Talk:Centurion (BattleMech)

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Kai and Danai[edit]

Since Danai is Sun-Tzu Liao's grand-daughter, shouldn't that make her Kai's grand-niece and not his cousin? Unless he really did leave it to one of his cousins and the name here is wrong. Just thought I'd check before editing. Haruspex 07:13, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Technically, there is no such thing as a "grand-niece." While its usage is common in normal parlance, they would actually be something like third cousins, maybe something twice removed. --Scaletail 07:30, 18 February 2008 (CST)
Something is wrong here. Kai died in 3113 while Danai was reportedly born in 3108, i.e. she was only five years old when Kai died. Also, I too disagree with calling them "cousins". Since this is all irrelevant for this article, I have rewritten the parts in question to leave out these details altogether. Frabby 07:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Kai's relation to Danai - Kai and Sun-Tzu were first cousins. Danai was THOUGHT to be Sun-Tzu's daughter, making her his first cousin, once removed. In reality, she was his first cousin, twice removed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin ClanWolverine101 21:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

CN10-B[edit]

What is the source for this variant? It does not appear in MechWarrior Dark Age I or Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrade, which is supposed to be the compilation of all upgraded variants. It is certainly conceivable that one 'Mech variant was left out, so I have not yet removed it from the article. --Scaletail 12:26, 5 April 2008 (CDT)

The source for that 'Mech is Record Sheets: 3060CJ 00:35, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
I see -- not a source I have. I should have checked Combat Operations, as it's also in the list of 'Mechs in there. --Scaletail 09:52, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

55 tons Centurion[edit]

In MechCommander, another version of the Centurion appears : it uses a new 55 tons chassis, and add a PPC to its weaponry. Is there any source for this version ? It is said, in MechCommander manual, to be produced by Corean Entreprises for the Federated Commonwealth, adding a PPC or 2 Medium Lasers. --FIVE-one 13:53, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

Only the videogame. --Scaletail 18:06, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
Definitely warrants a notion as an apocryphal variant imho. I don't have the game or its manual though. Frabby 07:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
The CN10-B is built on the 55 ton chassis but has a different load out to the three in the game --Dmon 19:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I have the game. I'm not sure it even bears mentioning, giving how apocryphal that game is. ClanWolverine101 21:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Wolverine101. I'm a proud owner of this certain piece of entertainment-technology myself and I'd say: Don't mention it here, its far off the boardgame rules. RagTag 10:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
And I disagree, since I don't have it and without somebody else to put that information online (with the appropriate canonicity warning), I'll never know... :) Frabby 11:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
As Frabby says; it doesn't hurt to mention it and is informative for others. It may be trivial, but it is BattleTech. I sure wouldn't want to give it its own article, so putting it here provides the acceptable representation.)--Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
According to Policy:Notability, it bears mentioning and should not be removed. --Scaletail 21:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Yen-Lo-Wang....[edit]

Is not a Pilot. It is incredibly bad-ass, but it doesn't pilot itself. I mean, it would be cool if it did, but this is not "Neon Genesis Evangelion"... huh.
So. Do I change this? ClanWolverine101 16:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a variant. It'd go under Variants (And there's been more then one). You'd list Kai under pilot, pointing to the Yen Lo Wang variant. --Istal devalis 17:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Kai, Justin, and the incest-spawn from the Dark Ages. Yes. On my todo list. ClanWolverine101 17:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
It's not a variant, it's a unique 'Mech. I put in under "Famous MechWarriors" as a summation of the three famous MechWarriors who piloted it. --Scaletail 19:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
A unique variant is still a variant. It uses the CN9 designation, the record sheets still list it with the other Centurions, and all the DA versions still call it a Centurion. Ergo, it's a Centurion and 'Yen-Lo-Wang' should go under Variants. As is, the thing already has its own Wiki entry, so do we really need to duplicate an entire paragraph for the silly thing? --Istal devalis 19:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I will point out, for the record, the YLW has its own page. Having said that... yes, it is ultimately a modified Centurion. The weapons are totally different and other equipment may have been changed, but its still the same chasis. Ergot, on THIS page, I argue it should be called a variant. On its own page, it should be called a unique mech. That's my thinking. ClanWolverine101 21:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Because I couldn't describe the changes I wanted to make, I went ahead and did it. Forgiveness is easier than permission, ne? This brings it in line with other unique variants on other 'Mech articles. Opinions? --Scaletail 23:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Yay. :P ClanWolverine101 23:58, 7 April 2010 (UTC) (No, it looks good)
Where does it say there is only one CN9-YLW Centurion? I find it hard to believe such a famous and successful variant wouldn't be copied, much less on Solaris where customization is the order of the day. The fact alone that there is an official record sheet for one CN9-YLW variant seems to suggest that it became a frequent modification (probably restricted to the arenas though). I like Scaletail's approach and have adopted it myself. Frabby 07:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
IMHO - YLW holds a special place in Battletech Lore. As such, it deserves its own "unique" category. Given that its been refitted at least three times to special variants, there is no single YLW variation. Certainly, perhaps, its been copied on Solaris, but let's face it : The configuration meant less than those who piloted it. ClanWolverine101 15:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I think you're mixing up two different things here: Yen-Lo-Wang is a famous individual BattleMech, and owing to its fame it does have its own article on BTW as you pointed out. But "CN9-YLW" has been established via Record Sheet to be a specific 'Mech configuration (that the original Yen-Lo-Wang didn't even resemble anymore after 3050); circumstantial evidence suggests that the CN9-YLW was never a line model but probably a popular refit after Allard's successes, and there may be any number of other CN9-YLW running around on the arena planets. I do think that my recent edit, in conjunction with the article covering Yen-Lo-Wang specifically, covers this adequately. Frabby 16:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. A listed variant based on YLW... etc. etc. Got it. Mostly, I just wanted the pilots listed properly. ClanWolverine101 17:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
TRO:3039, p. 132: "Justin Xiang Allard won the Grand Championship in... his unique CN9-YLW" (my emphasis). As for Danai, Principles of Desolation, p. 51, "[Yen-lo-wang] was a gift, a gift bequeathed to her by a legend who had believed in her potential when she was barely more than a toddler." So, yes, there is only one Yen-lo-wang and Kai Allard-Liao left it to Danai Liao-Centrella. --Scaletail 23:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
*Nods* Fair. ClanWolverine101 00:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Got what passes for a clear answer from TPTB on the CBT Forum: There is no CN9-YLW variant. Updating the article accordingly. Frabby 19:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)