Category talk:Dark Age Mechs

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What exactly is a "Dark Age Mech"? I notice that there are several designs here that are not exactly limited to the Dark Age era. e.g. Osiris is a FedCom Civil War era 'Mech to me. --Dmon 14:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

My impression it was to single out 'Mech designs that were created by WizKids in 3100s. Since back then, CBT universe was stuck in year 3067. However, as things progressed in Dark Age's time line. Older designs started poping up. People added these Dark Age category to any design that had appeared there. I think this maybe now becoming out date. It should be designs either originated or used in that time period. Too many of them, were created during the Jihad. I think now it acts as quick reference designs used in Dark Ages. -- Wrangler 14:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
And it is awkwardly named, too. The naming convention has categories for specific categories (i.e., Lyran BattleMechs), but this seems to be hitting Dark Age Equipment, such as BattleMechs and IndustrialMechs. I /see/ value in having a category that is era specific, but ...I don't know. Solutions? --Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
It maybe time to specify what qualifies as a "Dark Age 'Mech". Since anything seen in Dark Age (including Project Phoenix designs) get lumped into this. I'm not sure what would be best approach. Since alot of "Dark Age" designs first appeared during the Jihad. Just like alot of Succession War classics designs some originated in Star League era. I think its best to say, any new designed first APPEARED in time persiod after the Jihad, is a Dark Age 'Mech. Legionnarie is left over Jihad Era 'Mech, Not dark Age. Jackalope IS a Dark Age era 'Mech since it appeared after the Jihad in Dark Age itself. (Period between Jihad to 3132 has been labeled by authors as "Dark Age" until further notice. Don't know where post herb put which says it.) We could just say anything that was made by WizKids when they ran, that appeared in their TROs is qualifies as Dark Age, anything that appeared in the novels, or Wizkids' related online stories/INN/LinkNet stuff. Also any older designs, which has NEW variants that appear for first time in Dark Age, could qualify as a Dark Age Variant -- Wrangler 16:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I would go with the units that first appear in the Dark Age and leave the Dark Age Variants out as they are as you said variants rather than Dark Age 'Mechs. --Dmon 17:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


Long term, wouldn't it be neat to have tags that actually allowed searching by timeline? Say, if I wanted to see which mechs the lyrans produce around 3100 (which is exactly what I wanted to do today), then such time categories would be really helpful. Outright deleting them would be sad. Now, I suppose the wiki tag system isn't ideal for that, but going to another page for that certainly isn't an increase in comfort. --UnLimiTeD (talk) 13:05, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

All honesty, this is BattleTech, anything is pretty much available forever after the initial introduction date. I personally think this category should be retired now we are a decade on and the DA 'Mechs have all been folded into the main timeline.--Dmon (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
Sarna shouldn't attempt to out-MUL the MUL. I wasn't aware of this category before and agree that it is meaningless at this time (and should thus be replaced or completely eliminated, imho). But then I feel the same about faction categories like Lyran 'Mechs, too. But maybe that's just me. Frabby (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
Trying to get questions answered like which {Mech/vehicle/WarShip} was {In service with/manufactured by} {one or more Factions} isn't a wiki thing - it's a database query. The only way a Wiki could answer it is by manually adding in categories to anticipate each of the possible search criteria in any combination, which I can't see being feasible any time soon. The MUL tracks faction availability, but not manufacturing, and manufacturing locations is one of the things that TPTB have become increasingly reluctant to detail, leaving us with the response to the question of "were the Lyrans manufacturing this 'Mech in 3100?" as either "Yes - because it's specifically mentioned in a sourcebook", "Maybe - because it's been mentioned somewhere that they were manufacturing it, but not when", "Maybe - because the MUL says it was available during the time-range known as the Dark Age", "Maybe - because the writers want it to be at some future point" and "No, because it's been specifically mentioned in a sourcebook that a faction's ability to manufacture this particular 'Mech ended at a certain point." Most things are now in a state of flux, intentionally, so that writers can use them if they want to without feeling overly constrained. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:28, 3 June 2018 (EDT)