NeverSayNever
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mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
#165545 - 05/25/12 02:13 PM (92.228.143.197)
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recently revisited the Neveron updates page:
http://www.neveron.com/to_do.asp
and noticed that the old ---vote for Neveron at mpogd.com--- link is still there:
http://www.mpogd.com/games/game.asp?ID=598
taken from Neveron updates:
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Please VOTE for Neveron! Top rankings will earn your empire monthly incentives!!
I would like to know if the Neveron voting bonus is still available and what kind of "Top ranking[...]" at mpogd.com would earn me / us what kind of voting bonus (e.g. NevCash (empire level dependent?), or pirate "Treasure Points" (TPs), or ...?) in return?
current ranking for Neveron at mpogd.com:
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Game of the Month Poll
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6. Neveron 4.93%
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Anyone else interested in earning some bonus, be it NevCash (would only help to boost inflation = bad) or some pirate "Treasure points" (= no additional inflation to be feared, new - and old - empires could earn some TPs instead = c/should help to increase the level of competition and or production - particularly at lower tech levels, which c/should help new players to get started, which c/should help with revitalizing the marketplaces, including the minerals marketplace)?
Of course a better ranking at mpogd.com c/should help to attract a few more new players as well ...
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
Edited by ShadowMasterCM (10/23/12 08:40 PM)
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165549 - 05/25/12 07:47 PM (173.78.137.15)
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i couldnt with a clear mind....... vote for a game that is in shambles and dsnt work right sorry SM  l8rs DABOSS
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NeverSayNever
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: cbtgod]
#165555 - 05/26/12 04:04 AM (78.49.106.103)
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i couldnt with a clear mind....... vote for a game that is in shambles and dsnt work right sorry SM l8rs DABOSS
No problem, if you think Neveron does not deserve a / your vote you should not vote for Neveron.
On the other hand you / your empire(s) should not receive a mpogd.com related bonus (if any voting bonus (still) available) in return if you did not vote for Neveron, don't you agree?
Classic case of "quid pro quo", don't you agree?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo
short excerpt from wikipedia:
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Quid pro quo ("this for that" in Latin[1]) most often means a more-or-less equal exchange or substitution of goods or services. English speakers often use the term to mean "a favor for a favor" and the phrases with almost identical meaning include: "give and take", "tit for tat", "this for that", and "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours". Other meanings are given later in this article.
All it would take to make sure that only those people / IPs and associated empire(s) / account(s) who / which voted for Neveron receive a mpogd.com voting related bonus would be some kind of additional code (in game mpogd.com ---vote for Neveron--- button, accessible after account / empire log-in from within the browser) which helps to keep track who voted for Neveron - and or who did not.
Those who vote for Neveron should receive the bonus they helped to earn while those who decide to either not vote at all (abstain option / too lazy to vote / on vacation / inactive / whatever) or to vote for another game should not receive a bonus.
Sounds like a fair deal which only rewards _active_ accounts / empires which c/should be an incentive to log-in and or play (again), don't you agree?
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
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NeverSayNever
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165556 - 05/26/12 04:22 AM (78.49.106.103)
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In other words: please simply think about creating a mpogd.com related bonus food pellet dispenser button which rewards those who actively push their food pellet dispenser's button the right way (vote for Neveron) - and who do so daily ...
By the way, anyone seen my food pellet?
Have a nice day / night.
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cbtgod
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165557 - 05/26/12 05:23 AM (173.78.137.15)
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i had voted in the past when the game wasnt in such a bad state. and im prob one of the few very active players left. SM had promised us in the past some kind of reward for voting at your site. but it would seem this never happened. as with the bonus moral...and the bonus mech drawing. NSN people just get tired of being told one thing and nothing happens. l8rs DABOSS
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: cbtgod]
#165563 - 05/26/12 09:56 PM (24.19.129.178)
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yeah wasnt there going to be a moral boost and a drawing? Donating for that and buying that nylon prophylactic were money well spent...
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NeverSayNever
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: cbtgod]
#165568 - 05/27/12 06:55 AM (78.49.131.115)
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i had voted in the past when the game wasnt in such a bad state. and im prob one of the few very active players left. SM had promised us in the past some kind of reward for voting at your site. but it would seem this never happened. as with the bonus moral...and the bonus mech drawing. NSN people just get tired of being told one thing and nothing happens. l8rs DABOSS
Looks like you are talking / complaining about a different kind of bonus (Donation (pool / subscription?) related special bonus, I presume?) which you havn't received yet, correct?
I was talking about the mpogd voting related bonus which we might have not received in the past simply because we did not manage to meet the criteria ("Top ranking") required for the bonus.
At the moment Neveron is not ranked in the top 5 at mpogd.com, so no bonus to expect this month.
On the other hand if we managed to get into the mpogd.com top 5 this month then we could expect a bonus in return ...
Still no mpogd bonus, even if ranked properly (=Top 5)? - Time to rightfully complain about it ...
Have a nice day / night.
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Toscotto
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165569 - 05/27/12 10:00 AM (24.19.129.178)
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*** You are ignoring this user ***
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ShadowMasterCM
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Toscotto]
#165606 - 05/30/12 07:48 AM (24.103.210.226)
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There was a fundraiser June / July of 2011 - if the amount of $7500 was raised, there was to be 3 bonus items - 2X DP for all amounts donated, morale boosts based on your donation amounts, and a drawing for 100t prize(s)
The amounts raised ended up being around $7700 when the DP Pool from MArch and April was included if I recall correctly.
There was one player that had donated $2,000 but however had been talking a little to much 'trash' in Neveron and getting attacked / killed for his actions. He decided to file claims against his donations and had them refunded. Neveron not only refunded the initial $2,000 to the player but was then charged 4 $40 fees by PayPal in the process, resulting in a loss of $160 from this 'generous' player.
So when this is all factored in, the fundraiser resulted in only $5,500 total.
It was decided to award the bonus items anyhow. The DP was awarded several months later. The morale bonus was going to be completed during Code Fest in Feb 2012, however it turns out it can not be automated or easily processed, due to the number of conditions that where created around how it was to be awarded. What that means is that it needs to be manually calcualted and then manually processed to each individual login.
Obviously any time intensive item is going to get delayed as other items take higher priority. With only one Admin trying to work on everything, as well as get training on a dozen different major systems required to work on Neveron, time is the most valuable asset at the moment, and the least available!
With all that being said, the Fund Raiser bonus has NOT been forgotten, and it will be processed eventually.
As for the 'voting' bonus programs...they where discontinued by previous Admins sometime in 2006 or 2007. I have stated it would be nice to get some items like that working again. I would even like to hear any suggestions about OTHER sites that we could set up voting links to and promote the game even further. Exactly the best method of coding any of these voting links as well as bonus items attached to them needs to be looked at closer. I dont want to create any additional 'manual' processed tasks, and need automated award systems that are not easily abused by the players that would try to do so.
Once we get things running smoother on the server side of things, Neveron will be running promos and incentives on a regular basis. However until we have things functioning properly, and sort out the required code to actually run these promos, there is no point spending a lot of energy going and looking for new players, to start a game having issues at the most basic levels.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165610 - 05/30/12 03:46 PM (78.51.144.88)
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So, for short: "No voting related, admin sponsored bonus for the foreseeable future.", even if we meet the criteria (top 5 (or top 10?) ranking for Neveron at mpogd.com), correct?
Suggestion to help minimize abuse / misuse of voting related bonuses? - Create an empire specific database which keeps track of voting behavior / results, which caps gaining voting related rewards at max once per empire-ID / user IP, day, voting site, etc. - and automate voting related bonus payouts per click / vote (= small - and instant - rewards / gratifications, rewards only accounts which have been active / logged in within the last 24 hours, requires logging only one day of empire specific voting history (resets every 24 hours) = only a very small database (or database attachment) needed which should not require any significant amount of additional harddrive storage space).
Just some food for thought ...
Have a nice day / night.
Edited by NeverSayNever (05/30/12 03:54 PM)
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Toscotto
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: NeverSayNever]
#165619 - 05/30/12 07:05 PM (24.19.129.178)
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SM - silly me i was actually looking forward to getting those bonuses in less than a year after giving money to the Cause. I guess technically there was never a timeline for getting to the donation drive bonuses - so shame on me for thinking that it was a high priority to get the bonus done.
I guess that i just hope that the person and people that now own my login that i donated enjoy the bonuses that i bought for them - that is if they ever get it -
sorry for the negative post/reply - but damn. i just wish you would put stuff like your response in the news page or updates wherever they go now, or have been upfront with waiting so dern long even with the drawing -
oh yeah - the moral woul have given us a ton of money - ever think of making the calculation and just gifting a bulk amount?
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Toscotto]
#165620 - 05/31/12 12:40 AM (24.17.137.174)
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Honestly, things like this are perfect examples of what's wrong. It's not like a crap ton of people donated. I can understand not having the time to do it on a particular day or week. But a year, and SM just right out states the facts as if there's nothing wrong with them. Sigh. =/ You all aren't going to be getting your morale bonus for one reason: SM doesn't feel like spending the time to do it. Nor does he feel like proposing an easier alternative, in order to fulfill his half of the bargain that is, again, a year old.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Katrar]
#165629 - 05/31/12 01:12 PM (173.78.122.11)
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Give us DP instead...That's easy enough
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slaine202
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165635 - 05/31/12 02:21 PM (90.200.65.164)
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Obviously any time intensive item is going to get delayed as other items take higher priority.
If keeping to your word isnt your highest priority then you need to seriously re-assess yourself.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
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#165636 - 05/31/12 03:44 PM (98.18.117.63)
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I would think anything donation related would take highest priority. Especially if it was promised.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Aunduril]
#165644 - 05/31/12 06:25 PM (219.89.56.108)
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I agree that it should be a priority. I personally didn't donate in this, and am often seen to be SM bashing (prob by SM himself), however...
If SM can get me the figures of donations (don't need the actual logins of course), I'm happy to calculate the extra DP that should be paid out. Also, if you give me the details of the prize(s) you want to give out, I'm happy to organise an 'event' or something to do so.
These are 2 issues that I beleve go beyond a reasonable time frame, and in all honesty, there is no excuse that is good enough. Get these 2 things sorted and finished, so we can complain about something else.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available? *DELETED*
[Re: buc]
#165661 - 06/01/12 06:45 AM (72.43.148.83)
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Post deleted by ShadowMasterCM
I was working on a post, and my computer had a spazim and apparently posted the incomplete reply...
I'll post the finished post below
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165662 - 06/01/12 06:56 AM (118.208.127.181)
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I'm confused.
buc has volunteered and I'll do the same. You don't need SQL. All calculations can be done in excel. No big deal. It's not complicated.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Toten]
#165667 - 06/01/12 07:50 AM (72.43.148.83)
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The initial DP was awarded at the time of the donations. The bonus Dp was also already awarded, if I recall correctly it was some time in the fall. The items that remain are the 'morale' bonus and the '100t drawing'.
The morale bonus had several stipulations to it, as explained in the update announcing the fund raiser. Those multiple stipulations are what prevent a few SQL queries from 'just doing it'. At the time I didn't understand how complex I had made things. This is one of those things I had to learn the hard way. I have explained its a complicated process on multi occassions in multi places.
As for the comments about me 'keeping my word' and 'doing what I promised'...I have stated multiple times, all bonus items WILL be awarded to the players logins that are entitled to them. It was not my intention to take months, let alone a year to actually award them. It was of course a priorty item, but I lacked the skills to gather the information needed to perform the calculations initially, and was trying to avoid massive task of having to do the computations manually. I assumed there was a way to automate the process, or at least most of it, with those multiple SQL queries. I was wrong, and so things got delayed further. I had Randy look at the entire thing when he was here in February 2012, and he said there was no way to automate it, for the reasons explained above. Bottom line is that it needs to all be done manually.
The other bonus item that has not yet been awarded is the 100t 'drawing'. I have also stated repeatedly, that due to the extensive delays in awarding these bonus items, that ALL players who donated will be guaranteed a prize from the drawing. Initially it was going to be a limited number of 100t prizes, probably based on the nunber of actual logins that donated. I don't have all the details sorted out yet, but there will be a variety of drawing prizes, with the highest one being the 100t item. So everyone still has a chance at winning a 100t prize, but now everyone is guaranteed a prize from the drawing bonus item, simply because it has taken so long to actually award the bonus items.
As for the general comments about making donation related items a priority and all that. Donations are a priority item. The trouble is so are several other items. Environmental and physical factors, for example maintaining things like hardware, ISP, cooling, power, etc...are also top priorities. Identifing issues and correcting them with the multitude of programs that Neveron consists of, as well as the multiple processes that actually run them are also priority items. For example, a top priority right now is working on fixing the War related functions. The new 'mystery' lag is also a priority item. Bonus items at best will rank 3rd on that list, even tho its a donation item.
These are but a few of the 'other' things that neeed to be juggled from day to day. Now factor in that Neveron is a part time venture, that I volunteer my time for...that means there are only so many hours in a week that can be dedicated to Neveron.
So when you have 15 hours worth of priority items, and only 10 hours to deal with them...something needs to be pushed down the priority list. Often in order to do one thing, many hours researching or preparing for that item are needed, consuming precious limited time.
Katrar: As usual you dont have a clue about what your ranting about. You have no idea how many players donated and how many logins that involved. So of course you have no basis to determine how difficult this task may or may not be.
Gunner: I will not be offering DP in place of the morale for this event. In the future, I have already decided to keep the fund raisers simplified, which may mean offering things like DP only. There is a ton of DP sitting in game currently, and if we give away DP like candy, I feel it will further devalue DP as a whole. That was one of my incentives for trying to offer something besides DP for the fund raiser.
buc`: Thanks for the offer to help sort this out. There have been times recently where you did come across as not trying to help or support Neveron, so this is of course a change welcome by me. As for actually helping, I don't think the donation side of things is the best place to let any player get involved. Many players consider their donation traits private matters. Additionally, the information that is needed to actually determine all these morale bonus are located in the databases, which of course player can not have access to as well.
I will however likely need some help the day of the 100t drawings, so if your interested in helping me with that, Im sure I could use a hand then keep track of everything. As that event draws closer, I'll get in contact with you. The drawing will NOT be held until I get the moral bonus sorted out.
Toten: The computation itself is not the issue. The computations can be done with a simple calculator. Gathering all the values from the proper empires in order to do the computations are the issue. There are several steps involved to gather the data, and then it needs to have the multiple tiers of terms applied to them. Then all those results need to be inserted into a variety of database tables. Thanks to you as well for the offer to help with this process, but its not something that players can actually assist with.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165672 - 06/01/12 08:56 AM (24.17.137.174)
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@SM
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Katrar: As usual you dont have a clue about what your ranting about. You have no idea how many players donated and how many logins that involved. So of course you have no basis to determine how difficult this task may or may not be.
Whatever dude. You burned any credibility you had a long time ago. You can toss up all the long winded defenses you'd like, we all know the score with you.
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Toten
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165673 - 06/01/12 09:29 AM (118.208.127.181)
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Toten: The computation itself is not the issue. The computations can be done with a simple calculator. Gathering all the values from the proper empires in order to do the computations are the issue. There are several steps involved to gather the data, and then it needs to have the multiple tiers of terms applied to them. Then all those results need to be inserted into a variety of database tables. Thanks to you as well for the offer to help with this process, but its not something that players can actually assist with.
SM, it aint that hard. Excel is a simple calculator with VBA. Your choice, no drama.
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: ShadowMasterCM]
#165674 - 06/01/12 09:31 AM (118.208.127.181)
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Katrar: As usual you dont have a clue about what your ranting about
Wrong!
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Toten]
#165675 - 06/01/12 09:38 AM (24.17.137.174)
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He knows he's wrong, but if we've learned one thing about SM over the past half a year it is that he is incapable of admitting his mistakes or learning from them.
All of these threads and posts are, in fact, opportunities to change and grow that SM refuses to take. Yet further evidence that Neveron has no real prospects under his ownership.
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slaine202
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Re: mpogd.com voting bonus still available?
[Re: Katrar]
#165679 - 06/01/12 03:47 PM (90.200.65.164)
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SM
Do you still not get it?
Nobody gives a flying f*** about your game anymore, not the hardware, nor the processes, nor really whether its even still running.
We care that you said one thing and did another, over and over ... and you continue to do so.
Just take a deep breath and start again ... even if that means posting on the front page 'Sorry guys, no more bonuses will be paid'
Promise ONLY what you know you can actually deliver (not much of anything at this point), and then damn well f****** deliver it! On time!
Let bygones be bygones with the 'bitter old vets' and withdraw from the arguments about whether Codefest was a failure or not.
Work hard to give us some tiny reason to care once more whether Neveron is here tomorrow or not.
You know what, if you came here and posted - Guys, I f***** up. Sorry!
And then never posted here again or went to chat or fixed a bug ticket and just switched the servers back on when they crashed (ie do a Wayward Son) you'd earn 10 times as much in donations and we'd all be 10 times less pissed of than we are now.
It wouldnt bring our beloved game back to where we want it to be, but noone seriously believes that will ever happen anyway.
Oh well, sorry for the rant, just needed to get it off my chest I spose.
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