Pimpslap
Sergeant Major
Reged: 03/13/03
Posts: 365
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Post your training cost
#163801 - 02/08/12 09:54 AM (12.171.57.50)
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Just trying to see how this effects everyone.
Set training rate
Training level Daily cost
none 0 set rate
minimum 5,262,450 set rate
extremely low 13,156,125 set rate
very low 26,312,250 set rate
low 39,468,375 set rate
normal 52,624,500 set rate
high 78,936,750 set rate
very high 105,249,000 set rate
extremely high 157,873,500 set rate
elite 263,122,500 set rate
maximum 526,245,000
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mattbuck
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Pimpslap]
#163803 - 02/08/12 10:02 AM (128.243.253.104)
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none 0 set rate
minimum 1,010,900 set rate
extremely low 2,527,250 set rate
very low 5,054,500 set rate
low 7,581,750 set rate
normal 10,109,000 set rate
high 15,163,500 set rate
very high 20,218,000 set rate
extremely high 30,327,000 set rate
elite 50,545,000 set rate
maximum 101,090,000 set rate
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mattbuck
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: mattbuck]
#163804 - 02/08/12 10:03 AM (128.243.253.104)
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Oh, and I would like to just point out this stupid thing:
If it is possible to choose "none", then what is advertised as "minimum" isn't actually minimum.
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Phred
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Posts: 174
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: mattbuck]
#163805 - 02/08/12 10:22 AM (137.186.132.65)
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How can an empire possibly afford maximum?
This system seems to make little sense other than trying to get rid of all the spare nevcash out there.
none 0 set rate
minimum 739,200 set rate
extremely low 1,848,000 set rate
very low 3,696,000 set rate
low 5,544,000 set rate
normal 7,392,000 set rate
high 11,088,000 set rate
very high 14,784,000 set rate
extremely high 22,176,000 set rate
elite 36,960,000 set rate
maximum 73,920,000 set rate
Edited by Phred (02/08/12 11:36 AM)
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cbtgod
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Phred]
#163808 - 02/08/12 10:59 AM (72.77.197.22)
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Training level Daily cost
none 0 set rate
minimum 2,878,400 set rate
extremely low 7,196,000 set rate
very low 14,392,000 set rate
low 21,588,000 set rate
normal 28,784,000 set rate
high 43,176,000 set rate
very high 57,568,000 set rate
extremely high 86,352,000 set rate
elite 143,920,000 set rate
maximum 287,840,000 set rate
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buc
Captain
Reged: 08/12/05
Posts: 709
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: cbtgod]
#163819 - 02/08/12 12:44 PM (125.239.227.29)
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One thing we've found on this, is that you're being charged training on uncommed units
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Phred
Sergeant
Reged: 01/20/12
Posts: 174
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: buc]
#163824 - 02/08/12 01:57 PM (161.184.189.112)
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What's that now?
Oh wait, yes, my mil maint is (normal 7,392,000 set rate) exactly that. Which does include uncommisioned vehicles.
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Toten
Sergeant
Reged: 03/18/08
Posts: 147
Loc: Australia
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Phred]
#163826 - 02/08/12 02:13 PM (131.242.135.253)
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none 0 set rate
minimum 595,650 set rate
extremely low 1,489,125 set rate
very low 2,978,250 set rate
low 4,467,375 set rate
normal 5,956,500 set rate
high 8,934,750 set rate
very high 11,913,000 set rate
extremely high 17,869,500 set rate
elite 29,782,500 set rate
maximum 59,565,000
There goes my Daily Net Cash flow and it won't be long before Current Funds are in the negative. Outstanding work SM!
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slaine202
Sergeant Major
Reged: 01/24/03
Posts: 271
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Toten]
#163827 - 02/08/12 02:29 PM (90.200.65.101)
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Mine looks low compared to others posted ... level 8 emp.
none 0 set rate
minimum 175,950 set rate
extremely low 439,875 set rate
very low 879,750 set rate
low 1,319,625 set rate
normal 1,759,500 set rate
high 2,639,250 set rate
very high 3,519,000 set rate
extremely high 5,278,500 set rate
elite 8,797,500 set rate
maximum 17,595,000 set rate
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Hythos
Sergeant
Reged: 05/09/10
Posts: 148
Loc: USA
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: slaine202]
#163829 - 02/08/12 03:38 PM (137.78.94.87)
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11.3k BV:
0--------none
6,250---minimum
15,625--extremely low
31,250--very low
46,875--low
62,500--normal
93,750--high
125,000-very high
187,500-extremely high
312,500-elite
625,000-maximum
Edit:
Currently set to Maximum:
1 training check has been performed. 4 units have improved through training
Edited by Hythos (02/08/12 03:44 PM)
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NeverSayNever
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 11/18/02
Posts: 1655
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Pimpslap]
#163830 - 02/08/12 03:49 PM (92.227.68.70)
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What's your problem, people?
Insufficient daily NevCash flow to afford the maximum training level all day long till eternity?
Either adopt and adjust your min/max-ing habits (for example simply lower the training rate level, or reduce your number of units per empire), or ... simply get one (or more, if wanted / deemed 'necessary') extra, DP only income doublers for one of your large, NevCash infra 'farm' empires, you know, to help support the game ...
Ooops, sorry, I almost forgot, my current training cost/s:
Quote:
Set training rate
Training level Daily cost
none 0 set rate
[...]
Life is just so much easier, and cheaper as well (no training = no training costs), once you stop worrying about the rat race between the skill degradation code and the new training code.
Simply get a few new "Perfect soldiers", and or drop some DPs on DP-only unit skill reduction, when needed (= while at war).
Of course this little luxury is only an affordable option if you keep your empire/s lean and small ...
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
Edited by NeverSayNever (02/08/12 04:13 PM)
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buc
Captain
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Posts: 709
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163833 - 02/08/12 04:19 PM (210.86.1.168)
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NSN, the problem is not people wanting MAX, but people unable to afford the lowest levels, since this is an additional cost over an above maint etc. IE, the emp Pimp posted, for the lowest level it is costing him an additional 5 mil per nev day.
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Rodon
Sergeant
Reged: 01/04/08
Posts: 146
Loc: Augusta, Ga
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: buc]
#163834 - 02/08/12 06:26 PM (184.43.66.186)
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Wonder what the next fiasco will be. If I am understanding this correctly Maximum training is about 5 times this kingdoms daily income,(NevDay Income: $ 98,039,000 17). Even SM ought to understand the consequences of this situation. Even at the lower end of the spectrum this is un-sustainable.
Battle Value [BV]: 5,193,326
Select Training Rate Cost per NevDay
No Training $0
Minimum $4,781,200
Extremely Low $11,953,000
Very Low $23,906,000
Low Training $35,859,000
Normal Training $47,812,000
High Training $71,718,000
Very High $95,624,000
Extremely High $143,436,000
Elite Training $239,060,000
Maximum $478,120,000
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Phred
Sergeant
Reged: 01/20/12
Posts: 174
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Rodon]
#163835 - 02/08/12 07:04 PM (161.184.189.112)
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It has become quite clear to me now what he wants. Maybe I was a bit slower than others but the light has finally shone for me. Seeing these numbers... it is blatantly so.
Do I even need to ask about training facilities? Yeah, stupid question.
Edited by Phred (02/08/12 07:09 PM)
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rantamplan
Sergeant Major
Reged: 03/26/03
Posts: 341
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Phred]
#163840 - 02/09/12 12:36 AM (84.127.161.179)
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Daily Net Cash Flow Subtotal: $ 955,683
Training costs:
No Training $0
Minimum $285,650
Extremely Low $714,125
Very Low $1,428,250
Low Training $2,142,375
Normal Training $2,856,500
High Training $4,284,750
Very High $5,713,000
Extremely High $8,569,500
Elite Training $14,282,500
Maximum $28,565,000
Can't choose more than "extremely low" or be broke LoL
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Hannibal
Recruit
Reged: 04/30/03
Posts: 140
Loc: Australia
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: rantamplan]
#163844 - 02/09/12 04:37 AM (144.131.32.83)
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Sigh. The sad thing is that this system actually has potential.
However, there are several things that need to be changed to make this work:
1. Sm, please for the love of god, do not listen to the hired help.
2. Reduce the maximum amount payable by at least a factor of 5, better would be a factor of 10. All amounts below that should be reduced in line with that.
3. Remove the skill up program. SM, Randy is selling you a pig in a poke if you think this will aid the game. You need to think about this very very carefully. By enacting a skill up program in conjunction with an appalling training program, in conjunction with terrain that requires very very good skills to hit units; and you have a revolt on your hands.
I am not saying this idea can not work. The numbers you are providing simply do not and can not work. My empire is totally self sufficient. However, as I have decided to use factories instead of commercial to raise income for my emp I make only 500k per nev day.
Finally, SM your credibilty has taken a massive hit over the last 8 weeks. Whether it is justified or not is not the point. However, when you start a system that charges the total military cost to an empire that INCLUDES STORED VEHICLES you have serious issues.
Cheers
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Tigre
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 02/10/03
Posts: 1833
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Hannibal]
#163851 - 02/09/12 08:21 AM (216.130.147.106)
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No Training $0
Minimum $2,083,600
Extremely Low $5,209,000
Very Low $10,418,000
Low Training $15,627,000
Normal Training $20,836,000
High Training $31,254,000
Very High $41,672,000
Extremely High $62,508,000
Elite Training $104,180,000
Maximum $208,360,000
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ghostrider
Lieutenant
Reged: 03/26/10
Posts: 521
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Tigre]
#163858 - 02/09/12 11:18 AM (70.173.25.223)
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NO rodon. training is based on the number of units you have. For some people, ie low level lw, their training is alot lower then the standard empire, well the lw empires that are tenetd so they dont have defensive units.
I agree with the fact the system is charging way to much. It is stupid to charge unused vehicles in this as well.
Guess it goes to the old saying, 'careful what you wish for, you might just get it'.
I agree partially with the skill ups. They should affect skills below the normal, ie about 4.
Problem with the whole skill up system is all units skill up, and only about 1/4 to 1/8 actually skill back down before the next skill up. And that was with the old training. Out of 5 empires, i have seen maybe 10 skill downs so far, and thats being nice. Granted i got them on normal or worse, since i cannt afford anything more.
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Phred
Sergeant
Reged: 01/20/12
Posts: 174
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: ghostrider]
#163859 - 02/09/12 11:26 AM (161.184.189.112)
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I am pretty sure it is based on maintenace of said units, not the number, the exception being the stored vehicles.
So, we pay what? $500 a veh to be stored? A day? Thats steep... Plus we get charged $500 for training a unit on normal, but it has no crew, so no benefit is gained. So I am spending $1000 a nevday PER VEHICLE. 1000 vehicles is a million a nevday. That is purely ludacrous.
If this isnt *^%%$%$*&*( your playerbase around, I dont know what is.
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Hythos
Sergeant
Reged: 05/09/10
Posts: 148
Loc: USA
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Phred]
#163863 - 02/09/12 11:54 AM (137.78.94.87)
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Something is wrong.....
I had just noticed - I had an empire at 206mil yesterday at this same time, with training set to Maximum ($625k) giving me a cash-flow of -$362,883/NevDay.... I have not spent anything else, and I'm currently at 195mil;
So,
$206mil-$195mil =$11mil
-$362k * 10 = $3.62mil
$3.62mil =/= $11mil 
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TGA
Sergeant
Reged: 01/17/05
Posts: 149
Loc: Michigan, USA
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Hythos]
#163877 - 02/10/12 03:39 AM (76.20.128.52)
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Level 5 with 29k bv
Select Training Rate Cost per NevDay
No Training $0
Minimum $21,550
Extremely Low $53,875
Very Low $107,750
Low Training $161,625
Normal Training $215,500
High Training $323,250
Very High $431,000
Extremely High $646,500
Elite Training $1,077,500
Maximum $2,155,000
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NeverSayNever
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 11/18/02
Posts: 1655
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: buc]
#163899 - 02/10/12 05:39 PM (92.228.1.248)
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Quote:
NSN, the problem is not people wanting MAX, but people unable to afford the lowest levels, since this is an additional cost over an above maint etc. IE, the emp Pimp posted, for the lowest level it is costing him an additional 5 mil per nev day.
Buc, please trust / believe me, some people really want the "Max" training setting - and nothing else, simply because this is a PvP focused game where 'winning' (at all costs, quite literally in this case) is all that really matters, so coming in 'second place' and or not using the "Max" training setting would almost equal 'losing', and that would not be acceptable, well, at least not to some of the most 'dedicated', uber elite players ...
Now for the: would cost Pimp "5 mil per nev day". So what? That would be like 50 mil NevCash per real day, which is pretty much nothing but 'peanuts' for the top gear, elite crowd, and let's face it: Pimp is not known for creating / maintaining some "your average little low budget raider next door" empires ...
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Phred
Sergeant
Reged: 01/20/12
Posts: 174
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163903 - 02/10/12 05:53 PM (161.184.189.112)
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NSN, are you SM? You "sure" "use" "quotes" a "lot" like "he" does.
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NeverSayNever
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 11/18/02
Posts: 1655
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Phred]
#163909 - 02/10/12 06:23 PM (92.228.1.248)
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Quote:
NSN, are you SM? You "sure" "use" "quotes" a "lot" like "he" does.
Funniest and or craziest speculation / 'accusation' I've ever heard on these forums, well, at least so far ...
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Toten
Sergeant
Reged: 03/18/08
Posts: 147
Loc: Australia
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163911 - 02/10/12 06:45 PM (118.208.155.180)
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ROFLMAO!
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Katrar
Major
Reged: 09/15/02
Posts: 1312
Loc: Seattle, WA USA, Terra
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#163918 - 02/10/12 08:30 PM (24.17.137.174)
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Quote:
Quote:
NSN, the problem is not people wanting MAX, but people unable to afford the lowest levels, since this is an additional cost over an above maint etc. IE, the emp Pimp posted, for the lowest level it is costing him an additional 5 mil per nev day.
Now for the: would cost Pimp "5 mil per nev day". So what? That would be like 50 mil NevCash per real day, which is pretty much nothing but 'peanuts' for the top gear, elite crowd, and let's face it: Pimp is not known for creating / maintaining some "your average little low budget raider next door" empires ...
If you actually had an empire, or actually looked at those stats you'd see that extra 50 million per real day is for minumum. Which is avg whay, probably 7.9 skill? lol
Very low to low generally bankrupts large empires. That's avg gun what, 6-7? So an emp no longer has any income to speak of, and its gunners are all becoming 6 gun retards.
Explain again why people have no business complaining?
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M_H
Newbie
Reged: 06/15/07
Posts: 8
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Katrar]
#163938 - 02/11/12 06:13 AM (173.200.0.81)
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Lvl 8
No Training $0
Minimum $253,900
Extremely Low $634,750
Very Low $1,269,500
Low Training $1,904,250
Normal Training $2,539,000
High Training $3,808,500
Very High $5,078,000
Extremely High $7,617,000
Elite Training $12,695,000
Maximum $25,390,000
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NeverSayNever
Lieutenant Colonel
Reged: 11/18/02
Posts: 1655
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Katrar]
#163950 - 02/11/12 06:30 PM (78.49.225.223)
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Quote:
If you actually had an empire, or actually looked at those stats you'd see that extra 50 million per real day is for minumum. Which is avg whay, probably 7.9 skill? lol
Please don't worry, I still have a few empires left but I stopped worrying about the rat race between the automated skill-ups code and the mediocre and or disappointing re-training results a long, long time ago already ...
And if "50 million per real day is for minumum" then there might be a few assault class Mechs too many to maintain / re-train already ...
Quote:
Very low to low generally bankrupts large empires. That's avg gun what, 6-7? So an emp no longer has any income to speak of, and its gunners are all becoming 6 gun retards.
ShadowMaster and or Randy might call this: "Very low to low generally bankrupts large empires [with way too many units and or way to much BV to maintain for their level]" - 'working as intended' ...
As far as I can tell from watching some of my old empires slowly rot at zero maintenance there is no need to be afraid of having all skill 6 units soon (like in over night, or within a week).
On the other hand I'm only looking at like 100 units max. (often less) left per empire slowly rotting away, so my sample size is much smaller and I usually get to see less than a dozen skill-ups (= unit skills getting worse) per day and empire.
Of course if you've got thousands of units per empire as a sample size you'll see many more skill-ups messages per day and empire ...
Quote:
Explain again why people have no business complaining?
Please relax, all people are free to complain as much as they want at these forums.
I don't mind if people do so and vent some steam, basically that's what forums are good for: venting and or complaining, and other things too, of course ...
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
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Hythos
Sergeant
Reged: 05/09/10
Posts: 148
Loc: USA
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Pimpslap]
#163951 - 02/11/12 06:39 PM (108.195.48.139)
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SO, I left my training at Maximum for 3 days; Within 6 checks of having reset it to Normal, several of my increases worsened, and my ONE 1-gunner (whom had just improved TO 1 on Thursday) worsened to 2.
Edit:
Quote:
Skill 1 [or better] will degrade to the next level after 1 NevYear
Bravo.
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dieaready
Corporal
Reged: 11/15/05
Posts: 74
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Re: Post your training cost
[Re: Hythos]
#163960 - 02/12/12 12:37 AM (218.186.8.11)
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I think what people are not happy about is that while they are supposed to take roughly a nev year to skill up, the skill up program is random, so it could be less than a nev year. If it was set to a fixed time though....
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