Orthus
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Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
#99447 - 11/05/04 08:28 PM (220.244.224.8)
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Empire A sends 12,500,000 to empire B.
Empire B is near market Cap for transfers and doesn't receive the total amount.
It is Empire B's responsibility to manage market caps (but has less control over who sends them foreign aid ammounts). Empire A may have no idea of the market status of empire B.
Empire A should have the excess amount of the transfer that exceeds Empire B's Max Transfers returned to it... rather than it going into the waste disposal system.
Transfer ammount - (empire B max cap - Current transfers) = Return to sender
This would of course obviate the need to check the empire level/transfer limits of the Empire your transfering too, to ensure your not deliberately sending money down the toilet (and make it easier for a faction leader to transfer $).
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Kit_fox
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Orthus]
#99456 - 11/05/04 11:42 PM (172.145.15.213)
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No, this should not be.
Rather Randy should add in the ability for an empire to approve or refuse money transfers. Give him a 30 nev day waiting period, after which it is automatically denied. In the mean time the funds would be held in limbo some place. Remember this feature Randy?
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Markon
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Kit_fox]
#99458 - 11/06/04 03:19 AM (144.138.21.63)
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I think Kit_Fox's feature would be best.
Maybe a simple aid to people would be a table on the Foreign Aid page showing transfer limits and a brief description of how to check on the history page to see if you have exceeded limits. Just make it a bit more friendly for newbies.
Those of us who have played for a while can navigate through the pages but new players need more help if we want to keep them playing Nev 
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mattbuck
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Markon]
#99459 - 11/06/04 03:27 AM (128.243.220.41)
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I agree with Kit. We brainstormed Orthus' suggestion when caps were introduced, and decided t was too open to abuse.
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Orthus
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: mattbuck]
#99463 - 11/06/04 05:00 AM (220.244.224.8)
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Sorry.. i think i should clarify my suggestion; as it seems you have gone astray from what i attempted to communicate.
Examples
An Empire transfers 100,000,000 to a level 5 (accidentally introducing an extra 0 in there).. Bang market cap on level 5 chops of 75 million (or more) and it goes into the deep blue sea.
An Empire looks at market cap for a level 4 (sees that it is 12,500,000 and sends that ammount). The receiving empire previously made a market sale and gained $4mil ... ergo roughly $4 million from the transfering empire gets dumped into the sea.... This is not the fault of the receiving empire as they might not know when an empire is going to transfer funds. This is not the fault of the transfering empire as they have no access to the market cap information of the receiving empire.
All i'm suggesting; Is excess funds that would normally be lost (to both empires) .. be placed back to the original sending empire.
edit:
I however would like to add that Kit_Fox's suggestion is a good one, but that it involves creating a management page for the receiving empire to juggle transfers. My thought was just to "automatically" return funds that cannot be used/accepted (simpler coding required).
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Edited by Orthus (11/06/04 06:24 AM)
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MorsDraconis
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Orthus]
#99467 - 11/06/04 06:54 AM (168.192.25.227)
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Sorry, ORthus, I can still think of ways to abuse that, and I understood the original suggestion.
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Orthus
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: MorsDraconis]
#99469 - 11/06/04 07:29 AM (220.244.224.8)
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Lol.. ok ..
when the market 'max' cannot be exceeded at any stage by the receiving empire (for either suggestion; kit_fox's or mine the max cap remains the same as it is now) . ...I would be interested to know how it could be abused when no one benifits (except the sending empire who gets his money back rather than see it flushed (if they notice at all since they are not informed when their money cannot be sent to the empire and is instead silently 'dumped')).
Message system:
Your Empire has transfered 25000000 to empire B, Have a nice day.
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Your Empire has transfered 25000000 to empire B, However not all of it was received.
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Neveron Foreign Exchange and transfers department; Your personnal banker,
Hello once again, it is good to see you. Recently you transfered a large sum of money to another Empire (empire name included). Unfortunately due to a typographical error some of the money could not be distributed to the recieving empire; and has, instead, been syphoned off into my personal accounts here in the gamma-epsilon quadrant. I'm fine and having a jim dandy holiday. The new space sloop is a real go-er too. Your new Personal Banker will probably get in touch with you shortly incase you make another similar error in future (and they can cash in on the scam as well).
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Old Arab Proverb: Better a thousand enemies outside your house than one inside.
My Twist: Better a thousand enemies outside someone else's house than one inside yours.
Edited by Orthus (11/06/04 08:12 AM)
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Kanil
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Orthus]
#99473 - 11/06/04 01:29 PM (69.171.196.178)
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The way you suggest it, you would have to remove the part where 10% of whats over the cap actually gets sent, as an empire could send say a billion to a much smaller empire. Its cap is reached, 10% of what wasn't made is sent. and 90% gets sent back to the main empire. Rinse, repeat, and slowly send ungodly amounts of money to a smaller empire with no loss.
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Orthus
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Posts: 58
Loc: Australia
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Kanil]
#99476 - 11/06/04 03:02 PM (220.244.224.8)
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Ah.. thank you for the clarification and pointing out of a small hole.
From the help guides:
"Penalties for exceeding the limit cap are 50% of the normal aid. If you exceed that limit by 50% or more foreign aid will only deliver 10% of what was sent."
So there is an expensive way to send money to an empire.
However, of course, Empire B would recieve no money and no advantage if they were above the Max cap in my method if this penalty was closed completely (there would be no point in sending or resending vast ammounts of $ ... no extra would get through at all and no money would be lost (or abused).
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My Twist: Better a thousand enemies outside someone else's house than one inside yours.
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Toontje
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Posts: 2578
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Re: Foreign Aid (return of funds) ...Suggestion
[Re: Orthus]
#99477 - 11/06/04 03:58 PM (84.24.165.226)
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Money loss is good. See, there are a lot of rolling presses out there pumping cash into neveron, disguised as small bussiness owners (AKA commercial buildings)
10% of NASI tax on sales is only skimming the worst, the 50 to 90% income tax is a good way to get excess cash out of the economy stopping extreme inflation.
Aside, with the ongoing playerisation of the 'mech market, one large reliefs on inflation is ceasing to be.
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