Marathon
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NooB factions...
#151763 - 08/25/08 05:20 PM (81.5.138.156)
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Love your NOOB - The idea of NooB factions as an alternative to NOOB is and has been bandied about a little in chat and in forums. Thing is when I thought about it some more, it becomes clear that it is actually something that could be put together and administered by the playerbase...IF we could trust each other to do it.
Construction - To begin with - 2x factions. Ok so NooBs have to go through the island process. However, it can be made abundantly clear through forums, NooBmail, pubmail and chat that NooBs can be moved off the island, even very early in the piece, to main nev planet under the protection of Faction A or B. The faction leader of each faction Im thinking would need to be at least level 9 to ensure that lots of space for 50+ Noob emps of lvl 1,2,3 to join.
Each faction is led by a quality nev veteran who has a good reputation overall and can be trusted to keep nev faction politics out of the nurturing of Noobs.
Further consideration would need to be given as to how long players can remain in Noob or what level they can achieve to avoid people compiling massive assets and crazy rep/gunners etc...although this may not last long when free of the NooB artena anyways.
Battle - Wars between Noob factions work simply in that empires open to your level are fairgame as per usual nev rules. However, *waits for the naysayers* it would be my view that in this arena, gangbanging is not acceptable. Yes - it is a practice that occurs in wider nev. No it is not fun as a Noob to watch all your crap go up in smoke at the hands of several empires and notknow a damn thing about how to stop it. Yes it only takes 1 or 2 gangbangs in real nev to learn about how to manage it so that learning can occur afterwards. Thoughts welcome of course.
If you want to fight someone outside of the Noob faction, that is your choice, but that is also essentially your trial of position (I am a clanner afterall  ) You make the decision, you are out of the NooB faction you joined regardless of how your war goes.
Monitoring - NooB emps will be known through the faction directory. Therefore, you hit a NooB empire, the world knows about it in the logs. It would also seem to be much harder to be a NooBraper in main neveron as almost all empires are factioned...everyone knows where your doorstep is...
Recompense - much as Koolaid does for the current NooB setup, the expectation would be that should the resources of the factionleader of these NooBfactions be stretched, the community as a whole would provide support. Perhaps as a reward for essentially running a non-fighting, high level empire, some kind of DP incentive could be considered through DP pools. Then again, the two FL's could always have a fight every now and then for fun.
Do it - Anyways its just an idea, but fortunately I think one we can control, police and administer effectively with the right people in the right places. It might even tempt one or two long-time players who have recently left or considering leaving Neveron to stay around to share their knowledge and help grow the game. I mean come on - everyone talks about fostering the playerbase and turning this game around, but lets do something about it? We cant do anything about the admin situation for now but we can try to keep the spluttering flame alive. Im no old timer but in the 2+ years Ive been here this game has deteriorated drammatically in well-documented ways. Put your DP where your mouth is - at least if in 12 months time the whole thing has gone to crap then in our moaning for the past we can a least say we gave it a shot.
Throw in your ideas.
Respectfully,
Marathon
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Antaris
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: Marathon]
#151765 - 08/26/08 07:15 AM (145.94.72.19)
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Marathon, good thread.
This game definately needs to expand the player base, and with an admin becoming active again there is the possibility that we may find a way to keep the noobs safe as well as allow them to have fun.
Problems are its not always older players that make new empires to rape the noobs, new players also do this. So you may get a new player that wants to build his empire while another player just wants to war. Maybe to limit the problems this can cause attack fees for the noobs should be implimented again, though at a reasonable fee.
As a noob you usually don't have that much money so small attack fees would limit the attack abilities of the newer players. They should still be able to have enough war to sate their thirst, but shouldn't be able to walk through 5 empires a week or whatever.
Just my thoughts
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buc
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: Antaris]
#151851 - 09/16/08 05:08 AM (219.89.232.178)
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I'd be happy to concider starting and running one noob only faction, if we can get some sort of agreements from alliances on protection etc. Being me, I guess people wont like that but I'll put myself forward as an option.
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cbtgod
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: buc]
#151855 - 09/16/08 09:38 AM (97.97.246.88)
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id this 2 yrs ago and we got pounded non stop? why would anything change now so the noob island killers would just move off the island. come on gilligan lets go kill noobs!
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buc
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: cbtgod]
#151858 - 09/16/08 01:56 PM (219.89.232.178)
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exactly. Would have to be some sort of game wide 'hit this faction with elite stuff and you die' type thing
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andrewne
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: Marathon]
#152528 - 11/23/08 04:23 PM (74.241.194.126)
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Be wary! That noob could be the next "dishonorable," super aggressive, DP whore. Noobs should be feared and snuffed out pre-emptively. I am honored to be protecting the nev community from the noob incursion.
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Fang
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: andrewne]
#152582 - 11/26/08 08:20 PM (75.181.134.71)
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Isn't ShadowMasterCM attempting this very type thing now? I say we give as much support as possible to this.
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ShadowMasterCM
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Re: NooB factions...
[Re: Fang]
#152623 - 11/30/08 04:05 PM (74.65.6.135)
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yes I am attempting to do exactly this. I am in the process [waiting on Admins] to merge the few empires I have left into a single main empire, which will then be the FL of said Noob Faction.
The Faction I am converting is currently named Reign of Hell [RoH]. The FL empire will be Loserville. I have sent TA requests to all the largest FLs currently in the game. If you are a producer and dont mind maintaining a TA, then please send a TA to Loserville and let me know what items I can buy for stocks to the Noobs as they join this Noob Faction on the mainland.
Check my faction page or contact me in chat if you have any other questions.
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ShadowMasterCM
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[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#158325 - 04/09/10 02:01 AM (67.246.253.214)
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I have since renamed the above faction and it is in fact housing n00bs as they leave Noob Isle. This new factions name is [Newbie]. As I stated above, the Faction Leader is my main empire, Loserville.
I have been able to set up several NAPs and TAs with some of the major producers. I will ask again if there are any others that would like to make things official on the Non Aggression Pacts, or can offer up some additional discounted items at Trade Alliance pricing, please send mail or treaty requests to Loserville.
If you are looking to join this mainland faction, then please carefully read the faction page info. Any player who violates those terms and decides to go wild bill will quickly find them selves homeless on the mainland! :O)
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ghostrider
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Re: [Newbie]
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#158392 - 04/13/10 03:44 PM (70.170.54.41)
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are you gonna make the fl unattackable/cannt war? i know that sounds like favoritism, but i wouldnt put it past a few of the players to hit your bays/parts area once they figure it out.
another suggestion. will you have another noob/newbie faction that will allow them to fight each other without having to deal with the politics currently in the game? possibly make something like noob island. maybe set it up so its like an arena area to battle in. maybe even have the quests run on it.
any empire that isnt part of the noob/newbie faction cannt even be on it, and once booted from either, you would be forced off it.
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ShadowMasterCM
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Re: [Newbie]
[Re: ghostrider]
#158396 - 04/13/10 04:09 PM (67.246.253.214)
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not sure what the question is about the noob fighting...NOOB Isle and n00b faction already address the issue.
all new empires START on Noob Isle, in n00b Faction. they can freely attack each other [even tho they are in the same faction, unlike mainland factions]. they can not be attacked by mainland empires of same levels. aside from the noob killer type empires created on the isle, they are pretty much fighting other noobs, learning to war, learning the game mechanics etc.
as for quests, yes there will be new quests added, teaching them everything about the game from start to finish. the actual location for the quest zones used on the map, i suppose we could use actual zones on noob isle. not sure where WWS has them set up atm, but where ever it is, it doesnt impact the quest or its outcome, so it really doesnt matter.
the entire point of me creating the mainland [Newbie] faction was because of the poorly executed noob isle rules. things like auto booted from n00b faction if you hit L3 is absurd. mid war, and you suddenly have no RB access? just stupid. so people may not have been ready to move to mainland, might not have found a new faction to call home, and suddenly they are wandering around Noob Isle with no support, because they won the last war.
I intend to make help systems, quests and tweak the noob isle features. once those are completed, there will be no need to have a player controlled [newbie] style faction. so its more likely that [Newbie] will be disbanded in the longer term. no need to make noob isle 2, or n00b2 faction. just need to fix the first n00b faction, and the rules on noob isle.
as for the specifics of what rules will run noob isle and noob faction, those have not been determined just yet, and will likely be a seperate forum discussion when the time comes to address that
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TRK
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Re: [Newbie]
[Re: ghostrider]
#158427 - 04/14/10 02:10 PM (209.89.3.33)
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like an arena area?
already are arenas, they jsut suck atm...
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ghostrider
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Re: [Newbie]
[Re: TRK]
#158432 - 04/14/10 02:40 PM (70.170.54.41)
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was thinking of an area that would contain only bv, no cities. zones are not owned, and can be used by anyone to hit another person. probably too much coding, and i guess this should be in its own posted area..
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buc
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Re: [Newbie]
[Re: ghostrider]
#158441 - 04/14/10 04:29 PM (210.86.1.168)
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yeah, sounds like arenas to me, but the old style of arenas.
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