
There is a whole long thread where we already talked about everything said in here and more. Go read it.
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Jere_RB
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Re: war against mmm
#50694 - 02/12/03 11:46 AM (24.117.56.74)
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Basically, it comes down to this:
MMM's empires and his friends Vs. Everyone Else.
Who wins?
MMM and his friends.
Why?
Because it's a lot easeir to coordinate 4-5 empires of high BV than thousands of little empires controlled by hundreds of different players, plain and simple.
Besides which, the last thing Nev wants is a MMM vs. everyone else war. In case you haven't noticed, the vast majority of high-end parts being sold and more than a few vehicles are all from Mad Man's factories. I really don't want that supply to dry up anytime soon, so a war is not in my best interest.
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Moraelin
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Re: war against mmm
#50717 - 02/12/03 03:07 PM (80.134.234.185)
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Well, even if it weren't for his factories (which, admittedly, produce more stuff than NASI does), the fact still remains that he never did me or my allies any harm. Being the "peaceful until provoked" idiot that I am, honestly, I'd rather than more players were like MadMan. If it ever came to a "the World vs MadMan" war, and of course unless my faction and alliance duties say otherwise, I'd probably volunteer my mechs in defense of MM, not against him. Not because I'd expect any rewards, but because, well, I can relate more to someone who's built a manufacturing empire than to someone who donated far less to harvest infra from his neighbours. That's simply the kind of player I can relate more to.
Of course, it's not like MM or any of the large players will ever need any help from little old me, so this is all just idle talk anyway.
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Dakain
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Re: war against mmm
#50720 - 02/12/03 04:00 PM (68.13.201.36)
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hypothetically if there was an emp that was equal to mmm in every way like an exact oposite except the guy was a better piolit and he took mmm down how long do you think it would take him to produce mechs?
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Ugleb
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Re: war against mmm
#51161 - 02/16/03 09:14 AM (80.4.78.228)
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Come again? Exactly the same amount of time it will take Mad Man.....?
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Kit_fox
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Re: war against mmm
#51162 - 02/16/03 09:25 AM (129.138.32.68)
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Well, if he were to take over mmm's infrastructure it would actually be about twice as fast. So only 25 RL years instead of 50.
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slaine202
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Re: war against mmm
#51237 - 02/17/03 05:50 AM (134.146.0.6)
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Personally, I think we need regime change.
I mean, he has repeatedly refused to implement U.N. (United Neveron) Resolution 1441, that "MMM should forthwith commence production of Weapons of Mass Detruction...." (mechs).
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Spike
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Re: war against mmm
#51424 - 02/18/03 01:26 PM (64.12.96.167)
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Mad Man Marauders isn't the empire I would want to get on the bad side of. I think I speak for most of the players who know who they are. They produce some of the most devasting tanks and mechs. Like I said before, I would like to be on its good side rather than its enemy.
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person
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Re: war against mmm
#51444 - 02/18/03 02:29 PM (166.90.87.92)
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In reply to:
They produce some of the most devasting tanks and mechs.
MMM doesn't produce mechs yet
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Spike
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Re: war against mmm
#51504 - 02/18/03 06:29 PM (152.163.189.136)
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Funny. I thought they did...not even low class ones?
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Flameseeker
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Re: war against mmm
#51516 - 02/18/03 07:15 PM (66.82.9.28)
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Guess what our faction just did? Yup, only it's MMI and MMI, not MMM and STB. Kinda sucks right now.
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